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Reply by Chris Thomas Wakefield 11 hours ago
Oh yeah, I really feel it. This period of time is so extra hard, for me anyway, because it's the time when the banks are stable, food, equipment, seed tools are all readily available and yet we are only a year out from the poleshift: prime time to ready oneself. Yet, I can't, I cannot do it at this time. I'm assured that everything will be ok by my oversoul, but this just isn't enough. My dear friends, just won't hear the story about the poleshift. My kids still act like I'm a little nuts or deluded, I don't know which. So it feels like a pressure cooker, between a poleshift and plenty.
Chris Thomas.


These people have disrupted their children's lives behind this crap.


That is the bit that bothers me most. For me, it serves as the greatest incentive to get the real facts out there and help people understand them.


Every generation has faced great challenges, every generation felt that their generation could be the last. When I was just a child I thought the Atomic Bomb was the end of the world. It didn't happen. I thought the Communist would take over the world . .. it didn't happen. Now we are being bombarded with many different sources of Doom from Hollywood to the internet, to the TV. The difference now is that the economy is in the tank, education is failing, the family is under attack from many sources, and the religious institutions are failing. No one trusts the government at any level and Corporations are seen as the bane of society. I can't blame someone for thinking the end is just over the next hill. The thing is if one feels this way one should shield the children . . . that is proper parenting.
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EVERY generation has had its challenges. Can you name one in the last several centuries that hasn't? You have to get things in perspective. If you have shortsightedness and don't know history, then sure...you might be panicing. Just like those who think that earthquakes have increased, etc. They simply do not look at the historic record. That's exactly what Zetatalk breeds on...ignorance of science and history.
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The two references I linked above will tell you a lot. Now, if you have some "evidence" that you think is worthy of discussion, please bring it forth along with your references for it.
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The references you identified deal primarily with the Mayan Calendar issues. The debate over the conclusion based on the proper translation of the Mayan Codex and what does the end of a calendar mean is for anyone to debate. People will always make money selling their theories. The existence of Planet-X is in the same boat . . . it was theorized to possibly exist based on 100 year old theories about the perturbations of the orbits of the outer planets. Again Zecharia Sitchen with questionable credentials made a lot out of his translation of Sumerian clay tablets . . . again a money maker. There are other things to consider like the one below:
Not to mention those warnings listed in the Christian Bible etc. People do take their religion seriously.



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Watching people take this pole-shift nonsense seriously is truly saddening. Especially when you consider that just a bit of education would dispell any such ludicrous fears.

It's a shame.
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Watching people take this pole-shift nonsense seriously is truly saddening. Especially when you consider that just a bit of education would dispell any such ludicrous fears.

It's a shame.
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I think you overestimate the power of data "education" to dispel fears. It is like pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it. In this case the hole in the bucket is very large. Also people's emotions are involved. You can discuss logic and then show a person a couple of movies, two or three History and Discovery Channel episodes and throw in one or two sermons regarding the second coming of Christ and TILT.
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The two references I linked above will tell you a lot. Now, if you have some "evidence" that you think is worthy of discussion, please bring it forth along with your references for it.

The referenced you identified deal primarily with the Mayan Calendar issues. The debate over the conclusion based on the proper translation of the Mayan Codex and what does the end of a calendar mean is for anyone to debate. People will always make money selling their theories. The existence of Planet-X is in the same boat . . . it was theorized to possibly exist based on 100 year old theories about the perturbations of the orbits of the outer planets. Again Zecharia Sitchen with questionable credentials made a lot out of his translation of Sumerian clay tablets . . . again a money maker. There are other things to consider like the one below:
Not to mention those warnings listed in the Christian Bible etc. People do take their religion seriously.


 Quoting: George B


Solar flares and their potential for damage have been known for decades. 2012 just happenes to be at the predicted height of the normal 11-year solar activity cycle, but this cycle has proven to be one of the quietest in recent memory with very few sunspots in evidence.
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I have answered the main points again and again and people have gotten it.


What people are those, Clare?


