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Now, I don't know if it's possible to have PX somewhere near the Sun and fake the sunspot closup images of the Sun -- but if they actually cut and paste areas of Sun wherever PX was, for it wouldn't be very big compared to the total Sun image, well, then for the rest of the images it would, hypothesis-following, be much easier.

Why? Because SOHO and Stereo-Ahead/-Behind don't even show the centre of the Sun. So if PX were in front of it in our view in the past few years of rotation, we wouldn't notice. And if it were beside, it would be covered up but -- oops, a few leaks.

 Quoting: mclarek 971744


You obviously don't realize how many amateur astronomers photograph the sun on a regular basis. Here are a few thousand photographs taken by users of Corondao solar telescopes...

[link to www.coronadofilters.com]

No px in sight.
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Since then, electromagnetism has been discovered and experimented with. It can cause changes in weight (gravity pull) but not mass (density of atoms, which was not what Newton meant: he meant heavier). We have to look at the TIME PERIOD of the thinker.
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But the fact is that electromagnetic (or electrostatic) forces can easily be measured and when compared to macro sized masses, are completely insignificant. Yes, it is agreed that IF there is a charge difference between two bodies that the total forces between them will include an electrically caused force, but once the mass of the bodies exceeds some large muliplier of the electrical forces, the electrical forces can be dismissed as being mathematically insignificant. But electric fields between two charged bodies can easily be detected and measured and we simply don't see any between the planets. Additionally, if there is a leakage current between two charged bodies, as there would be if they were in close enough proximity for the force to manifest itself, the charge difference will eventually equalize to zero unless there is a means to "re-charge" it. So, if there ever were net electrical charges on the planets enough to cause any physical interaction, it would have long since dissipated after billions of years.
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HOWEVER, she has come up with some striking claims, and re. PX as a "big magnetic bully" and some of the photos from Stereo-Ahead (those pixel-flares/ anomalies), and other things I have since learned about the discovery of this planet AND a dark star ... and how in 1993 some gravity adjustments were "discovered" right after Harrington's death, which put to rest any need for a PX, but now BOTH A JAPANESE TEAM and THE SEDNA TEAM have come out saying there has to be another body because of those SAME perturbations that were, like a spy, sheep-dipped in gravity respectability in 1993.

Well, who's right? The 1993 claim that it's all ordinary perturbations, or the pre-1993 and post-2007 claims that the perturbations on the outer planets are due to something else, other than each other (as NASA claims)? Hmm.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744



No, again, you misunderstand the claims of the Japanese and Sedna groups. They are NOT claiming that the outer planets (i.e. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) are exhibiting orbital anomalies, but that conditions in the Oort cloud (MUCH further out) and the periodic disturbance of comets within could be explained by a number of relatively sizable undiscovered planets (like Sedna).

And it wasn't "gravity adjustments" that were made in 1993. It was that more accurate measurements of the masses of the outer planets had been gained by spacecraft fly-by's which when used instead of the old estimated values eliminated the perceived orbital anomalies of those planets. This is a perfect example of science correcting itself when more accurate data is obtained.

Your entire world view seems to be rife with these basic misunderstandings of science. You assume much that is clearly in error with current knowledge.
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You obviously don't realize how many amateur astronomers photograph the sun on a regular basis. Here are a few thousand photographs taken by users of Corondao solar telescopes...

[link to www.coronadofilters.com]

No px in sight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 558013

I was thinking about to get one of these (if I ever have that kind of money to spare) ... I more would like a telescope to watch planets and stuff, but light pollution here is to big to do something useful with it.
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AC:
If those yowosa people would be sincerely trying to save humans from doom&gloom they would not sell their stuff. This is the oldest trick in the book and that kind of racket is around for thousands of years now.

Dr.
Marshall Masters (the guy who controls Yowusa) has done this
crap before, as part of the Millennium Group trying to scare
people about Comet Lee. He's an old pro at selling things
through fear:
[link to www.2012hoax.org]
[link to yowcrooks.wordpress.com]
[link to www.skepdic.com]
 Quoting: DrPostman


Here somone just posted another example:

Thread: Survive PX, solar flares, nukes, 2012, ect. in luxury comfort. $50,000

By far the most "professional" i've seen by now. Smart thing, they don't even put out the end of the world hoaxes themself, they just refer to the plenty that are already around.
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The Chandler Wobble IS perfectly ordinary when it goes FORWARD. However, over 2005-2006 it went backward. Now these are massive forces here, but still it's like a spinnng top with a wobble having that wobble go backwards. It is counterintuitive to consider that normal, though as Menow has pointed out, we don't know for certain that it's never done that.
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It has. In 1920 and 1850.
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You obviously don't realize how many amateur astronomers photograph the sun on a regular basis. Here are a few thousand photographs taken by users of Corondao solar telescopes...

