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It will be interesting to see if Luser and Max really do admit that they have been duped by Nancy when nothing happens.
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Where did the 2012 date come from in the first place? It is the date arrived at as the end date of the Mayan Calendar by Eric Thompson and Sylvanus Morley.

The pair arrived at their correlation, which has been universally accepted as true without much testing, by converting Mayan dates to Julian calendar dates and then to Gregorian Calendar dates. In order to do this, they came up with formulas. Later, Morley further "perfected" the correlation and arrived at an end date of Dec. 21 2012 as the end of the calendar. This has led to the publication of numerous false end times prophecies attributed to the Mayans of the Yucatan.

But who was Sylvanus Morley?
From a Wikepedia entry. While Wikepedia is not always a reliable source, the quote below contains information that can be verified by other sources:

During the First World War, Morley gathered intelligence about and reported on the movements of German operatives in the region, information which was of keen interest to the U.S. Government. According to recent investigations,[20] Morley was one of a number of ONI operatives working in the region under the guise of conducting scholarly research. Their mission was to seek out evidence of pro-German and anti-American agitation in the Mexico-Central America region and to look for secret German submarine bases (which proved non-existent). Morley’s archaeological work provided a ready excuse to travel the countryside armed with photographic equipment, and he himself traveled more than 2,000 miles (over 3,200 km) along the coastlines of Central America in search of evidence for German bases.[21]

Several times Morley needed to convince suspicious soldiers of his bona fides, and was almost unmasked on occasion. In one incident in 1917, Morley was prevented from photographing an old Spanish fort by a party of Honduran soldiers who had been distrustfully monitoring his presence. He protested strongly to the local authorities, proclaiming his credentials as an archaeologist ought to be above suspicion. The local authorities were unmoved, and it was not until Morley was able to arrange for a letter of introduction signed by the Honduran president Francisco Bertrand that he was allowed to continue.
Morley produced extensive analyses (he filed over 10,000 pages of reports)[23] on many issues and observations of the region, including detailed coastline charting and identification of political and social attitudes which could be viewed as "threatening" to U.S. interests. Some of these reports bordered on economic spying, detailing the activities of local competitors and opponents of large U.S. companies present in the region, such as the United Fruit Company and International Harvester.


Morley is responsible for excavations at Chichen Itza, locals recorded information about him, calling him a thief and a liar. He visited communities under the guise of an interested archaeologist seeking to interview persons with knowledge of their ancestors, only to steal artifacts in their possession and sell them to museums and collectors. He also used this guise to report what he considered subversive activities to local and international authorities.

Once the locals realized what his true purpose was, they simply told him what they thought he wanted to hear in hopes that he would leave them alone.

Now the problem with the correlation is that the end date which is recorded in glyph form in codexes states that the cycle ends on a day called 3 Kankin 4 Ahau. This combination can only occur once every 52 years. The component 4 Ahau is the name of the day and is derived from the Tzolkin, a cycle of 260 days comprised of the combination of the numbers 1 -13 with 20 symbols.

The other component, 3 Kankin refers to the position on the solar calendar. The Mayans and all other Mexican and Central American nations were very dependent on agriculture, so it was important to have a reliable solar calendar to follow the seasons. A 260 day calendar cannot predict the seasons, the rains, the dry season. The solar calendar known as Ha'ab was composed of 18 twenty day "months" called uinal plus 5.25 days called Uayeb. The cycle of years was divided into 4 groups, each one pertaining to one of the cardinal points, and depending on the orientation of the year in course, the start of a new day and recording of the day just completed took place at a different time of the day (sunrise, noon, sunset or midnight)making the recording of the leap year unneccesary.

It is the assumption that all days begin and end at the same time of day that has led to the erroneous correlation put forward by Morley. If you consider that every 4 years the count is out by one day, it is a very considerable discrepancy when you are talking about a cycle of 5200 x 360 days ( or 5128 solar years plus 280 days).

The most important evidence that proves the 2012 correlation to be wrong is the fact that the solar "month" Kankin occurs in April, not December.

Today there are still masters of timekeeping in Mexico, Belize, Guatemala and Honduras, but they are very low key. They do not adhere to the supposed Mayan end of world prophecies, and they actually united in a location I will not disclose in 1988 to usher in a new cycle.

