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also the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln.

can the ning get any loopier?
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I truly think my search for the most stupid people on earth ends right at this poleshift.ning.
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If the ning is truly the pinnacle of stupid, why isn't Clare presiding there now?
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fighter1 fighter1 fighter1

My question is...what is it about Nancy's story that is so compelling to some people that they completely give up all logic and reasoning in an attempt to "believe" it?
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broccoli

I know we have big cultural and religious differences but
I do not understand why so many educated Americans pay so much attention to PX, to the moon, to catastrophic events.

At this end-times you only need to be interested in restoring your Antakarana, your spiritual connection.
Without this, by this summer, you all are hopeless doomed.

broccoli

By the way!
Who is she?
Goddess Nancy?

fighter1 fighter1 fighter1
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t seems Nan can't stand not being the centre of attention on a larger scale than a cloistered echo chamber provides.
She doesn't like dissention but when she arranges a zeta concentration camp she finds it too dull.

She'll be back, along with her drones, spamming GLP with her latest words of wisdom and zetatalk.com and .ning links.

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Right on the money with that. She really needs the skeptics and debunkers to lend validity to her story and to keep the discussion going, don't see why she doesn't recognize that.

I also don't see here giving up the "live event" drama of the Saturday night sessions which have been going on for years. I don't see her going along with others answering questions for her, either.


And I inadvertently posted this on the ZetaTalk thread, but I was reading that .ning and all the GLP bashing in the discussion about the zetatalk location change.

Nancy is going to come on here on Saturday's and be allowed to redirect people to a site where they use the "T" word?

I still don't get it.
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ouch- I `predict' that several posters from the ning will join elle on a permanent camping trip....

as the new LIEder over there starts to swing the ban hammer with gay abandon...

(I can just see nancy's 6th class school report..)



`nancy tries hard,'
but seldom achieves any degree of scholastic achievement... Basic maths continues to be her weakest point, seldom getting past 1st year maths problems without making major mistakes.
She does not play well with others...
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My question is...what is it about Nancy's story that is so compelling to some people that they completely give up all logic and reasoning in an attempt to "believe" it?
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It's essentially the Flood Myth recycled for post-Christians so it appeals to many people on a non-rational level
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also the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln.


That's not a new claim by Nancy, actually.
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tisn't???

I saw the Joan of Arc and Mother Teresa `BFFIM' episodes- I wasn't aware she had also claimed Abe as well...

(do you have a link back to it- I need a good laugh...)
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t seems Nan can't stand not being the centre of attention on a larger scale than a cloistered echo chamber provides.
She doesn't like dissention but when she arranges a zeta concentration camp she finds it too dull.

She'll be back, along with her drones, spamming GLP with her latest words of wisdom and zetatalk.com and .ning links.




Right on the money with that. She really needs the skeptics and debunkers to lend validity to her story and to keep the discussion going, don't see why she doesn't recognize that.

I also don't see here giving up the "live event" drama of the Saturday night sessions which have been going on for years. I don't see her going along with others answering questions for her, either.


And I inadvertently posted this on the ZetaTalk thread, but I was reading that .ning and all the GLP bashing in the discussion about the zetatalk location change.

Nancy is going to come on here on Saturday's and be allowed to redirect people to a site where they use the "T" word?

I still don't get it.
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Nancy will create 'discussions' over here like this one with "Clare". She will then cherry-pick bits from it where Clare 'explains' things and will post them at the ning or Zetatalk, but she will ignore the rebuttals where "Clare" is shown to be quite wrong.

That's exactly what she did back in the sci.actro days.
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also the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln.


That's not a new claim by Nancy, actually.
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Funny how Nancy stated that he wouldn't even get the Democratic nomination.

Zetas wrong again!
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also the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln.


That's not a new claim by Nancy, actually.

tisn't???

I saw the Joan of Arc and Mother Teresa `BFFIM' episodes- I wasn't aware she had also claimed Abe as well...

(do you have a link back to it- I need a good laugh...)
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She claims Obama is the reincarnation of Lincoln. That's what we're talking about, right?


SOZT
Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many. Most Star Children recognize early that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama’s case, he was a walk-in during his teens, so was able to chose the body and life circumstances for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and mind sense a change, and seeks an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion that they have a new soul within.
EOZT

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Thread: Zetatalk: Obama was a "walk-in", and a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln!
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She claims Obama is the reincarnation of Lincoln. That's what we're talking about, right?



SOZT
Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many. Most Star Children recognize early that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama’s case, he was a walk-in during his teens, so was able to chose the body and life circumstances for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and mind sense a change, and seeks an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion that they have a new soul within.
EOZT



Thread: Zetatalk: Obama was a "walk-in", and a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln!
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jeez her insanity is growing day by day
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You have confused this total rotation with its axis always pointing in direction of motion, and happening to complete a circle instead of some other figure or straight line, with actual SPIN relative to its rotation, which would remain even if it were not moving forward.


