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Hiya Kids!

My my...it seems we have been quite "Popular" lately hasn't it...

I'm sure that we would realize that I would consider endlessly refreshing any thread to be a DOS attack on the site....really only because it is....

I have in fact caught such an attack in progress right now...well let's just say was happening....utilizing this very thread as a weapon.

So since the motivation of these things are usually to increase thread views and artificially enter the most popular threads...I will reset the view count...at a somewhat lesser value...

If you experience turbulence during the procedure, fret not...it will subside....


Whaaa? I hope you're kidding.
Lol

A DOS attack?
shark

Pretty much what it is...although a lame one....no matter...I guess whomever it was got tired of reloading the Server ban page....;)

Oh and the views are set back to...65k sumthin...so that was a pretty worthless gamble.....



Do you really think the cretin that did this ran up that many counts? Musta been a busy little gomer! ;-)
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A couple few hundred thousand over the last several days...I make it worth my while ya know...:)
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Clare:

I would be happy to discuss Nancy's claims, and the physical evidence that seems to disagree with said claims.

I would start by asking you what mechanism can GOTO and permanently mounted telescopes compensate for the unpredicted movements of the heavens. How could they still find objects were there, in fact, an new NCP?

I would further ask you how Earth could be moving or rotating or wobbling unpredictably, yet aged charts are still correct regarding sunrises, sunsets, lunar movements, stars rising and setting, and constellations appearing on schedule. Sextants still reveal your correct position on Earth when taking Noon sightings, as an example.

I would also ask you your opinion on Nancy's claim that the Earth is halted in its orbit around the Sun, and supposedly has been for years, yet planets still show retrograde motions.

Lastly I would ask if there was any physical evidence whatsoever that you could IMAGINE being presented that would force you to conclude that Nancy's claims are false.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Ah ha! I thought I had: I did answer you. See below.
Good night!

Hi! My eyes are bleary and I am going to bed asap. I was focussed on Menow's immediate responses. You can read what I posted, below, for you and for him. And about the sextants and so on, I don't know that you are right or wrong. I assume you are right, and if so, does that debunk the whole claim of Nancy? Interesting thought. It COULD be the downfall of everything: we should have seen a PX if we were going around the Sun normally: at some point it would have putatively been on one side or the other and we in some side-view angle. So I suppose we HAVE to be stopped for her to be right.

However, that would NOT be the case if PX were so near the Sun in the early years of arrival, that it would not be semi-invisible against the brightness of the Sun. So then we don't HAVE to be stopped for her to be right.

Plus ... if there is some hypothetical "tilting" and "light"-bending, then NO we would not find too many indications something's wrong.

But finally, if ANYTHING came into the solar system, even from afar, and had a charge on it, then our Earth would have to feel the tug or pull. We're a complicated gyroscope and the direction-lines we maintain in wobble and spin and rotation around the Sun are massive, so most effects would be not immediate or without some mitigation. But if we were approached by a PX, with charge and gravity too, we, who HAVE to have a charge on us, would be affected with Magnetic Pole anomalies AND Wobble Torque at some point or disruption.

We have a charge, no matter what the astrophysicists like to babble on about that we don't, and no matter that they treat electromagnetism from the Sun on metal cores as "flow-through" energy with no charge (which is ridiculous) --

Electricity isn't static -- though there's a form which is forced to be "static" for a while.

Good night.
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Hiya Kids!

My my...it seems we have been quite "Popular" lately hasn't it...

I'm sure that we would realize that I would consider endlessly refreshing any thread to be a DOS attack on the site....really only because it is....

I have in fact caught such an attack in progress right now...well let's just say was happening....utilizing this very thread as a weapon.

So since the motivation of these things are usually to increase thread views and artificially enter the most popular threads...I will reset the view count...at a somewhat lesser value...

If you experience turbulence during the procedure, fret not...it will subside....