So there you have it, no Mayan doom in 2012. We had our doom in 1988 and you doomtards missed it!!!!
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I hope he is not too changed by the experience.
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That's one thing I hope for...I know he saw some bad stuff in Iraq. I don't think he saw anything nearly as bad in Afghanistan except maybe the attack on his base a week before he was to leave. He's an Army Nurse so he got to see a lot of the injuries.
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It will be interesting to see if Luser and Max really do admit that they have been duped by Nancy when nothing happens.
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My guess is is a disappearing act followed by a new logon.

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It will be interesting to see if Luser and Max really do admit that they have been duped by Nancy when nothing happens.


My guess is is a disappearing act followed by a new logon.

Nancy_coff
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit

And a new doom scenario and date to follow.
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The Y2K scare is exactly the same as what is going on now
with Zetatalk and 2012 doom junkies. What's sad is that
they can't see it themselves. They really ought to read the
Google archives for alt.fan.art-bell and see the similarities
from back then.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Less panic in Aussie pre 2000, but still was around telling people not to panic.

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It will be interesting to see if Luser and Max really do admit that they have been duped by Nancy when nothing happens.


My guess is is a disappearing act followed by a new logon.

Nancy_coff

And a new doom scenario and date to follow.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Only for Nancy, her current followers (except Freaky) are all giving up after 2012, Nancy will continue with a new date, first it will be May then June, followed by "real soon now".

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It will be interesting to see if Luser and Max really do admit that they have been duped by Nancy when nothing happens.


My guess is is a disappearing act followed by a new logon.

Nancy_coff

And a new doom scenario and date to follow.


Only for Nancy, her current followers (except Freaky) are all giving up after 2012, Nancy will continue with a new date, first it will be May then June, followed by "real soon now".

abducted
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit

2021 is too far out.
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It will be interesting to see if Luser and Max really do admit that they have been duped by Nancy when nothing happens.


My guess is is a disappearing act followed by a new logon.

Nancy_coff

And a new doom scenario and date to follow.


Only for Nancy, her current followers (except Freaky) are all giving up after 2012, Nancy will continue with a new date, first it will be May then June, followed by "real soon now".

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2021 is too far out.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Well Nancy and Freaky would be able to keep each other warm!

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:zetachat3:

The bunkers will now have to concede that the debunker boycott has proven its point even after only two weeks.

Without our participation the zetatalk Live Chat threads quickly lose their appeal on GLP.
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Nancy would have to come up with a really good reason why nothing happened. Even then, it will be very hard to convince those who have been following this saga for several years.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

No. Her delusion will make some bullshit a good reason for her.
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Nancy would have to come up with a really good reason why nothing happened. Even then, it will be very hard to convince those who have been following this saga for several years.
No. Her delusion will make some bullshit a good reason for her.
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Her delusion makes ANY bullshit reason good enough for her.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Nancy would have to come up with a really good reason why nothing happened. Even then, it will be very hard to convince those who have been following this saga for several years.
No. Her delusion will make some bullshit a good reason for her.

(from 17230)

Her delusion makes ANY bullshit reason good enough for her.
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Ok, i stand corrected ;-)
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Nancy would have to come up with a really good reason why nothing happened. Even then, it will be very hard to convince those who have been following this saga for several years.
No. Her delusion will make some bullshit a good reason for her.

(from 17230)

Her delusion makes ANY bullshit reason good enough for her.

Ok, i stand corrected ;-)
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Pretty minor correction when you think about it.
non sufficit Orbis

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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

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NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I am still waiting for the believers to come up with similar evidence/charts proving that Nancy is far more popular now than ever in the past...

Expect to wait a long time....
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I am still waiting for the believers to come up with similar evidence/charts proving that Nancy is far more popular now than ever in the past...

Expect to wait a long time....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6330


The bunker believers will never produce any tangible evidence.
They lack the critical thought power to do so.
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I see CB is coming around!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


I see you coming around also Melfy!!

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I see CB is coming around!!


I see you coming around also Melfy!!

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 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


Nice one, the bunkers will try to spin the latest statistics regardless.

