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If the Moon had any more rotation (or less), understood as including the forward orbit around the Sun, then it would still be considered rotating from the Earth level ... either retrograde or prograde rotation, respectively, in our view.


Oops. Not retrograde.
Just faster or slower rotation ... but noticeable instead of not noticeable, as current tidal lock makes it, and faster or slower orbit of us in our view.

Tired.

Good night.
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Actually, it would look retrograde in rotation, if it rotated relative to the Sun but more slowly than it does with its tidal lock right now. I think. Anyway, was tired.

It wouldn't affect how fast it revolved though, on its own.

How is everyone?
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What about this:
Here is another good clip showing the difference between a chemtrail and contrail within the same general proximity. I bring your attention to images found at 4:37 to end of clip.


 Quoting: George B

Excellent video all through.

Of course, DrPostman's right about the purpose of this thread, but since the poster listed a number of conspiracies as mockeries of me, if I believed (or knew, beyond a reasonable doubt) that some were in fact conspiratorial operations instead of natural occurrences of freak behaviour of lone nuts, etc. ...

You had every right to respond, as did, I with a reply comment a while back.

Had I not on all of the issues (or you not, George -- primarily on this issue), I would simply have been baited for not answering; and if I had answered alone, some ignoramuses who think they know more than they do about these issues, would have laughed.

So, I hope to see Menow's response, but chemtrails are not the whole point of that post made to mock knowledge about different conspiracies.

(And cryptozoology, at least some of the claims. For Gosh's sake: for a long time no one believed possible the sightings of the ancient fish called a coelacanth -- pron. "SEE-la-kanth" -- and now it is famous and acknowledged to have survived from ancient times through now.)
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I know we said no clunk- so here is noclunk

Just had a wander around that `interview' she was trying to push (2hrs of streaming audio on a limited download account- I think not...)

Going to the mainpage shows what sort of site it is..
if it's a wacked out `theory' of anything and everything, you can get an interview there no problems...
suprised nancy hasn't already appeared there- she makes some of them look positively insane by comparison to her...

(and god only knows how hard that is LOL)
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Not pushing interviews; rather, offering.

If you can't do the decent thing of listening to understand a position fully, you do not deserve the name of scientist in that area of knowledge. I am sure you wouldn't like that!

Lol.
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You really are Nancy, Clare. It's becoming more and more obvious.



Clare is Nancy.


WRONG! As proven by M. Clare K.
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:)

Yah, that old yarn WAS wearing thin.
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Anyway, mine is at [link to radiofetzer.blogspot.com] and you can download by clicking my name, from Nov. 18, 2009, or press the streaming bar below my name (but it's annoying to use streaming, I find).


Well, I listened to a large portion of this interview.

Clare is not Nancy and is not "trolling" in the sense of intentionally making inflammatory statements just to get a reaction.

Clare, you need to open your mind to the possibility that you and the people you are involved with are fundamentally wrong on a number of levels.

You also do not have a strong enough science and technical background to evaluate much of the information you have assimilated.

I'm saying this as someone who was once obsessed with the 911 conspiracy movement and who once believed in an impending poleshift.
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Thank you for listening. And of course I'm not trolling. Trolls don't spend so much time explaining what they mean. They mostly drop some tidbit and let people fight. It's easier that way.

As distinct from some astronomy points ...

The topics I covered are understandable by laypeople who can follow an optics argument and a timing/political line of thinking. You should read Costella. You should also understand some of the parallax problems in (some of) the 9/11 TV vids. Not all vids have probs and not all probs are exactly the same.

I am open to the FACT I was wrong on one issue (and one name) I mentioned on air: the plane-banking vid analyzed by Jeff Hill ("Shure", on line) does work in the size of the plane, it seems. Second, the fakery of the Zapruder film (nicknamed Z-film or even Z-toon, by those who exposed the fakery) was done into a process camera, not an optical printer; the optical printer was a different camera in the process. I did describe what the process camera did, however, but called it by the other name. Just as I did re. the rotation/revolution problem here in semantics! :)

But anyway, I am not wrong about the gist of what I said on air. The other aspects of 9/11 overall fakery of the events that day -- not the vids alone -- and what may really have happened that day are complex but mostly known. As with JFK's death now.

