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And that page includes these articles!


Build_Your_Own_Sextant_Out_Of_A_Cd_2004.pdf
Considerations_On_The_Viking_Sun_Compass_2004.pdf
Sundials_2004.pdf
Sundial_Design_And_Construction_2004.pdf
The_Sun_Compass_2004.pdf

It's almost like she's self destucting. Surely she doesn't
want what few followers she has left actually constructing
any of those things?
 Quoting: DrPostman


That PDF of the sextant made out of a CD and legos looked pretty cool.

I'm almost tempted to tackle that if I ever finish my Saturn V model :)
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Where the hell is clare? I am missing my daily dose of "word salat".
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One last thought...


Comeonoverbaby.... whole lotta conFLATIN' goin' on!
 Quoting: Menow 935048

7868
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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I insist that Clare post a pic of herself, so that her hotness may be evaluated by a panel of unbiased observers.

Clare, in the interest of TRUTH and the prusuit of REASON, are you willing?
 Quoting: Returner 997

liason_
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

ZetaMax
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I insist that Clare post a pic of herself, so that her hotness may be evaluated by a panel of unbiased observers.

Clare, in the interest of TRUTH and the prusuit of REASON, are you willing?

 Quoting: Returner

I suspect you may not get a picture you like.
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One last thought...


Comeonoverbaby.... whole lotta conFLATIN' goin' on!

:7868:
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


Ahhhh, we've hurt your pet delusion and insulted your cult high priestess!!

GOOD!

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Dont forget.... its still May!! (just)


NO MAX IN MAY!!!!!

NO luser IN MAY!!!
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Let's make it June, too. It's been very enjoyable without those two twerps around.
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Let's make it June, too. It's been very enjoyable without those two twerps around.
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Agreed!!!

We neither want nor need either one of them, they contribute even less than clunk which is a pretty damning indictment.

non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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now what ya'll gonna do now...???

now that nancy went AMF?????


are ya'll still gonna fight it out???
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Dont forget.... its still May!! (just)


NO MAX IN MAY!!!!!

NO luser IN MAY!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624


It is nice to be rid of the zetatwats and the cultietards.

Good riddance, there is nothing in the zeta message that is worth a flying fuck anyway.
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now what ya'll gonna do now...???

now that nancy went AMF?????


are ya'll still gonna fight it out???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 814500



Sit back and laugh our asses off at the foolishness going on over at kook central (the "ning").
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NO MAX IN JUNE!!!

NO luser IN JUNE!!!

NO clunk EVER!!!!!


Last Edited by The Commentator on 05/28/2010 09:25 PM
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Dont forget.... its still May!! (just)


NO MAX IN MAY!!!!!

NO luser IN MAY!!!


It is nice to be rid of the zetatwats and the cultietards.

Good riddance, there is nothing in the zeta message that is worth a flying fuck anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 985025



Well said!!!!!


NO MAX IN JUNE!!!

NO luser IN JUNE!!!

NO clunk EVER!!!!!

non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I guessed right. They smelled like a spammer and I found the
exact same post to a LOT of threads. He's gone now.
 Quoting: DrPostman

I wondered what that shit was.
"Nothing to see here, go back to sheep..." --- AC 1251379
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From the Ningcompoops:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

i apoligize for not getting the spreadsheet up onquakes. it was going to be from 2000-2010. usgs won't give me the information. so i did one the old fashioned way. finger counting. for the month of may so far thier has been 106 earthquakes 3.8 and up around the world. and there is about 10 days that i can not get information about. and they just found a fault line that runs from new york to alabama, it's bigger then san andres fault. hold on to your hats and backpacks my friends. i am not finished yet. i will get the data that i want. i may have to go to the freedom of information act. these cover ups and lies by our governmet has to stop. we pay thier salaries with our taxes at less they can be truthful to the american population. be safe my friends, joe.


So whats wrong with the following web site? Works for me!
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

The stupidity is amazing. "Won't give me the information"! :wrotfl2:
 Quoting: DrPostman


I notice this is another brainiac who thinks he knows all about rogue celestial objects before he has even worked out how to spell 'their'! It's the arrogance of these people that gets me, the casual disregard for ALL science and insistence that their 'home-spun' knowledge is superior. Extreme delusional psychosis, IMO.
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the lower one


the higher one


then another higher aircraft



no one will convince me otherwise.




In spite of what YOU just wrote!


