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That is lovely and amazing.

I have a question- is that an optical image? Like, without filters and processing or whatever- is that it, bare-bones? Like, what we'd see if we floated right up to it?


ALL astronomical pictures are processed by their very nature. My images are hours of exposure, which generally means that many shorter images are aligned and stacked using one of several mathematical algorithms to process the data from each frame. My recent color images are from a monochrome CCD camera shot through a color filter wheel, shooting a number of images of each color and then combining them into a LRGB (Luminance - Red/Green/Blue) composite. The color is calibrated against known class G2V stars that have the same color spectrum as our sun, so the colors are correct.

But the question about what galaxies would look like if you flew to one is an interesting one...we are living INSIDE of the Milky Way galaxy and can detect it only as a thin, dim path of light across the night sky. The combined light of 400 billion suns is scattered and dim, even from within, because of the distance and intervening dust clouds. Our eyes only have an aperture of about an eighth of an inch so seeing dim objects in real time is nearly impossible. It takes the light gathering power of large telescopic apertures plus the ability of film or CCD's to capture and store photons over long periods of time to build the un-seeable into something gorgeous. This is what interests me so about astronomical photography.

Here is an image of the galaxy NGC4725 I shot last night. 350 minutes total exposure.

[link to www.machunter.org]
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Wow, that's an amazing image of the galaxy. Have you ever sent your pictures into, say, Astronomy magazine? They have a section in the back pages of every issue for images from "amateur" astronomers and yours are just as good if not better than most of what I see there....

Thanks for the explanation, too. I know my "fair share" about "space stuff" but I learn most of it from books, magazines and Wikipedia. :) Ironically I don't get to actually see the "heavens" too much as I live in a rather hopelessly light-polluted big-city. So observation and astroimaging are the parts of astronomy I know the least about.

Interesting. Thanks again.
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I haven't sent anything in recently, but I've spoken at two recent national astrophotography conferences, one in Chicago and one in NY. I've also had several images published in books on the subject and a few magazines over the years.
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yes
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Then you are hopeless because simply watching the progression of the constellations will prove that to be false.
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it is said clearly enough and not once - benign aliens are simulating normalcy.

but it will not last very much longer. just wait.
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How are they simulating normalcy? Care to explain that one? I'd really like to hear your answer for that one.
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Andrew, the simple FACT is that the earth is orbiting the sun normally. There is simply NO POSSIBLE PHYSICAL way that normalcy could be "faked". But if you want to believe in that fairy tale, you may as well believe in anything. Evidence apparently has no place in your fantasy world. The other excuse is that you are simply too stupid to even understand the mechanisms at play here. My guess is the later.
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No, no...the Earth is halted in orbit. The "Zetas" are simply moving the entire universe around us so it looks exactly as if we're moving.
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Andrew, just to be clear on what you think: Do you think Nancy is correct in her assertion that the Earth has been halted in its orbit for the last few years, as per Nancy?


yes
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Okay.

Is there any evidence you can *imagine* that would change your mind about this? Anything at ALL? If so, what would it be?

Or is there NO physical observation that can convince you that the Earth is moving normally, and that Nancy is simply mistaken?
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1-both a panet and Jupiter's moon is a solid body, which doesnt emit its own light = essentially the same. Moons technically are "planets". And nothing to say about Pluto - it orbits around the Sun and is large enough. Or do you not consider Pluto a planet after NASA told us not to?
[and what the difference does it make how do we call that cellestial body, if we know what we are referring to?]



NASA had NOTHING to do with the redefinition of Pluto, you twit. It was the IAU, a quite different body.

But you really don't have much use for facts, do you wankdrew?


Ha! Dammit! You beat me to it (I'm pages behind in this thread, working my way up as I find time...)

This one is my absolute FAVORITE recurring-"Planet X"-follower fuck-up. It's a window into their ignorant, uneducated NASA-fetishizing. Comes up again and again.

As if NASA controls/harbors all knowledge about astronomy and people like Messier and Kepler were never born. I love it. It's a good thing for the legitimate fence-sitters to read before they go endorsing a fucked up, backwards UFO-cult.

(I wish I could've seen his eyes glaze over while trying to decipher what IAU stands for....and why the letters are diferent than N-A-S-A....

(ps IAU= International Astronomical Union- it's a worldwide society of astronomers, in case no one's brought it up yet)
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'

I notice wankdrew didn't have much to say when I pointed out his idiocy. I guess the typical zetatard thinks if they ignore facts they will simply go away.