Whaaa? I hope you're kidding.
Lol

A DOS attack?
shark

Pretty much what it is...although a lame one....no matter...I guess whomever it was got tired of reloading the Server ban page....;)

Oh and the views are set back to...65k sumthin...so that was a pretty worthless gamble.....
 Quoting: SHR

from memory we passed that about 4 months ago I thought, I'll see if I can find the post it was noted down on

i do find it `VERY highly unlikely' that every post in this thread (all 15,645 posts on 500 pages was only read by 4 people to give your 65,653 view count

About as likely as a giant planet/brown dwarf hovering in the inner solar system one might say...
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[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Take a look at the page numbers and post counts of the same sized threads there as ours, and consider how much traffic this one gets every saturday night
65k views

I call shenannigans
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Damn: they DIDN'T copy.

Okay, here they are:

[link to www.michaelmandeville.com]


Holy crap! Now I looked. THAT'S what you are going on about?? Do you KNOW the SCALE of that chart? (where have I heard that before?)


[link to www.canada.com]

(which I said was missing and explained why I still linked to it)

[link to the-rabbits-hole.com]



Why do you insist upon mixing up two different subjects? Known TINY polar 'wiggles' and magnetic pole drift?

(snip)


Not tiny


Then why don't you explain their size?


and not hypothetically unrelated, dear Menow.


Yes, because "anything is possible", right?
 Quoting: Menow 935048


No, of course because hypothesis asks what is possible vs impossible vs unknown. In order to test a proposition, it must be worked out in full; and in something as "hairy" as a legal case or similar reasoning over many topics, one must figure out the fullest set of what might account for all evidence. A "pink sweater" might mean different things in different hypotheses, for instance: a co-incidental non-evidetiary item, a murder weapon (strangulation or some such), etc.


In hypothesis (say, in crimes), you must test the "pink sweater" and the "gun" and the "hole in the wall" and so on, on their own data *and also* on their relationships. You hypothesize all possibilities you can think of to account for them, including the outlandish-seeming, and whittle away at those. You let the evidence speak to you for new or key directions, but you do not stay only at the level of the evidence -- you use your brain to compare.


You're rambling.
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No, I am explaining why we do things, in reasoning. So that we are on the same page. In order to understand a proposition, unfortunately even a seeming outlandish one, we cannot rely on piecemiel fact-testing; it may be that it is the relationship between one fact and another which is the salient evidence, not an object or individual event.

So, we test the objects/ideas as best we can, reason as fully as we can in all directions related to the proposition, and then return to the object/idea.

If you want sound bytes you cannot reason. If you were in a court, hearing PX arguments, you would have to sift through all the pieces AND all the potential links, without prejudice to the claim -- which includes not reasoning with only what things would be if you had your way.

What if three items/claims were found together in the same years, and roughly conforming to PX predicted period (last 10 years):


One physical item: could be a or b hypothesis
Another physical item: could be b or c hypothesis
And a third (a claim only): q

Let's say, a and c are versions of co-incidence or non-planet X in some way. And b is planet x possibly doing it physically. And q is ACTUALLY untestable or impossible (and known to fit with NO physical effect we know of, not magnetism, not gravity, nada.)

Well, for item one, isolated, you would like to make it a.
And for item two, isolated, you would chose c.
And for q, you'd jump up and down saying, "Told ya so! A flaw!"

But in fact in combination (in this symbolic example):

Items one, two, and three would logically require b and q.

What does that mean?

It means that in fact in combination, item q could be tossed as completely physically impossible and unknown ...

But items one and two HAVE TO BE "B".
In this logical example, ab and bc leave b.

Follow me, dear sound-byte guy?

I am not saying that Nancy is telling the truth. What I am saying is when BUILDING A CASE, which is NECESSARY FOR UNDERSTANDING, you can't toss what seem to be small things or co-incidental. You actually have to COUNT them into your case.

Then the case rises or falls on the totality.

So, the Wobble example may be small, but it WOULD fit PX if there were one, figuring in electromagnetism. (And to understand the latter's role in planetary dynamics takes a digression and requires one do poo-pooh the institutional errors of many astrophysicists who don't think of it when they think of measuring "Gravity" effects and Sun charges over aeons.)

So the Wobble example goes into the mix. Then we also add the magnetic poles -- the North could be "just moving rapidly" etc., or for some as-yet-unpostulated reason, or, if PX were near, it sounds likely that it might push the magnetic charge in ways not conforming to the Sun's usual. So it goes into the mix.

