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YOU TOO were confused. When you finally got that I was talking of how it doesn't rotate relative to EARTH, however many page and clear statements of that I made, you simply thought that wasn't the point.


Nobody, including me, EVER 'didn't get that', Clare.

I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.

Since I am so very simple and an obvious easy mark, using obviously bogus evidence, why don't you take my challenge . . . no, no, don't say it . . . it is a waste of my time! You take time to respond to almost every post posted here . . . what is the difference?

Come on Clare. I learned long ago that most of what the government says is lies, the parts that are true are only there to make the bullshit around them more palatable for human consumption. If you think that you are going to expose the lies, you have more self importance than any one human being should have. The important part is to realize that we are surrounded by lies and use that little revelation to be discerning about the news around us. If you waste all your energy trying to root out the "truth" you are just chasing your own tail and spending time and energy that would be better spent elsewhere. Even if you find the truth, what good will it do anyone? Will it bring back the dead? Do you honestly think your quest for truth will change anything? You are deluded if you think so.

If you like doom and conspiracy so much, you don't need to dredge up things that happened years ago. We have real bonafide doom ongoing right now in the gulf of Mexico. I am not a doom merchant, but I do recognize the potential for great doom if this leak is not stopped soon. There are lots of lies and smoking mirrors. And it is happening NOW. If people get involved as it happens, there is a better chance of affecting the outcome.

Did you know that in spite of the GOM disaster, YOUR government (not US government that you love to malign) and the premier of BC want to go ahead with plans to lift the ban on offshore drilling off the coast of YOUR country? Do you know that if we allow this to happen, someday it could be OUR waters and coastlines that are affected? Or maybe since you live in the center of the universe, far away from the Gulf of Mexico and even farther away from the BC coast, you don't care and prefer to beat old horses and conspiracy theories.


Ah, I know this argument: why dredge up past lies?

Well, some of us here don't have THOSE straight, so they're sitting ducks for the next ones.

Second, history matters, period.

Third, ALL THE FORWARD WARS and CURRENT WARS are based on these lies.

Fourth, ALL LIES ARE IMPORTANT. ALL TRAGEDIES DESERVE THEIR DAY. And we are still going along with body scans and so on ... because of these lies. No planes, no 9/11 events except death. Now let's talk: what do we accept about current events?

Lastly, if your argument is less about not facing lies and more about living in the now": sure, it's all important. Feed your kids, fight the oil spill, etc. --- or whatever.
But it does not mean the bigger potential didn't happen and the bigger potential isn't plotting now.

YOU TOO were confused. When you finally got that I was talking of how it doesn't rotate relative to EARTH, however many page and clear statements of that I made, you simply thought that wasn't the point.


Nobody, including me, EVER 'didn't get that', Clare.


Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.

Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.

Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.

After all your bizarre, rambling, unsupported posts, many reversals and changes of claim, you are claiming that someone else is unclear?

Yep. Clare was always right from the beginning except where she wasn't, but that doesn't matter 'cause it was my fault anyway...

Heh.

April Gallop was there. That is her witness testimony (and several others outside said the same thing initially on the TV). They may have changed their statements now. The fact is that's what was witnessed. If THEY are wrong, then their claims are not fact content, but the FACT is that's what they say.


Good ole April. Read and weep clare
[link to www.jod911.com]

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.

There were no miles and miles of wire.

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so explain all the little piccies then

Pilots for 9/11 Truth does not officially endorse John Lear's position of no planes, but they come close.

Of course they don't. Nobody wants to endorse an internet wingnut.

Not only do they say the speeds and manoevres were seemingly impossible -- and implausible in why anyone would do things even close to the way claimed --

Sorry, but programming any current FMS is easily learned, and amply sufficient to the task at hand for the hijackers.

they also have done the flight box analysis for the Pentagon, and it was flying about 100 feet over the ground. A flyby.

I think you will find that you have precisely 0 evidence for this.

