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It makes me think that you might be the shunned Luserboi trying to play nice, or maybe one of the other dumbfuck Canucks that do Nancy's bidding, like Agnes or Earth320 hiding behind a proxy.


No, she's who she says she is.
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Thank you. This really is getting stupid.
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Look, I have been mistreated here for days. I apologize if you think I insulted your intelligence. I did however point out to you a clear difference. And was mad at Menow for making the confusion of this term so often. It was HIS comment earlier to which I was referring in being pissed off.
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I'm not surprised you are being "mistreated". You are posting on a thread that exists to debunk Zetatalk. What did you expect? You use acrobatic "logic" to defend the indefensible. Maybe if you started your own thread you would attract woo woos with the same mentality to discuss nicely.

Menow HAS been one of the ones repeating this stuff about "interfering" not being "interfering".

So I added that in.

As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).


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See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!
And going again into the idea of my being someone else is RIDICULOUS.

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It's a site where people engage in role playing. Read the disclaimer.
Who people are? By writing off their statements to start with, and not realizing how others interference can affect what you see in them, one can end up not understanding what they say. Then, the whole personality of the writer is missed, too.

My comments sometimes had stiltedness, but you guys would have seen very quickly who I was AND what I was getting at (even if in error) if there had been more positive questions and understanding salvos. Interference and mockery, interrupting the process of communication, did not help the situation.

However, do you now see the difference between interfering (to save us) and interfering (as Menow used it, to mean maintaining appearances)?

Hope I helped, is all. Cheers.
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Again, this is GLP. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. And again you are insulting the intelligence of readers here, implying that we form opinions based on what other posters tell us to believe. (Holy shit, Menow, I bet you didn't know how important and influential you are ROFLMAO). Interfering is interfering. Look it up in a dictionary.
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Look, I have been mistreated here for days. I apologize if you think I insulted your intelligence. I did however point out to you a clear difference. And was mad at Menow for making the confusion of this term so often. It was HIS comment earlier to which I was referring in being pissed off.

I'm not surprised you are being "mistreated". You are posting on a thread that exists to debunk Zetatalk. What did you expect? You use acrobatic "logic" to defend the indefensible. Maybe if you started your own thread you would attract woo woos with the same mentality to discuss nicely.



Menow HAS been one of the ones repeating this stuff about "interfering" not being "interfering".

So I added that in.

As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).



See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!


And going again into the idea of my being someone else is RIDICULOUS.


It's a site where people engage in role playing. Read the disclaimer.


Who people are? By writing off their statements to start with, and not realizing how others interference can affect what you see in them, one can end up not understanding what they say. Then, the whole personality of the writer is missed, too.

My comments sometimes had stiltedness, but you guys would have seen very quickly who I was AND what I was getting at (even if in error) if there had been more positive questions and understanding salvos. Interference and mockery, interrupting the process of communication, did not help the situation.

However, do you now see the difference between interfering (to save us) and interfering (as Menow used it, to mean maintaining appearances)?

Hope I helped, is all. Cheers.

Again, this is GLP. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. And again you are insulting the intelligence of readers here, implying that we form opinions based on what other posters tell us to believe. (Holy shit, Menow, I bet you didn't know how important and influential you are ROFLMAO). Interfering is interfering. Look it up in a dictionary.
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Clare is a bit naive with GLP and Zeta debunkers. She has not logged enough time on GLP to get all the head games and twists. I have been around almost a year and I am still learning the ropes. The thing that amazes me is she is still full of energy and has taken some of your best shots and keeps firing back. She is a trooper I have to give her that. Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

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As to the Z-film it is debated but not "debatable" any longer. It was at issue before Costella's work on optics. Now, the case is done. It is only the after-party of debate teams which you are now listening to: where the losers keep sayng, "we didn't lose".

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After your lengthy argument that the Moon isn't rotating, I don't trust that you have the knowledge of optics, or the technical or scientific objectivity to judge Costella's work.

There certainly appears to be continued debate and his premise seems implausible even if one believes in some sort of JFK conspiracy.

Also, Costella appears to support your associate Jack White's Moon hoax theories which is strike one, two and three for me regarding his reliability.
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Nancy is having a live-radio show:

[link to www.blogtalkradio.com]

Nancy Leiden returns to discuss the poleshift!
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They got her name a bit wrong, rofl.
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ROFL ... she connected the oil spill with the Planet X caused wobble in the first sentence.
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As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).


