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Looking over this thread the last couple of days, all I see is the debunkers bringing forth one reference and fact after another and Clare only dancing around everything with ridiculous new age mumbo-jumbo. PX either exists and manifests itself in observable and testable ways or it is purely imaginary. Thus far, not a single shred of evidene for its existance has been give except the laughable schtick of Clare claiming that maybe we can't ever "know" anything. What a crock of shit!


Clare, you've made an admirable attempt...at least better than any other bunker to date. But the fact remains that you have brought forth not the first scintilla of evidence for any reasonable person to even entertain the thought that px may exist as claimed by Nancy.

Case closed.
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And, Clare, you're throwing around the concept of "radical doubt" but you're hardly applying it consistently.

Your bias towards favoring the tenets of the PX myth are glaringly obvious.

It still seems apparent to me that at some level the PX Myth appeals to you and that predisposition is interfering with your ability to examine this issue rationally.
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However, I hope no-one here -- NO-ONE -- is a shill in any way.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744

That's not the point. What you "hope" is irrelevant.
But only they know. And sometimes -- if unpaid but encouraged into a role -- even people functioning as agents of a cause don't know they are.
 Quoting: Mclarek

So now I'm an unpaid disinfo agent? Is that it? What's my motivation then? Better yet, why would a disinfo agent, paid or not, be willing to show live unedited video of the sky at the risk of exposing something that was supposed to remain hidden? Even one of Nancy's most radical supporters is unwilling to go that far; either he's lying about having a telescope, or by his own admission he's censoring results he doesn't like.

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I am the only one who signs their notes with a real name.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744


And some of us have learned the hard way what happens to a skeptic in this discussion who uses a real name.

Being compared to Mussolini being a rather mild outcome.
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However, I hope no-one here -- NO-ONE -- is a shill in any way.

That's not the point. What you "hope" is irrelevant.

But only they know. And sometimes -- if unpaid but encouraged into a role -- even people functioning as agents of a cause don't know they are.

So now I'm an unpaid disinfo agent? Is that it? What's my motivation then?
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Apparently she's not applying any Radical Doubt to GLP shill dogma.

There definitively ARE "shills" and people even are unknowingly manipulated into such roles.
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You mean these SOHOs ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

And btw, I see nancy still has the Kid A images online:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

In case you don't know ... Kid A hoaxed these pictures and sent them to nancy and she bought it. Kid A then came clear that he was faking the images. Happened all here on GLP a few years back ... the thread where Kid A admitts it was then deleted as far as I know.
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Damn oh damn oh damn!

I had the whole reply typed out and my browser had a problem.

EEEEEK!

And it's late now.

Yes, there is a lot of dross with possible interesting stuff, on the ZT pages.

And re. SOHOs, yes.

The page re. Pixel Flare are:
[link to yowcrooks.wordpress.com]

The info on the Vatican images came via Barbato, who was investigated by Scantamburlo, who was interviewed in English on Project Camelot at [link to projectcamelot.org]

The confirmation of the meaning of "SVS" on the image printed onto film for Barbato, which even Barbato didn't know, was through the kind answer by Zagami, who does not believe in PX, but was interviewed on his life by Project Camelot, at [link to projectcamelot.org]

Project Camelot is another mixed bag of good and not good information. But it does raise issues and have interesting people on it.

Now to look up Barbato's original magazine disclosure of the images, in English, was a bit tough. I did find:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

And for the overview a whole site, and even videos:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Hope this helps.
It's a lot of listening and learning, but if PX is out there, it's worth it.

By the way, re. telescope filters (beautiful images, on those links, by the way!), how big would the earth be in one of them? Near a speck of dust? A period? A coin?

Clare
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You mean these SOHOs ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


I forgot to put in the nicce comparison links on anomalies and pixel problems which links fom Menow povided, after a few clicks (thanks, Menow), but which show nothing comparable:

[link to web.archive.org]

... and particularly the folowing:

[link to web.archive.org]

Bye. :)

Happy hunting. I know it's a lot of listening and reading. I did it 2-3 months ago.
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Be a detective. Check out ALL leads, is my motto.

Not one that you are following. I posted several links
about Velikovsky and you seem to have ignored them.





