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April Gallop, April Gallop, April Gallop.

She was 40 feet from the "huge plane" inside the Pentagon and she said she smelled only cordite, no jet fuel.



So now the average office-worker knows what cordite smells like?

Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers.


And you can tell the relative altitude of planes from thousands of feet below them, and also the atmospheric conditions in which each is flying.

Any time a contrail is persistent for hours and hours . . . and there are normal dissipating contrails in the same sky it is problematic. If your argument is that persistent contrails are never chemtrails then you may have an argument. The critical principle here is how to define the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail; however, if I had to guess you don't even believe chemtrails exist.


I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.
 Quoting: Menow 441617


Actually I don't, I base my belief on my own observations, government documentation, knowledge of the military and the contractors that work with the military and government. If you had taken my challenge you would have seen what I base it on. The youtube was the only immediate way I could demonstrate to you that chemtrails and contrails exist within the same sky. However misleading in other aspects, it did demonstrate that aircraft are very capable of caring massive amounts of fluid and fuel . . . and multi-tasking while in the air. It also demonstrates that the Air Force was most interested in ice formation while in flight; and felt it necessary to test theories regarding its effects . . . seems after almost a century of flight they would have that hammered out.
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April Gallop, April Gallop, April Gallop.

She was 40 feet from the "huge plane" inside the Pentagon and she said she smelled only cordite, no jet fuel.



So now the average office-worker knows what cordite smells like?

Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers.


And you can tell the relative altitude of planes from thousands of feet below them, and also the atmospheric conditions in which each is flying.

Any time a contrail is persistent for hours and hours . . . and there are normal dissipating contrails in the same sky it is problematic. If your argument is that persistent contrails are never chemtrails then you may have an argument. The critical principle here is how to define the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail; however, if I had to guess you don't even believe chemtrails exist.


I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.


Actually I don't, I base my belief on my own observations, government documentation, knowledge of the military and the contractors that work with the military and government. If you had taken my challenge you would have seen what I base it on. The youtube was the only immediate way I could demonstrate to you that chemtrails and contrails exist within the same sky. However misleading in other aspects, it did demonstrate that aircraft are very capable of caring massive amounts of fluid and fuel . . . and multi-tasking while in the air. It also demonstrates that the Air Force was most interested in ice formation while in flight; and felt it necessary to test theories regarding its effects . . . seems after almost a century of flight they would have that hammered out.
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Except that it demonstrates no such thing. It only shows that different-appearing trails can be left by different aircraft in the same sky at the same time.
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Come on, George... You foolishly said:


"Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."



Wish you could take it back now?
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Come on, George... You foolishly said:


"Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."



Wish you could take it back now?
 Quoting: Menow 441617

No there are office workers who are and were prior active duty military members who got a good taste of ordance of all types when they were active duty. Many are reserve and national guard personnel.

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April Gallop, April Gallop, April Gallop.

She was 40 feet from the "huge plane" inside the Pentagon and she said she smelled only cordite, no jet fuel.



So now the average office-worker knows what cordite smells like?

Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers.


And you can tell the relative altitude of planes from thousands of feet below them, and also the atmospheric conditions in which each is flying.

Any time a contrail is persistent for hours and hours . . . and there are normal dissipating contrails in the same sky it is problematic. If your argument is that persistent contrails are never chemtrails then you may have an argument. The critical principle here is how to define the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail; however, if I had to guess you don't even believe chemtrails exist.


I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.


Actually I don't, I base my belief on my own observations, government documentation, knowledge of the military and the contractors that work with the military and government. If you had taken my challenge you would have seen what I base it on. The youtube was the only immediate way I could demonstrate to you that chemtrails and contrails exist within the same sky. However misleading in other aspects, it did demonstrate that aircraft are very capable of caring massive amounts of fluid and fuel . . . and multi-tasking while in the air. It also demonstrates that the Air Force was most interested in ice formation while in flight; and felt it necessary to test theories regarding its effects . . . seems after almost a century of flight they would have that hammered out.


Except that it demonstrates no such thing. It only shows that different-appearing trails can be left by different aircraft in the same sky at the same time.
 Quoting: Menow 441617

What is your definition of a Contrail that persists for hours and hours (basically all day) and spreads into a cloud like formation?
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Come on, George... You foolishly said:


"Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."



Wish you could take it back now?

No there are office workers who are and were prior active duty military members who got a good taste of ordance of all types when they were active duty. Many are reserve and national guard personnel.
 Quoting: George B


Let's try again, since you ignored it the first time.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Cordite is now obsolete and it is no longer produced.

The smell of cordite is frequently referenced (erroneously) in fiction to indicate the recent firing of weapons.
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Except that it demonstrates no such thing. It only shows that different-appearing trails can be left by different aircraft in the same sky at the same time.

