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Pretty much what I expected ...
... except the one link to the fas.org security messages, which seems not to be connected directly to this picture of Planet X (at least it doesnt say so), and which is probably long outdated (just guessing, it's from 1992 afterall, with the fast technological development this stuff goes out of date very fast and 1992 was short after the Iron Curtain fell, so the USA was still suspicious of the former communist countrys) and which is only a suggestion to the government without us knowing if the government really took it seriously back in 1992 ... NSD 42 means National Security Directive 42 and I am not sure if I just mistranslate what you mean (very well possible), but if you say this is a picture format or something like that my guess is that's wrong, from what I translate it is a text document , here is a description:

[link to homelandsecurity.tamu.edu]

This directive outlines the basic goals for information technology and telecommunications security within the federal government, as well as providing basic implementation strategies. The directive mandates the national security telecommunications and information technology must be reliable, effective, efficient, and have a sound technical base. The directive establishes a NSC Policy Coordinating Committee for National Security Telecommunications and Information Systems (NSC/PCC), which will manage, operate, and oversee the security of national security telecommunications, as well as review and create recommendations for the security of national security telecommunications. The directive then details which individuals will make up the NSC/PCC and what each individual within the committee will be responsible for.
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Looks to me like that National Security Directive 42 document is classified. If they have classified specific picture formats we cannot know, as the whole document is classified.

... except that all your links lead to dubiuos unscientific websites like bibliotecapleyades.net, projectscamalot or ufodigest. I'll see if I find the time to study these links though a bit though.
Actually I'm not really impressed.

The picture itself shows something that does in no way resemble the "winged globe with it's swirling moon tail" Nancy describes if that screenshot from here is what you mean:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

I still have to watch that projectcamelot interview and see if I find more footage there.
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Pretty much what I expected ...
... except that all your links lead to dubiuos unscientific websites like bibliotecapleyades.net, projectscamalot or ufodigest. I'll see if I find the time to study these links though a bit though.
Actually I'm not really impressed.

The picture itself shows something that does in no way resemble the "winged globe with it's swirling moon tail" Nancy describes if that screenshot from here is what you mean:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

I still have to watch that projectcamelot interview and see if I find more footage there.
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I know it leads to non-scientist Websites.

But the situation around the disclosure is maybe a smoking gun here.

There was a disclosure, and the people discussing it at the time, had the images on hand.

Yes, there is some coverage of the images on the Project Camelot interview (with Scantamburlo) but it's not very good.

The circumstantial evidence is mostly what's left on this one. But a good detective would look at that, so that's good ... let me know.

Discussion is scientific, on issues. Let's see what it's about.

Thanks!
Clare
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Discussion is scientific, on issues. Let's see what it's about.

Thanks!
Clare
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I mean, careful discussion. So let's have one. Great.

Ciao ...
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And those Bad Astronomy claims about the SOHO images ... could they be right? So far, no comparable "flares" have been presented, except from comparable photos since PX was supposedly already possibly here.

A planet would appear in consecutive images and move with some kind of logic. Cosmic ray hits don't.


They still believe cosmic ray hits are a "string of pearls" (i.e., planet x moons) and planet x.

I pointed them to the unprocessed fits images to prove my point...unfortunately, not one of them has the curiosity or intelligence to look at them.
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Yah. I know. Good point.

I was talking of the images of a possible PX in the SOHO images, which don't seem to look like hits/pixel flares as Bad Astronomy's Phil Plait talked of ...

And of course, some PX-like images could be sloppily faked to make the real ones not noticeable as easily.

I am curious of the one there on ZT, with the SOHO non-PX images on either side. It is the one that Plait said was pixel flares.

Whatever it was or wasn't, it doesn't look like pixel flares or CCD problems, at least any that I've seen from anything Menow linked to.
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Backup for reminding me later:

Interesting little discovery.

Current number of members on the ning: 1,230

I remember it being 1,436 over the weekend.

Looks like someone has been winnowing out the followers!

I think your absolutely right .... I have posted the number of members on the ning a few pages back in the glorious and extremely successfull debunker thread a few pages back ... ill see if I find it, but I am sure it were over 1400 like you said ... even I have 2 accounts there, b ut those are still there) ... i'll check back when I found the number in the glorious debunker thread.
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Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat May 22 – Switched to Ning Site (Page 5)
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Backup for reminding me later:



Interesting little discovery.

Current number of members on the ning: 1,230

I remember it being 1,436 over the weekend.

Looks like someone has been winnowing out the followers!

