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Okay, the Moon rotates. It rotates on its sine wave. But the cause is the REVOLUTION around the Earth.

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No, wrong again, as noted in my post above.
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Think it through, Menow and the rest. Did your physics teachers never point this out? Well, if not, draw it out and see it. Minus Moon's revolution around Earth, NO ROTATION relative to Sun.


No, YOU find a physics teacher to back you up!
 Quoting: Menow 935048


I have yet to see Clare even attempt to find a single reference to back up any of her pontifications. She'd have a difficult time doing so since none exist.
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Yes, it is rotating from forces and multiple directions of those forces, but if all were stopped EXCEPT the revolution around the Earth, the other visual perspectives would see the Moon still rotating, whereas stop that and it would NOT rotate,
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Dead wrong.
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Is English your native language?


a) You can't read? My English vocab and creativity, even if occasionally not knowing a jargon-term, are excellent.

b) You mean to say you want me to get your point that you do not need me to care. As in, the sentence, "Do you speak English?!!?" used almost as an expletive. If the latter, I already said I don't need you and vice versa, but appreciation goes beyond that, in healthy people's interactions, and I am pointing that out in case you forgot.


On both possibilities from you, if you're gonna be like this, then:
yapping
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I really don't understand what you just said. However, my question is . . . is English your first language? You write as though it is not. You write as though you were first educated in a different language and then learned English afterwards.
Yes? No?

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DANG... it's ssooooo far to the kitchen.... HEY BITCH... BRING ME A BEER!

Come on now, there's no need to push to find the border.
 Quoting: DrPostman

Just a little harmless theater...

Point taken.
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Maybe Clare-bear will pound on this sexist-racist thing until someone believes it actually happened. Nah.. there are no idiots here... other than her of course.
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And then says I'm a troll. LOLOLOL! Oh, and then is sexist in his attack, instead of sex-neutral. Wow.


Your deltaH just went negative relative to an externally internal hotness metric.

That's bad.

Your hotness is waning, you must be doing some adiabatic work. If only it were internally external you'd be ok, but you are quickly but slowly losing internal E.

Clapeyron.
Clausius.
Gibbs.


R.
 Quoting: Reality 970551


A person is hotter for standing up for him or herself, and larger truths. It is your meter which is off. :)

Besides, with such an out-of-whack measurement system in you, I would not only not engage with you further until it shows some improvement, I wouldn't engage you romantically ... so I don't care if you don't find my self-respect hot. :) Unless, as I said, you improve your sense of what's hot ... LOL. Not likely, but I do hope you do one day.
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Maybe Clare-bear will pound on this sexist-racist thing until someone believes it actually happened. Nah.. there are no idiots here... other than her of course.
 Quoting: Menow 935048

Okay, to devolve to mere meanness, but not sexist violent language or racist violent language ...

You must be drunk.
Finish up and have a nap.
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"Bitch-slap" is not a sexist reference, you insipid loon.
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"Bitch-slap" is not a sexist reference, you insipid loon.
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As a matter of fact, it is. If a woman is angry and hits someone, it is a hit, not something to mock based on her sex and that she's mocked for her manner and anger.

But anyway, I am not insipid. Do you even know what that means?

Or have you forgotten in your stupor.

(Okay -- anyway, enough of this. I don't need to go on taunting you back. You stop and I'll stop. It's boring.)
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And your pounding on the term 'racist' is downright despicable and indicative of your true nature.
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Clare, you are an embarrassment to your gender. Quite while you are ahead... oops, too late!
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Clare, can you find ANY references that agree with your warped sense of reality about the moon? ANY at all?
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And yes, that is a typo for 'quit'.

And, by the way... I haven't had a drop to drink.
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But the point is if you STOP THE ORBIT AROUND THE SUN, YOU ONLY NEED TO STOP THE ORBIT OF THE MOON AROUND THE EARTH FOR THE ROTATION THE SUN SEES TO STOP.



Absolutely wrong again, Clare. The moon's own angular momentum would keep it rotating on its own axis.
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In reality this is what keeps it up, but it does not in the thought experiment become relevant. It spins in reality, yes, but at the level of its rotation relative not to the Earth, but from the Sun.

You guys are confusing the physics making the system work, with the vectors (motions overall) which it makes.
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"Bitch-slap" is not a sexist reference, you insipid loon.


As a matter of fact, it is. If a woman is angry and hits someone, it is a hit, not something to mock based on her sex and that she's mocked for her manner and anger.

But anyway, I am not insipid. Do you even know what that means?

Or have you forgotten in your stupor.

(Okay -- anyway, enough of this. I don't need to go on taunting you back. You stop and I'll stop. It's boring.)
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


You may not be insipid, but you are certainly highly ignorant and arrogant, which is not a good combination.

You haven't made one intelligent post in this thread.
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But the point is if you STOP THE ORBIT AROUND THE SUN, YOU ONLY NEED TO STOP THE ORBIT OF THE MOON AROUND THE EARTH FOR THE ROTATION THE SUN SEES TO STOP.



Absolutely wrong again, Clare. The moon's own angular momentum would keep it rotating on its own axis.


In reality this is what keeps it up, but it does not in the thought experiment become relevant. It spins in reality, yes, but at the level of its rotation relative not to the Earth, but from the Sun.

You guys are confusing the physics making the system work, with the vectors (motions overall) which it makes.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


No, Clare, it us YOU who are confused. The moon has its own angular momentun and rotation about its own axis relative to the entire universe. If EVERYTHING in the solar system including the sun and earth were to suddenly vanish out of existance, an observer standing on the north pole of the moon would STILL see the star field rotating. The moon would continue to rotate on its own axis under its own momentum.
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Clare, can you find ANY references that agree with your warped sense of reality about the moon? ANY at all?
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I'll ask this again at the risk of being ignored as so many of my questions and thought experiments have been by Clare.
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And yes, that is a typo for 'quit'.