Meaning the chemtrail was sandwiched between two regular contrails. It is highly unlikely there were three different humidity layers within the same column of air. Not impossible but unlikely. Almost every time I have observed what I consider to be chemtrails or persistent contrails I have seen normal contrails being left by aircraft in or near the same altitude and proximity.

Bullshit. Outright lie.



And just how are you going to prove that my friend?


On its face, it is ludecrous, since YOU can prove no such experience.

I stand on what I stated ... you can not prove otherwise.
I am not running away I have an appointment . . . we will talk later.


Right... I'm required to DISprove your anecdotal claim.

That's rich!
 Quoting: Menow 935048

Number one I don't have to prove anything to you . . . I saw what I saw. Number two, I feel there are contaminates in the contrails other than water vapor and a few other products of fuel combustion. I contend what you are seeing at any altitude, temperature and humidity is the suspended material (i.e. metal salts) not water vapor or ice crystals.

Last Edited by George B on 05/29/2010 03:38 PM
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I said this on day 2 when I realized what viewpoint you were talking of and the forces you were talking of.

What I am asking of YOUR useless words, since you missed the point entirely long ago ...

is, if all other motions stopped, would the angular momentum of the Moon break its tidal lock with the Earth and start to rotate then -- truly rotate RELATIVE TO EARTH?


YES!!!! The moon has angular momentum of its own and will continue to rotate relative to the rest of the universe even if other motions were stopped seperately.


Clare:

This is what we have been trying to say all along. I think you may finally be able to “image” what we have been explaining to you by our answer to your specific question above. Tidal lock is more “synchronization” or “entrainment” than “locking”. Spin does not cease when a body becomes tidally locked.

Something tells me that you may understand this now…No? IMO, I don’t think you’re trolling. I just think you had a blockage in the form of a mental image that you had trouble resolving. Additionally, I think you would regain some respect if you returned and admitted that you finally realize and understand what we have been trying to explain to you.

Cheers
 Quoting: Setheory 869850


Hi. Busy all day. Thank you for the civility, as someone (74444?) said to me a while ago.

I appreciate it. :)

Yes, I know it's synchornization, tidal lock is. It is synchornization in the orbit around the Sun.

And to the person who kept saying I didn't reply about the stars from the Moon's view: I said earlier today how I answered it a few (2?) days ago, and answered it again. Thank you, Menow, for pointing it out today.

No, I'm not trolling. I could use money, though! Lol.

...........

If the motions, however, are considered stilled, except for the Moon -- not that physical bodies disappear and no longer pull on the other bodies -- then the rotation of the Moon expresses itself (*shows as*) an orbit of the Earth (circular); its rotation becomes a circular orbit, showing different faces to the Sun. (And its face is consistent to the Earth.)

However, as you said, if the Moon were rotating at a different RATE around the Sun, on its sine wave, then it would be considered to be rotating ALSO on the superposition level where there is no forward movement of the E-M system.

We are speaking of the same things, but I was trying to point out that ...

- the rotation of the Moon is exactly relative to the Earth's position around the Sun ...

- so in one expression (real motion, which includes the E-M system, orbiting the Sun) the Moon is rotating all along a sine wave orbit of the Sun.

- in another expression (a layer of understanding, or superposition): if the forward vector around the Sun is not counted, the Moon orbits the Earth in a circle and does not show rotation.

Its real motion includes the rotation in a tidal lock, because its real motion is around the Sun.

- But since the Moon's rotation is exactly relative to the Earth's position (barycentre) at each point on its orbit around the Sun ... when you express the motion without the orbit around the Sun, you have stopped seeing rotation, and merely see revolution. This is a relativity issue.


The Moon does rotate, but the motion is exactly commensurate with the position of the Earth barycentre along the forward orbit around the Sun (locked, from the Sun orbit level view, if that motion is considered).


If the Moon had any more rotation (or less), understood as including the forward orbit around the Sun, then it would still be considered rotating from the Earth level ... either retrograde or prograde rotation, respectively, in our view.
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Oh no!

I messed up the bolding code.

I'm gonna re-post.

Oops.
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A re-post with proper bolds.
:)

I said this on day 2 when I realized what viewpoint you were talking of and the forces you were talking of.

What I am asking of YOUR useless words, since you missed the point entirely long ago ...

is, if all other motions stopped, would the angular momentum of the Moon break its tidal lock with the Earth and start to rotate then -- truly rotate RELATIVE TO EARTH?