See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!
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No, I meant that he seeded the discussion of me with that word and others have been using it as an easy out, parrotting him. It is not the meaning of the word which I questioned, but the parrotting.

And going again into the idea of my being someone else is RIDICULOUS.


It's a site where people engage in role playing. Read the disclaimer.
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I know that. I accused Menow of being a troll, himself. What I was saying as usual here was that my personality shows it's I, not another.

However, do you now see the difference between interfering (to save us) and interfering (as Menow used it, to mean maintaining appearances)?

Hope I helped, is all. Cheers.

Again, this is GLP. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. And again you are insulting the intelligence of readers here, implying that we form opinions based on what other posters tell us to believe. (Holy shit, Menow, I bet you didn't know how important and influential you are ROFLMAO). Interfering is interfering. Look it up in a dictionary.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

Testy, are we? (To quote you.)

I have taken heat, thank you.

If YOU are so worried that your intelligence is being questioned, maybe YOU should go.

And you cannot see, yet, that interfering as meddling action is interfering, but the "Zetas" were (supposedly) interfering ONLY to save appearances. Menow wasn't saying, "My God, they're interfering in ONE way, supposedly, so why not interfere in ANOTHER way and save us!"

No, he was claiming that if "Zetas" are interfering if they are saving appearances, that's the same thing as saving us from PX.

Obviously it's not the same thing, though they're both interference.

So, when "they say", "We are not allowed to interfere," the context is important: they are not allowed to interfere TO SAVE US FROM PX. That is the context of THAT statement. Finish the statement and you see what they mean.

They are allowed to interfere to confuse negative plotters (supposedly). So, they can interfere, just not indiscriminately or to save us from the PX arrival itself, which is considered a natural event.

Do you get that now? They interfere, but are "not allowed to interfere" in the key way. Most people speak in context and shorten sentences accordingly.
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Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!
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No they don't.
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Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

No they don't.
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As to the Z-film it is debated but not "debatable" any longer. It was at issue before Costella's work on optics. Now, the case is done. It is only the after-party of debate teams which you are now listening to: where the losers keep sayng, "we didn't lose".



After your lengthy argument that the Moon isn't rotating, I don't trust that you have the knowledge of optics, or the technical or scientific objectivity to judge Costella's work.

There certainly appears to be continued debate and his premise seems implausible even if one believes in some sort of JFK conspiracy.

Also, Costella appears to support your associate Jack White's Moon hoax theories which is strike one, two and three for me regarding his reliability.
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I said all along the MOON IS ROTATING, but not RELATIVE TO ITS ORBIT OF EARTH, when the forward motion around the Sun is discounted.

Costella a) could be wrong about Jack White AND right about the optics, b) right about both, c) wrong about both (hypothetically only, for in fact his optics work on the Z film is conclusive).

There is conclusive work on some of the Moon photos. And remember, they can be fake as a guaranteed photo op but we could still have gone to the Moon. It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.
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Clare is a bit naive with GLP and Zeta debunkers. She has not logged enough time on GLP to get all the head games and twists. I have been around almost a year and I am still learning the ropes. The thing that amazes me is she is still full of energy and has taken some of your best shots and keeps firing back. She is a trooper I have to give her that. Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!
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You mean EVEN THOUGH they know what they do, lol. (Oh, and I am NOT insulting your intelligence, as one of the others thought I was, his.)

Yes, I know they know -- some anyway. Others simply have very insecure egos which assume everyone else is playing their game as they are, and so they get nasty and cock-sure.

So, George, I do know. But thank you. I just decided to re-posit the points, and handle the twists and turns ----- with some humour.

And yes, I know the Moon rotates. But it only does so in the superposition, or "layer of understanding" (which Menow says doesn't exist as a valid expression!), from the revlution around the Sun and bigger superpositions. The tidal lock, which creates a one-facedness to Earth, can also be expressed as a circular orbit of Moon around Earth, with the system otherwise still.

In this understanding, the Moon does not rotate, it only revolves.