One more note, to demonstrate that although "Clare" has been patiently corrected on her terminology, she persists in randomly mixing and matching terms in a confusing way. How can a body's 'spin' be relative to its 'rotation'? Since "Clare" will ignore this attempt at 'clar'-ification as she has done with all the others, it is a waste of time to attempt any discussion with her.

Clare is Nancy.
 Quoting: Menow 935048


Ridiculous as usual, Menow.

There are only so many terms for these things. Hence they are defined with other terms around them.

YOU have been corrected on your terms and usage.

The Moon rotates. It completes a rotation. The rotation accomplishes a turn. The turn (as with ANY motion) is relative to an axis. The axis here is consistent (not also re-orienting so much regarding the "y axis" of a graph).

However, since it remains ALWAYS FORWARD in relation to its rotational moveent (spin, rotation -- around the EARTH), it is not "proper" motion of spin on an axis. It is a result of NON-spin on its axis.

This is mathematical geometry. But since people use spin to refer to axes outside of the body (rotation around another axis) and axial rotation proper, YOU have been confused.

Anyone can see this if they think clearly -- and have taken geometry.

The point Nancy was making is that it does not turn on its own axis, properly speaking, when all forward movement is withdrawn from the mind-experiment, geometry.

The only reason there is the impression over space that it has movement on its axis, is that it moves forward in a turn.

The Earth has proper rotation about its axis: which means that even if it were not moving forward on its orbit, it would face different sides, relative to fixed points relative to it.

:)

Silly confusion you guys have on this. And I have covered where you got the idea -- from the astronomers -- who were not describing the rotation as if it were axial spin on its axis, which you silly refer to in total math confusion, but rather they confused a more complex thing, which is as it tracks in space, it really does seem to and is drawable as spinning on its axis, over the space of the rotation around the Sun, i.e., the 2nd forward movement of its rotational axis (the Earth's berymetric centre).

But again, here they are confusing pull from another axis, and what that forward movement does to total orientation of its own axis, vs. true self-proper axial rotation/spin/turn (self-proper is the point, not whether we call that rotation/spin/turn, though usually it's called spin).

Wake up; this is a simple point and you guys must draw the distinction: it is not that I am corrected on my terms; you are corrected on your terms AND UNDERSTANDING of the geometrical diferences which show proper spin on axis, vs. rotational total orientation.

All references are to axes. It's what KIND of reference the body is making. The focal point for the Moon is the Earth's barymetric centre, not its own axis. The axis moves forward and to the right, and completes a circle, and so it has what YOU called "spin", but it does not have proper spin, for without the movement forward and to the right, it is not spinning/rotating in its own right, like the Earth.

But yes, it orbits, as you guys pointed out and Nancy got wrong.

YOU have to learn YOUR geometric math distinctions on this whole issue.
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She claims Obama is the reincarnation of Lincoln. That's what we're talking about, right?



SOZT
Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many. Most Star Children recognize early that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama’s case, he was a walk-in during his teens, so was able to chose the body and life circumstances for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and mind sense a change, and seeks an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion that they have a new soul within.
EOZT



Thread: Zetatalk: Obama was a "walk-in", and a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln!



jeez her insanity is growing day by day
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I agree; if Obama was Lincoln, Lincoln has fallen. Bad.
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also the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln.


That's not a new claim by Nancy, actually.



Funny how Nancy stated that he wouldn't even get the Democratic nomination.

Zetas wrong again!
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True.

On the other hand, he was not NATURALLY nominated; it was a soft-power "CIA" or shall we say Trilateral Commission/ Brzezinski "people power coup" inside the United States, just as they've organized in Thailand and elsewhere.
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NancyClare wrote:

"YOU have to learn YOUR geometric math distinctions on this whole issue."

No. We do not. We're not the ignorant sock-puppet desperately trying to prop up Nancy's ludicrous astronomical assertions.

That would be you, "hon."
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YOU have to learn YOUR geometric math distinctions on this whole issue.
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Don't you mean the terms YOU made up? You won't be able to find a single reference anywhere that agrees with your claims.

Completely laughable!
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Nancy will create 'discussions' over here like this one with "Clare". She will then cherry-pick bits from it where Clare 'explains' things and will post them at the ning or Zetatalk, but she will ignore the rebuttals where "Clare" is shown to be quite wrong.

That's exactly what she did back in the sci.actro days.
 Quoting: Menow 935048


Ooo. The "Clare" thing again. LOL!

Or, to quote you, BWAAAAHAHA AHAH HA .. HA HA.

:)
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YOU have to learn YOUR geometric math distinctions on this whole issue.


Don't you mean the terms YOU made up? You won't be able to find a single reference anywhere that agrees with your claims.

Completely laughable!
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In an elementary geometry course, you will find the distinction between proper rotation ("spin around an axis") vs. rotational total because the axis moved forward on a circle.

Completely laughable -- if I were to be so cock-sure as you.