You should read "Inside the AARB", by Doug Horne -- or you could also listen to the 1 or 2 interviews Jim Fetzer did with him.

Best wishes,
Clare
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What about this:
Here is another good clip showing the difference between a chemtrail and contrail within the same general proximity. I bring your attention to images found at 4:37 to end of clip.
Excellent video all through.

Of course, DrPostman's right about the purpose of this thread, but since the poster listed a number of conspiracies as mockeries of me, if I believed (or knew, beyond a reasonable doubt) that some were in fact conspiratorial operations instead of natural occurrences of freak behaviour of lone nuts, etc. ...

You had every right to respond, as did, I with a reply comment a while back.

Had I not on all of the issues (or you not, George -- primarily on this issue), I would simply have been baited for not answering; and if I had answered alone, some ignoramuses who think they know more than they do about these issues, would have laughed.

So, I hope to see Menow's response, but chemtrails are not the whole point of that post made to mock knowledge about different conspiracies.

(And cryptozoology, at least some of the claims. For Gosh's sake: for a long time no one believed possible the sightings of the ancient fish called a coelacanth -- pron. "SEE-la-kanth" -- and now it is famous and acknowledged to have survived from ancient times through now.)
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I ask again and I mean no disrespect by it . . . the way you phrase your comments makes me believe that you may have learned English as second language. That is, did you speak a language, not English, when you were much younger?

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Well, I listened to a large portion of this interview.

[...]

Clare, you need to open your mind to the possibility that you and the people you are involved with are fundamentally wrong on a number of levels. [...]
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Dear Sir :)

In deference to your use of the term "possibility" in this way, I will return to the point I made some time ago -- and was slammed for, by Menow (who thought that means "anything is possible" within a mode of understanding), and others --

Of course, I have radical philosophical doubt in ANY conclusion. This means, I, like an un-corrupted court, would re-open any case/conclusion if evidence showed some key line of reasoning might have been false, such that any fact became questionable or any new fact came to light.

In some things, however, it would take all our knowledge of physics or of psychology, or of witness reliability in a massive sense, to be wrong, for a conclusion to be wrong. It is thus conceivable we could be wrong on such an issue, as human beings, but not likely. In this case, we consider something to be "true" in a scientific sense, or, in the case of the human witness combined evidence, carefully considered, we must say "beyond a reasonable doubt" on that issue.

9/11 involved gov't physics claims which would require our knowledge of ordinary conditions (Newtonian, etc.) to be false, but this is only knowable if you delve beyond the fatuous impressions of ...

a) the physics nonsense in the Popular Mechanics articles (PM used as a front for gov't claims, in this instance, just as the JAMA was used briefly to smear Dr Crenshaw, re. JFK). (See, Griffin, "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" on the issue of the PM claims.)

b) the video evidence of 9/11.

Therefore, beyond the extreme sense of "possibility" as "radical doubt", I do not believe the possibility that the gist of what I said there was wrong.

These are different uses of the term "possibility". But yes, I do believe it's "possible" the gist was wrong in the former sense; the reason I do not believe it as simple "anything's possible" sense of possibility, which you are implying, is that our whole knowledge of optics and physics would have to be wrong for 9/11 to have happened the way(s -- for they change their story to suit the moment) the gov't said it happened.
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That guy totally rocks:

[link to zetasquawk.com]

wonder how long before the zetatards catch it???
(thats should set the cat amongst the pigeons for sure...)
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Link doesn't show a site.

It is closed? Or being renovated?
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Well, I listened to a large portion of this interview.

... the people ...
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By the way, the end portion is really a good summary -- plus sme other topics of interest. I do recommend getting to that part -- if you would? The middle was overview of some detailed arguments, but the end is very summarizing.