And, by the way... I haven't had a drop to drink.
 Quoting: Menow 935048


Oh now defensive as you made me? Well, fine.

I don't care wither way, Menow. You said you did so I picked on you using it, as you would have me.

That's all. Not nice, not even interesting.

Why DON'T you have a beer? Sometimes they're nice, I think, anyway. :) Relax, have a look at the stars.

Hey, wherever you are, I hope it's nice weather.
We're having a lovely hot few days.
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My use of the expression bitch-slap had to do with the way I thought someone would react to a close encounter with your chronic narcissistic prattling. Would they haul off and slug you squarely? No, you simply don't rate that level of brute aggression. You're too laughable for that. I think someone might slap you repeatedly about the head and shoulders due to having lost all patience with your self-centered nonsense. It had NOTHING to do with whether the frustrated person was female or male. I'm sure you are an equal-opportunity aggravator of all in your general area.
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And yes, that is a typo for 'quit'.

And, by the way... I haven't had a drop to drink.


Oh now defensive as you made me? Well, fine.

I don't care wither way, Menow. You said you did so I picked on you using it, as you would have me.

That's all. Not nice, not even interesting.

Why DON'T you have a beer? Sometimes they're nice, I think, anyway. :) Relax, have a look at the stars.

Hey, wherever you are, I hope it's nice weather.
We're having a lovely hot few days.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


Why don't you answer a few questions and stop being a pathetic troll?
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Clare, can you find ANY references that agree with your warped sense of reality about the moon? ANY at all?


I'll ask this again at the risk of being ignored as so many of my questions and thought experiments have been by Clare.

If she did she would have posted it by now. She doesn't, and
she knows that no one in science supports her. I do keep
waiting for her to come across Grant's old web site with his
bizarre rationalization for why the Moon doesn't rotate on it's
own axis.
 Quoting: DrPostman


I don't even remember what he said about that, but I'm sure it was entertaining!
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As you know, angular momentum is the tendency of an object which is rotating to keep rotating.

What I am talking of it total turns relative to each axis.

If you eliminate its forward direction turns around the Sun, you get the E-M system stopped but the Moon still revolving and the Earth still rotating.

If you stop the Moon revolving, you have no more turns to account for ...

DO YOU GET THAT?

So, it is not in the same degree a rotating body as the Earth or Venus are around their axial centre, the Sun.
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Clare, can you find ANY references that agree with your warped sense of reality about the moon? ANY at all?


I'll ask this again at the risk of being ignored as so many of my questions and thought experiments have been by Clare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795135


I have not ignored ANY THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS -- I may have missed some. I have taken all your baiting and replied again and again.

I am talking of turns and directions (which are like forces, but geometric) to account for all total motion seen; and I am talking of viewpoint at which they are seen. You are talking of total forces on the body.

Different.

So you do YOUR work and I'll just leave you to it. Sick of the attitudes here.
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My use of the expression bitch-slap had to do with the way I thought someone would react to a close encounter with your chronic narcissistic prattling. Would they haul off and slug you squarely? No, you simply don't rate that level of brute aggression. You're too laughable for that. I think someone might slap you repeatedly about the head and shoulders due to having lost all patience with your self-centered nonsense. It had NOTHING to do with whether the frustrated person was female or male. I'm sure you are an equal-opportunity aggravator of all in your general area.
 Quoting: Menow 935048


Then you should note your SEMANTICS, dear.
As to you, you do not, I hope, have any children or a less-mean spouse? You are hellish to deal with most of the time. Or are you only so irascible and thick-headed about others' motives and words, on the forum?
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Are you guys claiming that in conserving angular momentum, if you stopped the E-M system's revolution around the Sun, and the Moon only revolved around the Earth with a tidal lock, that then ...

if you stopped the revolutions of the Moon, but it would still have tidal lock ...

yet it would start rotating on the spot?

If so, then maybe.

Otherwise, it would in fact be still facing the Earth.

Anybody?
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Seriously... haven't the rest of you guys had enough of trying to untangle Clare-isms yet?
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She's now inching her toe closer to where you think she miiiiigh just see the light... in other words, she's baiting you.
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Seriously... haven't the rest of you guys had enough of trying to untangle Clare-isms yet?
 Quoting: Menow 935048

She has no pity . . . she is the ever-ready bunny, she is the timex watch . . . she just keeps on ticking.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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This reminds me of Ninny Lieder and her confusion about the orbits of comets (and every other astro thing).

It must've been 1997 on sci.astro when she was trying to convince everyone that Hale-Bopp wasn't a comet and meeting stiff resistance and getting quick tutorials on the basics of orbits. She could not for the life of her understand how a comet could recede from the sun, reach aphelion, then fall back toward the sun. It was apparent that this was 'magic' to her and she proceeded to completely throw all physics out the window and invent some ZetaPhysics to explain this 'magical' process.

No matter how clear and basic the explanations were, she could not grasp that all it took was the sun's gravity. She hated the concept that its speed wrt the sun-comet axis slowed, went to 0, then reversed and increased as it fell toward perihelion to repeat the process. It may have been during this episode that we got the "particle flows", etc to explain the orbit.
She also could not understand how the comet could fall toward the sun and miss it. She could not understand anything. Yet she was berating everyone that human physics was wrong and her made-up magical, laughable, NancyPhysics was how it really worked.

Being berated by a crazed moron is a special kinda' feeling. It's like having your 3 year old tell you that they know more about auto repair than you, and you should follow their instructions.

Ahhhh, the good old days when PX was still 8 years away and coming to destroy the world with big pointy teeth.

Have fun.


R.