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Her delusion makes ANY bullshit reason good enough for her.
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Yes...for her any excuse will make sense. I imagine she'll continue to believe that she's in contact with aliens and being given special knowledge until the day she dies. I know she's questioned all of this before...but each time, the "Zetas" give her an explanation and she buys it...continuing on with her faith renewed. You would think at some point she would say, "You know what? That's enough! You've been telling me for over 15 years that the 'Planet X' was coming and a 'pole shift' was going to happen. For over six years I tried to convince others that 'Planet X' was by the sun...and that it was coming...soon. 2003 turned out to be a lie...even though you insisted that all other dates were incorrect. Then you said 2012 was too far out. Well, it's 2012! Where is this 'planet?' When is this 'pole shift' going to happen? No more lies, no more deception! I'm through. Take your chip out of my head, take your unwrapped Starburst, and leave me alone!" But I doubt any of this will happen in 2012. And one of her followers is so convinced "Planet X" is here, they'll go on believing no matter how many dates come and go.
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Nice one, the bunkers will try to spin the latest statistics regardless.
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Oh, they will. User will claim we're being deceptive...actually, he already has. But how are the charts deceptive? The data was gathered using information from all her other threads. Any one of them could verify the data themselves...and yet, none of them have done so, nor have they bothered to explain how the charts are deceptive. I asked User...naturally, he didn't answer...which is his usual M.O.
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Nice one, the bunkers will try to spin the latest statistics regardless.

Oh, they will. User will claim we're being deceptive...actually, he already has. But how are the charts deceptive? The data was gathered using information from all her other threads. Any one of them could verify the data themselves...and yet, none of them have done so, nor have they bothered to explain how the charts are deceptive. I asked User...naturally, he didn't answer...which is his usual M.O.
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NOT so fast CB.

I've been very busy here with family and work, it was our July 1st celebration and this whole town gets into it. I'll try and discuss this with you, if we can stick to some facts.

I agree, your boycott shows a decrease in page views/ replies in the time frame stated.

BUT, and a big but, is the fact that when you compare last years stats (both page views and replies) with this year's stats there is still an increase compared with this year's page views and replies, boycott OR not.

This shows an increase in her popularity in that longer time frame ... right or wrong about the message. You will notice above, the new graph submitted by, I think, The Lone Ranger, doesn't even include last year's numbers for a comparison. That's the misleading part. Making a new graph does not make this go away.

The debunkers have for years now saying Nancy's popularity has been steadily deceasing ... your original graph shows this is not the case at all! Explain that, if you will. Try and be civil.
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This shows an increase in her popularity in that longer time frame ... right or wrong about the message. You will notice above, the new graph submitted by, I think, The Lone Ranger, doesn't even include last year's numbers for a comparison. That's the misleading part. Making a new graph does not make this go away.

The debunkers have for years now saying Nancy's popularity has been steadily deceasing ... your original graph shows this is not the case at all! Explain that, if you will. Try and be civil.
 Quoting: User # 78/68

It may be misleading...but that doesn't mean it was intentional. It might simply be that Lone Ranger didn't go back that far. Therefore, you can't say "debunkers" are being deceitful. All you can say is that the information is misleading. I also need to add that whether Nancy is popular or not, it does not mean that she is right. Nor does it mean that people believe her either.

Lone Ranger...since you're good at making these charts, why don't you make one covering the last year if possible?
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This shows an increase in her popularity in that longer time frame ... right or wrong about the message. You will notice above, the new graph submitted by, I think, The Lone Ranger, doesn't even include last year's numbers for a comparison. That's the misleading part. Making a new graph does not make this go away.

The debunkers have for years now saying Nancy's popularity has been steadily deceasing ... your original graph shows this is not the case at all! Explain that, if you will. Try and be civil.

It may be misleading...but that doesn't mean it was intentional. It might simply be that Lone Ranger didn't go back that far. Therefore, you can't say "debunkers" are being deceitful. All you can say is that the information is misleading. I also need to add that whether Nancy is popular or not, it does not mean that she is right. Nor does it mean that people believe her either.