This is just the start of the facts. They are FACT.
It is at the point where you look or don't look, but the facts in some things have been nailed down and they nail the coffin on the gov't/media tale of planes at those crash sites.

You have not got one right yet, so not an auspicious start.

Besides, Menow, there was no environmental clean-up at Shanksville OR the Pentagon. Hm. NO JET FUEL at Shanksville or Pentagon, confirming Apil and the other witnesses. :)

Interesting claim. Got any evidence?

[snip]
But since they'd make it easy on themselves, this part of their lie is not actually that difficult to understand why they had not planes, just blips and some passengers/ drill participants killed off somewhere, or gov't employees in hiding.

Clare

And finally you wander off into wild speculation.

Have you any evidence at all?

I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.

Since I am so very simple and an obvious easy mark, using obviously bogus evidence, why don't you take my challenge . . . no, no, don't say it . . . it is a waste of my time! You take time to respond to almost every post posted here . . . what is the difference?



Why don't you present some REAL evidence, George?

Why don't you present an analysis of a chemtrail and a contrail taken in situ?

Oh wait, no one has bothered to do that, have they?

Until you do, you are just ranting in the night.

At the Pentagon, the Pentalawn was pristine until the men in suits went around "picking up parts" -- seeming laying them down,

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.

Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.



You obviously know nothing about aircraft. You couldn't tell the difference between a JT8D and a CF6.

Also, have you ever been to an aircraft accident site? No, I bet not. I've been to a few - it's amazing that in some accidents there is so little left that is recognizable as an airplane.

But maybe looking her up on Scroogle (or Google-Spookle) yourself is too hard? Even harder than NOTICING WHAT'S SAID and claiming to be answering real questions or even making sense?



It's not my job to go chasing your alleged 'evidence' down. You apparently fail to realize(not a surprise) that your past performance has rendered almost anything you say as extremely unlikely to be valid in the minds of anyone who has been following this thread.

Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.


Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?

Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.

Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.


Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?

No, unlike me and LUNAR LOSS OF LOCK WHEN PHYSICALLY STOPPED.

Hmm?

I admit to not knowing that.

Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.


Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?

No, unlike me and LUNAR LOSS OF LOCK WHEN PHYSICALLY STOPPED.

Hmm?

I admit to not knowing that.

But maybe looking her up on Scroogle (or Google-Spookle) yourself is too hard? Even harder than NOTICING WHAT'S SAID and claiming to be answering real questions or even making sense?



It's not my job to go chasing your alleged 'evidence' down. You apparently fail to realize(not a surprise) that your past performance has rendered almost anything you say as extremely unlikely to be valid in the minds of anyone who has been following this thread.


+1

Well said.

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.



And this is bull.

There were plane parts all over Manhattan.

The pictures are everywhere.

Straw man argument.
April's speculation at any point that there were missile defenses are NOT THE POINT.

The point here is she DIDN'T SMELL / Experience any jet fuel.

A witness may not know about how a road is made, but still experience a white car driving along it.

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.

There were no miles and miles of wire.

so explain all the little piccies then

I already did. The pieces were all (except one) no bigger than you can carry. And they were NOT in the earliest photo/TV evidence. Then we get all these people photographed "picking them up". THey were first PUTTING THEM THERE.

Not only that, none was identifiable as from the appropriate airline.

The one piece which was bigger was a section with some driftwood in it. It HAS been identified, as coming from a flight which crashed in water, in the 1990s. I forget the number of the flight.

... There was one big thing which WAS removed from the Pentagon under a tarp -- about the size where 10 men in suits could carry it.

Some have suggested it was a mangled missile from the flyover plane -- whose black box was used to "provide a black box",

and which Pilots for 9/11 Truth have discovered did a low flyover.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth does not officially endorse John Lear's position of no planes, but they come close.

Of course they don't. Nobody wants to endorse an internet wingnut.

On this stuff, it's his specialty. He's one of America's most distinguished pilots, with experience also at crash sites.

