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Wow... and what happened to those people? They killed themselves just by someone telling them to... that is SO not us... there is no suicide involved for us, but you wish to put us in the same context as those people?
Why? There has NEVER been a mention of us commiting suicide now has there? Yet you are trying to group us with them?
We arent going to commit suicide...
Tho I know some people wish we would... we arent going anywhere...

Peace
 Quoting: Earth420

Cults don't have to preach suicide to be considered one. There are many cults that don't. Here's the definition of a cult:

–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

In my opinion, ZetaTalk, Nancy and her followers, closely resemble items 2, 3, 4, 6 and to lesser degrees 5 and 8.
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If he did say that then that was his own accord, and yes, thankfully he has not done it, and has thought better on it, but it doesnt mean he is a suicidal nutjob... IMO I guess...

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No, I don't think it makes him suicidal...at the moment at least, because he no longer makes such statements.
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Why would I spend 30 grand on building a bunker and killing myself??
 Quoting: Free Store

Do you really want one of us to dig up your statements? You clearly said if "Planet X" didn't show up by September you would commit suicide right here on GLP. Those comments were made in July/August 2007. It will take some time, but I can dig them up if you really want to deny it.

The nutjob Debunkers don't know how I operate, If I say jump they will jump I guess
 Quoting: Free Store

How are we nutjobs, Free Store? So far, "debunkers" are 100% accurate about "Planet X." And unless you have concrete and verifiable evidence to show otherwise, "debunkers" will continue to be 100% accurate.

And, no, I wouldn't do anything you told me to do. In fact, it's you that does that. Whatever Nancy tells you to do, you do it.

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If he did say that then that was his own accord, and yes, thankfully he has not done it, and has thought better on it, but it doesnt mean he is a suicidal nutjob... IMO I guess...

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No, I don't think it makes him suicidal...at the moment at least, because he no longer makes such statements.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

It was said in response to another Debunker. I did not blurt it out for no reason but responded to the question of How serious am I Planet X exists and I said I would kill myself if it hasn't shown up a year latter,.Knowing that it showed up several years before I made the statement.

It is how I can ultimately show how much of a believer I am. Well surprise suprise, all signs indicate it is here in it's full powerful glory causing the Earth to tremble and the weather to act erratically

You know the routine. So here I am safe knowing that the Debunkers [ I have never mentioned this before but it went through my mind the day I said I would kill myself,] that it is the Debunkers who would be killing themselves instead

I'm not worried anyways about the Debunkers...it will all come out of the wash clean

Also it was used as a tool against me for so long so I had to go to the RCMP and tell them if I go missing start with the Debunker posts

Anyone who is a paid Agent you can never be too sure what to expect.That is that unless you want to talk more about it

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Wow... and what happened to those people? They killed themselves just by someone telling them to... that is SO not us... there is no suicide involved for us, but you wish to put us in the same context as those people?
Why? There has NEVER been a mention of us commiting suicide now has there? Yet you are trying to group us with them?
We arent going to commit suicide...
Tho I know some people wish we would... we arent going anywhere...

Peace

Cults don't have to preach suicide to be considered one. There are many cults that don't. Here's the definition of a cult:

–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

In my opinion, ZetaTalk, Nancy and her followers, closely resemble items 2, 3, 4, 6 and to lesser degrees 5 and 8.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Oh CB! That could apply to many things, I guess you would start calling gangs, cults? lol!
I have to go do some things... *sigh* And yes, CB, you know many of us believers are very different in our personas, I think it to be that way for a reason... And I think you know me as more for my personality and that I am a person STILL, so I respect you in that respect... But in the end I still represent what I do and tho many may not understand how someone like myself can be apart of this, I still am...

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ZetaTalk is NOT a cult!!!

I'm sure the people of Jonestown and Heaven's Gate said the same thing. Those IN the cult are the first to deny it.