Thank you for listening to "a large portion" already, however. :)

As to "the people" I am listening to: I said, there is a mix of good info and wrong info or conclusions, but in the end much does become clear, when working and listening carefully through all the work.

Besides, I am well aware of the need to filter, but one's filters get more expertise as one goes; one can handle higher levels of claims and see if they fit indeed, instead of responding with mere incredulity only. In the end, many things fall by the wayside, as even happens in good court arguments, during cross examination, but in falling, some items lead to new, even-more-solid arguments for the same side! Interesting, eh?

Have a good day.
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I'm not bothering with that video.

That first image that's showing has been definitely debunked over and over and over again.

[link to contrailscience.com]

It's a plane that's used to test flight characteristics and the tanks are used to pump water around to displace the center of gravity.

The "Hazmat" sign was photoshopped in, so it's a deliberate hoax yet is offered again and again in these threads.

That's about the level of this debate in my experience.

Good catch on doctored images . . . this is what is needed to debate the issues; however, my point was the images showing Contrail and Chemtrail examples together. Now if the images I point out were doctored I agree this entire clip is bogus.
 Quoting: George B


Just for your information. That's the interior of a Boeing 777 flight test aircraft. Water is pumped forward and aft to simulate loading and to change the aircraft's center of gravity. I have experience with a similar, although smaller, installation on a corporate aircraft.

All aircraft have to be flight tested at all points within it's projected loading and center of gravity to ensure that there are no handling quirks at the forward and aft ends of the center of gravity envelope at all normal operating weights.

The easiest way to accomplish this is to pump water forward and aft. A simpler way is to install weights in the cabin however this requires many more test flights as the weights cannot be moved in flight.
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I'm not bothering with that video.

That first image that's showing has been definitely debunked over and over and over again.

[link to contrailscience.com]

It's a plane that's used to test flight characteristics and the tanks are used to pump water around to displace the center of gravity.

The "Hazmat" sign was photoshopped in, so it's a deliberate hoax yet is offered again and again in these threads.

That's about the level of this debate in my experience.

Good catch on doctored images . . . this is what is needed to debate the issues; however, my point was the images showing Contrail and Chemtrail examples together. Now if the images I point out were doctored I agree this entire clip is bogus.
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Of course many images are faked. Some are not, as you say. Same with 9/11 -- but in the other direction!! Where the fakes are to create the impression the gov't wanted to, not the other way around, to debunk the pro-conspiracy video debunkers, usually.
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George B: I'm not bothering with that video. [...] The first image [of contrails] that's showing has definitely been debunked.

Anonymous Coward 896329: Just for your information. That's [the first interior shot is] the interior of a Boeing 777 flight test aircraft. Water is pumped forward and aft to simulate loading and to change the aircraft's center of gravity. I have experience with a similar, although smaller, installation on a corporate aircraft.

All aircraft have to be flight tested at all points within it's projected loading and center of gravity to ensure that there are no handling quirks at the forward and aft ends of the center of gravity envelope at all normal operating weights.
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Good point. The rest of the video trails photos are not faked, though, clearly from the lighting and conditions. Some images of planes close up are possibly of ordinary spray planes, or even normal planes' contrails before dissipation, though.
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I'm not bothering with that video.

That first image that's showing has been definitely debunked over and over and over again.

[link to contrailscience.com]

It's a plane that's used to test flight characteristics and the tanks are used to pump water around to displace the center of gravity.

The "Hazmat" sign was photoshopped in, so it's a deliberate hoax yet is offered again and again in these threads.

That's about the level of this debate in my experience.

Good catch on doctored images . . . this is what is needed to debate the issues; however, my point was the images showing Contrail and Chemtrail examples together. Now if the images I point out were doctored I agree this entire clip is bogus.
 Quoting: George B

Good catch on the doctored images? Are you for real? this has been around the net for years. wake up and do some research. The original images were always freely available. Similar images are available for the A380 and other aircraft. Good grief, don't you think they test new aircraft?
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I'm not bothering with that video.