YES!!!! The moon has angular momentum of its own and will continue to rotate relative to the rest of the universe even if other motions were stopped seperately.


Clare:

This is what we have been trying to say all along. I think you may finally be able to “image” what we have been explaining to you by our answer to your specific question above. Tidal lock is more “synchronization” or “entrainment” than “locking”. Spin does not cease when a body becomes tidally locked.

Something tells me that you may understand this now…No? IMO, I don’t think you’re trolling. I just think you had a blockage in the form of a mental image that you had trouble resolving. Additionally, I think you would regain some respect if you returned and admitted that you finally realize and understand what we have been trying to explain to you.

Cheers
 Quoting: Setheory 869850



Hi. Busy all day. Thank you for the civility, as someone (74444?) said to me a while ago.

I appreciate it. :)

Yes, I know it's synchornization, tidal lock is. It is synchornization in the orbit around the Sun.

And to the person who kept saying I didn't reply about the stars from the Moon's view: I said earlier today how I answered it a few (2?) days ago, and answered it again. Thank you, Menow, for pointing it out today.

No, I'm not trolling. I could use money, though! Lol.

...........

If the motions, however, are considered stilled, except for the Moon -- not that physical bodies disappear and no longer pull on the other bodies -- then the rotation of the Moon expresses itself (*shows as*) an orbit of the Earth (circular); its rotation becomes a circular orbit, showing different faces to the Sun. (And its face is consistent to the Earth.)

However, as you said, if the Moon were rotating at a different RATE around the Sun, on its sine wave, then it would be considered to be rotating ALSO on the superposition level where there is no forward movement of the E-M system.

We are speaking of the same things, but I was trying to point out that ...

- the rotation of the Moon is exactly relative to the Earth's position around the Sun ...

- so in one expression (real motion, which includes the E-M system, orbiting the Sun) the Moon is rotating all along a sine wave orbit of the Sun.

- in another expression (a layer of understanding, or superposition): if the forward vector around the Sun is not counted, the Moon orbits the Earth in a circle and does not show rotation.

Its real motion includes the rotation in a tidal lock, because its real motion is around the Sun.

- But since the Moon's rotation is exactly relative to the Earth's position (barycentre) at each point on its orbit around the Sun ... when you express the motion without the orbit around the Sun, you have stopped seeing rotation, and merely see revolution. This is a relativity issue.


The Moon does rotate, but the motion is exactly commensurate with the position of the Earth barycentre along the forward orbit around the Sun (locked, from the Sun orbit level view, if that motion is considered).


If the Moon had any more rotation (or less), understood as including the forward orbit around the Sun, then it would still be considered rotating from the Earth level ... either retrograde or prograde rotation, respectively, in our view.
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the lower one

the higher one

then another higher aircraft

no one will convince me otherwise.



In spite of what YOU just wrote!

[...]

That's rich!

Number one I don't have to prove anything to you . . . I saw what I saw. Number two, if there are contaminates in the contrails other than water vapor and a few other products of fuel combustion (i.e. metal salts) what you are seeing at any altitude, temperature and humidity is the suspended material not water vapor or ice crystals.
 Quoting: George B and Menow


It sure seems that some delayed (non-dispersed) contrails are chemtrails: if they last many minutes or disperse into clouds, they are not ordinary contrails.

Contrails can last, of course, a few minutes in certain conditions. But they do not become cloud-like in smearing across the sky.

We know this from skywriting, an acknowledged non-contrail, or "chemtrail", so to speak. Skywriting fumes can linger or disperse relatively quickly or over a longer period of time. But compared to contrails, it has much longer dispersal rate in the same conditions than the contrails of that day -- and different visual consistency, or pattern of cloud formation.

I am sure some chemtrails are misidentified. However, I think not all can be misidentifications.

Will post the reference to the article tomorrow. Found it earlier, but am not currently at home. Good night.
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New load of Nancy-goo:

Chandler's Wobble is a fraction of a degree, I think. The Earth wobble that is due to Planet X is many degrees, 10-20 for those at the far edge of the wobble, at the right time of day. Below are exagerated globes showing the Earth wobble we track on the ZetaTalk website, well, have tracked periodically.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: LIEDer

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Wat are the Ningies claiming today?

An immense database of information on pole shift survival has become available.

<snip>

... navigate when your compass is worthless.
[link to ps-survival.com]

And that page includes these articles!