And on we go.

And if the whole adds up into an image of possibility for PX, then so be it. (Awful reality that would be.) It still doesn't mean it is SO, but it means we've built a case.

Then we work on how it could all be co-incidence: your specialty. Well, here we have scientists saying it's shocking what's happening in the Poles, or with the "Holes" of the magnetosphere, and so on.

Whichever total theory/case is linked best and strongest in details as well, wins. (However, one could have a very strong case that turns out to be in fact wrong. Determining that, though, would be due to key pillars of the case falling, not to just any item.)

There was an as-yet-unheard-of BACKTRACK in the wobble.


Unheard of, by you? I haven't taken the time to look at all available records, but have YOU? Again, your track record of freaking out over the mundane is already established.
 Quoting: Menow 935048


As you know, I never freaked. And I have admitted the points you raised about the Pole Star were likely -- though not absolutely proving, until we have scale. But yes, I am guessing now we are not wobbling as Nancy says. However, I do not think the other claims are so likely not true, such as the fact that the Chandler Wobble going backward was not -- both intuitively and in known record -- normal. I found an article on that, at one point. It was mainstream media -- and was talking of something else as well. I don't have the link handy.


And all of this alleged 'weirdness' adds up to what, for you?
 Quoting: Menow 935048


Well, it adds up to a case for PX. A case doesn't mean it IS so, but it puts together the pieces in their possible relationship and yes, there are suggestions therefrom, that PX might be here ... but not all the claims about it from Nancy/putative Zetas have to be true for there to be a case to be made for PX.

And when sifted out, these facts and their relationships (why the magnetosphere "holes" of repulsion just after the same time as the Chandler Wobble went backward ... etc.) does make me wonder if yes, the best explanation -- other than the ubiquitous "co-incidence of factors" -- might be a third main magneto-gravitic body (a planet X) being the pull-push factor in the solar system relationship of the Sun and Earth.

This alone would be enough to at least posit PX (if of course nothing stood in the way to make it logically IMPOSSIBLE). Oh, and logcally impossible doesn't mean "unwished thinking", may I remind you.

Good night (for real this time). I napped this aft so I guess I was able to stay up later than usual.

Bye for now! :)

zzzzz
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i do find it `VERY highly unlikely' that every post in this thread (all 15,645 posts on 500 pages was only read by 4 people to give your 65,653 view count...
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It has nothing to do with any of that - but when thread's views are MOD-ified downwards to ~65k, as a computer geek/mathematician, this is easily recognizable as 2^16, which equals 65,536 decimal.

Could also likely be FFFF (hexadecimal) which is 65,535 decimal, but in hex you begin counting at ZERO, so ends up the same amount of digits (65536).
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A couple few hundred thousand over the last several days...I make it worth my while ya know...:)
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Well SHR, although I dont like you very much you are absolutely right on this one.

The debunker thread was auto-refreshed. I am pretty sure I know who did it, the person I mean was online 24/7 for days know (a subscribing member) but didn't post anywehere here or in other threads.
So you're right. To set the count back to 65000 is a bit thick ... to about 350000 would have been more realistic.

BTW: documented what happened:
[link to www.freeimagehosting.net]

On may 13th we had about 500000.

If you look at page 515 of our debunker thread you will see the posts I made regarding the problem. Soon after that post the auto-refreshing of this thread began and continued until you stopped it now.

What you should also consider is not only to reset our thread, but those two , too:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Thread: Holy Shit! LOOK at the Magnetosphere!! (Page 215)

The miracle mineral supplement thread was also auto refreshed. You should correct all their viewing counts.

^^ I regocnized days ago that they were auto-refreshed 24/7 and the one and only reason this was done was to push our debunker thread down in the charts. This probably even caused the one who refreshed the debunker thread to fight them. I have thought about the same, but I did not as I didn't think we need this, as we have proven Nancy to be wrong all along without being in the top 20 anyways.

Look at my observations posted in those threads and you'll see ... I have plenty more screenshots on my other PC btw.