For you to go back to lunar rotation is silly, to me. I have said all the evidence about stoppage and rotation wobbles and so on is faulty, as far as I can tell, and you all, as well, have presented.

It's only silly because you dodged it. The Moon rotates
on it's own axis as this animated gif illustrates. Nancy
is flat out wrong:
:Moonspin:

Didn't see it. Where?

That really tears it. You expect us to wade through your
very verbose posts and yet you won't pay attention to multiple
posters pointing out that the pause (there was no backward
movement) has happened several times in the past. But for
the sake of clarity here is what you claim to have missed:
Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 528)
 Quoting: DrPostman


Oh and many many posts you guys all put up I have to go through.

Fyi: the "verbosity" is clarity. Sometimes things have to be spelled out and worked through. Be a scholar!

AND the fact is, you people tend to reply off the cuff, so I have to repeat myself.

I am being generous and civil. I am bound to miss something posted from time to time. So cut the crap.

Okay, so anyway, thank you.

I didn't dodge it, by the way. In one of my posts I said, the moon rotates. And my point is -- and this was the reason for the whole picayune issue you brought up -- that Nancy can get something wrong like this and still have been making another point.

She was trying, in the ZT I was witness to on the subject, anyway, to talk of how rotation stoppage on the Earth wouldn't make us fly off. Then she compared it to stopping the Moon, but made this mistake in the process of the fact that the face faces us and someone picked on her for the mistake about the moon technically rotating. Her point was still, in spirit of the meaning she was emphasizing, accurate about the face.

So what's the big deal? She got that wrong. This has little to do with figuring out if PX has any evidence, except if you want to take all of Nancy's comments/Zeta comments ... or to suggest that because she didn't know something, everything else is moot.

My point stands. This is a side issue. But it's interesting in its own right. I think Nancy is so worried, as I've sad before, that she speeds through information and makes mistakes. You guys do: your objections, and objections to objections, are sometimes un-critical, un-careful. For instance, some of you considered someone's claim of hoaxing sufficient to actually prove a hoax.

It took more to prove a hoax. We have been over that, and it does seem to have been an image hoax, if the images by Nibirushock2012 have to look like that image you or someone else put the link to.

But the former, off-the-cuff retort about "he said he did it so he did", in effect, was NOT complete. And then the further sblacking when I pointed that out -- as though I snap to conspiracy theorizing out of hand, and am not a careful thinker, when everything I say (your "verbosity" misnomer) shows I am.

Conspiracies are normal. But they are not a catch-all, as Nancy seems to use them.

Let that be the end of that silliness, as regards your general tone impugning my own care in pushing for real answers from you.
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As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

It is on a rotation around the earth -- my image was correct of a doll on a pole, rotating around your waist in its own speed, while you rotate on your own axis more quickly.

Relative to the earth's centre, it rotates, instead of staying always over the same spot of the earth.

Nancy didn't know this finer point, but her points as I witnessed them were due to talking of spinning on an axis anyway.

Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.
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And DON'T misinterpret me in my last post: when I said you insist on specific information inappropriately I didn't mean that insisting on it IN PRINCIPLE is bad, just to miss a point being made because something ancillary to the point is wrong, is idiotic.

Correct her on the Moon, yes (or try! -- I think she doesn't get this image clear in her mind about rotation relative to our axis) ... but don't conflate it with the point she was still making, about the Moon on its own polar or self-referential axis, which does not rotate.

In total, it has spun and its axis over space will turn, but not ON THE SPOT within its orbit as the Earth does.

That's the point.
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As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

It is on a rotation around the earth -- my image was correct of a doll on a pole, rotating around your waist in its own speed, while you rotate on your own axis more quickly.

Relative to the earth's centre, it rotates, instead of staying always over the same spot of the earth.

Nancy didn't know this finer point, but her points as I witnessed them were due to talking of spinning on an axis anyway.

Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744


Don't ya think?

Isn't specific knowledge a little better than Nancy and the zeta crap?

Where does one draw the line between reality and common sense and pure fantasy and lies?

Clare, seriously,, pull your head out of Nancy's (zetas) ass and think.