Not only do they say the speeds and manoevres were seemingly impossible -- and implausible in why anyone would do things even close to the way claimed --

Sorry, but programming any current FMS is easily learned, and amply sufficient to the task at hand for the hijackers.

The "hijackers" had no such experience AND they would not be making things harder to hit -- like the spiral dive to hit the Pentagon, claimed by the gov't. Really, get your head out of the sand.

they also have done the flight box analysis for the Pentagon, and it was flying about 100 feet over the ground. A flyby.

I think you will find that you have precisely 0 evidence for this.

Look them up. They're the pilots. Check their work.

This is just the start of the facts. They are FACT.

It is at the point where you look or don't look, but the facts in some things have been nailed down and they nail the coffin on the gov't/media tale of planes at those crash sites.

You have not got one right yet, so not an auspicious start.

No, you don't kow the subject deeply enough yet, obviously.

Besides, Menow, there was no environmental clean-up at Shanksville OR the Pentagon. Hm. NO JET FUEL at Shanksville or Pentagon, confirming Apil and the other witnesses. :)

Interesting claim. Got any evidence?

None claimed at any point. Just trash clean-up. Check.

At Shanksville, though, they cut off the singed bushes and trees -- so they couldn't be tested for what burned them. It would have shown explosives, not jet fuel, of course, since there was no plane there.



[snip]
But since they'd make it easy on themselves, this part of their lie is not actually that difficult to understand why they had not planes, just blips and some passengers/ drill participants killed off somewhere, or gov't employees in hiding.

Clare

And finally you wander off into wild speculation.

Have you any evidence at all?

Go over it.

You never said, hey, it would break tidal relationship, but yes, it's not rotating now (relative to earth). You picked on terms and confused the whole discussion. "It rotates" was undefined in orer of magnitude and I POINTED THAT OUT.


"Not rotating relative to Earth" is a hopelessly semantic way of looking at it. We, on Earth, don't SEE the physical rotation, but that is really meaningless. YOU, on the other hand, insisted upon dwelling on that in spite of MANY, MANY invitations to look at in from another way which would remove any confusion. You stubbornly REFUSED to respond honestly to the thought experiments and now want to ignore that reality.

Heh.

The people who did the work are airplane buffs and top-notch pilots.

<shrug>

But maybe looking her up on Scroogle (or Google-Spookle) yourself is too hard? Even harder than NOTICING WHAT'S SAID and claiming to be answering real questions or even making sense?



It's not my job to go chasing your alleged 'evidence' down. You apparently fail to realize(not a surprise) that your past performance has rendered almost anything you say as extremely unlikely to be valid in the minds of anyone who has been following this thread.


+1

Well said.

Well said but untrue.

First, not "anyone". Second, you guys were the ons who refused to understand that I got the idea of rotation ALL ALONG. What I didn't get was that the rotation would CHANGE RATE if physically stopped (loss of tidal lock).

And I made a brilliant point YOU guys missed:

It doesn't rotates around Earth when you are at the understanding of it as revolving;

And it doesn't revolve around Earth when you are at the understanding of its rotating.

The latter is a higher understanding level (and viewpoint) of its movement around the Sun. It is here where it is understood as rotating in tidal lock.

So, I am clearly not dumb or not worth listening to.

Wake up.

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.



And this is bull.

There were plane parts all over Manhattan.

The pictures are everywhere.


Nope.

There were an engine and a couple of other small plants.

And I made a brilliant point YOU guys missed:

It doesn't rotates around Earth when you are at the understanding of it as revolving;

And it doesn't revolve around Earth when you are at the understanding of its rotating.

The latter is a higher understanding level (and viewpoint) of its movement around the Sun. It is here where it is understood as rotating in tidal lock.

So, I am clearly not dumb or not worth listening to.

Wake up.

Nope.

There were an engine and a couple of other small plants.

When you go there, you see tidal lock and a sine wave with a rotating Moon, perfectly oriented to the Earth.