Actually I posted my observations for YOU mods to see and stop it, but you did not care or were lazy about those threads being auto-refreshed. I posted it several times in those threads and here in this one on page 515. IF you are a fair mod you should reset the viewing counts of above mentioned threads, too ... if you do not you obviously only care to attack us debunkers of Nancy LIEDer.

What you and the site ownder and all GLP'lers should realize is that the Top 20 are TOTALLY rigged from beginning to end. Since it is possible to push the view count by auto-refreshing from the same IP every retard can manipulate the viewing count. A few weeks ago someone auto-refreshed a Nancy Lieder chat thread from out of nowhere into the top 18. We discuss this here around page 400 I think.

My suggestion to improve the totally worthless Top 20 list is that you only up the view count by one view for every IP in 24 hrs ... or only allow 10 view counts from one IP in 24 hours, similar to the voting system.

The html for that would only be one like of code.

And to the person who did the auto-refreshing ... well you're busted and you hurt all of us debunkers.
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Nancy's newsletter says
the Gulf oil disaster
is "in the hands of man".
They could stop it,
but that would be interference
in human affairs.
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spock

Well I do not believe this is entirely right
According to one of the Ashtar Command channels
the Galactics are ready to help us
they are just waiting our invitation

[link to www.ashtarontheroad.com]

"Now, Obama could be quite influential, and we have asked preparations, knowing that we would make a suggestion. And that is you might want to fill up your computer airwaves with emails to Obama. You could simply ask him to call upon us to help. We know this is not exactly in the nature of the way that the announcement was planned to take place, but these are extraordinary circumstances. Again, understand, we will hear you and we will mitigate to the greatest extent possible; we cannot promise to show up in the skies over the Gulf coast of Louisiana and the other states of the United States, but we will do everything we can do. We have to have permission; we have to be called forth.

spock
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What you and the site ownder and all GLP'lers should realize is that the Top 20 are TOTALLY rigged from beginning to end. Since it is possible to push the view count by auto-refreshing from the same IP every retard can manipulate the viewing count. A few weeks ago someone auto-refreshed a Nancy Lieder chat thread from out of nowhere into the top 18. We discuss this here around page 400 I think.

My suggestion to improve the totally worthless Top 20 list is that you only up the view count by one view for every IP in 24 hrs ... or only allow 10 view counts from one IP in 24 hours, similar to the voting system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 972982

And BTW SHR ... if you mods would take your job a bit more seriously you would have been aware that this problem of a completely useless Top 20 list is around here at least for months and I posted about it several times in the past, here and in other threads.

Check for example your logs on this thread:

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat February 10

A zetatalk with 236,288 views ... this one was also autorefreshed and pushed in the top 20s as I posted in above post already ... you should reset that one too to the about 8000 to 15000 Nancy usually has.
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Hi Dr. Postman ... in difference to SHR i really like you, but this one goes to all you mods:

And BTW SHR ... if you mods would take your job a bit more seriously you would have been aware that this problem of a completely useless Top 20 list is around here at least for months and I posted about it several times in the past, here and in other threads.
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As Trinity is changes the website features like underpants these days it might be a good time to implement improved top 20 list that will make auto-refreshing useless and therefor REALLY be an indicater whats popular on GLP and what not. You migth consider this in your next mod-meeting or whatever you guys do. Please take no offence, you're the only mod I like here, don't want to piss you off. But the top 20 definitely need improvement.
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well its got another 40 extra page views from me since I last posted-

not to bump the page views, but as I am a very quick reader I am working backwards through the thread (back to p478 ATM)reading every post to see if I can find a then current page view (search found nothing as usual)

(I probably should have sarted around 400 as I think it was around there when I first mentioned the pages and pageviews then I think
never mind, I will find it soon or later even if I have to reread the entire thread.....

(actually I am enjoying it immensely, seeing the to and fro again but in fast motion so to speak)
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well its got another 40 extra page views from me since I last posted-

not to bump the page views, but as I am a very quick reader I am working backwards through the thread (back to p478 ATM)reading every post to see if I can find a then current page view (search found nothing as usual)

(I probably should have sarted around 400 as I think it was around there when I first mentioned the pages and pageviews then I think
never mind, I will find it soon or later even if I have to reread the entire thread.....

