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YOU TOO were confused. When you finally got that I was talking of how it doesn't rotate relative to EARTH, however many page and clear statements of that I made, you simply thought that wasn't the point.


Nobody, including me, EVER 'didn't get that', Clare.
 Quoting: Menow 441617


Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.
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I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.

Since I am so very simple and an obvious easy mark, using obviously bogus evidence, why don't you take my challenge . . . no, no, don't say it . . . it is a waste of my time! You take time to respond to almost every post posted here . . . what is the difference?
 Quoting: George B



Why don't you present some REAL evidence, George?

Why don't you present an analysis of a chemtrail and a contrail taken in situ?

Oh wait, no one has bothered to do that, have they?

Until you do, you are just ranting in the night.
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Come on Clare. I learned long ago that most of what the government says is lies, the parts that are true are only there to make the bullshit around them more palatable for human consumption. If you think that you are going to expose the lies, you have more self importance than any one human being should have. The important part is to realize that we are surrounded by lies and use that little revelation to be discerning about the news around us. If you waste all your energy trying to root out the "truth" you are just chasing your own tail and spending time and energy that would be better spent elsewhere. Even if you find the truth, what good will it do anyone? Will it bring back the dead? Do you honestly think your quest for truth will change anything? You are deluded if you think so.

If you like doom and conspiracy so much, you don't need to dredge up things that happened years ago. We have real bonafide doom ongoing right now in the gulf of Mexico. I am not a doom merchant, but I do recognize the potential for great doom if this leak is not stopped soon. There are lots of lies and smoking mirrors. And it is happening NOW. If people get involved as it happens, there is a better chance of affecting the outcome.

Did you know that in spite of the GOM disaster, YOUR government (not US government that you love to malign) and the premier of BC want to go ahead with plans to lift the ban on offshore drilling off the coast of YOUR country? Do you know that if we allow this to happen, someday it could be OUR waters and coastlines that are affected? Or maybe since you live in the center of the universe, far away from the Gulf of Mexico and even farther away from the BC coast, you don't care and prefer to beat old horses and conspiracy theories.


Ah, I know this argument: why dredge up past lies?

Well, some of us here don't have THOSE straight, so they're sitting ducks for the next ones.

Second, history matters, period.

Third, ALL THE FORWARD WARS and CURRENT WARS are based on these lies.

Fourth, ALL LIES ARE IMPORTANT. ALL TRAGEDIES DESERVE THEIR DAY. And we are still going along with body scans and so on ... because of these lies. No planes, no 9/11 events except death. Now let's talk: what do we accept about current events?

Lastly, if your argument is less about not facing lies and more about living in the now": sure, it's all important. Feed your kids, fight the oil spill, etc. --- or whatever.
But it does not mean the bigger potential didn't happen and the bigger potential isn't plotting now.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

You are surely deluded, and like all conspiracy nuts, you shirk your responsibility to acting in the NOW to prevent lies from causing grief in the NOW and tomorrow because it is much easier to sit on your computer and watch youtube videos, read conspiracy blogs and post drivel that won't change a thing. Hey, I agree. We aren't being told the truth about 911, though I don't believe 75% of the analysis from the tin foil hat brigade either, because it's based on bad science and pseudo science. It's enough to know that the whole affair is surrounded by lies. What those lies are is irrelevant, and like JFK, we will never know for sure. Most Americans agree that the truth about JFK has never been told, and at this point, even if we got to the truth, it changes nothing.

Meanwhile, while you chase down irrelevant details to reinforce that we are being lied to, real things are happening. Real lies are being told. Real information is being kept from us, and not just south of the border. There is plenty going on in your own country that needs our attention, but you are too busy sticking your nose in American conspiracies. No wonder our fucking country is such a mess.
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YOU TOO were confused. When you finally got that I was talking of how it doesn't rotate relative to EARTH, however many page and clear statements of that I made, you simply thought that wasn't the point.


Nobody, including me, EVER 'didn't get that', Clare.


Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.
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Right... everyone's perception that you were stubbornly wallowing in self-delusion and wilful ignorance, was MY fault.

Right.
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Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

After all your bizarre, rambling, unsupported posts, many reversals and changes of claim, you are claiming that someone else is unclear?
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Your inane claim repeates OVER AND OVER AND OVER Menow, was "It rotates, Clare". And every time I said It does, but not relative to Earth you didn't say, hey, that doesn't matter because it WOULD if it stopped ... NOOOOOOOO you had to suggest that it rotates.