Lone Ranger...since you're good at making these charts, why don't you make one covering the last year if possible?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker





I have to disagree with you there. We have already discussed the disparments between this year and last year and what the trends showed. For him not to include last year' numbers after the discussions certainly shows a level of mislead OR plain deceit. The numbers do speak for themselves. AND, Nancy Being right is a red herring argument. Nobody is saying she is right in this argument. It is the debunkers that put forth these graphs, and it is THEM using these numbers in their arguments. Right or wrong doesn't matter with regards to the message. You guys want to use the numbers to prove something. You can't go back and say now that the numbers don't matter, OR that people don't or do believe her.
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My question about Nancy, for those of you in the know, is this. Are these actions intentional deceptive (maybe attention whoring or something) or does she really beleive she is in contact with aliens? Should we look down on her as a scam artist or take pity on her as a crazy old woman.

Me, personally, I reckon she's a crazy old woman and do pity her, to some extent. It's her followers (what few are left) that are hilarious.
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This shows an increase in her popularity in that longer time frame ... right or wrong about the message. You will notice above, the new graph submitted by, I think, The Lone Ranger, doesn't even include last year's numbers for a comparison. That's the misleading part. Making a new graph does not make this go away.

The debunkers have for years now saying Nancy's popularity has been steadily deceasing ... your original graph shows this is not the case at all! Explain that, if you will. Try and be civil.

It may be misleading...but that doesn't mean it was intentional. It might simply be that Lone Ranger didn't go back that far. Therefore, you can't say "debunkers" are being deceitful. All you can say is that the information is misleading. I also need to add that whether Nancy is popular or not, it does not mean that she is right. Nor does it mean that people believe her either.

Lone Ranger...since you're good at making these charts, why don't you make one covering the last year if possible?





I have to disagree with you there. We have already discussed the disparments between this year and last year and what the trends showed. For him not to include last year' numbers after the discussions certainly shows a level of mislead OR plain deceit. The numbers do speak for themselves. AND, Nancy Being right is a red herring argument. Nobody is saying she is right in this argument. It is the debunkers that put forth these graphs, and it is THEM using these numbers in their arguments. Right or wrong doesn't matter with regards to the message. You guys want to use the numbers to prove something. You can't go back and say now that the numbers don't matter, OR that people don't or do believe her.
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I guess you're saying it's like looking at charts of the DOW. If you look at just this year's chart, it's mostly up... but if you look at the chart over the last couple years... well, you get the drift.

I understand that argument, but I think it's a moot point. At one time Nancy was huge on C2C and shows like that. She had 'mainstream' appeal (at least, to mainstream tin foil heads). To even hint that her popularity is not fading is as big a delusion as those who think the earth is flat.
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I have to disagree with you there. We have already discussed the disparments between this year and last year and what the trends showed. For him not to include last year' numbers after the discussions certainly shows a level of mislead OR plain deceit. The numbers do speak for themselves. AND, Nancy Being right is a red herring argument. Nobody is saying she is right in this argument. It is the debunkers that put forth these graphs, and it is THEM using these numbers in their arguments. Right or wrong doesn't matter with regards to the message. You guys want to use the numbers to prove something. You can't go back and say now that the numbers don't matter, OR that people don't or do believe her.
 Quoting: User # 78/68

Actually, on page 54 I believe, he has a bar chart that shows information for 2007, 2008 and 2009 to present. Based on that information, her "popularity" goes up and down. Overall, though, this "popularity" was at it's highest in 2009...up until "debunkers" left the thread. And I still do not find these charts misleading in any way because the point remains - without "debunkers," the number of posts and page views goes down. If you could go back and remove all posts and page views made by "debunkers" over the course of two years, the numbers for those threads would go down.
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My question about Nancy, for those of you in the know, is this. Are these actions intentional deceptive (maybe attention whoring or something) or does she really beleive she is in contact with aliens? Should we look down on her as a scam artist or take pity on her as a crazy old woman.

