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Now, about my questions above...will you answer them or continue with your evasion?
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Also, you are continuing to evade the historical data on the Chandler Wobble. How telling.
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Clare doesn't seem to answer any questions put to her. I wonder why that is?


You wonder what?

I didn't notice.


Ok, here it is again...

At some point in the future, the earth will become tidally locked to the sun, as Mercury is now. That means that the earth, spinning at a rate of once every 24 hours now, will gradually slow to a rate of once every 365 days, so that one side will always be in sunlight and one side in darkness.

When it slows to one rotation every 10 days, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 100 days, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 365 days, is it still spinning? Yes or no?
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Thank you!

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The days are counted not only by the Earth's spin, but as it progresses relative to the Sun. (Two different issues: the Earth spinning faces relative to its forward path AND the Earth progressing ON that path.)

Now, if it stopped, RELATIVE TO US, the Moon would have only forward motion RELATIVE TO THE SUN. It then would have no axial rotation RELATIVE TO THE SUN as we move forward.

Any movement around us (spinning on its own axis path relative to US) ALSO gives a spin relative to the forward-orbit of the movement of our Earth-Moon system, which is relative to the Sun.

So yes, any movement relative to our days, because our days are ALSO forward relative to the Sun, also gives a Moon-spin relative to the Sun.

It is not the self-axis day-spin of the Earth which gives the Moon the spin; if the Earth were stopped and had only day-spin relative to the Sun (as shown in the original diagram), the Moon would not draw a spin but only a circle.

It is the TIME FORWARD on the orbit around the Sun which gives the Moon the spin in that context. That RELATIVITY.
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'Clare' wrote:

"I DO know what I know."

No. You don't. You're so unbelievably dense that even the things you *know* can't even escape the all-devouring gravity of your own singular stupidity.

Basic astronomy eludes you, and yet you persist in 'correcting' physical aspects of the universe which are obvious to most school-children and probably a few inquisitive mollusks.

Another Nancy shill, starring in the role of 'honest seeker of truth.' Do you think we haven't seen this act before?

These guys are much nicer than I am. I already know you're not going to say 'Gee, I was wrong, I can see my mistake now!'

That's not how Zetabots operate. So even civility is wasted on you.

Shill on, little shill!
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Another way to think about it. Let's say that the moon is not orbiting the earth, but is somehow hanging in space stationary at some distance from the earth, and it's rotating at some high rate...say once every 20 hours. We would see all sides of it every time it revolved and someone standing on its north pole would see the sky appear to be rotating around it. I don't think anyone would
Actually, for the "doesn't rotate" crowd, the question should be "What heavenly bodies *DO* rotate about an axis, and why?

Clare said that applied to bodies "not having an orbit", but she included Earth as falling under that definition. Whoops!


The Earth rotates about its axis


No, you said a self-spinning body is one "not having an orbit".


... because if it were fixed relative to the Sun (and the Sun is fixed relative to us and spins, so you could use it as your example) ...

IT WOULD STILL BE MOVING AS A BODY AROUND ITS CENTRE.


Gobbldygook. Nothing you just said is different when applied to the Moon.


Eliminate the forward movement (rotation path) of its axis relative to the fixed point of the Earth, and NO SPIN OF ITSELF OCCURS with the Moon.


Nonsense. If you stopped the Moon from orbiting Earth and held it suspended in space, we would then see all sides of it once a month.


Can we get this point?


See above. Your analogy fell apart. Time to change it again.


HOLY SHIT YOU MAKE YOURSELF DUMB! I HATE TO SAY IT BUT YOUR EGO IS SO BIG YOU CANNOT SEE.

Okay, Me-now. Honestly ... let's try again. Can you ever be wrong and admit it?
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Yes. You didn't answer my specific points. Why should I answer yours?

If you stopped the Earth from moving, and the Earth were fixed, which is what we're talking about, the Moon would not show all its sides.
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In that case the Moon would fly on in its orbit around the Sun, and we would see it rotate each 29 days.