Your unclarity in showing you got MY point led us nowhere.

After all your bizarre, rambling, unsupported posts, many reversals and changes of claim, you are claiming that someone else is unclear?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


Yep. Clare was always right from the beginning except where she wasn't, but that doesn't matter 'cause it was my fault anyway...

Heh.
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Yep. Clare was always right from the beginning except where she wasn't, but that doesn't matter 'cause it was my fault anyway...

Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 441617

Yeah, when you are wrong you are wrong, but when you are right you are still wrong. Pretty much Clares MO
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April Gallop was there. That is her witness testimony (and several others outside said the same thing initially on the TV). They may have changed their statements now. The fact is that's what was witnessed. If THEY are wrong, then their claims are not fact content, but the FACT is that's what they say.


Good ole April. Read and weep clare
[link to www.jod911.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


Straw man argument.
April's speculation at any point that there were missile defenses are NOT THE POINT.

The point here is she DIDN'T SMELL / Experience any jet fuel.

A witness may not know about how a road is made, but still experience a white car driving along it.

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.

There were no miles and miles of wire.

[link to debunk911myths.org]
[link to debunk911myths.org]

so explain all the little piccies then
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


I already did. The pieces were all (except one) no bigger than you can carry. And they were NOT in the earliest photo/TV evidence. Then we get all these people photographed "picking them up". THey were first PUTTING THEM THERE.

Not only that, none was identifiable as from the appropriate airline.

The one piece which was bigger was a section with some driftwood in it. It HAS been identified, as coming from a flight which crashed in water, in the 1990s. I forget the number of the flight.

... There was one big thing which WAS removed from the Pentagon under a tarp -- about the size where 10 men in suits could carry it. Some have suggested it was a mangled missile from the flyover plane -- whose black box was used to "provide a black box", and which Pilots for 9/11 Truth have discovered did a low flyover.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth does not officially endorse John Lear's position of no planes, but they come close.

Of course they don't. Nobody wants to endorse an internet wingnut.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


On this stuff, it's his specialty. He's one of America's most distinguished pilots, with experience also at crash sites.

Not only do they say the speeds and manoevres were seemingly impossible -- and implausible in why anyone would do things even close to the way claimed --

Sorry, but programming any current FMS is easily learned, and amply sufficient to the task at hand for the hijackers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


The "hijackers" had no such experience AND they would not be making things harder to hit -- like the spiral dive to hit the Pentagon, claimed by the gov't. Really, get your head out of the sand.

they also have done the flight box analysis for the Pentagon, and it was flying about 100 feet over the ground. A flyby.

I think you will find that you have precisely 0 evidence for this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


Look them up. They're the pilots. Check their work.

This is just the start of the facts. They are FACT.
It is at the point where you look or don't look, but the facts in some things have been nailed down and they nail the coffin on the gov't/media tale of planes at those crash sites.

You have not got one right yet, so not an auspicious start.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987953


No, you don't kow the subject deeply enough yet, obviously.

Besides, Menow, there was no environmental clean-up at Shanksville OR the Pentagon. Hm. NO JET FUEL at Shanksville or Pentagon, confirming Apil and the other witnesses. :)

Interesting claim. Got any evidence?
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None claimed at any point. Just trash clean-up. Check.

At Shanksville, though, they cut off the singed bushes and trees -- so they couldn't be tested for what burned them. It would have shown explosives, not jet fuel, of course, since there was no plane there.


[snip]
But since they'd make it easy on themselves, this part of their lie is not actually that difficult to understand why they had not planes, just blips and some passengers/ drill participants killed off somewhere, or gov't employees in hiding.

Clare

And finally you wander off into wild speculation.

Have you any evidence at all?
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Go over it.
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I'd guess you base your belief in chemtrails on silly Youtube videos, and it wouldn't really be a 'guess' since you already cited some of them which contain obviously false information.

Since I am so very simple and an obvious easy mark, using obviously bogus evidence, why don't you take my challenge . . . no, no, don't say it . . . it is a waste of my time! You take time to respond to almost every post posted here . . . what is the difference?



Why don't you present some REAL evidence, George?

Why don't you present an analysis of a chemtrail and a contrail taken in situ?

Oh wait, no one has bothered to do that, have they?