That first image that's showing has been definitely debunked over and over and over again.

[link to contrailscience.com]

It's a plane that's used to test flight characteristics and the tanks are used to pump water around to displace the center of gravity.

The "Hazmat" sign was photoshopped in, so it's a deliberate hoax yet is offered again and again in these threads.

That's about the level of this debate in my experience.

Good catch on doctored images . . . this is what is needed to debate the issues; however, my point was the images showing Contrail and Chemtrail examples together. Now if the images I point out were doctored I agree this entire clip is bogus.


Of course many images are faked. Some are not, as you say. Same with 9/11 -- but in the other direction!! Where the fakes are to create the impression the gov't wanted to, not the other way around, to debunk the pro-conspiracy video debunkers, usually.
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A very good technique is combining disinformation with the truth. This quietly discredits the truth. This is what some call an immunization against the truth. Wearing a aluminum foil hat at the beginning of a clip often accomplishes the same thing. Everything after I show you this foil hat is to be ridiculed. It is almost a subconscious response by most people and nothing else is needed.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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I'm not bothering with that video.

That first image that's showing has been definitely debunked over and over and over again.

[link to contrailscience.com]

It's a plane that's used to test flight characteristics and the tanks are used to pump water around to displace the center of gravity.

The "Hazmat" sign was photoshopped in, so it's a deliberate hoax yet is offered again and again in these threads.

That's about the level of this debate in my experience.

Good catch on doctored images . . . this is what is needed to debate the issues; however, my point was the images showing Contrail and Chemtrail examples together. Now if the images I point out were doctored I agree this entire clip is bogus.


Of course many images are faked. Some are not, as you say. Same with 9/11 -- but in the other direction!! Where the fakes are to create the impression the gov't wanted to, not the other way around, to debunk the pro-conspiracy video debunkers, usually.

A very good technique is combining disinformation with the truth. This quietly discredits the truth. This is what some call an immunization against the truth. Wearing a aluminum foil hat at the beginning of a clip often accomplishes the same thing. Everything after I show you this foil hat is to be ridiculed. It is almost a subconscious response by most people and nothing else is needed.
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OK provide any evidence that a tin foil hat does anything at all except render the wearer as a loon.
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As to "the people" I am listening to: I said, there is a mix of good info and wrong info or conclusions, but in the end much does become clear, when working and listening carefully through all the work.

Besides, I am well aware of the need to filter, but one's filters get more expertise as one goes; one can handle higher levels of claims and see if they fit indeed, instead of responding with mere incredulity only. In the end, many things fall by the wayside, as even happens in good court arguments, during cross examination, but in falling, some items lead to new, even-more-solid arguments for the same side! Interesting, eh?

Have a good day.
:)
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Perhaps, 969583, you will note: I do not start out with "anything's possible" in a fuzzy sense, when I look into an issue. I do, however, prepare to be shocked into learning a new possibility, however wild it might seem at first, IF the lines of reasoning converge -- and even if that convergence takes many twists and turns and false directions along the way.

David Lifton's tour de force "Best Evidence" -- in a few details now supplanted by Horne's "Inside the AARB" -- describes this discovery process very well, over the course of the book. He ruminates on how sometimes a specific hunch can be wrong and yet lead to things which ultimately prove even "wilder" results, for the same gist as the original hunch.

This is what's fascinating, and scientific (of mind) about these researches into not only the physical sciences bearing upon a conspiracy, but the social sciences we need to understand.

So, a lot of people here think, as per the original poster who wished to make me look silly as a "believer of anything", so to speak, that if you know of several lies from officials (several false flag events) that you are merely thinking "anything's possible" in some mushy sense.

My own open mind is a deliberate effort, to start with, but it also involves having learned that certain items are known. Since that is the case, I have ended up looking into more items than I would have. I didn't start with "mere credulity" as some here might suppose. I have learned, as would any scientist in their field, that a statement which can sound counter-intuitive, has a whole theoretical back-up, and cross-filters with other theories. In that case, are they "merely believing anything" just because it seems to make no sense when you first look? No.