There are 2 movements going on in this system: the Earth's rotation about its own axis AND the Moon's rotation about the Earth's axis, at different rates, by the way.
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You keep ignoring responses to the same points. The Moon does NOT rotate around the Earth. It ORBIT or REVOLVES around Earth, and it does NOT orbit around Earth's axis. Will you read it this time?

But the MOON IS NOT SPINNING!
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Your saying that does not make it true. How many times do we have to go around the same circle?

Second, if you DID suspend the Moon, the point would be fixed and in fact we'd leave it behind as we, with our spin about ourself, moved on on our forward, orbital path (a dual motion).
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And we would look back at the Moon in space and observe it to rotate once each 29 days.

The Moon has no such dual motion of spin and orbital forward momentum on the circular path.
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Of course it does. It rotates once each 29 days, as shown from your OWN example, just above.

This is why DrPostman's diagram showed it from the top, with the Earth stopped. But move about that circle, or move the Earth about (as it truly does, on a SPIN on its AXIS), and still see that anywhere YOU/THE EARTH goes -- relativity -- within the circle, or to stop the Earth as in the image, anywhere the MOON goes if you are fixed as in this image ... You cannot see the back of the Moon.
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No one is saying that we see the back of the Moon. Your latest rambling analogy fails.

DUUUH.


You really are Nancy, Clare. It's becoming more and more obvious.

That's why they stopped the Earth, but you could move the Earth in its circular self-spin and stop the Moon and ... NOPE! Same face of the Moon.
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Meaningless. You are simply manipulating the frame of reference to make your point.

AS LONG AS THE EARTH DOESN'T MOVE ITS AXIS OUT OF THE CIRCLE.

At that point, like the Sun, it would "see" all sides of the Moon as the Moon goes around its forward path.
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Which is the valid frame of reference, showing that the Moon does indeed rotate. You have just disproven your own claim.

If the Moon were spinning on its axis as it moved forward on its spin around the Earth's axis, the Sun would "see" (or shed light on) the faces of the Moon more quickly than the mere orbit currently does.

Are we there yet, about relative movements?
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Huh? The Sun "sees" the faces of the Moon at the rate of Lunar rotation, minus the effect of its one year solar orbit.

You are using "relative" frames of reference. They are not disputed as being accurate FROM THOSE FRAMES OF REFERENCE! Each time your example leaves those reference frames, your claims falls apart, yet you don't even know it. See above.
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You're continuing to evade the questions. They really are very simple yes/no answers. Is that too difficult for you?
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Also, you are continuing to evade the historical data on the Chandler Wobble. How telling.
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Again, cut the crap. I am 1/2 hour awy from having to leave from work and have been dealing with the other recent posts. Trying to help and share and deal with nastiness which justified itself as though it was in response to me particularly, when in fact I notice it seems to find a home with almost anything that comes its way.

Please re-post, for the 3rd time.

I hear there is previous backward-track motion from the decades before.

Love to see it; it would in fact be great.

Clare
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Clare:

This may illustrate what we are talking about better than the gif provided.

[link to www.enchantedlearning.com]

Does this help?


This claims it moves about its axis. Which it does, ON A PATH. It does not SPIN on its axis as it moves.

It is not spinning relative to its path.
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"Clare" has now fully retreated to saying that the Moon does not rotate relative to a frame of reference where the Moon does not rotate.

This is getting old, "Clare".
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Why should anyone re-post yet again, Clare?

I know where it is.

I can back up my browser.

Is that activity byoend you or just beneath you?
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You're continuing to evade the questions. They really are very simple yes/no answers. Is that too difficult for you?
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I answered.

It would continue to have a spin relative to the Sun.

You don't want WHY -- then fine.

Re-read please.

(The spin is due to a path forward of its orbital fixed point in the Earth's centre. It is only part of our "day" because our day is two things: the Earth's spin relative to its own forward motion AND the forward motion. Stop the latter and you have merely a fixed spinning Earth and a Moon circle. This is therefore a condition under which you can see that the "spin on its axis" is due only to the relativity of motion around the Sun, not to the Moon relative to its own path around the Earth.)

Off to work.
No claims that I "ran". Lol.