(actually I am enjoying it immensely, seeing the to and fro again but in fast motion so to speak)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

Google can help searching too if you're good at using it ... im busy right now ... but ill check back later and see what i can find ... im taking part in this thread since about page 100, so I know it pretty well.
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With all the work that Sergio has done in just the last few
weeks I'm pretty sure it won't be anything that he will get
to soon. We all know how popular this thread has gotten over
just the last year so being on the list is just icing on the
cake. I did send SHR a PM about this. We'll see what he
says.
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The only thing that stat measures is how "popular" DENIAL is!!!
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The only thing that stat measures is how "popular" DENIAL is!!!
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Go back to nanny Nancy LIEDer and suck her saggy boobs.
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O&O -- over and out. Leaving debunking. You chew -- or don't. I know Menow got his bonus 'cause I went here. You're welcome. (I'm poor so I wish I could get paid for debunking OR supporting. Oh well.)
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Bonus? What bonus? Why is it all you "believers" think someone gets paid simply because they put up an argument against Nancy? Is that all you people have when losing a debate?
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Hope your OWN circuits are not broken if this PX comes here/nearer.
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Not to worry because it isn't there to begin with.
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I have to say his reduction of the page views to 65,000 is pretty drastic considering that the true page views was far higher than that.
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I have to say his reduction of the page views to 65,000 is pretty drastic considering that the true page views was far higher than that.
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Yep ... as you can see on my posted screenshot a page before we were at 500000 views before the auto-refreshing began.

But I remember remember seeing posts by SHR a longer while ago that he actually likes Nancys work (maybe not agreeing with it, but he accepts her at least) ... so he is into her hands with that.

You also can see that he is biased because he wont correct the 2 other auto-refreshed threads I reported several times, look my last posts a page before. OBVIOUSLY he is only pissed at us debunkers , not at others who altered the view counts of their threads, as I can clearly prove with the screenshot from May 13th I posted.

Anyways, this thread will be in the top 20s in no time.
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You are all Fucking idiots in this thread! You know that don't you? lol


Excuse me, but :Loneranger: has never ever fucked a bunker in my life.

Please refrain from asserting falsehoods within our GLP Top 20 Most Popular Thread.....we already get an overwhelming amount of said activity from the zetaculties.

Thankyou.
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well it was in the top 20 back then

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thats exactly almost to the day 2 months ago on page 442

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 442)

still going back page by page until I find a page view number and date we can use as correct

(obviously we are going to have to keep our own records from now on as site records are obviously untrustworthy, first being bumped artifically high then dragged unbelievably low)

maybe every 10 pages, have a `quotes' post, listing no. of posts, pages, views etc etc and anything else of possible importance

(I sat down and had a thunk about it, I regularly refresh the thread when a lively chat is going on once a minute- even more when a real lively string of posts is on...)

So in 2 hours during zetababble and probably an hour or more afterwards, I would be responsible for a minimum of 180-200 extra page views alone- in one night (day for me actually)

I read almost every chat (hey I am a stay at home ok) and have read almost every chat on the night except when I had to work, since the debunker thread started - that was 11 months ago- that works out at close to 9000 page views from me alone (say 10000 including midweek chats popping up)

I dont know who the other 5 people who have read the thread are- I certainly thought there were more of us there than THAT....

;-)
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I have to say his reduction of the page views to 65,000 is pretty drastic considering that the true page views was far higher than that.
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clappa

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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What you should also consider is not only to reset our thread, but those two , too:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Thread: Holy Shit! LOOK at the Magnetosphere!! (Page 215)

The miracle mineral supplement thread was also auto refreshed. You should correct all their viewing counts.
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Yes, I witnessed that too. And not only were those threads auto refreshed but also "17P/Holmes - Enigma 'Comet'" thread. That continued for quite some time until it stopped and then the Debunker thread overtook it. It was like watching some really retarded competition for no reason except "winning".