Anyway, ad astra.
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Good catch on the doctored images? Are you for real? this has been around the net for years. wake up and do some research. The original images were always freely available. Similar images are available for the A380 and other aircraft. Good grief, don't you think they test new aircraft?
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I reviewed this clip only for images showing what I felt were Chemtrails in proximity with Contrails. I felt many of the rest of the video was questionable and knew some of the image were bogus like showing a dump of flame retardant as though it was an aircraft dumping a chemtrail. I admit I didn't try to debunk the rest of the video . . . at the time it was not my immediate requirement. As for years of prior knowledge . . . I am new to the internet, Youtube, etc. I have only been at this for about a year and one half.
It takes a bit of history and experience to smell out all the crap.

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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Perhaps, 969583, you will note: I do not start out with "anything's possible" in a fuzzy sense, when I look into an issue. I do, however, prepare to be shocked into learning a new possibility, however wild it might seem at first, IF the lines of reasoning converge -- and even if that convergence takes many twists and turns and false directions along the way.

David Lifton's tour de force "Best Evidence" -- in a few details now supplanted by Horne's "Inside the AARB" -- describes this discovery process very well, over the course of the book. He ruminates on how sometimes a specific hunch can be wrong and yet lead to things which ultimately prove even "wilder" results, for the same gist as the original hunch.

This is what's fascinating, and scientific (of mind) about these researches into not only the physical sciences bearing upon a conspiracy, but the social sciences we need to understand.

So, a lot of people here think, as per the original poster who wished to make me look silly as a "believer of anything", so to speak, that if you know of several lies from officials (several false flag events) that you are merely thinking "anything's possible" in some mushy sense.

My own open mind is a deliberate effort, to start with, but it also involves having learned that certain items are known. Since that is the case, I have ended up looking into more items than I would have. I didn't start with "mere credulity" as some here might suppose. I have learned, as would any scientist in their field, that a statement which can sound counter-intuitive, has a whole theoretical back-up, and cross-filters with other theories. In that case, are they "merely believing anything" just because it seems to make no sense when you first look? No.

Anyway, ad astra.
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Thats a whole bag of nonsense, a big splurge of non-specific rambling.

You have opened your mind so much that your brain fell out
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I ask again and I mean no disrespect by it . . . the way you phrase your comments makes me believe that you may have learned English as second language. That is, did you speak a language, not English, when you were much younger?
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No. Not at all. What makes you say that?

I do have many thoughts at a time and interrupt my sentences to acknowledge those cross-points, and it can make for stilted reading. Perhaps this, and the fact I sometimes write in an older style (I read a lot), led you to this conclusion.

Hope you enjoy my interview. But, if you do, listen to the end; I love the end part: good summary.

The interview with Dangerous Dan Marvin is fabulous, too, as I said.

:)
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I reviewed this clip only for images showing what I felt were Chemtrails in proximity with Contrails.
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OK so you admit you are cherry picking. As far as I am concerned, anyone using the risible "hazmat" pic is immediately discredited. The rest of the claims are equally risible, but I decline to waste time on them.

I felt many of the rest of the video was questionable and knew some of the image were bogus like showing a dump of flame retardant as though it was an aircraft dumping a chemtrail.
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If you realise some of it is bogus, then why accept ANY of it at face value?

I admit I didn't try to debunk the rest of the video . . . at the time it was not my immediate requirement. As for years of prior knowledge . . . I am new to the internet, Youtube, etc. I have only been at this for about a year and one half.
It takes a bit of history and experience to smell out all the crap.
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Yup it does. Internet loons fake all sorts of stuff just for kicks. Thats the interwebs for you.
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Thats a whole bag of nonsense, a big splurge of non-specific rambling.

You have opened your mind so much that your brain fell out
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No, you don't know how a person becomes more open -- along specific constructs -- as the theory builds in any area. And how facts support other facts in certain relationships.