[link to www.coronadofilters.com]

No px in sight.

I was thinking about to get one of these (if I ever have that kind of money to spare) ... I more would like a telescope to watch planets and stuff, but light pollution here is to big to do something useful with it.
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Not really. The major planets are so bright that they can be seen even in major light pollution. With a GOTO telescope, the brighter planets can even be seen in broad daylight. Now, deep sky stuff is another matter.
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Not really. The major planets are so bright that they can be seen even in major light pollution. With a GOTO telescope, the brighter planets can even be seen in broad daylight. Now, deep sky stuff is another matter.
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Cool ... didn't know that ... when the time (and especially the money) comes I should join the local astronomers club before I buy the wrong equipment.
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The video by Nibirushock2012 purports to be of several South Pole Telescope images.
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Funny, since the South Pole Telescope (SPT) is not a visual scope at all. It's a sub-millimeter radiotelescope.
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Not really. The major planets are so bright that they can be seen even in major light pollution. With a GOTO telescope, the brighter planets can even be seen in broad daylight. Now, deep sky stuff is another matter.

Cool ... didn't know that ... when the time (and especially the money) comes I should join the local astronomers club before I buy the wrong equipment.
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Absolutely! I always advise that. I've seen so many people go out and buy junk and then regret that they didn't seek advice before laying out their hard-earned money.
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Funny, since the South Pole Telescope (SPT) is not a visual scope at all. It's a sub-millimeter radiotelescope.
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They need one like this to Trek Planet X because lately it is cloaked by a Romulan cloaking device. Real sneaky sneak that smart Planet.
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Not really. The major planets are so bright that they can be seen even in major light pollution. With a GOTO telescope, the brighter planets can even be seen in broad daylight. Now, deep sky stuff is another matter.

Cool ... didn't know that ... when the time (and especially the money) comes I should join the local astronomers club before I buy the wrong equipment.
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Here's an interesting article about viewing Venus in daylight.

[link to www.fourmilab.ch]
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The video by Nibirushock2012 purports to be of several South Pole Telescope images.


Funny, since the South Pole Telescope (SPT) is not a visual scope at all. It's a sub-millimeter radiotelescope.
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Another example of Clare's assumptions based on bad information.
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The video by Nibirushock2012 purports to be of several South Pole Telescope images.


Funny, since the South Pole Telescope (SPT) is not a visual scope at all. It's a sub-millimeter radiotelescope.


Another example of Clare's assumptions based on bad information.
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What’s interesting to me is that Planet X can be approaching earth from the south and can only be viewed from the south pole, yet it is also hanging out around the sun in a game of hide and seek.
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Is this for real ???

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning. The rules have not changed, but the format has. Before you post your question, research www.zetatalk.com. If you cannot find an answer, then post your question here. Any moderator or member who is aware of the quote and location can point the way.
 Quoting: Cheryl Nelson


For those who have been attending the ZetaTalk Live chats on GLP, here's a little history for you on the switch. Trinity and I remain fast friends. My email to Trinity:

May 17, 2010

We've been running a live chat with the Zetas since Nov 12, 2005. First on the GLP radio and then a long and often contentious thread each week. Actually, typing is better for me as I have an instant transcript to put on the ZT website then, less work overall for me. You and the GLP setup allowed me to hold these chats, where otherwise it would have been impossible. Back in the old days, late 90's, we held IRC chats and those sent forth to disrupt me would kick me off the network and when I would try to get back on, someone else would be signed on as Nancy and chatting away. So had to stop. But the GLP warriors were strong enough that such a forum was possible, and making me a mod gave me all the firepower I needed to keep the thread clean. I ban away and release them the next morning, so the pages with relevant Q&A are clean for Sunday readers, and that's worked out well.

An old friend of mine, who has been with ZT as a fan since the very start in 1995, started a ning last August [link to poleshift.ning.com] and though it took off slowly, by the holidays had attracted such a good group of people I was astonished. At that time, I was not linking to this ning from my site, so my assumption was that these good folk were somehow guided there. So I linked to Gerard's site and we quickly jumped to 400 members a couple months ago, now 1,100. Even months ago the number of unique visitors daily was around 6,000, with 40,000 for a week. It has proved to be a valuable place to gather data, like oops the Moon is not where it is supposed to be kind of stuff, though I still come to GLP daily for really breaking news and EXCELLENT analysis. So many bright people here.