So far it hasn't worked for them terribly well.

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NO luser IN MAY!!!

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benign aliens are simulating normalcy.
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Andrew, just to be clear on what you think: Do you think Nancy is correct in her assertion that the Earth has been halted in its orbit for the last few years, as per Nancy?

yes
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lol4me Andyboy.....my favorite zetacultie.
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NIBIRU DOESN'T GIVE OFF VISIBLE LIGHT

Thread: NIBIRU DOESN'T GIVE OFF VISIBLE LIGHT F&$*!

This thread is like watching children arguing over what the easter bunny looks like.
LOL

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rofl
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There's far more objective evidence for the existence of the Easter Bunny than 'Nibiru.'
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I notice wankdrew didn't have much to say when I pointed out his idiocy. I guess the typical zetatard thinks if they ignore facts they will simply go away.
So far it hasn't worked for them terribly well.

He's run away like he always does. I guess it's preparing
us for the Big Fail next year where none of them will have
the balls to even post unless they own up to being wrong.
Years ago you could count on at least a few of them to try
to argue their point and come up with at least half way
interesting ways of rationalizing their silliness. I miss
those days. Without people like Grant the current Zetatalk
crowd is simply boring. Never thought I would actually miss
Grant.
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Nancy and her minions have provided more long-lived enternet entertainment than about anybody, over the years.
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I notice wankdrew didn't have much to say when I pointed out his idiocy. I guess the typical zetatard thinks if they ignore facts they will simply go away.
So far it hasn't worked for them terribly well.

He's run away like he always does. I guess it's preparing
us for the Big Fail next year where none of them will have
the balls to even post unless they own up to being wrong.
Years ago you could count on at least a few of them to try
to argue their point and come up with at least half way
interesting ways of rationalizing their silliness. I miss
those days. Without people like Grant the current Zetatalk
crowd is simply boring. Never thought I would actually miss
Grant.


Nancy and her minions have provided more long-lived enternet entertainment than about anybody, over the years.
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And it was free!
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I notice wankdrew didn't have much to say when I pointed out his idiocy. I guess the typical zetatard thinks if they ignore facts they will simply go away.
So far it hasn't worked for them terribly well.

He's run away like he always does. I guess it's preparing
us for the Big Fail next year where none of them will have
the balls to even post unless they own up to being wrong.
Years ago you could count on at least a few of them to try
to argue their point and come up with at least half way
interesting ways of rationalizing their silliness. I miss
those days. Without people like Grant the current Zetatalk
crowd is simply boring. Never thought I would actually miss
Grant.
 Quoting: DrPostman



I notice the zetatards are very, very good at running away. One would think that if these zetas are so smart they would tell their followers to get a lot smarter and then stand and fight with facts, but they never do. Odd that....

Grant was OK, but his act got pretty old pretty quickly.
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NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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He says that the "Zetas" are simulating normalcy but that it won't last much longer. That pretty much means the same thing as "soon"....which we know means pretty much never.
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Bunkers are having orgasms about zetasquak being down.
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This new pin feature is going to put a hurt on her Saturday
night chat.


:_absurd:

Folks have to pro-actively open her thread and unpin it. Furthermore, this feature is ONLY available to members. Nancy's Saturday chats are aimed principally at NEWCOMERS, **NON**-MEMBERS who need to be informed.

Wow Posthole, this is probably your biggest FAIL in quite some time!!

:atomic_fai:

+ 1
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+2
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Bunkers are having orgasms about zetasquak being down.
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clapping
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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This new pin feature is going to put a hurt on her Saturday
night chat.


_absurd

Folks have to pro-actively open her thread and unpin it. Furthermore, this feature is ONLY available to members. Nancy's Saturday chats are aimed principally at NEWCOMERS, **NON**-MEMBERS who need to be informed.

Wow Posthole, this is probably your biggest FAIL in quite some time!!

atomic_fai

+ 1

+2
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t_up
highfive_
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Still waiting for all the debunking theories in May, but you guys are still just trading insults with those you were going to ignore.

What gives?
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Still waiting for all the debunking theories in May, but you guys are still just trading insults with those you were going to ignore.

What gives?
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What "debunking theories in May"? What do you wish debunked? Do you like bunk?
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Still waiting for all the debunking theories in May, but you guys are still just trading insults with those you were going to ignore.