Basic openness is a start -- but not anything is possible without support.

Do you know that electricity as a current was considered mumbo-jumbo only 250 years ago?

And so on. Re-learn WITH AN EYE TO THE RESISTANCE AT EVERY ERA, to what causes phenomena. As things get explained, more things come into view for explanation, or things already explained take on new (and sometimes shocking) significance. You take the latter form of wide learning, to be mush.

Too bad.
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So what's Nancy saying about the oil disaster and Obama-the-starchild savior's pathetic response to it all? I bet if it happened on Bush's watch she would be ripping him a new one. But since the Zetas are democrats I guess Obama is immune. Maybe it's a conspiracy to make him look bad. I was appalled to hear he went away with his family. Whether or not there is anything he can do, he should be at the White House, at least trying to look like he is in control. Been away for a while and I am catching up. Did Nancy really take her drivel to the ning? I see there is a boycott of Luser and Max. Wow. What a difference a few months can make.
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If you realise some of it is bogus, then why accept ANY of it at face value?

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Simply because I was in a hurry to find an example of what I had seen in person to make a point to Menow. Also, all my previous research was lost due to a mother board crash on my computer and I had lost or misplaced the examples I would like to have used.
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05/29/2010 07:38 PM
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OK so you admit you are cherry picking. As far as I am concerned, anyone using the risible "hazmat" pic is immediately discredited. The rest of the claims are equally risible, but I decline to waste time on them.

If you realise some of it is bogus, then why accept ANY of it at face value?


George B:) I admit I didn't try to debunk the rest of the video . . . at the time it was not my immediate requirement. As for years of prior knowledge . . . I am new to the internet, Youtube, etc. I have only been at this for about a year and one half.
It takes a bit of history and experience to smell out all the crap.

984983: Yup it does. Internet loons fake all sorts of stuff just for kicks. Thats the interwebs for you.
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You again, 984983.

You seem not to be able to hold a neutral position long enough to be able to SORT. What you use the derogatory term "cherry picking" to denote, is merely JUDICIOUSNESS.

"Why accept ANY of it at face value?" No, not at face value, but worth further work. By the way, some things ARE appreciable at face value, but it's true, if one is going to be radically doubtful -- for which I was slammed here -- ANYTHING can be possibly untrue.

Some of the images are clearly real -- barring some unknown photo-manipulation of excellent fakery level.

Besides, 984983, these videos are usually done by COMPILERS who BELIEVE something. They present a mixed bag, to sort through.

If you don't sort, you will never learn if anything is real in it. THAT'S WHY you look anyway.

If George didn't "cherry pick" he'd buy it ALL (mush for brains)! Or NONE (like you, but unjustifiably prejudiced)! Either way, he would be being unscientific in assessing the value of the videos: they are COMPILATIONS and need treatment as such.

You DO know that, right?
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05/29/2010 07:39 PM
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No. Not at all. What makes you say that?
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

Perhaps your continuous inability to clearly express your ideas was a clue?

I do have many thoughts at a time and interrupt my sentences to acknowledge those cross-points, and it can make for stilted reading.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

In other words, you mix up many conversations into an undistinguished porridge to obfuscate your obvious lack of knowledge.

Perhaps this, and the fact I sometimes write in an older style (I read a lot), led you to this conclusion.
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Nope, your rambling writing, covered with ample helpings of terms you obviously do not understand, is not comparable to any old style.

Hope you enjoy my interview. But, if you do, listen to the end; I love the end part: good summary.

The interview with Dangerous Dan Marvin is fabulous, too, as I said.