(For those who are not native English speakers, "cock" here refrs to a rooster, male chicken, not a penis, in case you didn't know that. Fyi.)

Have a good eve. Off to work again. Work eves.

Clare
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Look here folks! Clare claims that all the world's astronomers and physicists have it wrong and only SHE is right...she even has her own made-up definitions to go along with her own version of "fizics".
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YOU have to learn YOUR geometric math distinctions on this whole issue.


Don't you mean the terms YOU made up? You won't be able to find a single reference anywhere that agrees with your claims.

Completely laughable!


In an elementary geometry course, you will find the distinction between proper rotation ("spin around an axis") vs. rotational total because the axis moved forward on a circle.
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Funny that you cannot provide even one reference to back that up.
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Have a good eve. Off to work again. Work eves.

Clare
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You've evaded answering the simple yes/no questions AGAIN. Very telling.
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Typical Nancy psoting tactic.

Pop in, declare yourself victorious, flee.

I guess it's easier than defending the indefensible.
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Ridiculous as usual, Menow.

There are only so many terms for these things. Hence they are defined with other terms around them.
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Obfuscatory gobbldygook.

YOU have been corrected on your terms and usage.

The Moon rotates.
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BZZT! Sorry? Nancy's claim is that the Moon DOES NOT ROTATE!

It completes a rotation. The rotation accomplishes a turn. The turn (as with ANY motion) is relative to an axis. The axis here is consistent (not also re-orienting so much regarding the "y axis" of a graph).

However, since it remains ALWAYS FORWARD in relation to its rotational moveent (spin, rotation -- around the EARTH), it is not "proper" motion of spin on an axis. It is a result of NON-spin on its axis.
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I see... The Moon 'rotates', but it doesn't 'spin'.

Do you know what angular momentum is, Clare?

This is mathematical geometry. But since people use spin to refer to axes outside of the body (rotation around another axis) and axial rotation proper, YOU have been confused.
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No, people DON'T use 'spin' to mean that. Rotation around another body or 'axis', as you put it, is called a REVOLUTION.

Do you know

Anyone can see this if they think clearly -- and have taken geometry.

The point Nancy was making is that it does not turn on its own axis, properly speaking,


And yet it DOES, properly speaking.

Enough of this nonsense.


5th repeat: What motions would the Moon display if Earth suddenly went missing?
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Ridiculous as usual, Menow.
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Do you know what angular momentum is, Clare?
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Nancy will create 'discussions' over here like this one with "Clare". She will then cherry-pick bits from it where Clare 'explains' things and will post them at the ning or Zetatalk, but she will ignore the rebuttals where "Clare" is shown to be quite wrong.

That's exactly what she did back in the sci.actro days.


Ooo. The "Clare" thing again. LOL!

Or, to quote you, BWAAAAHAHA AHAH HA .. HA HA.

:)
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I see... you can quote THAT part of my post, but still claim that you overlooked the substantive part of the same post?

Heh.

Do you know what angular momentum is, Clare?
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But yes, it orbits, as you guys pointed out and Nancy got wrong.

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Huh? Nancy didn' say the Moon doesn't orbit. She says it doesn't rotate.

Seriously, what is wrong with you?
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Clare, you are as incredibly ignorant as you are arrogant. That's an ugly combination. But typical for a bunker.
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Ridiculous as usual, Menow.

There are only so many terms for these things. Hence they are defined with other terms around them.

YOU have been corrected on your terms and usage.

The Moon rotates.



(Snip a whole lot of waffling garbage)



But yes, it orbits, as you guys pointed out and Nancy got wrong.

YOU have to learn YOUR geometric math distinctions on this whole issue.
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Firstly as we are talking of an astronomical object here it is best to use the correct astronomical terms in the correct useage

Secondly I would like you to answer with a simple YES or NO for this question....



DOES THE SUN RISE AND SET ON THE MOON IE DOES IT IN THE PERIOD OF A LUNAR DAY AND NIGHT EXPOSE ALL OF THE MOONS SURFACE TO SUNLIGHT?
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It really does look like Nancy using a proxy. She does like
to make tiny admissions of error wrapped up in a big justification
of how she's still "right". I'm not playing the game anymore
and it looks like a question has been asked that won't get
answered in any simple way, if at all.

What I find interesting is the reference to a site that
"uses the T word". I know exactly what that means and
would like to see a link to anything more specific. If
she's badmouthing GLP or letting people do that on the
ning and still thinks they'll be welcome here we need to
know this.
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You really thinks it's nancy ? I dunno ... but ill scan the ning for the t (if I find ill email you or post it here ? better email I guess ? ).
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That would be fine. And yea, it might be her. It's her
style and she might be trying out a proxy so she can still
argue with debunkers and hang around GLP after the big pull-
out tomorrow.
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DrP, will Nancy still be a mod now that the weekly chat is moving elsewhere? I always thought she got that status as a means to exercise some control over the chat adn its participants.

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