What is your definition of a Contrail that persists for hours and hours (basically all day) and spreads into a cloud like formation?
 Quoting: George B


A cloud. Small clouds grow into larger clouds, George. It happens all the time. "Cloud-LIKE" formation? If it's not really a large cloud, then you must be claiming that there was enough stuff in ONE aircraft to spread across a large portion of the sky?
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I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.
 Quoting: Menow 441617

Since I am so very simple and an obvious easy mark, using obviously bogus evidence, why don't you take my challenge . . . no, no, don't say it . . . it is a waste of my time! You take time to respond to almost every post posted here . . . what is the difference?
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Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don't?

[link to contrailscience.com]
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Come on, George... You foolishly said:


"Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."



Wish you could take it back now?

No there are office workers who are and were prior active duty military members who got a good taste of ordance of all types when they were active duty. Many are reserve and national guard personnel.


Let's try again, since you ignored it the first time.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Cordite is now obsolete and it is no longer produced.

The smell of cordite is frequently referenced (erroneously) in fiction to indicate the recent firing of weapons.
 Quoting: Menow 441617


Military ordnance once used/exploded has a specific odor. If you have participated on firing ranges within the military you have experienced this odor. I use to reload shells and the smell when I was a kid was the same as the last time I was on the firing range in the military. Military individuals within any environment where ordnance has been used would recognize this odor. If that was the odor the person said she smelled . . . I would tend to believe her. If Cordite is not used . . . tell me then what does its replacement smell like? Do you know? Common terms are often used incorrectly, cordite smell was and is used to describe such an odor.

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Except that it demonstrates no such thing. It only shows that different-appearing trails can be left by different aircraft in the same sky at the same time.

What is your definition of a Contrail that persists for hours and hours (basically all day) and spreads into a cloud like formation?


A cloud. Small clouds grow into larger clouds, George. It happens all the time. "Cloud-LIKE" formation? If it's not really a large cloud, then you must be claiming that there was enough stuff in ONE aircraft to spread across a large portion of the sky?
 Quoting: Menow 441617

I never really said exactly what I saw except for the result was something that could be mistaken for some type of cloud formation. Who is to say . . . Chemtrails potentially contain very small particulate in high concentration and could be a catalyst for cloud formation. Silver iodide is used for rain formation. Particulates of other metals could do who knows what.
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Silver iodide is a favored seeding agent because its crystalline structure is nearly identical to the natural ice crystal. When placed in the upper portion of the growing convective cloud rich with supercooled droplets, the silver iodide crystal can grow rapidly by tapping that vast field of available moisture. Indeed, because the vapor pressure gradient over ice is less than that over water, an ice crystal such as silver iodide will more readily attract the tiny cloud droplets than those droplets will collide with each other. In a matter of moments, the ice crystal is transformed into a large raindrop which is heavy enough to fall through the cloud mass as a rain shaft.

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Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don't?

[link to contrailscience.com]
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Good question. I know what I think; however, I will let Menow answer this one.

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Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don't?

[link to contrailscience.com]

Good question. I know what I think; however, I will let Menow answer this one.
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So you didn't look at the link?
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Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don't?

[link to contrailscience.com]

Good question. I know what I think; however, I will let Menow answer this one.
 Quoting: George B

I now see your website reference. Good info. However, this is not the answer to several questions that haunt people who believe there are Chemtrails.

Sorry, I said I wouldn't post anymore on Chemtrails so I need the OP or someone to allow me to go on further.
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Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don't?

[link to contrailscience.com]

Good question. I know what I think; however, I will let Menow answer this one.

I now see your website reference. Good info. However, this is not the answer to several questions that haunt people who believe there are Chemtrails.

Sorry, I said I wouldn't post anymore on Chemtrails so I need the OP or someone to allow me to go on further.
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You fool! Now that I offered you the info you claimed to be seeking you George B back up! And then you offer excuses like this that you're only following some fucking rules that some guy told you!
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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!
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Why do some planes leave long trails, but others don't?

[link to contrailscience.com]

Good question. I know what I think; however, I will let Menow answer this one.

I now see your website reference. Good info. However, this is not the answer to several questions that haunt people who believe there are Chemtrails.

Sorry, I said I wouldn't post anymore on Chemtrails so I need the OP or someone to allow me to go on further.

You fool! Now that I offered you the info you claimed to be seeking you George B back up! And then you offer excuses like this that you're only following some fucking rules that some guy told you!
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A little testy aren't you. I didn't say that there is not good info contained in the site. And it does suggest many possible explanations for some presistent trails. It does NOT; however, answer the burning issue explaining the distribution of aluminum and barium in concentrations suggesting aerial dispersal. It does not answer the use of particulates for military purposes, or weather modification, or climate change.