If anyone's charitable here ... hope they have a nice day.
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If the Moon were spinning on its axis as it moved forward on its spin around the Earth's axis, the Sun would "see" (or shed light on) the faces of the Moon more quickly than the mere orbit currently does.

Are we there yet, about relative movements?


Huh? The Sun "sees" the faces of the Moon at the rate of Lunar rotation, minus the effect of its one year solar orbit.

You are using "relative" frames of reference. They are not disputed as being accurate FROM THOSE FRAMES OF REFERENCE! Each time your example leaves those reference frames, your claims falls apart, yet you don't even know it. See above.
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I've already shown her that indeed, the sun phases of the moon progress faster than it's orbit around the earth. This was one of her conditions if the moon spun on its own axis, and about this point she is right, since it IS spinning on its own axis and this is exactly what is observed.
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Typical. 'Clare' spends more time explaing why she doesn't answer simple questions that she would simplying answering them.

But of course if 'she' replied the game would be over.
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You're continuing to evade the questions. They really are very simple yes/no answers. Is that too difficult for you?


I answered.

It would continue to have a spin relative to the Sun.

You don't want WHY -- then fine.

Re-read please.

(The spin is due to a path forward of its orbital fixed point in the Earth's centre. It is only part of our "day" because our day is two things: the Earth's spin relative to its own forward motion AND the forward motion. Stop the latter and you have merely a fixed spinning Earth and a Moon circle. This is therefore a condition under which you can see that the "spin on its axis" is due only to the relativity of motion around the Sun, not to the Moon relative to its own path around the Earth.)

Off to work.
No claims that I "ran". Lol.

If anyone's charitable here ... hope they have a nice day.
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No, you didn't answer each question. I didn't really expect you to since it would show you wrong.

Thanks.
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Why should anyone re-post yet again, Clare?

I know where it is.

I can back up my browser.

Is that activity byoend you or just beneath you?
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Can you not see how rushed I am and how much I have spent time here?

Perhaps I will have more time relative to my work day, later. When it's over.

If the fact that I have limited time AND a lot of posts confuses you, then so be it.

Like the Moon ... perhaps the fact that it has a NON-SPIN relative to the Earth but a SPIN relative to the orbital total path ...

is too much to handle.
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Just so there's no confusion about my use of the word "days" and the fact that we're discussing the rotation rate of the earth, I'll change it thusly:

At some point in the future, the earth will become tidally locked to the sun, as Mercury is now. That means that the earth, spinning at a rate of once every 24 hours now, will gradually slow to a rate of once every 8760 hours, so that one side will always be in sunlight and one side in darkness.

When it slows to one rotation every 240 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 2400 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 8760 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?
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Whoesver is interested in the truth -- even shocking possibly -- about our universe might like this:

[link to science.nasa.gov]

The stripe missing on Jupiter is NOT "normal" as first claimed.

Hm! Love these intriguing oddities. Always curious!

You too?
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You have once again evaded the information and questions regarding the historical CW data.
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And though Nancy doesn't understand these two things -- and I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IT, because most people were actually confusing forward momentum in a FIXED system, with SPIN in a FIXED system ...
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Again... you have been challenge to tell Nancy that she or "Zetas" didn't understand something about this. Remember, the "Zeta" claim is specific... it is that the Moon DOES NOT ROTATE.
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Just so there's no confusion about my use of the word "days" and the fact that we're discussing the rotation rate of the earth, I'll change it thusly:

At some point in the future, the earth will become tidally locked to the sun, as Mercury is now. That means that the earth, spinning at a rate of once every 24 hours now, will gradually slow to a rate of once every 8760 hours, so that one side will always be in sunlight and one side in darkness.

When it slows to one rotation every 240 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 2400 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 8760 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?
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Jerk.
It's spinning relative to orbiting the Sun if it circles the Earth AT ALL.

It is never spinning relative to the Earth, a perceptually fixed system upon which its spin relies but which only becomes an axial spin when one ADDS forward motion.

You could extrapolate that -- oh wait! I already said it. SPIN ALWAYS (relative to Sun) when FORWARD MOVEMENT (relative to Sun) in a circular (Moon) or fixed (Earth) axis relative to FORWARD MOVEMENT relative to Sun.