Duh,
and others have gotten my point long ago.
Not all, but some.


Who are those some people, Clare?

I'm no astronomer but it's easy for me to understand what Menow et al are saying. But it sure isn't easy to understand what you're saying, Clare. Your explanations do tend to make my head spin. Is that your intention, to make people so confused they no longer know right from wrong?

So, is there anyone here who actually GOT IT what Clare is saying (other than the Ghost of Einstein, that is)? If there is, please say so and maybe also translate her speak into something clear, thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 949157

Catseye and 74444.

The fact is, the Moon's primary orbit is around Earth. It does not revolve ("spin" on its axis), it merely rotates around Earth. The Earth revolves, while it goes around the Sun, as does Venus (backwards).

What the motion is relative to the Sun is irrelevant to comparing revolution with mere rotation, but it is where this confusion is coming from in your minds:

From the Sun, it does show different faces, giving it phases, because it spins on its axis ("revolves") RELATIVE TO THE SUN (giving phases, not true diurnal motion, which would be relative to the Earth, not the Sun, if the Earth were a sun).


Proper diurnal motion is revolution determinable at its lowest-order orbit. Going to higher orders (such as the Moon seen from the Sun) is not comparable.

If the Earth and Venus didn't have rotation diurnal motion relative to the Sun, (and the Sun weren't a light source) they would still revolve (spin on their axes) relative to the centre of the GALAXY. They would receive phases from the centre of the galaxy.

But that would, as with the Moon, be due to their rotation relative to the Sun as IT goes around the galaxy. They would not rotate relative to the Sun.

WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.

Do you get this? Draw it out at each level and compare apples with apples instead of the Moon to the Sun's view, which is like Earth or Venus from not the Sun's view, but the Galaxy's view.
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The fact is, the Moon's primary orbit is around Earth. It does not revolve ("spin" on its axis), it merely rotates around Earth.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

It spins on its axis once per orbit, if it didn't rotate then it would be stationary with respect to the stars and we would see all sides of it. It experiences sidereal time, therefore it rotates. If you were to launch from the moon's surface you would notice that it takes less delta-V to reach lunar orbit when launching with the rotation of the moon than against it. You're wrong, you've always been wrong about this subject because you always use an inappropriate frame of reference. Whether it shows more than one side from earth's point of view does not matter. The presence or absence of sidereal motion as seen from the surface of the moon is the only thing that matters.

It's unfortunate that you are not the reasonable person you tried to portray yourself as.

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Excuse my asking . . . in all the discussion regarding rotation, etc. if it was mentioned I missed it . . . what is the theory to explain why our moon's rotation exactly matches the duration of the revolution around the earth. Does this one face shown to the earth by our moon exist anywhere in the solar system, etc? Thanks!


Yes, it's called "tidal locking" and is extremely common. In fact, most other moons in the solar system exhibit the same behavior. It naturally happens over time when a less massive body is in orbit around a more massive body. The tidal forces induced in the less massive body tend to synchronize its rotation over time to match it's orbital period.
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Yes, and it means it doesn't revolve at that level of action. It rotates only.

This is the thing which is different than the Earth relative to ITS first-order orbit, the Sun.

And it's why Nancy said it dosn't "spin on its axis". Relative to its orbital direction, relative to its first-order movement around Earth, she's right. And you all know this too! It was what she meant.

(She did get wrong whether it's a true orbit, however. It is.)

Relative to the Sun, you're right: the Moon shows face-change, from circling the Earth, giving phases. AND over the Moon's orbit of the Sun, this does not appear as a retrograde, prograde motion, the Moon actually spins on its axis along the sine wave around the Sun. It is being dragged to face the Earth and also going back and forth to orbit it, hence the spin on its axis, AT THE LEVEL OF THE SUN'S VIEW.
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As for the docs on the various 2012 doomsday ideas, haven't you watched them all the way through when they show towards the end that there is no evidence to support any of it?