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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!
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DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting. I believe Menow is aware of the discussion regarding placing this thread back to debunking Zetas. I am more than happy to move the discussion to another thread or stay here.

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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting.
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And yet you continued, until now, when you did get the answers that you had been asking.
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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting.

And yet you continued, until now, when you did get the answers that you had been asking.
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Up to this time I had been responding to Menow. I don't want to divulge much more of my evidence and logic unless he willing to accept my challenge. And I did say I would stop.
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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting.

And yet you continued, until now, when you did get the answers that you had been asking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986902


BTW, I am about teasing out all the information pro and con on the chemtrail controversy. I am willing to accept any evidence which helps to explain to a concerned public what the heck is going on. Your evidence falls into what I feel is acceptable and reliable information . . . you did good!

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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting. I believe Menow is aware of the discussion regarding placing this thread back to debunking Zetas. I am more than happy to move the discussion to another thread or stay here.
 Quoting: George B

So George B edited his post again after I viewed it. He does correct his typos and errors.

This issue about chemtrails and beliefs in general is not about Menow. It's not about DrPostman, either, and it's not about you and me. This issue isn't going away. The issue at hand is what info do we trust and why. What is the truth and how to seek it.

You can't run away from this. If Menow didn't answer your questions clearly enough, the link that I offered did that, don't you think? What about your previous questions remained unanswered after viewing the material (if you viewed it?)?

What we're dealing with here is that what you claimed was your first hand evidence: that you had seen with your very own eyes those oddities in the sky and you regarded those as proof of what is called chemtrails.
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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting.

And yet you continued, until now, when you did get the answers that you had been asking.


BTW, I am about teasing out all the information pro and con on the chemtrail controversy. I am willing to accept any evidence which helps to explain to a concerned public what the heck is going on. Your evidence falls into what I feel is acceptable and reliable information . . . you did good!
 Quoting: George B

So.. after the information and education offered in the link (there's also discussion worth reading), how would you talk to this 'concerned public'? And who are they, btw, where do you talk to those people? Are they real? Or do they (a concerned public) exist only in your imagination, George B?
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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting.

And yet you continued, until now, when you did get the answers that you had been asking.


BTW, I am about teasing out all the information pro and con on the chemtrail controversy. I am willing to accept any evidence which helps to explain to a concerned public what the heck is going on. Your evidence falls into what I feel is acceptable and reliable information . . . you did good!

So.. after the information and education offered in the link (there's also discussion worth reading), how would you talk to this 'concerned public'? And who are they, btw, where do you talk to those people? Are they real? Or do they (a concerned public) exist only in your imagination, George B?
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So you don't think there are people concerned about Contrail/Chemtrail issue? My proposal to Menow was to have a three day debate with a three judge panel. Majority wins. This limits the debate time, introduces the latest and best evidence, I hope, and one finally gets an outcome by vote of three judges. While this is a temporary finding it may carry more weight than you might think. I also propose to do the same with the rest of the Zeta issues if this format interests enough people on GLP.

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So you don't think there are people concerned about Contrail/Chemtrail issue? My proposal to Menow was to have a three day debate with a three judge panel.
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George, I'm not really down with the idea of limiting the scope of discussion on this thread, but as I said before the debate you're talking about really should include some of the regular GLP chemtrail "debunkers" and should probably be on a different thread.

The problem is that many of the people long involved in this discussion are not as polite as you and I don't see how you could have the orderly debate you envision on this site.
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And, George B, everyone on this thread should know that the OP aka the Lone Ranger is currently unavailable. So it's impossible to have the OP's permission. And the very idea that whoever starts a discussion would somehow then own the discussion as property is insane!

DrPostman, who I believe is viewed as somewhat of an official on this thread asked me to stop the Chemtrail posting.

And yet you continued, until now, when you did get the answers that you had been asking.


BTW, I am about teasing out all the information pro and con on the chemtrail controversy. I am willing to accept any evidence which helps to explain to a concerned public what the heck is going on. Your evidence falls into what I feel is acceptable and reliable information . . . you did good!

So.. after the information and education offered in the link (there's also discussion worth reading), how would you talk to this 'concerned public'? And who are they, btw, where do you talk to those people? Are they real? Or do they (a concerned public) exist only in your imagination, George B?