I think your absolutely right .... I have posted the number of members on the ning a few pages back in the glorious and extremely successfull debunker thread a few pages back ... ill see if I find it, but I am sure it were over 1400 like you said ... even I have 2 accounts there, b ut those are still there) ... i'll check back when I found the number in the glorious debunker thread.


Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat May 22 – Switched to Ning Site (Page 5)
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Nevermind ... I was mistaken:

From the 1146 members ...
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What I don't understand is why Nancy's followers want to believe that some "rogue planet" is responsible for just about everything happening here on Earth, without the first shred of evidence, when it's far more likely that humans are the cause. I'm not talking about global warming/climate change. While I believe humans could be influencing it, I think more study needs to be done. Whether humans are causing it not, though, humans are destroying this planet. We pollute the air, water and land. There are at least two "islands" of garbage...one in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific. We're cutting down huge swaths of trees, which are vital for oxygen production. This IS having an impact...oxygen levels that were once over 30% are now around 20%. We've exploited just about every resource on this planet and most seem to think that these resources are limitless. They are not...however, many of them are renewable if we weren't taking faster than it can replenish. Take the ocean's fish for instance. I found this article to be a little disturbing:

[link to news.yahoo.com]
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Also, Clare, since you seem to have ignored it...

The earth will eventually become tidally locked to the sun as Mercury is now. Several mllion years before that, its rotation will be 'almost" synchronous with its orbit in that its rotation period on its axis will have slowed to one every 100 days. Will it still be rotating on its own axis?

When it finally settles down with it rotating on its axis once every 365 days, will it in your opinion still be rotating? If not, then when did it stop rotating?


An illuminating question for anyone confused. (which probably isn't many except an handful of Zetadrones)

Don't expect an answer. I believe this "person" is someone playing a joke with a gibberish generator and feeding it debunker questions complete with astronomy jargon which it then transmogrifies into astro-gibberish.

Either that or this really is a N*ncy sock since her astro vocabulary is equally illucid.

In either case all you'll get is incomprehensible gibberish.

Have fun.


R.
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I see that Clare has once again evaded the hard questions.
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Yes, you are right re. WITH the Sun in the picture, it would continue to orbit around the missing point of the Earth, in a sine wave for a while,

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No, it would not. What would be causing it to trace out a sine wave? The gravity of the earth would no longer be there? Are you saying that it would be orbiting around some massless and gravityless point in space as it moved around the sun? Is THAT what you're claiming?
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What I don't understand is why Nancy's followers want to believe that some "rogue planet" is responsible for just about everything happening here on Earth, without the first shred of evidence, when it's far more likely that humans are the cause. I'm not talking about global warming/climate change.
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Global warming appears to be over and global cooling begun.

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Calre's Definitions, Part VI:

SINE WAVE - A scientific sounding term employed whenever something scientific is needed. Example: "Magnetrons in the trophosphere flow and ebb according to a SINE WAVE pattern created by the flux interaction of harmonic shield frequencies established by the interpretive dance of the Sun and Planet X."
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Discussion is scientific, on issues. Let's see what it's about.

Thanks!
Clare
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Yes, let's do! Why do you not have the simple courtesy to respond to corrections of your false assertions? You AGAIN stated what would happen to the Moon if Earth went missing. It was still hoplessly wrong. Here is a repeat. See if you can avoid 'overlooking' it this time.

And no, Menow, I was wrong re. your "Earth disappearance" idea: and should have said re. if the Earth disappeared, it would fly off in a straight line. Sorry, Menow (I think it was) who posed that question and I was miffed and so, like you, got confused what the issue was. Yes, you do, dear! -- too. Quoting: mclarek 980219

You mean the MOON would fly off in a straight line as its only motion if Earth went missing? Wrong, Clare... so very, very wrong.

Try again, Clare.

And as a VEEEERRRRY closely related question, which you have skipped over some 20 times now:

Clare... You DID finally claim to know what angular momentum is. So, moving on from that... does the Moon, as a massive spherical body, possess any angular momentum?
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Pardon me for answering this, 74444

Yes, you are right re. WITH the Sun in the picture, it would continue to orbit around the missing point of the Earth,
 Quoting: mclarek 980219


What? You think the Moon would orbit around the spot where Earth USED to be??

in a sine wave for a while,
 Quoting: mclarek 980219


You're simply tossing out a term you saw someone else use in a hopeless attempt to borrow some credibility. FAIL.

and yes, turn on its axis to go around it,
 Quoting: mclarek 980219


What? A body doesn't have to turn on its axis in order to orbit another body.

in "orbital revolution",
 Quoting: mclarek 980219


That is simply an 'orbit', Clare. Why do I think you are attributing some wild definition to it?

which really means it moves forward, with a turn on its axis to achieve that forward flow.
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Absurd! Bodies don't have to rotate in order to 'flow forward', Clare.