What you and the site ownder and all GLP'lers should realize is that the Top 20 are TOTALLY rigged from beginning to end.
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Yes, the whole system of "Popular threads" is flawed. It has clearly been manipulated all along. Imo it would be much better if the most popular threads would be those with most replies. That would be so much harder to manipulate as spam gets deleted.
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What you and the site ownder (sic) and all GLP'lers should realize is that the Top 20 are TOTALLY rigged from beginning to end. Since it is possible to push the view count by auto-refreshing from the same IP every retard can manipulate the viewing count. A few weeks ago someone auto-refreshed a Nancy Lieder chat thread from out of nowhere into the top 18. We discuss this here around page 400 I think.

My suggestion to improve the totally worthless Top 20 list is that you only up the view count by one view for every IP in 24 hrs ... or only allow 10 view counts from one IP in 24 hours, similar to the voting system.

And BTW SHR ... if you mods would take your job a bit more seriously you would have been aware that this problem of a completely useless Top 20 list is around here at least for months and I posted about it several times in the past, here and in other threads.

Check for example your logs on this thread:

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat February 10

A zetatalk with 236,288 views ... this one was also autorefreshed and pushed in the top 20s as I posted in above post already ... you should reset that one too to the about 8000 to 15000 Nancy usually has.
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Dear Deutschland über alles! (small attempt at some Teutonic humor there)

Let it go dude! You seems quite obsessed with all this "view stuff." Chill dude. Life is not alway fair. You think the LIGHTWORKERS thread REALLY has/had over 1.6^10x6 views??? About half were artificial. So be it.

Act III. Scene II. Hamlet:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

While my guess would be you're a dude (babes generally don't bother with screenshots and all the other time you've spent on this), I think the quote is apropos. Your vociferous protestations could almost make you sound complicit.

While I think a "view count" of 350,000 is a probably more fair valuation, I cannot discount the notion that, likely, a "regular" of this thread participated, and hence, the punishment.

That having been said, I think those Zetatalk nutjobs are functionally delusional... reference: [link to www.webmd.com]

Having been involved with many such trials during my clinical training, it is impossible, and worthless to try and convince them otherwise, through rational reasoning - as the disorder itself, precludes such approaches.

So in my interactions with such people, I just play along, but in no way attempt to show them they're wrong; not only is it a waste of time (we all have better things to do... let me revise that; most of us have better things to do!), but proceeds with the notion that their diagnosis is somehow "treatable" if "only we can show them the truth."

As a male, I can't help but compare the female Homo sapiens' incessant desire to "change" a male "jerks" behaviors... get over it ladies - you're NOT going to change him! OK, a little gender observation to make the point... (go for the "nice guys" - we're worth it!)

With people who are delusional (think ZetaTards), there is no changing them - so no matter how much rational banter you throw at them, you will not effect any change.

A few last thoughts: I cannot discount those who are wise as a fox; i.e., those who set up 501(c)(3)'s to take advantage of charitable contributions to maintains an often rather healthy lifestyle (think: all the paranormal conference-circuit people). However, this also applies to plain ol' people who have donation links on their websites. Crazy as a fox.

So to almost close... my actual advice would be to ignore these 'tards and cease rational rebuttals as they will clearly have not effect, and, at least I, have certainly better use of my time (think: family time, BBQ's, quality TV, interacting with rational humans, nurturing loving relationships, etc., etc.)

Of course, following my advice would mean far fewer posts and views on this thread... but consider the alternative - complete waste of our precious time allotted on this earth. I'm just sayin'...

So now, in real conclusion I say: Dear Deutschland über alles!: Enjoy a good meal, some great music (Wagner in your case???), good company, a good book, the majesty of a clear night sky... these are all so much more precious than responding to ZetaTards via bits and bytes.

The Rational One
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OR one of the zetatards was doing it to try and bump it to extremes so the view numbers would have to be discounted??

Look back at when it first hit the top 20, and then the top ten- a couple of `those who shall not be named' were particulary indignant that it was so popular compared to zetababble...
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Anyways, this thread will be in the top 20s in no time.
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No doubt. Which will show how truly popular it is. It's obvious because the page is frequently near the front while Nancy's threads sink into oblivion rather quickly. Look at the page views as it is - they were set to 65,000 and already it's over 66,000 over night. In addition, we have over 500 pages. Something Nancy cannot claim.

