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It does rotate on its axis around Earth, and shows therefore different faces to the Sun.
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BINGO!!!

That's what we've been trying to get you to see for days!
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Clare is a Moon Hoax Moron!

I suspected it already, given her profound inability to grasp even the simplest technical concepts and her apparent gullibility concerning the Zetard nonsense.

But now she's confirmed it, which allows me to revise my estimate of her intelligence to lie somewhere between that of ferns and gravel (washed, small).

We should introduce her to Punisher.

On second thought, no. Let's not do that, EVER.

Menow, how the Hell do you maintain any semblance of rationality with this 'woman?'
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If that's the case, then it reinforces my thoughts on how technically illiterate she is. I have participated in many moon hoax "debates" and invariably those who think it was a hoax are completely uneducated in the physics and engineering involved.
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Dr. Postman, Cruithne is actually an observation coracle *piloted* remotely by the Zetas via a pair of carefully-balanced Snickers bars.

Thus it is immune to the steady stream and flow of highly-charged yet neutral magnetrons that barrage Earth from PX's southernmost orifice (i.e., the 'Brown Pole').

You'll laugh off the above without carefully examing ALL the evidence, including that from the Vatican and the airbrushed United Federation of Planets photos which were removed from the web before they were posted, in line with your picayune, hydrophobic belief system and your lifelong indoctrination in the Tao of Pooh, now don't be nasty, as we have all seen that you are confused by my nomenclature and (ha!) I have a movie to go and see, I would ask Menow but he is a dirigible.
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Here is no such thing as: "spin from orbital orientation", you hopeless maker-up-of-meaningless-terms.

You are about the most self-centered, willfully ignorant, narcissistic individual we have ever entertained here, and that is saying a lot.


Oh! Love the made-up "maker-up-of-meaningless-terms"! Very good!

Very Shakespearean, actually.

I have used YOUR terms for it AND used common parlance. I have described in various ways what PHYSICAL issues I am distinguishing. The distinguishing remains, even if I didn't use astronomical tech. terms, as long as I remained within common parlance and explained the distinguishing relations properly: which points we consider fixed in order to see the differences between orders of magnitude of distinction.
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You are distinguishing a body which is tidally locked from one which is not, but you are insisting the difference is more than that.

As to my supposed "self-centered, willfully ignorant, narcissistic individual" perhaps it's just that

a) SOME of you are so like that that you can't take someone who DOES know MOST of what she's talking of,

b) challenges your sense of layman vs. technical terms (which means you have to be charitable, not your strong suit, SOME of you),
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


You used the wrong terms, REPEATEDLY, in spite of MULTIPLE, polite corrections. That made it impossible to discuss and distinguish the very items at the center of the discussion.

c) isn't a fanatic PX believer, so challenges the fullness of your debunking,
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You also ignored my responses to this particular item. Am I now supposed to begin repeating it until you pay attention?

d) knows more than you about the testable hypothetical method: how an hypothesis needs to be BUILT, charitably (again, not your strong suit, SOME of you), in order for you to know what links MIGHT lead to the hypothesis' viability ... even if some facts seem unrelated from *a priori* assumptions ... AND THEN compared to other similarly built hypotheses.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


You are welcome to wallow in that minutia if you like. You're good at that. We have followed the PX story for much longer than you. It's pure bullshit, lies and hoax darlin'.

Thus, two levels of testing: 1. testing possibilities for exact lines of possible connection (to build the hypothesis), and 2. testing the hypotheses against each other in the end (as in a courtroom's argument comparisons).
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If you care to present evidence that some large planet is careening around in the inner Solar System, go right ahead. You might get some takers - maybe even me. If you want to claim that some PX COULD exist somewhere, sometime, in the last place in the universe we have yet to look, you can go pound sand.

By the way, I don't expect those who like science all to understand the fine points of how an argument works; some do, some don't understand the philosophical SIDE of their discipline.
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Fuck you.

Most DO a certain amount of predictive work, but rarely have to test hypotheses they find repugnant or impossible.
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I find YOU repungnant and impossible, yet I have been willing to test YOU, hmm?

So that level of thinking about what they take for granted, not only within their field but in HOW they argue -- is not as common.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


Go fuck thyself, dear.

But anyway, back to supposed ego: can you not distinguish between belligerent misplaced confidence (common term, "ego"), and strength of character with goodwill, and willingness to express oneself and stand for what they know and if making mistakes adjust what's said, or if seeing others' confusion, try to set straight by using other terms?

Your version is entrapment. Mine is presentation.

Both are ego, but they are not both narcissistic.
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See above, referring to self-fuckage.