I have watched most of them and to the end. I have researched many of the sources for the information independently and have come to the conclusion that for each position there is a counter position.
 Quoting: George B


And so those who are unable to discern the quality of the arguments conclude that they are stalemated. They only see that there has been a 'retort', each time, not that the 'retort' has any real merit.


It rests with the observer.
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It rests with those who know the science. By the way, this 'science' of which I speak is not apposed to some sort of "feeling" type of assessment. It is opposed to the alleged "science" spouted by those who only THINK they are citing valid evidence.
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WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.

 Quoting: mclarek 981736


WTF?

Is anyone following any of this logic?

Boiled down to bones, I think Clare is simply trying to defend Lieder's primitive cosmology. In other words, from the perspective of someone on Earth who believes the Earth is flat, the Moon is not spinning.
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Solar flares and their potential for damage have been known for decades. 2012 just happenes to be at the predicted height of the normal 11-year solar activity cycle, but this cycle has proven to be one of the quietest in recent memory with very few sunspots in evidence.
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Bravo! You just listed a counter point. I have read scientists worried about the degree of low activity . . . could it be the beginning of a mini Ice Age? It is not the theory that counts or necessarily its basis in reality, it is the volume and number of them . . . the herd is spooked! Why are they spooking the herd?

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So, if PX doesn't happen, then at least the PX crowd will be more prepared to be like the Amish.

Why does no-one here notice that.

Perhaps, if Menow's comment is right, that the PX thing is the red herring, not, *vice versa* the NASA story above, then it would have been good to heed the warnings from the putative Zetas anyway. They warned long before NASA.

The idea nothing is gonna happen is from you guys, not NASA, notice.

And as was brought up in Jesse Ventura's 2012 program of "Conspiracy Theory", the NASA claims of this "fireball" (look at the picture in the video above: it's the size of the Sun! Hope the artists are wrong there!), will knock out the power grids because NOTHING SUFFICIENT IS BEING DONE against it, to protect the power grid overall.
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Catseye and 74444.
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Let's have them speak for themselves, shall we?

The fact is, the Moon's primary orbit is around Earth. It does not revolve ("spin" on its axis), it merely rotates around Earth.
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And STILL you insist upon using 'rotate' improperly to describe an orbit. This is INTENTIONAL obfuscation on your part!


The Earth revolves, while it goes around the Sun, as does Venus (backwards).
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And AGAIN you use 'revolve' improperly to describe ROTATION! This is INTENTIONAL obfuscation on your part!

What the motion is relative to the Sun is irrelevant to comparing revolution with mere rotation, but it is where this confusion is coming from in your minds:
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There is nothing "mere" about rotation. It is what it is. Revolution is what*IT* is. You should learn the difference!

From the Sun, it does show different faces, giving it phases, because it spins on its axis ("revolves") RELATIVE TO THE SUN (giving phases, not true diurnal motion, which would be relative to the Earth, not the Sun, if the Earth were a sun).
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How many times do you need to be told that "diurnal" rotation has nothing to to with rotation relative to Earth?

(snip rest, as meaningless do to being based on your above false premise)
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I don't think there's an organized effort to promote this beyond increasing book sales and ratings.

It's a modern recycling of the Flood Myth, Ragnarok, etc., it appeals to a lot of people on an irrational level and publishers and producers are just cashing in.

These cable documentaries are pretty ridiculous, especially the usual cast of talking heads. Just because someone is sitting in front of a bookcase and there's a subtitle that says "researcher and author" doesn't mean they're not batshit crazy.
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The fact is, the Moon's primary orbit is around Earth. It does not revolve ("spin" on its axis), it merely rotates around Earth. The Earth revolves, while it goes around the Sun, as does Venus (backwards).

What the motion is relative to the Sun is irrelevant to comparing revolution with mere rotation, but it is where this confusion is coming from in your minds:

From the Sun, it does show different faces, giving it phases, because it spins on its axis ("revolves") RELATIVE TO THE SUN (giving phases, not true diurnal motion, which would be relative to the Earth, not the Sun, if the Earth were a sun).