What gives?
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No1_home
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benign aliens are simulating normalcy.


putin
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lol4me AndyBoy is indeed in for quite a nasty shock when he gets to confront his beloved "fantasy" alien Overlords face to face...... Oh boy
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benign aliens are simulating normalcy.


putin


lol4me AndyBoy is indeed in for quite a nasty shock when he gets to confront his beloved "fantasy" alien Overlords face to face...... Oh boy
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


If someone is acting "stupid", it is common to call them "stupid".

If someone is acting like a "PAID SHILL", why can't we call them a PAID SHILL????

shill

paid_shill
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Still waiting for all the debunking theories in May, but you guys are still just trading insults with those you were going to ignore.

What gives?
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I am unaware of any particular theories for May.

What I AM aware of is the believer's inability to address physical evidence that demonstrates that the Earth is not halted in orbit, and that Nancy's claims of such (and 100 percent accuracy) are wrong.

However, most times such a conversation cannot even begin, because the believers cannot answer this question:

**What evidence will convince you that Nancy/Zetatalk is incorrect? What evidence will allow you to cease believing in her claims?**

Believers and Zeta apologists dance around this, but never directly answer it (although, to be fair, ZM has stated that the dawning of (at first) 2012, and later 2013, will convince him... I would hope that will convince EVERY believer that Nancy is wrong, but people strangely still listen to her and her excuses despite 2003, interestingly enough) Until they do answer precisely what evidence can convince them to change their minds, no meaningful dialog with believers can really take place.
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Still waiting for all the debunking theories in May, but you guys are still just trading insults with those you were going to ignore.

What gives?


I am unaware of any particular theories for May.

What I AM aware of is the believer's inability to address physical evidence that demonstrates that the Earth is not halted in orbit, and that Nancy's claims of such (and 100 percent accuracy) are wrong.

However, most times such a conversation cannot even begin, because the believers cannot answer this question:

**What evidence will convince you that Nancy/Zetatalk is incorrect? What evidence will allow you to cease believing in her claims?**

Believers and Zeta apologists dance around this, but never directly answer it (although, to be fair, ZM has stated that the dawning of (at first) 2012, and later 2013, will convince him... I would hope that will convince EVERY believer that Nancy is wrong, but people strangely still listen to her and her excuses despite 2003, interestingly enough) Until they do answer precisely what evidence can convince them to change their minds, no meaningful dialog with believers can really take place.
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Yeah, they're kind of a paradoz unto themselves. Note Zetamax's posts on this page. He says...nothing. Granted, yeah, he supposedly has a countdown timer towards throwing in the towel, but we'll see about that...

Personally I just kind of get a kick out of this front-row access to a real-live UFO-cult. That doesn't happen too much in life!
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Indeed we should go back to real debunking instead of namecalling and posting useless pictures.
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Still waiting for all the debunking theories in May, but you guys are still just trading insults with those you were going to ignore.

What gives?


I am unaware of any particular theories for May.

What I AM aware of is the believer's inability to address physical evidence that demonstrates that the Earth is not halted in orbit, and that Nancy's claims of such (and 100 percent accuracy) are wrong.

However, most times such a conversation cannot even begin, because the believers cannot answer this question:

**What evidence will convince you that Nancy/Zetatalk is incorrect? What evidence will allow you to cease believing in her claims?**

Believers and Zeta apologists dance around this, but never directly answer it (although, to be fair, ZM has stated that the dawning of (at first) 2012, and later 2013, will convince him... I would hope that will convince EVERY believer that Nancy is wrong, but people strangely still listen to her and her excuses despite 2003, interestingly enough) Until they do answer precisely what evidence can convince them to change their minds, no meaningful dialog with believers can really take place.


Yeah, they're kind of a paradoz unto themselves. Note Zetamax's posts on this page. He says...nothing. Granted, yeah, he supposedly has a countdown timer towards throwing in the towel, but we'll see about that...

Personally I just kind of get a kick out of this front-row access to a real-live UFO-cult. That doesn't happen too much in life!
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He never does, which is why we have decided to boycott max in May. Let him know he is neither needed or wanted.

NO MAX IN MAY!!!

NO luser IN MAY!!!

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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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We should celebrate the impending 7th anniversary of utter and total failure on Saturday.

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We should celebrate the impending 7th anniversary of utter and total failure on Saturday.

chorus

cheers
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Thanks for the reminder!!! Failures that massive deserve celebration!
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Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!

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