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A DOS attack?
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I don't know if you're asking what that is. If so, it's a Denial Of Service attack...or so SHR thinks.
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You are all Fucking idiots in this thread! You know that don't you? lol


Excuse me, but :Loneranger: has never ever fucked a bunker in my life.

Please refrain from asserting falsehoods within our GLP Top 20 Most Popular Thread.....we already get an overwhelming amount of said activity from the zetaculties.

Thankyou.

well it was in the top 20 back then

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thats exactly almost to the day 2 months ago on page 442

Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 442)

still going back page by page until I find a page view number and date we can use as correct

(obviously we are going to have to keep our own records from now on as site records are obviously untrustworthy, first being bumped artifically high then dragged unbelievably low)

maybe every 10 pages, have a `quotes' post, listing no. of posts, pages, views etc etc and anything else of possible importance

(I sat down and had a thunk about it, I regularly refresh the thread when a lively chat is going on once a minute- even more when a real lively string of posts is on...)

So in 2 hours during zetababble and probably an hour or more afterwards, I would be responsible for a minimum of 180-200 extra page views alone- in one night (day for me actually)

I read almost every chat (hey I am a stay at home ok) and have read almost every chat on the night except when I had to work, since the debunker thread started - that was 11 months ago- that works out at close to 9000 page views from me alone (say 10000 including midweek chats popping up)

I dont know who the other 5 people who have read the thread are- I certainly thought there were more of us there than THAT....

;-)
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These refresh number are normal for me too when I watch threads closely and when I'm chatting with others. But SHR is right about one thing, this thread here was artificially pushed in the past days. The one who did it used probably something like this:

[link to addons.mozilla.org]

And he was pretty stupid, as IF you do something like this, you dont do it 24/7 day after day.

BUT: Other threads in the top 20 are pushed artificially too ... as I posted before several times and which I can prove with screenshots. But SHR just supports Nancy, therefor he does NOT care about those other threads AT ALL.

You can easily see if a thread is auto-refreshed ... just look at the top 20 charts when the thread your observing is not on the frontpage and hasnt been posted in for a while (so changes are good not many are looking at it at that time). Then you reload the page every second (with your mouseclick, not some tool) ... if the thread is autorefreshed you will see that the view count goes up every time you refresh the top 20 page. It did so with this thread until recently BUT it did so with several others and it will continue with them I am sure (I am closely monitoring that for quite a time now).
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No doubt. Which will show how truly popular it is. It's obvious because the page is frequently near the front while Nancy's threads sink into oblivion rather quickly. Look at the page views as it is - they were set to 65,000 and already it's over 66,000 over night. In addition, we have over 500 pages. Something Nancy cannot claim.
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well I have read backwards from 523 back to 435 so far
plus close to 4 hrs with my usual once a minute or so refresh (a little bit less than normal as I tend to only refresh the current page at the same time as I go back a page unles a couple of posts have been made, then I'll refresh a bit more often to see any new replies- so that would probably be around 200-300 page views alone tonight I would think
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Dear Deutschland über alles! (small attempt at some Teutonic humor there)
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I'm a monarchist, supporting the german-austrian monarchy (like many bavarians), no Nazi.
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So to almost close... my actual advice would be to ignore these 'tards and cease rational rebuttals as they will clearly have not effect, and, at least I, have certainly better use of my time (think: family time, BBQ's, quality TV, interacting with rational humans, nurturing loving relationships, etc., etc.)
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But of course your right about that.
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So to almost close... my actual advice would be to ignore these 'tards and cease rational rebuttals as they will clearly have not effect, and, at least I, have certainly better use of my time (think: family time, BBQ's, quality TV, interacting with rational humans, nurturing loving relationships, etc., etc.)
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But of course your right about that.
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Actually I come here for amusement (atho I was not particularly amused by tonights underhanded antics, in fact I found that particular persons descision quite unbelievable and particularly distasteful- enough to reverse a descision to actually get a paying account on a permanent basis)

Normally I come to find out how much more delusional they get (and not surprisingly find out a lot more about the universe than I ever knew before, altho not from any of the zetababble I must admit)

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