But in the physically larger superpostion, it does not revolve around Earth; it rotates along a sine wave, relative to the Earth, in tidal lock, and the sine wave revolves around the Sun.
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As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).


See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!

No, I meant that he seeded the discussion of me with that word and others have been using it as an easy out, parrotting him. It is not the meaning of the word which I questioned, but the parrotting.

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How is that different? It still insults our intelligence and assumes that we all follow Menow around parroting him. News flash for you. The debunkers on this thread are very intelligent people from all kinds of professional and amateur backgrounds, with enough experience in their field to recognize bullshit when they read it.

If YOU are so worried that your intelligence is being questioned, maybe YOU should go.

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Well since I am one of the original regular debunkers that started this thread, I think I will stick around. I was known as KeepingItReal, but I can't remember my password. You are like the new neighbour that moves in and expects the neighbourhood to change to suit them.

And you cannot see, yet, that interfering as meddling action is interfering, but the "Zetas" were (supposedly) interfering ONLY to save appearances. Menow wasn't saying, "My God, they're interfering in ONE way, supposedly, so why not interfere in ANOTHER way and save us!"

No, he was claiming that if "Zetas" are interfering if they are saving appearances, that's the same thing as saving us from PX.

Obviously it's not the same thing, though they're both interference.

So, when "they say", "We are not allowed to interfere," the context is important: they are not allowed to interfere TO SAVE US FROM PX. That is the context of THAT statement. Finish the statement and you see what they mean.

They are allowed to interfere to confuse negative plotters (supposedly). So, they can interfere, just not indiscriminately or to save us from the PX arrival itself, which is considered a natural event.

Do you get that now? They interfere, but are "not allowed to interfere" in the key way. Most people speak in context and shorten sentences accordingly.
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Um, yeah, OK. Maybe in your logic challenged world. ROFLMAO.
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But also the Van Allen belts and the little LEM make the thing preposterous.


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How so? Please be specific, and be prepared to back up your claims with factual references. This has been beat to hell and back, so if you're wanting to get into it, be prepared.
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Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

No they don't.

Please explain?
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There's no need to give any credit to posters at GLP or in this thread. It's true that there are people here who know their stuff. Like for instance Astronut knows his stuff about gazing at galaxies and related. There are some really knowledgeable people here.

That doesn't mean they would know what they're doing, exactly, when replying or confronting Clare.

There are people here who are very knowledgeable about astronomy, electronics, physics and stuff like that. And the very same people can be totally ignorant regarding language for instance. Ignorant and blind.

That's why it's so easy for many people to truly assume/believe that it's Nancy hiding behind every other poster here.

Very many people have been accused (seriously!) of being in fact Nancy. I'm one of them.

So no, they don't know what they're doing.
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Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

No they don't.

Please explain?
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Maybe our Finnish friend thinks they're all innocent.

And you know what? In some sense we all are, no matter how intentional we are being ... for it makes me think of the source of the statement, Jesus. (I should say, he's supposedly the source -- I mean, if the Gospel writers were quoting accurately).

Jesus knew the people wanted him gone ... but he was saying they really don't fully know what drives them, and how ignorant they are. And he's right.

It's true of all people -- but of some moreso true than others, and of some far less true (e.g., of Jesus, himself, possibly).
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It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.
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There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?
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Zetatalk is nothing more than a badly written pseudoreligion...and a failed one at that.

That is all.
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It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.


There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?
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Now that we've blown away your Van Allen bsts claim, Clare, where is your evidence for the lack of room in the LM?
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Typo: belts
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That guy totally rocks:
[link to zetasquawk.com]
wonder how long before the zetatards catch it???
(thats should set the cat amongst the pigeons for sure...)


Link doesn't show a site.
It is closed? Or being renovated?


Yea, something like that. There is a web site there that's
being worked on, but what can be read would drive the folks
on ning nuts. They think it's really a government run web
site.





K00KFIGHT!!!!!!

Nothing better than. Bob Officer and I have discussed the
idea of putting up a Kookology Facebook page. I told him
an AUK page would only be of interest to usenetters but a
Kookology page everyone could relate to.
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Bob is good people! I bet we could have a lot of fun with clunk and Kazoo!
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Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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No, I meant that he seeded the discussion of me with that word and others have been using it as an easy out, parrotting him. It is not the meaning of the word which I questioned, but the parrotting.