So you don't think there are people concerned about Contrail/Chemtrail issue? My proposal to Menow was to have a three day debate with a three judge panel. Majority wins. This limits the debate time, introduces the latest and best evidence, I hope, and one finally gets an outcome by vote of three judges. While this is a temporary finding it may carry more weight than you might think. I also propose to do the same with the rest of the Zeta issues if this format interests enough people on GLP.
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I think your proposal is an interesting experiment worth trying here, on this thread. But George B, since you didn't answer my questions in the above post, how you're gonna answer any questions in front of three judges?
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By the way, from your last post, Returner, the spelling is "ad nauseam". It's accusative (an ending for when the noun is a direct object or with certain prepositions, such as "ad" here). It's a feminine noun of a common type, not accusative neuter or masculine; the latter ends in -um for nouns which are of a certain type.

Clare, you can't even tell the difference between Returner and Reality420 and yet you claim to be speaking of facts. Actual facts are not what you present. What you generally present is just sloppy work as can be seen in many cases like this example of confusing two posters.
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Inane. Gimmeabreak.

I was back and forth between people and the guy was signing R. I am more interested in the comments than the IDs. If you used real names it might help!

Plus, it was 4-5 in the morning. I wasn't bothering with the names ... the guy signed "R".

I pay more attention to the other stuff ...

Not that I meant to be uncivil!

I wasn't looking to the left so much as reading their material and R. was R. at that point.

However, if you think I did tht with the Moon photos or the Vids of 9/11 -- except one, which I did make a mistake on -- or the issues around the planes and John Lear ... be my guest. THOSE I know. Not every detail, but some are clear and require revision of some of "our" ideas about political reality.
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Come on, George... You foolishly said:


"Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."



Wish you could take it back now?

No there are office workers who are and were prior active duty military members who got a good taste of ordance of all types when they were active duty. Many are reserve and national guard personnel.


Let's try again, since you ignored it the first time.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Cordite is now obsolete and it is no longer produced.

The smell of cordite is frequently referenced (erroneously) in fiction to indicate the recent firing of weapons.


Military ordnance once used/exploded has a specific odor. If you have participated on firing ranges within the military you have experienced this odor. I use to reload shells and the smell when I was a kid was the same as the last time I was on the firing range in the military. Military individuals within any environment where ordnance has been used would recognize this odor. If that was the odor the person said she smelled . . . I would tend to believe her. If Cordite is not used . . . tell me then what does its replacement smell like? Do you know? Common terms are often used incorrectly, cordite smell was and is used to describe such an odor.
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Sorry, but *I* don't have to become an appogist for that allegedly experienced observer whom wouldn't "unremember" that she had smelled CORDITE!

YOU are the one who said: "Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."

So now they are very familiar with something else, instead, because your first claim was, oops, false? How droll, George.
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ALL voice recordings can be faked. And in this case, they HAVE to be. There were no plane wreckages <snip> So, these tapes have to be fake. They have excellent voice fakery available now.

However, it is possible they got voice samples from those about to die, to help the impostering. "We who are about to die speak to you!" More likely, it'll be crackly enough that people won't be able to tell. And anyway, most of those who disappeared were linked to gov't work. Funny, that. So maybe they have actual voice samples.
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Well, this may be off topic, but I'm glad we has this exchange here. I would have probably never opened a "911" thread and for a long time I've felt a little guilty about not looking into what groups like Scholars for 9/11 Truth had to say.

Seeing as they are apparently a bunch of loons, I'm glad I never bothered.

Clare, there were real people on those planes. People with close friends, wives, husbands, lovers, children, parents who dropped them off at the airport, or waited for them at the airport, people whose family members never came home.

You're seriously suggesting that the technology exists to sample someone's voice and create fake conversations that would fool intimate friends and relatives?

Putting this as politely as I can, I think you're so into all this that you're detached from important segments of your mind.
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By the way, from your last post, Returner, the spelling is "ad nauseam". It's accusative (an ending for when the noun is a direct object or with certain prepositions, such as "ad" here). It's a feminine noun of a common type, not accusative neuter or masculine; the latter ends in -um for nouns which are of a certain type.

Clare, you can't even tell the difference between Returner and Reality420 and yet you claim to be speaking of facts. Actual facts are not what you present. What you generally present is just sloppy work as can be seen in many cases like this example of confusing two posters.

Inane. Gimmeabreak.
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No.

I was back and forth between people and the guy was signing R. I am more interested in the comments than the IDs. If you used real names it might help!
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It might help if you were more observant.

Plus, it was 4-5 in the morning. I wasn't bothering with the names ... the guy signed "R".

I pay more attention to the other stuff ...
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No you don't.

Not that I meant to be uncivil!

I wasn't looking to the left so much as reading their material and R. was R. at that point.

However, if you think I did tht with the Moon photos or the Vids of 9/11 -- except one, which I did make a mistake on -- or the issues around the planes and John Lear ... be my guest. THOSE I know. Not every detail, but some are clear and require revision of some of "our" ideas about political reality.
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