 Quoting: mclarek 981736

Please use the correct terminology! In that first paragraph, you used "revolve" everywhere you should use "rotate", and "rotate" everywhere you should use "revolve". Do not take that to mean I agree with you that the Moon does not rotate. I'm just saying you completely switched the definitions of the two terms, and it's just incomprehensible that you would continue to do that after all you have written here.
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WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.
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Well, since "revolve" and "orbit" mean the same thing, your statement is meaningless.
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WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.



WTF?

Is anyone following any of this logic?

Boiled down to bones, I think Clare is simply trying to defend Lieder's primitive cosmology. In other words, from the perspective of someone on Earth who believes the Earth is flat, the Moon is not spinning.
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It is tidally locked. It does not face different sides to the Earth. It does not revolve AS IT MOVES AROUND EARTH, from Earth's perspective.

The Earth DOES revolve as it moves around its first-order orbit, i.e., around the Sun. The Earth is NOT tidally locked with the Sun -- and other planets, like Venus are not also.

This is the comparison. This is what she meant that the Moon does not spin on its axis. It is relative to Earth ONLY. Just as we are speaking relative to the Sun, when we say the Earth or Venus do, and not confusing it with a higher order orbit, say, around the centre of the Galaxy.

The only view from which the Moon orbits on its axis is *not first-order view* (around the Earth); it is from the view of the Sun that the Moon spins/revolves as it goes forward on its rotation. This gives the Moon phases (spin on its axis) over the sine wave of its orbit around the Earth and Sun together.

The Moon does not have revolution along its first-order orbit, around Earth. The Earth and Venus revolve as they orbit their first-order orbital centre, the Sun.
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So, if PX doesn't happen, then at least the PX crowd will be more prepared to be like the Amish.

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These guys aren't prepared to be like the Amish.

It's at least 90 percent fantasy.
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snip irrelevant babble
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If the moon does not rotate on its own axis, then why does it have sunrises and sunsets every 28 or so days?
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WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.


Well, since "revolve" and "orbit" mean the same thing, your statement is meaningless.
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No they don't. No I don't mean them the same.

I changed to your technical use of "revolve", many posts ago. And have been using "rotate" to mean total orbital positions around another axis.

Revolve is therefore the name (as you wished) for any turn on its axis EVEN RELATIVE TO ALL FORWARD MOTION NOT CONSIDERED ... if mere TIME is considered.

Venus has this. Earth has this. Relative to the Sun, they Revolve.

The Moon does not have this, relative to the Earth.

You know this. Why keep on with it, saying I am being meaningless.

I have made adjustments to your jargon usage. Now you adjust to seeing what I'm talking of.
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WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.



WTF?

Is anyone following any of this logic?

Boiled down to bones, I think Clare is simply trying to defend Lieder's primitive cosmology. In other words, from the perspective of someone on Earth who believes the Earth is flat, the Moon is not spinning.


It is tidally locked. It does not face different sides to the Earth. It does not revolve AS IT MOVES AROUND EARTH, from Earth's perspective.
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Isn't that exactly what I just said your position was?
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It rests with those who know the science. By the way, this 'science' of which I speak is not apposed to some sort of "feeling" type of assessment. It is opposed to the alleged "science" spouted by those who only THINK they are citing valid evidence.
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Oh, you mean like East Anglia Univeristy and climate gate.
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If the moon does not rotate on its own axis, then why does it have sunrises and sunsets every 28 or so days?
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Already covered that: from the Sun's perspective, it does rotate on its axis forward, but that is not first-order rotation for the Moon.

The Sun IS first-order rotation for Venus and Earth and the Planets. The EARTH is for the Moon.

So, the faces (or lack thereof) the Moon shows Earth is the comparison here, to determine if the Moon revolves as it orbits (implied, orbits THE EARTH).
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I don't think there's an organized effort to promote this beyond increasing book sales and ratings.

It's a modern recycling of the Flood Myth, Ragnarok, etc., it appeals to a lot of people on an irrational level and publishers and producers are just cashing in.