Until you do, you are just ranting in the night.
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Not a bad idea . . . is there a way to use laser technology to do some type of remote mass spectrometry? Sorry, I have to run . . . see you all later.
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At the Pentagon, the Pentalawn was pristine until the men in suits went around "picking up parts" -- seeming laying them down,
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Clare, have you ever had a job doing anything outside, in the real world, with relatively large groups of people involved?

And I don't mean that condescendingly, but what you are describing simply couldn't have been kept secret for five minutes.

Just for starters, the Arlington County Fire Department was in charge within 10 minutes of the crash, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue found plane debris, the black boxes were reportedly found by firefighters and paramedics.

If you are trying to say all these civilians were in on this, or were all kept quiet all these years, you're imagining a world of perfect control which simply doesn't exist.
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As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.

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You obviously know nothing about aircraft. You couldn't tell the difference between a JT8D and a CF6.

Also, have you ever been to an aircraft accident site? No, I bet not. I've been to a few - it's amazing that in some accidents there is so little left that is recognizable as an airplane.
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Re. Pentalawn:

A CNN Reporter at the scene states that there is no evidence that a 757 hit the Pentagon. Watch this video clip:
CNN: 'No evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon' [link to www.freedomfiles.org]

..............................

Here's a news reporter nowhere near the site claiming she saw debris 20 feet from where she's standing ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

Plus if she saw the ebris that was there by then, she was seeing the planted debris.

...................

April Gallop said she saw no debris (at first). She was one of the few who talked and she said she was visited in hospital and told not to remember what she saw.

...................

Note the fine lawn in the pic with the spools.
[link to www.freedomfiles.org]

Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.
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Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.
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Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?
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As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.



You obviously know nothing about aircraft. You couldn't tell the difference between a JT8D and a CF6.

Also, have you ever been to an aircraft accident site? No, I bet not. I've been to a few - it's amazing that in some accidents there is so little left that is recognizable as an airplane.
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The people who did the work are airplane buffs and top-notch pilots.

<shrug>
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But maybe looking her up on Scroogle (or Google-Spookle) yourself is too hard? Even harder than NOTICING WHAT'S SAID and claiming to be answering real questions or even making sense?



It's not my job to go chasing your alleged 'evidence' down. You apparently fail to realize(not a surprise) that your past performance has rendered almost anything you say as extremely unlikely to be valid in the minds of anyone who has been following this thread.
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+1

Well said.
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Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.


Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?
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No, unlike me and LUNAR LOSS OF LOCK WHEN PHYSICALLY STOPPED.

Hmm?

I admit to not knowing that.
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Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.
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You seem to know nothing about anything, except a lot of bullshit conspiracy theories that you half-remember from 'some youtube clip'.

You seem to get some odd pleasure out of being an idiot in public.
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Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.


Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?

No, unlike me and LUNAR LOSS OF LOCK WHEN PHYSICALLY STOPPED.

Hmm?

I admit to not knowing that.
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I give that about a 3 on a scale of 1 to 100.
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Anyway, you really must know more before you speak on this, guys.


Unlike YOU and Lunar rotation, hmm?

No, unlike me and LUNAR LOSS OF LOCK WHEN PHYSICALLY STOPPED.

Hmm?

I admit to not knowing that.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


You have been revealed as a credulous idiot with no understanding of basic physics.
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But maybe looking her up on Scroogle (or Google-Spookle) yourself is too hard? Even harder than NOTICING WHAT'S SAID and claiming to be answering real questions or even making sense?



It's not my job to go chasing your alleged 'evidence' down. You apparently fail to realize(not a surprise) that your past performance has rendered almost anything you say as extremely unlikely to be valid in the minds of anyone who has been following this thread.


+1

Well said.
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Well said but untrue.

First, not "anyone". Second, you guys were the ons who refused to understand that I got the idea of rotation ALL ALONG. What I didn't get was that the rotation would CHANGE RATE if physically stopped (loss of tidal lock). And I made a brilliant point YOU guys missed:

It doesn't rotates around Earth when you are at the understanding of it as revolving;

And it doesn't revolve around Earth when you are at the understanding of its rotating.

The latter is a higher understanding level (and viewpoint) of its movement around the Sun. It is here where it is understood as rotating in tidal lock.

So, I am clearly not dumb or not worth listening to.

Wake up.
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As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.



And this is bull.

There were plane parts all over Manhattan.

The pictures are everywhere.
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Nope.