How is that different? It still insults our intelligence and assumes that we all follow Menow around parroting him. News flash for you. The debunkers on this thread are very intelligent people from all kinds of professional and amateur backgrounds, with enough experience in their field to recognize bullshit when they read it.
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This is loaded. No, people make mistakes. Even in "their field". Certain types of thinking lead to certain difficulties in communication with others naturally: in other words, certain types of learning lead to mis-construing other types of learning quite easily, if one is not very careful. It's typical. And it is not a matter of intelligence or not.

As for parrotting: the meanness in the thread increased and used Menow's word in approbation of it, towards me, after he used it again and again.

The thought that I made no sense may have been your own, but it is common that people parrot already-available "memes" including specific words.

So, you may very well think my actions were the equivalent of gobbledygook, but it is far less likely that you would have chosen that word -- unless it's a favourite for you as it is for Menow -- without his having INTRODUCED IT.

This is not a question of your intelligence.


If YOU are so worried that your intelligence is being questioned, maybe YOU should go.


Well since I am one of the original regular debunkers that started this thread, I think I will stick around. I was known as KeepingItReal, but I can't remember my password. You are like the new neighbour that moves in and expects the neighbourhood to change to suit them.
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I was being sarcastic. Unlike some people here who are always so serious, or seriously mean in their sarcasm. I was being merely sarcastic.

They are allowed to interfere to confuse negative plotters (supposedly). So, they can interfere, just not indiscriminately or to save us from the PX arrival itself, which is considered a natural event.

Do you get that now? They interfere, but are "not allowed to interfere" in the key way. Most people speak in context and shorten sentences accordingly.

Um, yeah, OK. Maybe in your logic challenged world. ROFLMAO.
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I can say, "I am not allowed to interfere" and mean something very specific in one context, really not having given the full context in the sentence, but covering it in other sentences or it was covered in the question which was asked. (The latter is the case on ZT: they are often asked, "Why aren't you going to STOP IT." They supposedly reply, "We are not allowed to interfere." The implication is not EVER, but rather TO STOP IT.)

I may be allowed to interfere in some other way, and say, "Oh of course I'm allowed to interfere, just not to INTERFERE [implying some specific important interference I'm not allowed to do]."

Get it?
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It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.


There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?


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"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen
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Yes, sure. Ever heard of the original suits? They were of LEAD. You know why? Radiation.

But it's possible it would have worked. I don't know as much about that one, as I said. But I know the photos were some of them provable fakes, and the conditions impossible.
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Ever heard of the original suits? They were of LEAD.
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Never heard of that before ... you have a credible source that they were made of lead ?
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It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.


There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?


[link to www.clavius.org]

"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen


Yes, sure. Ever heard of the original suits? They were of LEAD. You know why? Radiation.


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No, the suits were NEVER made of lead, for crying out loud. If you think so, then where is your reference?
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But it's possible it would have worked. I don't know as much about that one, as I said. But I know the photos were some of them provable fakes, and the conditions impossible.
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OK, let's see your evidence. In detail, please.

Let's see your "provable fakes".
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No, I meant that he seeded the discussion of me with that word and others have been using it as an easy out, parrotting him. It is not the meaning of the word which I questioned, but the parrotting.


How is that different? It still insults our intelligence and assumes that we all follow Menow around parroting him. News flash for you. The debunkers on this thread are very intelligent people from all kinds of professional and amateur backgrounds, with enough experience in their field to recognize bullshit when they read it.

This is loaded. No, people make mistakes. Even in "their field". Certain types of thinking lead to certain difficulties in communication with others naturally: in other words, certain types of learning lead to mis-construing other types of learning quite easily, if one is not very careful. It's typical. And it is not a matter of intelligence or not.

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Well how fortunate that we have you to correct our mistakes. Whatever would we do without you?

As for parrotting: the meanness in the thread increased and used Menow's word in approbation of it, towards me, after he used it again and again.

The thought that I made no sense may have been your own, but it is common that people parrot already-available "memes" including specific words.

So, you may very well think my actions were the equivalent of gobbledygook, but it is far less likely that you would have chosen that word -- unless it's a favourite for you as it is for Menow -- without his having INTRODUCED IT.