These cable documentaries are pretty ridiculous, especially the usual cast of talking heads. Just because someone is sitting in front of a bookcase and there's a subtitle that says "researcher and author" doesn't mean they're not batshit crazy.
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The general PX thing has been coming through "channelled" sources for almost 25 years in my personal experience via knowing people who "channel". Don't even start with the 'all channelling is fake' argument. I'm tired of that discussion. If you haven't personally known people who "channel"(whatever that is) for 20+ years, then you are arguing without direct personal experience. The people I have known who were "channelling" stuff about that were definately not intentionally faking the phenomenon. It is something more than simply fake.

That's all I care to say about it.
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So, if PX doesn't happen, then at least the PX crowd will be more prepared to be like the Amish.




These guys aren't prepared to be like the Amish.

It's at least 90 percent fantasy.
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Safer to overdo the preps.
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I don't think there's an organized effort to promote this beyond increasing book sales and ratings.

It's a modern recycling of the Flood Myth, Ragnarok, etc., it appeals to a lot of people on an irrational level and publishers and producers are just cashing in.

These cable documentaries are pretty ridiculous, especially the usual cast of talking heads. Just because someone is sitting in front of a bookcase and there's a subtitle that says "researcher and author" doesn't mean they're not batshit crazy.
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I would agree but I know one of the producers of the channels mentioned. Their agenda and subjects are approved at a very high level. They do not independently just decide to produce X.
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The Moon does not have this, relative to the Earth.
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Which is an absolutely irrelevant frame of reference and inappropriate to answer the question, "does the moon rotate about its axis." If you launch a spaceship from the moon's surface into lunar orbit, does it require more delta-V to launch due west than due east? The answer, unless you're sitting on the axis at one of the poles (which is also true for earth), is yes. The reason? The moon is rotating about its axis.
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The fact is, the Moon's primary orbit is around Earth. It does not revolve ("spin" on its axis), it merely rotates around Earth. The Earth revolves, while it goes around the Sun, as does Venus (backwards).
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Clare, it's time to stop this foolishness. You are constantly mis-using terms. The moon indeed DOES ROTATE or SPIN on its axis as it REVOLVES around the earth. Please quit mis-using these terms. They have very different and non-confusing definitions.

You have also been asked dozens of times now (but have evaded answering each time) what an observer would see if he stood on the north pole of the moon and looked straight up...what would the star field appear to do? This is a very simple question. Why do you avoid it at all costs?
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
WHEN NANCY SAID IT DOESN'T SPIN ON ITS AXIS SHE MEANT IT DOESN'T REVOLVE AS IT ORBITS THE EARTH, though in orbiting the Sun together, it does in fact spin on its axis, and she didn't realize that.


Well, since "revolve" and "orbit" mean the same thing, your statement is meaningless.

No they don't.
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Of course they do. References were provided.

No I don't mean them the same.
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You don't get to redefine well-understood technical terms to suit you.

I changed to your technical use of "revolve", many posts ago. And have been using "rotate" to mean total orbital positions around another axis.
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Sorry, but you are still wrong. "Rotate" does NOT mean "total orbital positions around another axis".


total orbital positions around another axis
Revolve is therefore the name (as you wished) for any turn on its axis EVEN RELATIVE TO ALL FORWARD MOTION NOT CONSIDERED ... if mere TIME is considered.


Wrong. "revolve" describes an orbit.

total orbital positions around another axis
total orbital positions around another axis
Venus has this. Earth has this. Relative to the Sun, they Revolve.

The Moon does not have this, relative to the Earth.

You know this. Why keep on with it, saying I am being meaningless.

I have made adjustments to your jargon usage. Now you adjust to seeing what I'm talking of.



No you have not. You are STILL using the terms incorrectly. See above.
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It rests with those who know the science. By the way, this 'science' of which I speak is not apposed to some sort of "feeling" type of assessment. It is opposed to the alleged "science" spouted by those who only THINK they are citing valid evidence.


Oh, you mean like East Anglia Univeristy and climate gate.
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Only vaguely familiar, but probably.