Gerard has been pushing for months to get me to hold the chats on the ning, but having been burned on IRC I was leary of letting go of the GLP shield. But we have several mods over there and seem to be ahead of the onslaught of pill pushers, prostitutes, ZT naysayers, self promoting eogists, and Bible thumpers. Yes, we have a rule against religious sermons and only allow pole shift related prophecy from a religious source. So far, so good. I am considering moving my chats there, in a slightly different form. The older I get, the more being up on Saturday night past my bed time, typing away, gets tedious. Other than proving that I can do ZT on the spot, doing it live is also not that relevant either. I think the point has been made. So I am thinking of a weekly Q&A where questions are gathered and I pick only the worthy, and just post the answers once a week. The ning has so many ZT savvy people, that if a Q is just ignorant, the questioner gets pointed to the relevant ZT right off. As the Earth changes pick up and newcomers arrive, especially frightened, anxious newcomers, I find we are doing ZT 101 all the time. No quality time for the really good questions, thus.

This has several benefits for me. The idiot questions will be addressed by others so I don't have to address them. I can pre-write the answers and just post once a week. I can go to bed Saturday night with the chickens again (though I understand GLP chat could be held earlier too.) It is primarily the ability to take advantage of ZT savvy people there at the ning to do a lot of the work for me that is the appeal. Many who came to the ning thought we would be discussing the most recent GLP chat results in any case, as it is a forum where ZT fans can discuss without the japping dogs that are set upon me. This puts it all in one place, and that type of post-analysis will occur in friendly quarters.

I hope you are not upset by this decision. You have given me a platform that allowed the chats to HAPPEN, where otherwise they would not have been possible. For this, I am eternally grateful. Bless you, Trinity, and may you continue to fare well.
 Quoting: LIEDer


If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.
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Here's an interesting article about viewing Venus in daylight.

[link to www.fourmilab.ch]
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Thx ... just checked the prize of a telescope ... too much for me now ... but some day sooner or later i'll get one.
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]


If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.
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It certainly sounds like Nancy. It sounds like she is looking for friendlier confines where she doesn’t have people introducing all those pesky facts and confronting her with all that annoying logic.
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning.

If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.
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being on a personal crusade with Nancy, eh?

poop
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning.

If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.


being on a personal crusade with Nancy, eh?

poop
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Yes, it sounds like he is trying to clean up her shit instead of eating it up Andrew.
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being on a personal crusade with Nancy, eh?

poop
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If she is off here not anymore ... I hope you will fuck off , too. Enjoy your insane asylum at the poleshift.ning wankerboy, none of us debunkers will bother you guys there (well, I can't speak for all, but I can speak for me, I might be reading your crap-opera once in a while to have a laugh maybe, but sure wont post there (would be wasted time as she would delete the post and the account immediately)).

And BTW: I now officially have a better accuracy track record for my predictions than Nancy will ever have, as I predicted this switch over to the ning would happen soon about a few hundred pages back in our immensly popular and glorious debunker thread (thx to TLR for openeing this thread)).
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning. The rules have not changed, but the format has. Before you post your question, research www.zetatalk.com. If you cannot find an answer, then post your question here. Any moderator or member who is aware of the quote and location can point the way.

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Yep. Now Nancy can rule with an iron hand, and has a new band of thugs to enforce the rules against expression of disbelief in any pronouncement of "truth" she might make.
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Looks like Clare has bailed out.
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning. The rules have not changed, but the format has. Before you post your question, research www.zetatalk.com. If you cannot find an answer, then post your question here. Any moderator or member who is aware of the quote and location can point the way.


For those who have been attending the ZetaTalk Live chats on GLP, here's a little history for you on the switch. Trinity and I remain fast friends. My email to Trinity:

May 17, 2010

We've been running a live chat with the Zetas since Nov 12, 2005. First on the GLP radio and then a long and often contentious thread each week. Actually, typing is better for me as I have an instant transcript to put on the ZT website then, less work overall for me. You and the GLP setup allowed me to hold these chats, where otherwise it would have been impossible. Back in the old days, late 90's, we held IRC chats and those sent forth to disrupt me would kick me off the network and when I would try to get back on, someone else would be signed on as Nancy and chatting away. So had to stop. But the GLP warriors were strong enough that such a forum was possible, and making me a mod gave me all the firepower I needed to keep the thread clean. I ban away and release them the next morning, so the pages with relevant Q&A are clean for Sunday readers, and that's worked out well.