Build_Your_Own_Sextant_Out_Of_A_Cd_2004.pdf
Considerations_On_The_Viking_Sun_Compass_2004.pdf
Sundials_2004.pdf
Sundial_Design_And_Construction_2004.pdf
The_Sun_Compass_2004.pdf

lmao
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Now that's something ... the world is suppossed to wobble like 20 degrees and it is stopped in orbit and whatnot but the Zetards recommend navigation by the sun and the stars rofl

And if I logged into my account there and asked "what will these means of navigation be worth when the sun and the stars are not in the correct position" I would get banned at once.
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I insist that Clare post a pic of herself, so that her hotness may be evaluated by a panel of unbiased observers.

Clare, in the interest of TRUTH and the prusuit of REASON, are you willing?
 Quoting: Returner 997

No, in the interest of morbid curiosity, on your part.

For you have been never kind, Returner.

In the interest of, in fact, TRUTH and REASON, and full discussion, however -- as well as the fact that it will likely become clear I'm not a troll, or a narrow follower of Nancy ...

if anyone wants to listen for 2 hours, they can hear the interview I did with Professor Emeritus Jim Fetzer, Ph.D., professor of Critical Reasoning and Philosophy of Science, on his show, "The Real Deal" -- which is hit and miss, but there are some great shows among them. Of course, parts of an interview may be worthwhile, or whole interviews may be useful, but rarely is all of an interview worthwhile OR useless.

Anyway, mine is at [link to radiofetzer.blogspot.com] and you can download by clicking my name, from Nov. 18, 2009, or press the streaming bar below my name (but it's annoying to use streaming, I find).

I think one of the best interviews he did was:
Jun. 3, 2009 with Dangerous Dan Marvin, at [link to radiofetzer.blogspot.com]

"God bless," to everyone here (with or without a literal God, lol).
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Re. Jim shows: Sound is better if you download, though, rather than any form of on-line listening. Right-click the name of the interviewee to download any show.

Excellence is not perfection, of course, in sound OR interviewees!
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But I should remind you maybe -- some of you -- listen through any interview in order not to get stuck on one element or another which an interview process moves onto. Or you might miss insights which are unrelated to mistakes, or insights which become clear over time, but which seem at first to be mistakes.
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By the way, I think the last portion of my own interview was one of the best. So hope if you listen, you listen through to the end part.

Sleep well.
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If the Moon had any more rotation (or less), understood as including the forward orbit around the Sun, then it would still be considered rotating from the Earth level ... either retrograde or prograde rotation, respectively, in our view.
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Oops. Not retrograde.
Just faster or slower rotation ... but noticeable instead of not noticeable, as current tidal lock makes it, and faster or slower orbit of us in our view.

Tired.

Good night.
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A re-post with proper bolds.
:)
[snip]
Hi. Busy all day. Thank you for the civility, as someone (74444?) said to me a while ago.

I appreciate it. :)

Yes, I know it's synchornization, tidal lock is. It is synchornization in the orbit around the Sun.

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Noticed my double typo of "synchornization" for "synchronization". Lol. Fatigue-derived dyslexia.

:)
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]

I love the first 2 comments in particular

`Zetas right again '
`The accuracy of zeta is very surprising!! '



`Geological investigations in the Himalayas have revealed evidence that when India and Asia collided some 90 million years ago, the continental crust of the Indian tectonic plate was forced down under the Asian plate, sinking down into the Earth's mantle to a depth of at least 200 km kilometres.

"The subduction of continental crust to this depth has never been reported in the Himalayas and is also extremely rare in the rest of world," said Dr Anju Pandey of the National Oceanography Centre in Southampton, who led the research.

Pandey and her colleagues used sophisticated analytical techniques to demonstrate the occurrence of relict majorite, a variety of mineral garnet, in rocks collected from the Himalayas.

Majorite is stable only under ultra-high pressure conditions, meaning that they must have been formed very deep down in the Earth's crust, before the subducted material was exhumed millions of years later.'

originally from Deep Subduction of the Indian Continental Crust Beneath Asia

ScienceDaily (May 28, 2010) (I rather give credit where it's due rather than the ning)

what I can't get over is that they apparently don't even bother to read the articles they post anymore before exclaiming `zetards wrong again!!'

Really- the zetas caused this to happen...
(shhh dont tell anyone from the ning to read past the first half of the first sentence) 90 million years ago...

(slaps forehead)

and of course nancy or the zetas didn't actually `predict' this discovery either

Science - its what real people do
cults - its what conartists do...

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