But take out forward movement, no spin. Thus, no spin relative to Earth, because its orbit and its axial orientation are consistent. As its Earth-orbit moves forward and to the right or left or straight, the Moon's axial orientation stays perpendicular to that new direction.
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You have once again evaded the information and questions regarding the historical CW data.
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I am running out the door.
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Whoesver is interested in the truth -- even shocking possibly -- about our universe might like this:

[link to science.nasa.gov]

The stripe missing on Jupiter is NOT "normal" as first claimed.

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Yes, it is.

[link to www.disclose.tv]

"It's not the first time the belt has disappeared - indeed, it happens every three to fifteen years. it last went missing in the early 1990s, and before that in 1973."

Again, Clare demonstrates her ignorance of astronomy and science.
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[link to www.newscientist.com]

"This is not the first time the south equatorial belt has disappeared. It was absent in 1973 when NASA's Pioneer 10 spacecraft took the first closeup images of the planet and also temporarily vanished in the early 1990s."

"The bands may normally appear dark simply because pale, high-altitude clouds prevalent in other regions of the planet are missing there, revealing darker clouds below, says Glenn Orton of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. "You're looking into different layers of the cloud structures of the planet," he told New Scientist."

"According to this theory, the south equatorial belt disappears when whitish clouds form on top of it, blocking our view of the darker clouds."
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Just so there's no confusion about my use of the word "days" and the fact that we're discussing the rotation rate of the earth, I'll change it thusly:

At some point in the future, the earth will become tidally locked to the sun, as Mercury is now. That means that the earth, spinning at a rate of once every 24 hours now, will gradually slow to a rate of once every 8760 hours, so that one side will always be in sunlight and one side in darkness.

When it slows to one rotation every 240 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 2400 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 8760 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?


Jerk.
It's spinning relative to orbiting the Sun if it circles the Earth AT ALL.

It is never spinning relative to the Earth, a perceptually fixed system upon which its spin relies but which only becomes an axial spin when one ADDS forward motion.

You could extrapolate that -- oh wait! I already said it. SPIN ALWAYS (relative to Sun) when FORWARD MOVEMENT (relative to Sun) in a circular (Moon) or fixed (Earth) axis relative to FORWARD MOVEMENT relative to Sun.

But take out forward movement, no spin. Thus, no spin relative to Earth, because its orbit and its axial orientation are consistent. As its Earth-orbit moves forward and to the right or left or straight, the Moon's axial orientation stays perpendicular to that new direction.
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Your further evasion is noted.
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Whoesver is interested in the truth -- even shocking possibly -- about our universe might like this:

[link to science.nasa.gov]

The stripe missing on Jupiter is NOT "normal" as first claimed.
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Sorry, Clare, no doom today. I very well remember the 1973 loss of the southern belt.
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Just so there's no confusion about my use of the word "days" and the fact that we're discussing the rotation rate of the earth, I'll change it thusly:

At some point in the future, the earth will become tidally locked to the sun, as Mercury is now. That means that the earth, spinning at a rate of once every 24 hours now, will gradually slow to a rate of once every 8760 hours, so that one side will always be in sunlight and one side in darkness.

When it slows to one rotation every 240 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 2400 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?

When it slows to one rotation every 8760 hours, is it still spinning? Yes or no?


Jerk.
It's spinning relative to orbiting the Sun if it circles the Earth AT ALL.

It is never spinning relative to the Earth, a perceptually fixed system upon which its spin relies but which only becomes an axial spin when one ADDS forward motion.

You could extrapolate that -- oh wait! I already said it. SPIN ALWAYS (relative to Sun) when FORWARD MOVEMENT (relative to Sun) in a circular (Moon) or fixed (Earth) axis relative to FORWARD MOVEMENT relative to Sun.

But take out forward movement, no spin. Thus, no spin relative to Earth, because its orbit and its axial orientation are consistent. As its Earth-orbit moves forward and to the right or left or straight, the Moon's axial orientation stays perpendicular to that new direction.