Wow... and what happened to those people? They killed themselves just by someone telling them to... that is SO not us... there is no suicide involved for us, but you wish to put us in the same context as those people?
Why? There has NEVER been a mention of us commiting suicide now has there? Yet you are trying to group us with them?
We arent going to commit suicide...
Tho I know some people wish we would... we arent going anywhere...

Peace
 Quoting: Earth420

People in Jonestown or Heavens Gate didn't kill themselves - they were killed/murdered. They thought, following the words of their cult leader, that there was no other solution - they believed that what was being done to them was the right thing. They were so brainwashed they thought they would be saved by dying. Most people in Jonestown were brutally murdered, they were threatened with guns and there was no escape. There were lots of children too, brutally murdered. Some people were not there when Jim Jones got totally crazy and so they survived. Some of those people really woke up after the massacre and admitted they had been involved in a cult.
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ZetaTalk is NOT a cult!!!

I'm sure the people of Jonestown and Heaven's Gate said the same thing. Those IN the cult are the first to deny it.


Wow... and what happened to those people? They killed themselves just by someone telling them to... that is SO not us... there is no suicide involved for us, but you wish to put us in the same context as those people?
Why? There has NEVER been a mention of us commiting suicide now has there? Yet you are trying to group us with them?
We arent going to commit suicide...
Tho I know some people wish we would... we arent going anywhere...

Peace
 Quoting: Earth420


The Us vs Them tone of your comment tells differently. Nancy may not have called for suicide but she did tell people they should get themselves fixed and kill their pets. Fortunately she has few followers, and hopefully none of them are gullible enough to actually do it. I've worked with ex cult members and the above comment is very consistent with classic cult member justification of the cult.
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ZetaTalk is NOT a cult!!!

I'm sure the people of Jonestown and Heaven's Gate said the same thing. Those IN the cult are the first to deny it.


Wow... and what happened to those people? They killed themselves just by someone telling them to... that is SO not us... there is no suicide involved for us, but you wish to put us in the same context as those people?
Why? There has NEVER been a mention of us commiting suicide now has there? Yet you are trying to group us with them?
We arent going to commit suicide...
Tho I know some people wish we would... we arent going anywhere...

Peace


The Us vs Them tone of your comment tells differently. Nancy may not have called for suicide but she did tell people they should get themselves fixed and kill their pets. Fortunately she has few followers, and hopefully none of them are gullible enough to actually do it. I've worked with ex cult members and the above comment is very consistent with classic cult member justification of the cult.
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What cult did you work for, mind me asking?
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It is how I can ultimately show how much of a believer I am. Well surprise suprise, all signs indicate it is here in it's full powerful glory causing the Earth to tremble and the weather to act erratically
 Quoting: Free Store

None of those things indicate it's here at all. Earthquakes have always happened. Today's weather extremes, if there really are any, can be caused by any number of things. And global warming caused by pollution makes a hell of a lot more sense than a "rogue planet" that can't be seen being the cause.

You know the routine. So here I am safe knowing that the Debunkers [ I have never mentioned this before but it went through my mind the day I said I would kill myself,] that it is the Debunkers who would be killing themselves instead
 Quoting: Free Store

You can think that...but it isn't true. "Debunkers" will be here for a long time because "Planet X" isn't going to show up.

I'm not worried anyways about the Debunkers...it will all come out of the wash clean
 Quoting: Free Store

Nor should you be. What you should be worried about his how much time you've wasted following Nancy only to be lied to time and time again. How many times has she had to change her claims about when the "pole shift" would happen? Numerous times...and she's about to change it again because 2012 is approaching and there's still no sign of "Planet X."

Also it was used as a tool against me for so long so I had to go to the RCMP and tell them if I go missing start with the Debunker posts
 Quoting: Free Store

It was not used as a tool against you and you did not go to the RCMP. If you did, they certainly didn't take you seriously and no threats were ever made towards you by any "debunker." You were the ones making the threats to harm yourself. Why do you keep lying about this?