Me, personally, I reckon she's a crazy old woman and do pity her, to some extent. It's her followers (what few are left) that are hilarious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526325

She actually believes she is in contact with aliens. Whether that's true or if she's simply delusional is in debate. She very well could be in contact with "aliens." However, they are either giving her intentional misinformation or she isn't understanding what is being said to her...although, if that were the case, you would think these "aliens" would be aware of that and correct the situation - which they have not done. If she is mentally ill, I don't know if anyone should have pity for her or not. On one hand, if you do...you may be attacked by some believers for having any pity for someone who is only trying to help mankind. If you don't pity her...then you may be attacked by some believers for being "Service To Self." It's kind of a no win situation there. I, for one, wish she would get some treatment if she is ill...but she needs to want that help. Right now, she doesn't want it because she truly thinks she's right...and will probably go on doing so no matter how many times "Planet X" doesn't show up.
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I have to disagree with you there. We have already discussed the disparments between this year and last year and what the trends showed. For him not to include last year' numbers after the discussions certainly shows a level of mislead OR plain deceit. The numbers do speak for themselves. AND, Nancy Being right is a red herring argument. Nobody is saying she is right in this argument. It is the debunkers that put forth these graphs, and it is THEM using these numbers in their arguments. Right or wrong doesn't matter with regards to the message. You guys want to use the numbers to prove something. You can't go back and say now that the numbers don't matter, OR that people don't or do believe her.

Actually, on page 54 I believe, he has a bar chart that shows information for 2007, 2008 and 2009 to present. Based on that information, her "popularity" goes up and down. Overall, though, this "popularity" was at it's highest in 2009...up until "debunkers" left the thread. And I still do not find these charts misleading in any way because the point remains - without "debunkers," the number of posts and page views goes down. If you could go back and remove all posts and page views made by "debunkers" over the course of two years, the numbers for those threads would go down.
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Yes, but even with the debunkers gone off of Nancy's threads right now she is STILL getting more page views and responses than last year at this time ... and last year's numbers included the debunkers posts. This clearly means that the debunkers are being very disingenuous when they have been claiming Nancy's popularity to be decreasing. They have been claiming this many times within this past year. This is false!

The debunkers seem so afraid of admitting Nancy Lieder is popular (many times actually denying it), even increasing in popularity (overall) that they loose credibility in the process. This is a debunkers dilemna. Afterall, it is their own graph and numbers that show the facts.
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This shows an increase in her popularity in that longer time frame ... right or wrong about the message. You will notice above, the new graph submitted by, I think, The Lone Ranger, doesn't even include last year's numbers for a comparison. That's the misleading part. Making a new graph does not make this go away.

The debunkers have for years now saying Nancy's popularity has been steadily deceasing ... your original graph shows this is not the case at all! Explain that, if you will. Try and be civil.

It may be misleading...but that doesn't mean it was intentional. It might simply be that Lone Ranger didn't go back that far. Therefore, you can't say "debunkers" are being deceitful. All you can say is that the information is misleading. I also need to add that whether Nancy is popular or not, it does not mean that she is right. Nor does it mean that people believe her either.

Lone Ranger...since you're good at making these charts, why don't you make one covering the last year if possible?





I have to disagree with you there. We have already discussed the disparments between this year and last year and what the trends showed. For him not to include last year' numbers after the discussions certainly shows a level of mislead OR plain deceit. The numbers do speak for themselves. AND, Nancy Being right is a red herring argument. Nobody is saying she is right in this argument. It is the debunkers that put forth these graphs, and it is THEM using these numbers in their arguments. Right or wrong doesn't matter with regards to the message. You guys want to use the numbers to prove something. You can't go back and say now that the numbers don't matter, OR that people don't or do believe her.


I guess you're saying it's like looking at charts of the DOW. If you look at just this year's chart, it's mostly up... but if you look at the chart over the last couple years... well, you get the drift.

I understand that argument, but I think it's a moot point. At one time Nancy was huge on C2C and shows like that. She had 'mainstream' appeal (at least, to mainstream tin foil heads). To even hint that her popularity is not fading is as big a delusion as those who think the earth is flat.
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WRONG!

The number DO NOT say that.

Go back as far as you want to prove your point. You have not proven it here. The graphs show that yes, the debunker boycott is affecting her page views and replies this year, BUT also that compared to last year at this time her page views and replies have gone UP. That's hardly fading.
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Yes, but even with the debunkers gone off of Nancy's threads right now she is STILL getting more page views and responses than last year at this time
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What the hell difference does that make anyway? I don't care how many people are or are not looking at her threads, she's still completely wrong.

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