I am interested in the subject, and how the technical terms apply (in the latest issue, the E-Moon relationship) but to be accused of not knowing the different motions AND perspectives on each ... and told I'm saying gobbledygook because you won't separate layman's terms (with qualifying references to make them clear) from technical terms ... this is ridiculous on the person who does it, not on me.
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75% of your statements were incomprehensible. Period.

The latter makes you JUST egocentric, Menow. As your "name" seems to indicate. I hope not, but it does sound like it, post after post. How irate! How self-promotional! And finally, how uncharitable.


So it leads you to confuse things when I have been clear -- even if using layman's terms.
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Refer up the page to where you are invited to copulate with yourself.

Long posts or not, I have not said gobbledygook in MEANING ... several people got the points. I understand something which you have deflected from and/or mocked, and/or rushed over understanding terms, no matter what I did to explain.
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Name ONE person who will say that the majority of your offerings made any sense. Don't you READ what people have been saying about you???????????????????????????

If you had a stroke and really DID have trouble speaking, remembering technical terms, would that mean you'd speak gobbledygook? If someone were charitable in listening, perhaps not. If someone just said to themself, "That old codger, I don't want to figure it out," then yes.
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Problem is, when your meaning is clear, it is seen to be utter nonsense, dear.

You did the latter, to me. Not nice. Not at all.
This is not sick ego (in case you don't know the difference); it's strength to stand up to you bullies. All of you.

Including the Comic-book mocker, a "chewer" on people. (Commentator, he calls himself.)

By the way, to him:
He brought up the idea I should get my head out of comic books. And others -- maybe he -- have said I "project"! When I brought this up to him, he ignored it.
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He was mocking you dear. You deserved it. You are NOT a stroke victim, deserving of patience.

Like so many on this thread, when I make a fine point about meanness, it gets unmentioned. But your meanness I am fielding all the time without giving much ire back.

I do have to commend you Menow:

A couple of times you have raised your voice to proclaim your reason for being an attacker, rather than a balanced inquirer: you have said you have been mistreated and you say mislabelled as a troll.
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I wasn't saying I needed an 'excuse' for my actions. Nancy and her PX story are damnable lies. That should be enough reason to speak out against it.

I have a feeling that you were probably irascible before Nancy came along, but nevertheless, I do commend you for your honesty and feelings about the situation. I understand.

I am suffering many blows here! :)

However, sorry I called you an idiot. A moment of ire.
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You called people more than that, and for simply repeating a thought experiment you had ignored the previous 5 times.
You expect people not to react to that sort of behaviour?

You are clearly, also, not of a third-grade education; for one thing, Shakespeare, you are good with word creativity and for another you hyphenated only the adjectives (self-centered), not the adverb with the adjective, i.e., adverbial phrase ("willfully ignorant", which modified the noun "individual":
"self-centered, willfully ignorant, narcissistic individual".

This is a very fine point: willfully modifies ignorant, and the whole modifies "individual", but willfully does not modify individual directly.
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YOU are mincing words and punctuation after spending 10 pages IGNORING multiple, repeated corrections about TWO SIMPLE WORDS which mean TWO SEPARATE PHYSCAL EVENTS?

Let's see... what should you do with yourself... it starts with an "f".

Kind of like the Moon's actions! HA HA! The Moon orbits the Earth and the E-M system orbits the Sun, causing the Sun to see the Moon turn on its axis.
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The sun 'seeing' the Moon turn on its axis has NOTHING to to with the fact that the Moon orbits Earth. NOTHING!


:)

'Night. For real. I saw your nasty post and stayed up to reply. You are good with words, Menow. I mean that andam not being covertly nasty or anything. Cheerio.
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The Sun 'seeing' the Moon turn on its axis has NOTHING to to with the fact that the Moon orbits Earth. NOTHING!

This, again, is something which has been repeated to you about 100 times by now, yet you persist in ignoring it.
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Anyway, Menow, seriously: they would see MORE of the Dark Side than we can. But not from all sides, such as Earth does of us.


You tried to use the fact that a person had never seen all sides of the Moon to prove it doesn't rotate. Then why doesn't the fact that someone HAS seen all sides of the Moon prove it DOES rotate?


Silly!
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I see you are going to ignore my point.

Sigh. Why bother?

It doesn't revolve around its own axis, in diurnal motion around the Earth RELATIVE TO EARTH, its orbital centre axis. (Well, the barycentre, technically.)
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There is no such thing as "in diurnal motion around the Earth RELATIVE TO EARTH, its orbital centre axis", so your answer is meaningless.