Anyone who is a paid Agent you can never be too sure what to expect.That is that unless you want to talk more about it
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I guess you would know. After all, you're the one being paid.
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What cult did you work for, mind me asking?
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Did I say I worked for a cult? No. I have had occasion to work with people that once belonged to cult movements. That's what I said. My own cousin got caught up with the Moonies. Another friend left everything to follow some fake guru. You can't talk sense to a person once the cult has their tentacles wrapped around their brain. Free Store is a perfect example of how a cult can drain a person of every ounce of free thinking and common sense.
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Oh CB! That could apply to many things, I guess you would start calling gangs, cults? lol!
I have to go do some things... *sigh* And yes, CB, you know many of us believers are very different in our personas, I think it to be that way for a reason... And I think you know me as more for my personality and that I am a person STILL, so I respect you in that respect... But in the end I still represent what I do and tho many may not understand how someone like myself can be apart of this, I still am...

Peace
 Quoting: Earth420

Mmmmm, not exactly.
Gang
–noun
1. a group or band: A gang of boys gathered around the winning pitcher.
2. a group of youngsters or adolescents who associate closely, often exclusively, for social reasons, esp. such a group engaging in delinquent behavior.
3. a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons: I'm throwing a party for the gang I bowl with.
4. a group of persons working together; squad; shift: a gang of laborers.
5. a group of persons associated for some criminal or other antisocial purpose: a gang of thieves.
6. a set of tools, electronic components or circuits, oars, etc., arranged to work together or simultaneously.
7. a group of identical or related items.
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Your denial is a habitual habit..

I want to hear what that Debunkers answer of helping cult members

Maybe the Debunkers can use Him...Where did he go?

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What cult did you work for, mind me asking?

Did I say I worked for a cult? No. I have had occasion to work with people that once belonged to cult movements. That's what I said. My own cousin got caught up with the Moonies. Another friend left everything to follow some fake guru. You can't talk sense to a person once the cult has their tentacles wrapped around their brain. Free Store is a perfect example of how a cult can drain a person of every ounce of free thinking and common sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

It's also worth noting that Heaven's Gate denied being a suicide cult as well. They simply redefined what suicide meant in their own minds. I'm not even sure they had someone as open about being ready to kill themselves as free store.
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What cult did you work for, mind me asking?

Did I say I worked for a cult? No. I have had occasion to work with people that once belonged to cult movements. That's what I said. My own cousin got caught up with the Moonies. Another friend left everything to follow some fake guru. You can't talk sense to a person once the cult has their tentacles wrapped around their brain. Free Store is a perfect example of how a cult can drain a person of every ounce of free thinking and common sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

How can you justify us PXers are a cult? We have never had a meeting. We have never met. We just share the same interests

Tell me how if you may?
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What cult did you work for, mind me asking?

Did I say I worked for a cult? No. I have had occasion to work with people that once belonged to cult movements. That's what I said. My own cousin got caught up with the Moonies. Another friend left everything to follow some fake guru. You can't talk sense to a person once the cult has their tentacles wrapped around their brain. Free Store is a perfect example of how a cult can drain a person of every ounce of free thinking and common sense.

How can you justify us PXers are a cult? We have never had a meeting. We have never met. We just share the same interests

Tell me how if you may?
 Quoting: Free Store

You do meet every Saturday night, hanging on Nancy's every word, pumping her up and praising the LIEder, lobbing soft questions her way and pouncing on anyone that disagrees or dares to bring proof to the "discussion". A meeting doesn't have to be in person. Typical cultie rationalizations.
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What cult did you work for, mind me asking?

Did I say I worked for a cult? No. I have had occasion to work with people that once belonged to cult movements. That's what I said. My own cousin got caught up with the Moonies. Another friend left everything to follow some fake guru. You can't talk sense to a person once the cult has their tentacles wrapped around their brain. Free Store is a perfect example of how a cult can drain a person of every ounce of free thinking and common sense.