Do research. it isn't hard to do. Once you pull your head out of Nancy (zeta) ass and then you might start to think.
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Looking over this thread the last couple of days, all I see is the debunkers bringing forth one reference and fact after another and Clare only dancing around everything with ridiculous new age mumbo-jumbo. PX either exists and manifests itself in observable and testable ways or it is purely imaginary. Thus far, not a single shred of evidene for its existance has been give except the laughable schtick of Clare claiming that maybe we can't ever "know" anything. What a crock of shit!


Clare, you've made an admirable attempt...at least better than any other bunker to date. But the fact remains that you have brought forth not the first scintilla of evidence for any reasonable person to even entertain the thought that px may exist as claimed by Nancy.

Case closed.
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I responded with items which have not been answered fully yet, and answered more honestly than the debunkers on things like hoax claims not being bedrock of logical proof of hoaxes.

Only the German fellow is taking me up on the bigger questions.

However, the SPT images seem in fact to be hoaxed, if the SPT images must look like the image linked to by someone (I forget who now).

And no-one has handled the holes of repulsion in the magnetosphere at the wrong time (when the Sun attracts) either.

Any takers?

And I have been absolutely consistent in acknowledging all points and pointing out when they do and when they don't add up.

For instance, the SOHO images have no corollary "flares" on any of Menow's pages.

So, how does that add up to "the debunkers have given ideas" and I "just haven't acknowledged they were superior at all of it"?

Hm?

Not true.

This discussion is not closed, at all, or you will have fallen into error. Not so much about PX itself necessarily: it may turn out all the points I raised are debunkable, but not all have been yet.

Have a great day though. Thanks for the partial personal compliment, however. It is decent of you and you deserve one back. Now keep checking ... it's not proven one way or another yet.
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As to the rotation, you idiot!
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Look who's talking.

Anyone who claims that the Moon doesn't rotate around its axis (which is what the word spinning means) is either ignorant, deluded, or a liar.

Take your pick.
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Here's a question, Clare.

How can you believe Nancy (zetas) after just one lie?

How about two lies?

Three lies would be enough for any sane person to seriously question ones belief system.

I have an idea,

How about Nancy (zetas) start telling the truth.

oh wait,, I don't think that is possible,,

Nancy (zetas) are known liers.

And what is the zetas mighty message for all humanity?

It's the message that really sucks. I'm glad Nancy (zetas) are nothing but frauds and liers.

God help us all if Nancy (zetas) would be our emissary.

My God, what would we do if the earth was halted in orbit for years and every preception of reality was just zetas and Nancy calling the shots?

I laugh and the foolishness of zetatalk.

I cry for the fools that believe in it.
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As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

It is on a rotation around the earth -- my image was correct of a doll on a pole, rotating around your waist in its own speed, while you rotate on your own axis more quickly.

Relative to the earth's centre, it rotates, instead of staying always over the same spot of the earth.

Nancy didn't know this finer point, but her points as I witnessed them were due to talking of spinning on an axis anyway.

Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744



So, yes or no, does the Moon rotate on its axis? Best bone up on your third grade astronomy, kid.
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Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I wonder how much longer she will continue to post here even, the control freak in her seems to be settling in at the ning quite well and her control here seems to be slipping away from her (which she wouldn't be liking in the least....)
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Is this for real ???

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning. The rules have not changed, but the format has. Before you post your question, research www.zetatalk.com. If you cannot find an answer, then post your question here. Any moderator or member who is aware of the quote and location can point the way.


For those who have been attending the ZetaTalk Live chats on GLP, here's a little history for you on the switch. Trinity and I remain fast friends. My email to Trinity:

May 17, 2010

We've been running a live chat with the Zetas since Nov 12, 2005. First on the GLP radio and then a long and often contentious thread each week. Actually, typing is better for me as I have an instant transcript to put on the ZT website then, less work overall for me. You and the GLP setup allowed me to hold these chats, where otherwise it would have been impossible. Back in the old days, late 90's, we held IRC chats and those sent forth to disrupt me would kick me off the network and when I would try to get back on, someone else would be signed on as Nancy and chatting away. So had to stop. But the GLP warriors were strong enough that such a forum was possible, and making me a mod gave me all the firepower I needed to keep the thread clean. I ban away and release them the next morning, so the pages with relevant Q&A are clean for Sunday readers, and that's worked out well.