And would eventually lock with the Sun.
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Again, you act as if you know what that means, but you really don't. I get the idea that this is how you have proceeded through your entire 'education'... by parroting back words and phrases, but not really understanding what they mean.

But it would not have the additional spin on its axis as imageable in our mind experiment (my point, anyway). That is, it would not have the additional directional spin (diurnal rotation), relative to the missing Earth point, just as now it also does not have day and night relative to the Earth.
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What do you mean.. "additional spin"? Additional to WHAT? Additional to your reference frame where the Moon doesn't rotate? Of COURSE it wouldn't, but that is MEANINGLESS.

Venus has this relative to the Sun; the Earth has this relative to the Sun; the E-M system as a whole has it relative to the Sun (hence Moon phases), and the Sun has it relative to the galaxy.

But the Moon doesn't have it relative to the Earth.
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That doesn't mean the Moon doesn't ROTATE, Clare.

Anyway, these are the bigger and smaller frames of reference, which here people have been confusing when talking of them; and claiming I don't get them.
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You DON'T get them, Clare, and NOBODY here is confused but YOU!

They still don't get that I was always talking of diurnal-type rotation around its axis
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What is a 'diurnal-type' rotation, Clare, and how is it different than ANY OTHER TYPE of rotation?

-- originally (as Nancy was originally, before orbit was added, and she showed she didn't know that).
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Nancy knows even less about that term than do you, so she meant no such thing.

Oh well.

As to the invisible dragon: why don't you go out and have a few "puffs" with it, then? At least it'll be good for something -- AND be less likely to get into trouble!

LOL!

Cheers, to you.
Clare

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Let's see if you can actually follow up on this post rather than just pontificating(falsely) and waltzing away as if your points stood unchallenged.
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They still don't get that I was always talking of diurnal-type rotation around its axis -- originally (as Nancy was originally, before orbit was added, and she showed she didn't know that).

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By the way... the things Nancy 'doesn't know' about astronomy would fill several libraries, but note that anyone asserting that she and her "Zetas" don't know something will be banned from her Ning hidey-hole.
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So it may have been real, like the Norway spiral, whatever that was. (Many theories exist on that, but it happened.)

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Yes, there is an interesting social phenomenon happening on the ning site. The spiral footage(still and video) looks faked and the creator admitted it was a hoax, yet they still “want to believe”. I think this demonstrates the whole impetus behind ZetaTalk. These folks want mystery and excitement so badly in their lives, they are willing to due away with reality.

Examples:

“Ken clearly has the right of it. The establishment is endlessly tiresome and predictable in their attempts to keep the world in the dark.”

“only if there was a way to make this video viral.....so that if it is real (or the elaborate hoax was done to dismiss every other similar occurrence from here on), these guys will be caught lying when these "shows in the sky" start being more frequent.........”

“I tend to agree with Ken; I"m thinking; "but didn't people say they saw it themselves?" Plus, I'm sure TPTB would be happy to have someone come foreward to claim they "hoaxed" it, to cover up some real truth they don't want the population to see or think....”

“I still believe that he Hoaxer is a shill. People actually posted saying they had seen this, although the pictures are more of what it actually looked like and the videos seemed contrived (this from one of the "witnesses") . A very elaborate hoax if it is one.....but my moneys on that the hoax is a scam.”

“in an age when so much is happening with disasters and contacts of course we would believe anything testings theories is just childish . so much is happening in the world today its easier to believe than not”


And this one above really sums it up nicely.
“Testing theories is just childish” ?????
“Its easier to believe than not” WOW!
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Heh...

Check out the "Earth Changes and the Pole Shift" discussion at the ning. Page 5, where Andrew gets ripped an new asshole for presuming to answer for "Zetas", but just gets 'foot-in-mouth' disease.