How can you justify us PXers are a cult? We have never had a meeting. We have never met. We just share the same interests

Tell me how if you may?

You do meet every Saturday night, hanging on Nancy's every word, pumping her up and praising the LIEder, lobbing soft questions her way and pouncing on anyone that disagrees or dares to bring proof to the "discussion". A meeting doesn't have to be in person. Typical cultie rationalizations.
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I read the paper ever Saturday, do i have a cult thing going on with that paper?
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Your denial is a habitual habit...
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The only one in denial is you.
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You do meet every Saturday night, hanging on Nancy's every word, pumping her up and praising the LIEder, lobbing soft questions her way and pouncing on anyone that disagrees or dares to bring proof to the "discussion". A meeting doesn't have to be in person. Typical cultie rationalizations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

And let's not forget about the ning...where any hint at disbelief will get you banned.
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Who meets on this here thread everyday? Pacifists?
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I read the paper ever Saturday, do i have a cult thing going on with that paper?
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Comparing apples to oranges. The paper doesn't preach a particular set of beliefs that its readers must adhere to.
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Who meets on this here thread everyday? Pacifists?
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Classic deflection. Actually, I'm personally concerned about your well-being. I think you're at risk to harm yourself.
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I read the paper ever Saturday, do i have a cult thing going on with that paper?

Comparing apples to oranges. The paper doesn't preach a particular set of beliefs that its readers must adhere to.
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It talks about current news what is the diff
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Who meets on this here thread everyday? Pacifists?
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You're just a dumb troll, aren't you Free Store. The difference between this thread and Nancy's "chat" thread is that here nobody is trying to lead anyone and nobody follows. The only people that I see posting on this thread that don't have the ability to think things through and compose intelligent replies are coincidentally followers of Nancy Lieder. That includes you, Free Store, and of course the User dude and ZetaMax. I have never seen a remotely intelligent comment from any of the three stooges.
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Who meets on this here thread everyday? Pacifists?

Classic deflection. Actually, I'm personally concerned about your well-being. I think you're at risk to harm yourself.
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Well don't be and I found seven million animals were slaughtered over pig cow and bird flu. I did the research for ya...go look!
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I read the paper ever Saturday, do i have a cult thing going on with that paper?

Comparing apples to oranges. The paper doesn't preach a particular set of beliefs that its readers must adhere to.

It talks about current news what is the diff
 Quoting: Free Store

The paper doesn't ban you for disagreeing with its opinion pieces or dare to reveal facts that prove it wrong.
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Who meets on this here thread everyday? Pacifists?

You're just a dumb troll, aren't you Free Store. The difference between this thread and Nancy's "chat" thread is that here nobody is trying to lead anyone and nobody follows. The only people that I see posting on this thread that don't have the ability to think things through and compose intelligent replies are coincidentally followers of Nancy Lieder. That includes you, Free Store, and of course the User dude and ZetaMax. I have never seen a remotely intelligent comment from any of the three stooges.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

Show me an example of a cult that compares to the PXers

And keep your shirt on PX Hater :>
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Well don't be
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You haven't given a reason not to be.
and I found seven million animals were slaughtered over pig cow and bird flu.
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This has nothing to do with what I just said (you really are mentally unstable). By the way, I'm an animal researcher, you'll get no sympathy from me.

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I read the paper ever Saturday, do i have a cult thing going on with that paper?

Comparing apples to oranges. The paper doesn't preach a particular set of beliefs that its readers must adhere to.

It talks about current news what is the diff

The paper doesn't ban you for disagreeing with its opinion pieces or dare to reveal facts that prove it wrong.
 Quoting: Astronut

No but Nancy does, that's Her prerogative..take issue with the owner
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And keep your shirt on PX Hater :>
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Why? Do my tits scare you? bounceb
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No but Nancy does,
 Quoting: Free Store

Hence the reason you're a cult.
that's Her prerogative..take issue with the owner
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I have concerns for the people like you who think this is ok.
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