An old friend of mine, who has been with ZT as a fan since the very start in 1995, started a ning last August [link to poleshift.ning.com] and though it took off slowly, by the holidays had attracted such a good group of people I was astonished. At that time, I was not linking to this ning from my site, so my assumption was that these good folk were somehow guided there. So I linked to Gerard's site and we quickly jumped to 400 members a couple months ago, now 1,100. Even months ago the number of unique visitors daily was around 6,000, with 40,000 for a week. It has proved to be a valuable place to gather data, like oops the Moon is not where it is supposed to be kind of stuff, though I still come to GLP daily for really breaking news and EXCELLENT analysis. So many bright people here.

Gerard has been pushing for months to get me to hold the chats on the ning, but having been burned on IRC I was leary of letting go of the GLP shield. But we have several mods over there and seem to be ahead of the onslaught of pill pushers, prostitutes, ZT naysayers, self promoting eogists, and Bible thumpers. Yes, we have a rule against religious sermons and only allow pole shift related prophecy from a religious source. So far, so good. I am considering moving my chats there, in a slightly different form. The older I get, the more being up on Saturday night past my bed time, typing away, gets tedious. Other than proving that I can do ZT on the spot, doing it live is also not that relevant either. I think the point has been made. So I am thinking of a weekly Q&A where questions are gathered and I pick only the worthy, and just post the answers once a week. The ning has so many ZT savvy people, that if a Q is just ignorant, the questioner gets pointed to the relevant ZT right off. As the Earth changes pick up and newcomers arrive, especially frightened, anxious newcomers, I find we are doing ZT 101 all the time. No quality time for the really good questions, thus.

This has several benefits for me. The idiot questions will be addressed by others so I don't have to address them. I can pre-write the answers and just post once a week. I can go to bed Saturday night with the chickens again (though I understand GLP chat could be held earlier too.) It is primarily the ability to take advantage of ZT savvy people there at the ning to do a lot of the work for me that is the appeal. Many who came to the ning thought we would be discussing the most recent GLP chat results in any case, as it is a forum where ZT fans can discuss without the japping dogs that are set upon me. This puts it all in one place, and that type of post-analysis will occur in friendly quarters.

I hope you are not upset by this decision. You have given me a platform that allowed the chats to HAPPEN, where otherwise they would not have been possible. For this, I am eternally grateful. Bless you, Trinity, and may you continue to fare well.


If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.
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Hmm- and a bit later I gave her 2-3 months before deserting GLP for the ning

Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????
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Hmm- and a bit later I gave her 2-3 months before deserting GLP for the ning

Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????
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You can be sure about that. It was just a question of time ... she waited until ning was a bit crowded (about 1200 members now, only a few regular posters though (less than 30 regular posters is my guess). With the ning it's much like with every other social networking site. There are tons of nings about all thinkable topics (art, music, whatever, hundreds of them). So when an ning member surfs the ning site and sees the poleshift.ning and thinks "might be interesting, lets join" it's one click to join ... and a few days later they might already have forgotten that they joined but still show up as members. If you look at their posts there it's really only a few Members that post regular ... and those drink every cup goo Nancy serves.

At the ning she has much more control. First it wont be live chat. So she can think longer about what goo she babbles as answer to the questions (Nancy and think, that should be an oxymoran ?). Second she has a crown of mods there, most are older women with no life of their own like Cheryl Nelson who police the ning every waking hour. So "disruptions" will be deleted and banned in no time. Here on GLP this is a bit tougher and because people can post as AC on GLP without the annoying registration there are much more people posting stuff she won't like in her saturday chat. On the ning you have to register and someone who would like to throw in a random BS-flag wont go to that trouble I guess, just for being banned at once.

I think Dr. Postman hit the nail. 2012 is getting closer each passing day and there is not a sincle sign of PX so GLP will get hotter for her each passing week (and also for the other 2012-tards). But the hardcore-believers at the ning will not even question a timeline.

They will buy everything Nancy says ... just look at this one for example:

a couple nights ago, i woke up from the strangest dream. my dreams always seem so real and have so much detail...