I'd quote, but it's way too big.
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Poor Andrew. I imagine that stung, since the Zetards are probably the only people on Earth who can even marginally tolerate his odiferous presence.
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What I don't understand is why Nancy's followers want to believe that some "rogue planet" is responsible for just about everything happening here on Earth, without the first shred of evidence, when it's far more likely that humans are the cause. I'm not talking about global warming/climate change. While I believe humans could be influencing it, I think more study needs to be done. Whether humans are causing it not, though, humans are destroying this planet. We pollute the air, water and land. There are at least two "islands" of garbage...one in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific. We're cutting down huge swaths of trees, which are vital for oxygen production. This IS having an impact...oxygen levels that were once over 30% are now around 20%. We've exploited just about every resource on this planet and most seem to think that these resources are limitless. They are not...however, many of them are renewable if we weren't taking faster than it can replenish. Take the ocean's fish for instance. I found this article to be a little disturbing:

[link to news.yahoo.com]
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Now, that doesn't mean these images were for real (they were like but not the same as Barbato's) but if it was that format, then this is interesting as possibly real. Now Youtube typical censorship is likely (is known in other instances where there was no voluntary removal of footage: we now get here, either "account suspended" messages or "video removed by user".

Original pages on the Barbato disclosure supposedly from Jesuit:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

The pics are still available sort of through the Project Camelot interview of Scantamburlo about Barbato:

[link to projectcamelot.org]


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Project Scamalot, Bibliotecapleyades and allegations of Youtube censorship?

You've got to be kidding.
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Poor Andrew. I imagine that stung, since the Zetards are probably the only people on Earth who can even marginally tolerate his odiferous presence.
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Nancy came on later to 'explain' that Andrew was just trying to point out answers from previous Zetatalk, but it's clear he was doing no such thing.

Later on that same thread somebody is questioning the "Zeta" claim about the BP oil dispersant. He said that the truth was the opposite of what 'they' said. Whoops! Grounds for banning!
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Poor Andrew. I imagine that stung, since the Zetards are probably the only people on Earth who can even marginally tolerate his odiferous presence.


Nancy came on later to 'explain' that Andrew was just trying to point out answers from previous Zetatalk, but it's clear he was doing no such thing.

Later on that same thread somebody is questioning the "Zeta" claim about the BP oil dispersant. He said that the truth was the opposite of what 'they' said. Whoops! Grounds for banning!
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Go to page 6... trouble in paradise!

Questions by Gordon James Gianninoto
Answers by Andrew Veresay

Comments on Answers by Gordon James Gianninoto


Andrew, thank you for your kind efforts, but I feel that you are talking down to me and not answering my questions.
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Wow! Gordon James became completely docile after being scolded by Nancy. He then wrote this:

I don't mind Andrew at all, he was very kind and I think he earnestly did his best, and that his answers were not wrong in any sense of the word.

Suddenly he says that Andrew was not wrong in ANY sense of the word after saying he was wrong on everything he said.

He also says he thinks about 'Zetas' "...all day every day..."

That is downright creepy!
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Gordon James continues:

"Really the average human has disappointed us so much in our lives, filled with difficulties which we take as tests, but the Zetas have never let us down."


Yikes! And they claim it's not a cult or a religion!
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I simply know that sometimes where there's national security breaches, Jesuits, and so on , there are real leaks. And if PX is real, such a breach would have the kind of discussion trail with missing video, but a possible disclosure, information about which built up over several vetters of the story.

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This is almost as muddle headed as your Moon physics.

I'm curious who you think are the "vetters" of this story. Bloggers who posted the link?

What this boils down to is "I can't find the proof because the Illuminati censored Youtube, but here are some fuzzy pictures from UFO_liars.com."

How many time have we heard the equivalent of that before?

Radical Doubt--ROFL.
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The Trilateral Commission handles the censorship of YouTube. The Illuminati take care of the professional press.

Individual blogs are suppressed with help from Zionist Yeti groups.
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The guys I want to get in touch with are the agents that give you a secret shot under your armpit that makes you go nuts.

I have a few people I want put on the list.
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Gordon James continues:

"Really the average human has disappointed us so much in our lives, filled with difficulties which we take as tests, but the Zetas have never let us down."
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Except for maybe the fact that they have NEVER gotten ANYTHING right yet!

How brainwashed can one get?
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Has Andrew gotten into his father's booze and started any more wanking-oriented threads at the ning?

Those ought to go over *really* well, lol!
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Gordon James continues:

"Really the average human has disappointed us so much in our lives, filled with difficulties which we take as tests, but the Zetas have never let us down."



Except for maybe the fact that they have NEVER gotten ANYTHING right yet!

How brainwashed can one get?
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That's about as good an example of it as I can imagine. That guy thinks of "Zetas" as if they were benevolent Gods.
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Here's an example of them discussing things astronomical.


Reply by Stevan on May 20, 2010 at 4:04am

I stand corrected! I just researched it online and found that the sun never sets north of due west in the northern hemisphere!

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