There were an engine and a couple of other small plants.
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Straw man argument.
April's speculation at any point that there were missile defenses are NOT THE POINT.

The point here is she DIDN'T SMELL / Experience any jet fuel.

A witness may not know about how a road is made, but still experience a white car driving along it.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Yes indeedy Aprils speculation. When did speculation get promoted to evidentiary status?

As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


And your evidence for this is....?

There were no miles and miles of wire.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

And you can prove this because......?

so explain all the little piccies then

I already did. The pieces were all (except one) no bigger than you can carry. And they were NOT in the earliest photo/TV evidence. Then we get all these people photographed "picking them up". THey were first PUTTING THEM THERE.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Which is demonstrated by.......?

Not only that, none was identifiable as from the appropriate airline.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Oh please, now you are descending into flat out lies.

The one piece which was bigger was a section with some driftwood in it. It HAS been identified, as coming from a flight which crashed in water, in the 1990s. I forget the number of the flight.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Nice wild claim with precisely no evidence.

... There was one big thing which WAS removed from the Pentagon under a tarp -- about the size where 10 men in suits could carry it.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

A long discredited claim

Some have suggested it was a mangled missile from the flyover plane -- whose black box was used to "provide a black box",
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

I could suggest that you are in fact bigfoot with a laptop in the forest. Meaningless suggestions are precisely that. Meaningless.

and which Pilots for 9/11 Truth have discovered did a low flyover.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

For which the evidence is.....entirely missing.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth does not officially endorse John Lear's position of no planes, but they come close.

Of course they don't. Nobody wants to endorse an internet wingnut.

On this stuff, it's his specialty. He's one of America's most distinguished pilots, with experience also at crash sites.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Do some research. He is entirely bonkers. Stupid people do not have a monopoly on going nutty.

Not only do they say the speeds and manoevres were seemingly impossible -- and implausible in why anyone would do things even close to the way claimed --
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

This is such an easy flim flam to pull on folks who never flew an aircraft. Have you ever piloted an aircraft Clare? Have you ever programmed an FMS?

Sorry, but programming any current FMS is easily learned, and amply sufficient to the task at hand for the hijackers.

The "hijackers" had no such experience AND they would not be making things harder to hit -- like the spiral dive to hit the Pentagon, claimed by the gov't. Really, get your head out of the sand.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Incorrect, as the record shows.

they also have done the flight box analysis for the Pentagon, and it was flying about 100 feet over the ground. A flyby.

I think you will find that you have precisely 0 evidence for this.

Look them up. They're the pilots. Check their work.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Sorry Clare I will not do your homework for you. You are simply wrong.

This is just the start of the facts. They are FACT.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Putting "FACT" in caps does not bolster your point, it simply makes you look desperate.

It is at the point where you look or don't look, but the facts in some things have been nailed down and they nail the coffin on the gov't/media tale of planes at those crash sites.

You have not got one right yet, so not an auspicious start.

No, you don't kow the subject deeply enough yet, obviously.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Oh but I do, and thus far, your performance is embarrassing. Have you no shame presenting such shambolic efforts as "FACTS"??

Besides, Menow, there was no environmental clean-up at Shanksville OR the Pentagon. Hm. NO JET FUEL at Shanksville or Pentagon, confirming Apil and the other witnesses. :)

Interesting claim. Got any evidence?

None claimed at any point. Just trash clean-up. Check.

At Shanksville, though, they cut off the singed bushes and trees -- so they couldn't be tested for what burned them. It would have shown explosives, not jet fuel, of course, since there was no plane there.



[snip]
But since they'd make it easy on themselves, this part of their lie is not actually that difficult to understand why they had not planes, just blips and some passengers/ drill participants killed off somewhere, or gov't employees in hiding.

Clare

And finally you wander off into wild speculation.

Have you any evidence at all?
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Questions answered by adding more wild claims. Tired old technique Clare.
Go over it.
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Go over what? There is zero evidence presented to go over.
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You never said, hey, it would break tidal relationship, but yes, it's not rotating now (relative to earth). You picked on terms and confused the whole discussion. "It rotates" was undefined in orer of magnitude and I POINTED THAT OUT.


"Not rotating relative to Earth" is a hopelessly semantic way of looking at it. We, on Earth, don't SEE the physical rotation, but that is really meaningless. YOU, on the other hand, insisted upon dwelling on that in spite of MANY, MANY invitations to look at in from another way which would remove any confusion. You stubbornly REFUSED to respond honestly to the thought experiments and now want to ignore that reality.

Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 441617

Still not MEANINGLESS.

In understanding these things, we talk of the Moon orbiting Earth. It does so ONLY WHEN YOU DO NOT GO TO THE LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT ROTATES.

When you go there, you see tidal lock and a sine wave with a rotating Moon, perfectly oriented to the Earth.

If you don't separate the viewpoints you will be confused and CONFUSING to someone who is learning.
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Oh and Menow: I DID ALL YOUR THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS, AND OTHERS' ... the ones which I found, anyway. Posing as if I "refused" anything when clearly my attitude was more than accommodating of meanness AND thought experiments, is bad on you.

For instance, there was the one from someone about the force required in taking off from the Moon.

Did I get CREDIT? No. I showed I knew WHAT I WS TALKING OF, just didn't know the implications re. tidal lock which YOU were talking of in that specific application of stopping the E-M system PHYSICALLY.

So, "Heh" back.

For a layperson, I know a lot about this. And learned something. Thank you. :P
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The people who did the work are airplane buffs and top-notch pilots.

<shrug>
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If you did the research, you would be surprised to find that they are not.

But we already know research is not your strong point
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
But maybe looking her up on Scroogle (or Google-Spookle) yourself is too hard? Even harder than NOTICING WHAT'S SAID and claiming to be answering real questions or even making sense?



It's not my job to go chasing your alleged 'evidence' down. You apparently fail to realize(not a surprise) that your past performance has rendered almost anything you say as extremely unlikely to be valid in the minds of anyone who has been following this thread.


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Well said.

Well said but untrue.

First, not "anyone". Second, you guys were the ons who refused to understand that I got the idea of rotation ALL ALONG. What I didn't get was that the rotation would CHANGE RATE if physically stopped (loss of tidal lock).
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Lunar rotation would do no such thing, in that case.

And I made a brilliant point YOU guys missed:

It doesn't rotates around Earth when you are at the understanding of it as revolving;
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Sorry, but your idea of 'brilliant' is actually meaningless gobbledygook.

And it doesn't revolve around Earth when you are at the understanding of its rotating.
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See above.

The latter is a higher understanding level (and viewpoint) of its movement around the Sun. It is here where it is understood as rotating in tidal lock.

So, I am clearly not dumb or not worth listening to.

Wake up.
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I would have to take several valium to become as 'awake' as you, Clare.
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
As to the physical evidence:
There were no plane parts found anywhere, except wrong types and tiny bits.



And this is bull.

There were plane parts all over Manhattan.

The pictures are everywhere.


Nope.

There were an engine and a couple of other small plants.
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Again you show yourself to know nothing about aircraft. The majority of an aircraft's construction is of aluminum alloy. The only parts composed of steel or titanium are the landing gear and engines. Aluminum shreds into tiny pieces and typically the only surviving parts are the landing gear struts and actuators (steel), engine discs (titanium and steel) when you have a high speed impact with something much stronger than the aircraft (i.e., steel beams in WTC).

Of the images shown for the Pentagon crash, I can recognize the landing gear wheels as belonging to a 757 and the engine parts belonging to a RR RB211 turbofan (the model of engine American Airlines has on it's 757's).

I've worked in the aviation industry for over 30 years. I've been around everything from Cessna 150's to Boeing 747's with particular emphasis on large corporate aircraft, simulators, Boeing 707s to 777's, and Airbus products.

As for you, you probably couldn't tell the difference between a Cessna and a Piper.
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And I made a brilliant point YOU guys missed:

It doesn't rotates around Earth when you are at the understanding of it as revolving;

And it doesn't revolve around Earth when you are at the understanding of its rotating.

The latter is a higher understanding level (and viewpoint) of its movement around the Sun. It is here where it is understood as rotating in tidal lock.

So, I am clearly not dumb or not worth listening to.

Wake up.
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ROFL Classic Clare-ism. It must be seen to be believed.
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Nope.

There were an engine and a couple of other small plants.
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Petunias, perhaps?
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
When you go there, you see tidal lock and a sine wave with a rotating Moon, perfectly oriented to the Earth.


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Wrong again, Clare. It was pointed out to you, several times by me and others, that the Moon is NOT 'perfectly oriented' to Earth. LIBRATION shows that, clearly.

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