(snip repetition of related blather based on the same meaningless 'concept')

The Moon does not revolve diurnally relative to the Earth; thus it is not comparable with what the Earth or Venus do, relative to the Sun.
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There is no such thing as "revolve diurnally relative to the Earth", therefor you statement is meaningless.
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Here's what you said, which was in AGREEMENT with my point (and Nancy's) about "spin on its axis" in its own right, which is diurnal-type rotation ...


So are YOU claiming that the Moon has no diurnal rotation?


As I said, relative to the EARTH, which is the relevant frame of reference in order to compare the Earth's own motion relative to the Sun, or for that matter, any orbital body relative to what it orbits.




So you're claiming that because Earth has a diurnal rotation of about 365 turns during each of its orbits, and the Moon only has one, that therefor the Moon has NO diurnal rotation?

That is the only sense I can make out of your comparison.


No, hon. (No offense, btw; I feel I know you somehow.)

You are still talking of its orbiting the Sun. I am talking on the level of its orbit of the Earth. Which is a mind-experiment, since in fact it also orbits the Sun, as a system, with the Earth.
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Of course I'm not talking of the Moon orbitig the Sun, since I spoke of ONE diurnal turn during its orbit! That relates to the Moon's orbit of EARTH, you insufferable loon!

(snip rest of blather based on your above false premise)
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The Moon first goes around the Earth, then around the Sun (in our understanding levels).
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Only in YOUR 'understanding level'. To everyone else, it is meaningless.

Around the Earth: no diurnal motion.

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You clearly don't understand the definition of 'diurnal motion', and are making on up.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Diurnal motion, the apparent motion of stars around the Earth
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And by the way, Menow, I still like you. Even if you don't want me to, or whatever. Why? Your spite and crudity of manner are clearly partly defensive, not merely offensice.

Plus, for all your not seeing meaning in my words, i.e., not parsing the layman's part of it and seeing the thought experiments I meant, you are good with words.
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The very BASIS of your argument is erroneous use of terms. without that, you would have been rendered mute pages ago.

Weird. But true. I think maybe when they roll out of you you are creative with them. But coming in, others' meanings are blocked from you, if it requires charitability -- expecially if you've already decided (*a priori* emotional decisions affecting mind) that the person has to be unknowledgeable or is a dopey person in general.

However, in peace, *ad astra, homo!* (To the stars, fellow!)
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No, you simply have no idea what you are talking about. Period.
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Reply by P Gray 8 hours ago
Allright. Here's the concept. The position of the Earth with respect to whether Earth is stopped in it's orbit should be easy to determine. Consider the following:
1) dig a hole in your yard deep enough to be below the frost line, place a metal pipe in the hole and cement it in place.
2) permanently attach a space type telescope to the pole
3) at exactly a specific time at night, (example midnight) align the crosshairs of the scope on a star in a constellation, with the proviso that the constellation is in the plane of the ecliptic
4) tighten the devices on the scope on the scope that attach the scope to the pole
5) check the alignment of the crosshairs each night at exactly the same time (example: midnight)
6) it seems by math to me that if the Earth is travelling in its orbit around the sun, then the following must occur
7) the crosshairs will slowly move away from the star chosen
I wish someone would do this and hook it up to a webcam. We could all check it and see if the crosshairs stay on target.
8) I realize with the "wobble" there may be some variability, but with the Earth progressing in an orbit, the "drift" of the crosshairs will be unmistakeable, large, and consistent. There.....end of the orbit debate. Please someone take this challenge on.... let's see the results. Thanks


from the ning

It's there now - but I wouldn't like to make book on for how long- or how long Mr Grey is going to be around there either

`show nancy wrong- thats a bannin'
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It won't matter, since nobody will do that experiment. If they do, it will be done sloppily enough so that they can still believe Nancy is right.
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delusion:

A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g., it is not an article of religious faith). When a false belief involves a value judgment, it is regarded as a delusion only when the judgment is so extreme as to defy credibility. Delusional conviction occurs on a continuum and can sometimes be inferred from an individual's behavior. It is often difficult to distinguish between a delusion and an overvalued idea (in which case the individual has an unreasonable belief or idea but does not hold it as firmly as is the case with a delusion). Delusions are subdivided according to their content. Some of the more common types are: bizarre; delusional jealousy; grandiose; delusion of reference; persecutory; somatic; thought broadcasting; thought insertion.
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Excuse my asking . . . in all the discussion regarding rotation, etc. if it was mentioned I missed it . . . what is the theory to explain why our moon's rotation exactly matches the duration of the revolution around the earth. Does this one face shown to the earth by our moon exist anywhere in the solar system, etc? Thanks!
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From the Ning.