:)
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

No, I will not listen to your interview, it is bad enough trying to parse your ramblings here without afflicting my ears with more of the same
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05/29/2010 07:40 PM
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So what's Nancy saying about the oil disaster and Obama-the-starchild savior's pathetic response to it all? I bet if it happened on Bush's watch she would be ripping him a new one. But since the Zetas are democrats I guess Obama is immune. Maybe it's a conspiracy to make him look bad. I was appalled to hear he went away with his family. Whether or not there is anything he can do, he should be at the White House, at least trying to look like he is in control. Been away for a while and I am catching up. Did Nancy really take her drivel to the ning? I see there is a boycott of Luser and Max. Wow. What a difference a few months can make.
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She wiggles around the Obama thingy and bans people who question him on the ning.

And yes, happy news is that her live-chat is not on GLP any longer ... if it will stay that way nobody knows ... the ning is already in self-destruct mode (banning every poster who doesn't obey Nancy, Gertard and that happyface, whatshername ... ah ... Cheryl Nelson. This troika runs the ning.
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05/29/2010 07:40 PM
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984983,

there is a difference between fakery (which I expose in my interview) and fakery shown within a compilation -- in the latter instance, we have to separate the two within the same video.
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05/29/2010 07:45 PM
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[sniiip]

No, I will not listen to your interview, it is bad enough trying to parse your ramblings here without afflicting my ears with more of the same
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You would, however, find it better than my writing, because emphases are easier in speech.

But though the offer goes out to anyone, those specific comments were not for you at all.

You can't even appreciate that when composite videos may contain fakery as part of the compilation, they must be assessed for the value of each section. This shows you are a sloppy and emotionally biased thinker.

So of course, you cannot be expected to be neutral enough to listen to someone to see if they have something to say on another topic than you are used to hearing them about.

I have listened to many things which made me cringe, but I have learned a lot through such different people.
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05/29/2010 07:51 PM
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She wiggles around the Obama thingy and bans people who question him on the ning.
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I agree. The Obamaphilia from Nancy is ludicrous. But a lot of people think he's a nice guy and don't see how he can be one, and not see that all decisions are not equal. So, helping deregulated, bankrupt medical insurance hyenas is not the same thing as a proper public plan.

Of course, many people who attack him don't understand that a *proper* public plan is not "communism" or a takeover. But it's not what he's doing anyway.


... That's just one Mussobama example: economic fascism: gov't for the financiers/monopolies to run fully, even if the president isn't fully a dictator yet in the USA, so the image is not perfect yet.
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05/29/2010 07:56 PM
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You again, 984983.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

Me again? What does that mean?

You seem not to be able to hold a neutral position long enough to be able to SORT.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

I never claimed a neutral position. Sort what exactly?

What you use the derogatory term "cherry picking" to denote, is merely JUDICIOUSNESS.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736


It is not a derogatory term, it simply describes the act of picking some claims while ignoring others. Judiciouness requires some evidence for the judiciousness, it implies judgement. Where is it?

"Why accept ANY of it at face value?" No, not at face value, but worth further work. By the way, some things ARE appreciable at face value, but it's true, if one is going to be radically doubtful -- for which I was slammed here -- ANYTHING can be possibly untrue.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

There you go with the old anything is possible fallacy. Can you present any actual evidence?

Some of the images are clearly real -- barring some unknown photo-manipulation of excellent fakery level.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

How do you know they a clearly real and what exactly are they clearly real images of?

Besides, 984983, these videos are usually done by COMPILERS who BELIEVE something.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

Correct, it is a religious belief for them.

They present a mixed bag, to sort through.
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

No, if they are happy to present photoshopped images then they have no credibility. Why should I waste my time on them when they present known fakes?

If you don't sort, you will never learn if anything is real in it. THAT'S WHY you look anyway.

If George didn't "cherry pick" he'd buy it ALL (mush for brains)! Or NONE (like you, but unjustifiably prejudiced)! Either way, he would be being unscientific in assessing the value of the videos: they are COMPILATIONS and need treatment as such.

You DO know that, right?
 Quoting: mclarek 981736

The simple fact that the compiler included known fakes is enough to cast doubt on anything else presented. It is not my job to check every single image, the presenter has done enough to sink their own credibility by including obvious fakes to deter me from investing any further effort identifying the othe fakes

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