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You are assuming that I have read all of the long and tedious exchanges between you and Menow. Maybe I called it gobbledygook because it is the best word I could think of to define what you write.
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I can say, "I am not allowed to interfere" and mean something very specific in one context, really not having given the full context in the sentence, but covering it in other sentences or it was covered in the question which was asked. (The latter is the case on ZT: they are often asked, "Why aren't you going to STOP IT." They supposedly reply, "We are not allowed to interfere." The implication is not EVER, but rather TO STOP IT.)

I may be allowed to interfere in some other way, and say, "Oh of course I'm allowed to interfere, just not to INTERFERE [implying some specific important interference I'm not allowed to do]."

Get it?
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You don't know ZetaTalk that well.

Here is ZetaTalk PRIOR to the 2003 no show:

"The Rule of Non-Interference here is akin to examinations that students take, to determine their level of understanding or knowlege. During such school exams, students are not allowed to speak to one another or pass notes, nor are outsiders allowed in to confer with the students. This is a test, to determine readiness to move onto another level. In a like manner, interfering with 3rd Density experiences by swooping in to save an entity from a bad choice or a circumstance they should, in fact, experience, delays the evolution of the lesson. 3rd Density entities are supposed to experience distressing circumstances, so they are put to the test both for their own self examination as well as for those spiritual guides watching the process."

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Now that we've blown away your Van Allen bsts claim, Clare, where is your evidence for the lack of room in the LM?
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LEM.

I saw a movie called "Was It Only A Paper Moon" (a misleading title, and an uneven movie, not perfect on everything). But the guy meansured the relative space between all the jutting apparatus, and there was enough room but not in any place for total manoevrability.

The presenter in the movie is a bit edgy, defensive, and seems to have some confirmation bias. But his work on the LEM is interesting, if you can sit through his manner. His work on the physical needs of the rover is actually interesting, too.

One gets in the end the distinct impression of some sloppy work -- impression-making. Say it folds up, but don't make it actually have to work, or say exactly how it fits into the LEM. I mean, show it folding, and show a LEM with it supposedly on there, and voila. Impression made that it was all worked out.

Hollywood. And you know, many people were afraid the USSR would beat them out, and were actually afraid of the USSR. So they would have been recruitable as supporters of even a fake program if it would "save the US for real stuff later".

That's my impression from the totality.

Like the reason the liers about global warming laughed in their e-mails, at the attempts to do real science (what we'd recognize as real science) ... because they "knew" there was going to be an Al Gore-style warming disaster, so fiddling a few numbers here and thre to give the "right overall impression" is not so bad as giving the literal facts and possibly "killing us all".

Of course, they didn't know the risk isn't there anyway; but their belief drove them to lie.
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I was being sarcastic. Unlike some people here who are always so serious, or seriously mean in their sarcasm. I was being merely sarcastic.
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I love it when woo woos do the backstroke.


They are allowed to interfere to confuse negative plotters (supposedly). So, they can interfere, just not indiscriminately or to save us from the PX arrival itself, which is considered a natural event.

Do you get that now? They interfere, but are "not allowed to interfere" in the key way. Most people speak in context and shorten sentences accordingly.

Um, yeah, OK. Maybe in your logic challenged world. ROFLMAO.


I can say, "I am not allowed to interfere" and mean something very specific in one context, really not having given the full context in the sentence, but covering it in other sentences or it was covered in the question which was asked. (The latter is the case on ZT: they are often asked, "Why aren't you going to STOP IT." They supposedly reply, "We are not allowed to interfere." The implication is not EVER, but rather TO STOP IT.)

I may be allowed to interfere in some other way, and say, "Oh of course I'm allowed to interfere, just not to INTERFERE [implying some specific important interference I'm not allowed to do]."

Get it?
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Tell you what, Clare. Maybe you should go back and peruse some of the old Zetatalk threads so you get a clue about how silly you are making yourself look. We have had this same discussion about intervention and interference, before, and it's clear you don't even know what Nancy herself has said on the topic. You might be embarrassed to know that you are wrong about the part I have bolded above. In fact, when the contradiction was pointed out, Nancy got very defensive and edited out the offending posts. Then her pathetic team of shills took over the discussion with insults and taunts so as to change the subject and divert attention from her gaffe.


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