Reply by Chris Thomas Wakefield 11 hours ago
Oh yeah, I really feel it. This period of time is so extra hard, for me anyway, because it's the time when the banks are stable, food, equipment, seed tools are all readily available and yet we are only a year out from the poleshift: prime time to ready oneself. Yet, I can't, I cannot do it at this time. I'm assured that everything will be ok by my oversoul, but this just isn't enough. My dear friends, just won't hear the story about the poleshift. My kids still act like I'm a little nuts or deluded, I don't know which. So it feels like a pressure cooker, between a poleshift and plenty.
Chris Thomas.


These people have disrupted their children's lives behind this crap.
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Reply by The Shadow 11 minutes ago
I put a lot of stock in all the predictions for significant events that were expected for this spring. In a sense, I sort of put my life on hold and held my breath. Sometimes you don't realize how tense you are until you relax for a moment and notice how stiff you've been holding yourself. That's how I feel right now.
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It's tidal locking. It's the norm for our solar system.
Eventually the Earth will become tidal locked to the Sun and only one side of our planet will get sunlight.
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That is a rather disturbing thought . . . has any planet accomplished this feat . . . Mercury or others?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Excuse my asking . . . in all the discussion regarding rotation, etc. if it was mentioned I missed it . . . what is the theory to explain why our moon's rotation exactly matches the duration of the revolution around the earth. Does this one face shown to the earth by our moon exist anywhere in the solar system, etc? Thanks!
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Yes, it's called "tidal locking" and is extremely common. In fact, most other moons in the solar system exhibit the same behavior. It naturally happens over time when a less massive body is in orbit around a more massive body. The tidal forces induced in the less massive body tend to synchronize its rotation over time to match it's orbital period.
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It's tidal locking. It's the norm for our solar system.
Eventually the Earth will become tidal locked to the Sun and only one side of our planet will get sunlight.


That is a rather disturbing thought . . . has any planet accomplished this feat . . . Mercury or others?
 Quoting: George B


Mercury is locked into a 3:2 resonance with the sun. And the Earth and Venus are in a complex 13:8 tidal lock with each other.
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From the Ning.

Reply by The Shadow 11 minutes ago
I put a lot of stock in all the predictions for significant events that were expected for this spring. In a sense, I sort of put my life on hold and held my breath. Sometimes you don't realize how tense you are until you relax for a moment and notice how stiff you've been holding yourself. That's how I feel right now.

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I'd rather not even know what's going on over there. It's depressing that there exist people so completely ignorant and divorced from reality that they will ruin the lives of their kids over some kook cult.
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It's tidal locking. It's the norm for our solar system.
Eventually the Earth will become tidal locked to the Sun and only one side of our planet will get sunlight.


That is a rather disturbing thought . . . has any planet accomplished this feat . . . Mercury or others?


Mercury is locked into a 3:2 resonance with the sun. And the Earth and Venus are in a complex 13:8 tidal lock with each other.
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Wow, any idea on the time needed for this sync to happen? Is it affected by proximity to the larger body, angular momentum, etc.?

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It's tidal locking. It's the norm for our solar system.
Eventually the Earth will become tidal locked to the Sun and only one side of our planet will get sunlight.


That is a rather disturbing thought . . . has any planet accomplished this feat . . . Mercury or others?


Mercury is locked into a 3:2 resonance with the sun. And the Earth and Venus are in a complex 13:8 tidal lock with each other.


Wow, any idea on the time needed for this sync to happen? Is it affected by proximity to the larger body, angular momentum, etc.?
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The mathematics of the time scale are at

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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From the Ning.

Reply by The Shadow 11 minutes ago
I put a lot of stock in all the predictions for significant events that were expected for this spring. In a sense, I sort of put my life on hold and held my breath. Sometimes you don't realize how tense you are until you relax for a moment and notice how stiff you've been holding yourself. That's how I feel right now.



I'd rather not even know what's going on over there. It's depressing that there exist people so completely ignorant and divorced from reality that they will ruin the lives of their kids over some kook cult.
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While I don't disagree with what you said . . . there are many, many more sources of information regarding the "pending doom" . . . just watch the History and Discovery Channels almost any night of the week. It has become a feeding frenzy of the biggest and most disturbing doom possible.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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I have said, for a long time now, that this whole thing is an organized movement. Oranized on what level, I don't really know, but this PX(and other various doom) thing has been artificially pushed, IMO.
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While I don't disagree with what you said . . . there are many, many more sources of information regarding the "pending doom" . . . just watch the History and Discovery Channels almost any night of the week. It has become a feeding frenzy of the biggest and most disturbing doom possible.
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On the documentaries on asteroid collisions, yes, they are a part of earth's history and will no doubt happen again. The question isn't IF, but WHEN.