Your further evasion is noted.
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Clare, you didn't even read the question, did you. Nowhere in it is the moon mentioned. We're talking here about the EARTH itself.
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Clare likes to assume that she's the only busy person in the thread.

Bullshit. We're just able to do more than one thing at once. I've NEVER asked someone to re-post. That's just rude.

It's obvious, Clare-bear, that you're just stalling for time by pretending A) you don't remember the post and B) you're late, you're late, for a very important date!

I will give you this, though. Your Clare character is much more amusing that Volar.

He was a dick.
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Let me clarfy:
When astornomrs tals of the Moon spinning on its axis, they are conflating two meanings of "axis".
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Goody! I can't wait... Let the gobbdlygook begin!

One is the axis relative to a movement in forward system movement, as the Earth progresses with it, the Moon spins on its axis.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744


Yes, the Moon spins on its axis, even though it also has other motions. For how many pages have we been sayin this?

Relative to its path with the Earth, there is no spin.
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But you said 'spin' was determined relative to "fixed points". In what way is a 'path' a "fixed point"?

It is this path which I (and Nancy and your original diagram) were clarifying.
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Zero clarification of that was ever needed. NO ONE asserted that we see all sides of the Moon from Earth.

Relative to the Moon's own movement path, the Moon does not spin.
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Relative to the axis of its forward path around the Sun, it spins on its axis.
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No, relative to that path, the Moon would exibit some really complex cyclical gyrations, not a consistent 'spin' at all.

Clare
And yes, it's my name.
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And we should believe that, why? One of the people trying to show you things and has proof of who he is has still been attacked as a "fake astronomer" by Nancy's followers.
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I DO know what I know.
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Once again, so much for the previous "radical doubt."

Turns out you simply "do know what you know."
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I think everyone agrees that the moon is tidally locked so the same side is always facing the earth. However, this also means that it rotates once per lunar cycle. In other words one revolution around the earth = one rotation on its axis. If the moon didn’t rotate, then every part of the moon would face the earth at one point or another during a month.


Clare has ended up asserting that the Moon doesn't appear to rotate from a perspective which would follow it around, no matter where it might twist or turn or even ROTATE! How droll.


Your sarcasm is droll.

It twists and rotates relative to points.

Which point, is what we are talking of.
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No, you have lately come to say it doesn't rotate relative to a PATH.

It ROTATES relative to the Earth (the path where it faces and does not spin).
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Huh? You are making less and less sense as you attempt to defend your ever-decreasing logical pinhead.

It spins relative to the Sun, but only if you count forward-rotation of its centre point of path (the Earth's centre).
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How many times do you have to be told that the Moon does not orbit Earth's center and that The path of the Earth-Moon system is not even a circle or even a smooth elipse? It's considerably more complex that you seem to have grasped in your feeble attempt to put us in our place.

If you stop the system from moving relative to the Sun, and only have the Moon and Earth relative to the fixed Sun, and no forward total movement of the Earth-Moon system, the Moon does not spin on its orbit of the Earth, whether the Earth spins or not (as in your first diagram).
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Gobbldygook! You are trying to pick on some small inadequacy of that animation!

But the Moon does draw an axial spin on the EARTH ORBIT PATH FORWARD ... but not relative to its own forward motion.
 Quoting: mclarek 971744


MUST you be "right", Clare? Must you?

The Earth does BOTH: it spins on its axis relative to the forward motion around the Sun AND draws a circle of total forward axial momentum.
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The Moon rotates at the same rate as it orbits Earth. Nothing could be simpler. No about of struggling to insert 'relativity', on your part, can change that.
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Clare doesn't seem to answer any questions put to her. I wonder why that is?


You wonder what?

I didn't notice.

Re-post please. I will try to get to them when I get back from work.

(I say the latter so that the little worries and egos involved here don't jump on me for not answering for a few hours, as though I haven't shown that I try.)

But also, check if your issues are already answered within my posts.

I do not want to repeat.

That would make me "spin"!

Ha!

Clare
 Quoting: mclarek 971744


She doesn't want to repeat!!!

No irony meter yet created or even conceived could withstand the onslaught from that statement!

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