Gerard, Cheryl, Brian and I were in a car... Gerard was driving us to this place... it was like a scavanger hunt that we were doing... (all laughing and excited about this) we ended up at this open land. Filled with people... Someone on a megaphone said, "Welcome to our first annual meeting in tribute to Nancy". So many people to around. After a while us four entered back in the car and started driving again... this time we ended up at this house it wastnt in a forest, but had evergreen trees around there was open land every where... the drive way area was long and this house had a huge front lawn. We finally walk that long drive and enter this white panel house with dark trim. When we get inside, there read a sign that said that it was Nancy Lieder's house and that it was turned in to a museum in tribute to her... it was a one level house filled with books, newspapers and alien paraphenalia... by this time it was night... after looking thru the museum, we ended up driving back to this open field site. by the time we arrived, it was day time... we had to enter the armed guarded site which was finced with heavy steal bars that were painted a sky blue... we each had a skeleton key that we had to use as well as pass thru the guard to open the gate with our key...
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No idea what they are drinking.
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Hmm- and a bit later I gave her 2-3 months before deserting GLP for the ning
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So you did, on page 501 you wrote this:

I still think that she will shortly abandon Godlike entirely for the ning only (at least until she kills it like all the other blogs she has started over the years)

Even with mod powers here, she simply can't control other people posting like she can at the ning

and we have all seen how important that total control seems to be to her...

(altho I noticed the `let it wave' one has been a bit uppity there and here, he had better beware, nancy does NOT like sharing the limelight with others)
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Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????
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Sure does.
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Planet X shows up again:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Nibiru(or Tail) was visible during a solar eclipse in Russia, 1 of August 2008. Just found this.
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Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????


Sure does.
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you know what this means dont ya????
Debunkers...



















RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

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As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

 Quoting: mclarek 971744


Yes, Clare, the moon does indeed rotate about its own axis. This is born about by the phases of the moon which indicate that for an observer standing on the surface of the moon, the sun and stars cross the sky just as they do on the earth, only slower. Likewise, if the earth were to suddenly disappear, the moon would continue to orbit the sun in a 365 day orbit, ROTATING on its own axis every 29 days.
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Looking over this thread the last couple of days, all I see is the debunkers bringing forth one reference and fact after another and Clare only dancing around everything with ridiculous new age mumbo-jumbo. PX either exists and manifests itself in observable and testable ways or it is purely imaginary. Thus far, not a single shred of evidene for its existance has been give except the laughable schtick of Clare claiming that maybe we can't ever "know" anything. What a crock of shit!


Clare, you've made an admirable attempt...at least better than any other bunker to date. But the fact remains that you have brought forth not the first scintilla of evidence for any reasonable person to even entertain the thought that px may exist as claimed by Nancy.

Case closed.


I responded with items which have not been answered fully yet, and answered more honestly than the debunkers on things like hoax claims not being bedrock of logical proof of hoaxes.

Only the German fellow is taking me up on the bigger questions.

However, the SPT images seem in fact to be hoaxed, if the SPT images must look like the image linked to by someone (I forget who now).

And no-one has handled the holes of repulsion in the magnetosphere at the wrong time (when the Sun attracts) either.

Any takers?

And I have been absolutely consistent in acknowledging all points and pointing out when they do and when they don't add up.

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No, Clare, you are still avoiding the historical Chandler's Wobble data. Why?
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Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.
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That's called SCIENCE! It explains why it is superior to Nancy's bullshit; she can reinterpret anything she writes because it is so vague and meaningless. Don't you see, that's how her scam works!

Science requires PROOF before an idea is accepted. There is currently nothing to debunk with regards to Planet X, because there is NO evidence that it exists. You certainly haven't provided any.

You need also to explain how Nancy's Planet X can a)not be visible when everything else in the Solar System is, and b) how can it completely ignore all the laws of Nature that we observe affecting ALL other celestial objects.

You haven't even reached first base yet! you have just swallowed the crap.
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I am being generous and civil. I am bound to miss something posted from time to time. So cut the crap.


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No you are not. You are yet another in a long line of pathetic ZetaTalk trolls. You will NEVER accept that Planet X is bullshit because you are not interested in truth - preferring instead to live in your own little comfortable delusion.

You ignore the FUNDAMENTAL scientific issues that PROVE conclusively that Nancy's Planet X cannot exist (in this universe, with its currently observed laws of Nature), and choose to focus on insignificant semantic points. Typical bunker obfuscation.
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This thread will live on, especially as long as we can copy
the nonsense posted there and comment on it here.
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And you know that Nancy and some of her trolls will be reading here as well. They can't help themselves.
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I am being generous and civil. I am bound to miss something posted from time to time. So cut the crap.