As for the docs on the various 2012 doomsday ideas, haven't you watched them all the way through when they show towards the end that there is no evidence to support any of it?
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Here is a good article on the 2012 foolishness.

[link to www.slate.com]
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Here's another showing that there is absolutly nothing astronomically signficant about the year 2012.

[link to www.dartmouth.edu]
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I have said, for a long time now, that this whole thing is an organized movement. Oranized on what level, I don't really know, but this PX(and other various doom) thing has been artificially pushed, IMO.
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That is my point exactly. There is an agenda and it is not just to make money and get viewers.
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While I don't disagree with what you said . . . there are many, many more sources of information regarding the "pending doom" . . . just watch the History and Discovery Channels almost any night of the week. It has become a feeding frenzy of the biggest and most disturbing doom possible.



On the documentaries on asteroid collisions, yes, they are a part of earth's history and will no doubt happen again. The question isn't IF, but WHEN.

As for the docs on the various 2012 doomsday ideas, haven't you watched them all the way through when they show towards the end that there is no evidence to support any of it?
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I have watched most of them and to the end. I have researched many of the sources for the information independently and have come to the conclusion that for each position there is a counter position. It rests with the observer. What is the preponderance of the evidence. Do you trust the sources, what does your heart and head tell you. My only conclusion is that there are agendas being played out. That is all I will conclude at this time. I also will conclude that many people are confused and yes many frightened especially younger people.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Reply by Chris Thomas Wakefield 11 hours ago
Oh yeah, I really feel it. This period of time is so extra hard, for me anyway, because it's the time when the banks are stable, food, equipment, seed tools are all readily available and yet we are only a year out from the poleshift: prime time to ready oneself. Yet, I can't, I cannot do it at this time. I'm assured that everything will be ok by my oversoul, but this just isn't enough. My dear friends, just won't hear the story about the poleshift. My kids still act like I'm a little nuts or deluded, I don't know which. So it feels like a pressure cooker, between a poleshift and plenty.
Chris Thomas.


These people have disrupted their children's lives behind this crap.
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That is the bit that bothers me most. For me, it serves as the greatest incentive to get the real facts out there and help people understand them.
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While I don't disagree with what you said . . . there are many, many more sources of information regarding the "pending doom" . . . just watch the History and Discovery Channels almost any night of the week. It has become a feeding frenzy of the biggest and most disturbing doom possible.



On the documentaries on asteroid collisions, yes, they are a part of earth's history and will no doubt happen again. The question isn't IF, but WHEN.

As for the docs on the various 2012 doomsday ideas, haven't you watched them all the way through when they show towards the end that there is no evidence to support any of it?


I have watched most of them and to the end. I have researched many of the sources for the information independently and have come to the conclusion that for each position there is a counter position. It rests with the observer. What is the preponderance of the evidence. Do you trust the sources, what does your heart and head tell you. My only conclusion is that there are agendas being played out. That is all I will conclude at this time. I also will conclude that many people are confused and yes many frightened especially younger people.
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The two references I linked above will tell you a lot. Now, if you have some "evidence" that you think is worthy of discussion, please bring it forth along with your references for it.
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Reply by Chris Thomas Wakefield 11 hours ago
Oh yeah, I really feel it. This period of time is so extra hard, for me anyway, because it's the time when the banks are stable, food, equipment, seed tools are all readily available and yet we are only a year out from the poleshift: prime time to ready oneself. Yet, I can't, I cannot do it at this time. I'm assured that everything will be ok by my oversoul, but this just isn't enough. My dear friends, just won't hear the story about the poleshift. My kids still act like I'm a little nuts or deluded, I don't know which. So it feels like a pressure cooker, between a poleshift and plenty.
Chris Thomas.


These people have disrupted their children's lives behind this crap.


That is the bit that bothers me most. For me, it serves as the greatest incentive to get the real facts out there and help people understand them.
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Every generation has faced great challenges, every generation felt that their generation could be the last. When I was just a child I thought the Atomic Bomb was the end of the world. It didn't happen. I thought the Communist would take over the world . .. it didn't happen. Now we are being bombarded with many different sources of Doom from Hollywood to the internet, to the TV. The difference now is that the economy is in the tank, education is failing, the family is under attack from many sources, and the religious institutions are failing. No one trusts the government at any level and Corporations are seen as the bane of society. I can't blame someone for thinking the end is just over the next hill. The thing is if one feels this way one should shield the children . . . that is proper parenting.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B

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