An old friend of mine, who has been with ZT as a fan since the very start in 1995, started a ning last August [link to poleshift.ning.com] and though it took off slowly, by the holidays had attracted such a good group of people I was astonished. At that time, I was not linking to this ning from my site, so my assumption was that these good folk were somehow guided there. So I linked to Gerard's site and we quickly jumped to 400 members a couple months ago, now 1,100. Even months ago the number of unique visitors daily was around 6,000, with 40,000 for a week. It has proved to be a valuable place to gather data, like oops the Moon is not where it is supposed to be kind of stuff, though I still come to GLP daily for really breaking news and EXCELLENT analysis. So many bright people here.

Gerard has been pushing for months to get me to hold the chats on the ning, but having been burned on IRC I was leary of letting go of the GLP shield. But we have several mods over there and seem to be ahead of the onslaught of pill pushers, prostitutes, ZT naysayers, self promoting eogists, and Bible thumpers. Yes, we have a rule against religious sermons and only allow pole shift related prophecy from a religious source. So far, so good. I am considering moving my chats there, in a slightly different form. The older I get, the more being up on Saturday night past my bed time, typing away, gets tedious. Other than proving that I can do ZT on the spot, doing it live is also not that relevant either. I think the point has been made. So I am thinking of a weekly Q&A where questions are gathered and I pick only the worthy, and just post the answers once a week. The ning has so many ZT savvy people, that if a Q is just ignorant, the questioner gets pointed to the relevant ZT right off. As the Earth changes pick up and newcomers arrive, especially frightened, anxious newcomers, I find we are doing ZT 101 all the time. No quality time for the really good questions, thus.

This has several benefits for me. The idiot questions will be addressed by others so I don't have to address them. I can pre-write the answers and just post once a week. I can go to bed Saturday night with the chickens again (though I understand GLP chat could be held earlier too.) It is primarily the ability to take advantage of ZT savvy people there at the ning to do a lot of the work for me that is the appeal. Many who came to the ning thought we would be discussing the most recent GLP chat results in any case, as it is a forum where ZT fans can discuss without the japping dogs that are set upon me. This puts it all in one place, and that type of post-analysis will occur in friendly quarters.

I hope you are not upset by this decision. You have given me a platform that allowed the chats to HAPPEN, where otherwise they would not have been possible. For this, I am eternally grateful. Bless you, Trinity, and may you continue to fare well.


If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.
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It is true and the feeling is mutual.
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Nancy couldn't take the heat. Now, she can just pontificate all she wants to her brain-dead sheep without anyone bringing up those pesky facts that prove her wrong.
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Nancy couldn't take the heat. Now, she can just pontificate all she wants to her brain-dead sheep without anyone bringing up those pesky facts that prove her wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 558013


You know... I bet there is a significant percentage of people who will miss the debunkers calling bullshit on Nancy. They might tend to believe some of what Nancy says, but were not confident enough to raise questions on the parts they didn't believe. They could always count on us debunkers to stand up and raise valid questions about what Nancy was saying. No more... they will have to sit back and watch the circle-jerk of blind agreement proceed uninterrupted.
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Debunkers win again !!! Complete success !!!!!

Let's celebrate !!!
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 974006


I just visited the poleshift site linked above. Have you folks read the first two rules of the site?

1. No debunking and disruption. Debunking and disruption will lead to a ban.
2. The existence of Planet X and ZetaTalk are not debatable.


Are you kdding me? This is like saying no logic allowed. It is a plea for bunk.

<shaking head>

Wow! This explains Nancy's move!
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they will have to sit back and watch the circle-jerk of blind agreement proceed uninterrupted.
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I expect this to be very entertaining to watch !
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]



I just visited the poleshift site linked above. Have you folks read the first two rules of the site?

1. No debunking and disruption. Debunking and disruption will lead to a ban.
2. The existence of Planet X and ZetaTalk are not debatable.


Are you kdding me? This is like saying no logic allowed. It is a plea for bunk.

<shaking head>

Wow! This explains Nancy's move!
 Quoting: Setheory 869850


That was Nancy's original intent at the old TT-watch. She just called it 'disruption' there. It means you cannot question anything she says. It's just a little more blatantly stated on the ning.
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I've been reluctant to link to that Poleshift Ning.

In my experience, linking to or even writing the name of websites that engage in discussing certain specific allegations about Godlikeproductions results in a an automatic ban here.

Is this ning getting a pass because of Nancy's involvement?

If so, why has she been involved in discussions bashing GLP over there if she's a mod here?

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