No you are not. You are yet another in a long line of pathetic ZetaTalk trolls. You will NEVER accept that Planet X is bullshit because you are not interested in truth - preferring instead to live in your own little comfortable delusion.

You ignore the FUNDAMENTAL scientific issues that PROVE conclusively that Nancy's Planet X cannot exist (in this universe, with its currently observed laws of Nature), and choose to focus on insignificant semantic points. Typical bunker obfuscation.
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Agreed. The last few days on here has been a new age hoot! Clare's dancing around the facts has been quite entertaining. But it's growing very tiring now.
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Clare is exactly the same sort of troll Volar was. She may even be the same person.

Volar's downfall was pretending to have a telescope, when he clearly doesn't know a thing about them. I suspect Clare is merely Volar Rebooted; a sort of professional troll who adopts various personas and posting styles merely to harass and annoy.

This New Age 'I'm a philosopher and thus better than you' attitude of his/hers seems very familiar...

And as far as using a 'real' name?

Hi, I'm Eugene Miltdown Shirtbasket, Esq.

Trust me more now, lol?
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Good image to compare the SPT images.

Re. saying hoax, merely wanted to keep the line open because it doesn't OF ITSELF prove it was.

Your image suggests it was.

Good!


Re. Moon rotation: her point was it doesn't show a different face. Her examples show she's trying to say that. She clearly doesn't understand both can be true.

Cheers.


Ohh.... and Clare... Nancy says that Astronut is a lying government agent. Why would you believe what he just said? All you have to do is lump him in with all the other conspirators and you have your precious, overarching doubt fully intact again! YAY!


Astronut? I see.

Well. First, who knows if anyone's a shill. The term is bandied about a lot, but there are such people.

Second, Nancy clearly feels defensive. People do tend to suggest such things when they are.

As to my doubt: it is simply a mental exercise to remind me to keep going until certainties are clear and uncertainties on either side are also clear.

Sherlock Holmes was written to say, "When you've eliminated the impossible ..." Well, we have to be careful truly to eliminate what's impossible, not leave possibilities unacknowledged and merely off-the-cuff treat them as self-evident.

:)
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So you intend, now, to find a way to remove all possible doubt that Astronut is a lying governmant agent, bent on fooling you and covering up the existence of the PX thingy?

I guess you better start by sluething out his IP address and tracking him down at his home. Then, you can camp in a rental van for a few weeks and monitor his comings and goings to see if he has any meetings with his "handlers"... and that's just a start. Let us know how that goes, and when you have completely eliminated that as a possibility.

Heh.
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You mean these SOHOs ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


I forgot to put in the nicce comparison links on anomalies and pixel problems which links fom Menow povided, after a few clicks (thanks, Menow), but which show nothing comparable:

[link to web.archive.org]

... and particularly the folowing:

[link to web.archive.org]

Bye. :)

Happy hunting. I know it's a lot of listening and reading. I did it 2-3 months ago.
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You seem to have missed my point in offering those pages. YOU mentioned 2002 images which were somewhat compelling for you. I assumed you were talking about Nancy's 2002 imaging episode. I even asked you what OTHER 2002 images you might have been talking about. You didn't respond.

The POINT of those pages about Nancy's images was that she wholely misrepresented what was found in the images. No new planet or object of any kind was found at Nancy's coordinates, yet she skewed; distorted; misrepresented; falsified, and outright lied about the images. To this DAY Nancy claims that PX was imaged at her coordinates via those images. Her claim on that is demonstrably false.

This is how it has gone with every single astronomical claim Nancy has ever made and the 'evidence' she uses to uphold her claims. It's all FAKE!

ALL of it, Clare. Let me repeat it for you. Nancy's 'evidence' IS... ALL... FAKE...

ALLLLLLLLLLLL of it.

Get it? YET?
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Volar's downfall was pretending to have a telescope, when he clearly doesn't know a thing about them.
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What became of that btw ? I didn't follow that thread. Last time I checked he posted photos of a telescope in front of a white fence in a garden with a sign "Volars Telescope" or something like that pinned at the fence.

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