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I think Nancy's claim about the Earth being "halted in orbit" is probably the most ridiculous of her claims. For one thing, it's one of the easiest to prove wrong. It doesn't take a lot of effort and there are many sources of evidence that one can use. The most obvious is the progression of the seasons. They wouldn't happen if Earth were "halted in orbit." The second easiest would be to watch the sun's movement from south to north and back again throughout the year. Now, we know she claims the "Zetas" are tilting the Earth back and forth to make that yearly trip appear normal and also simulate the seasons...but all one has to do is look at the North Star to see that isn't true. If the Earth were being tilted about, the North Star would be all over the sky. In addition, constellations and other planets wouldn't appear where they should. The night sky is also another source of observation that proves the Earth is not "halted in orbit." As stated, constellations and planets would not be where they should. As we all know, some constellations are only visible during certain times of the year...being blocked from view by the sun as the sun lies between the Earth and the constellation. No amount of tilting the Earth will make them visible. Nor will lowering or raising Earth in its ecliptic make them visible either. And you can't move the Earth and still have other celestial objects appear where they should. I'm not sure which is more incredible...the fact that Nancy believes her claim or that her believers do.

I think Nancy's claim about the Earth being "halted in orbit" is probably the most ridiculous of her claims. For one thing, it's one of the easiest to prove wrong. It doesn't take a lot of effort and there are many sources of evidence that one can use. The most obvious is the progression of the seasons. They wouldn't happen if Earth were "halted in orbit." The second easiest would be to watch the sun's movement from south to north and back again throughout the year. Now, we know she claims the "Zetas" are tilting the Earth back and forth to make that yearly trip appear normal and also simulate the seasons...but all one has to do is look at the North Star to see that isn't true. If the Earth were being tilted about, the North Star would be all over the sky. In addition, constellations and other planets wouldn't appear where they should. The night sky is also another source of observation that proves the Earth is not "halted in orbit." As stated, constellations and planets would not be where they should. As we all know, some constellations are only visible during certain times of the year...being blocked from view by the sun as the sun lies between the Earth and the constellation. No amount of tilting the Earth will make them visible. Nor will lowering or raising Earth in its ecliptic make them visible either. And you can't move the Earth and still have other celestial objects appear where they should. I'm not sure which is more incredible...the fact that Nancy believes her claim or that her believers do.


Actually, they don't. They just want to ignore it.

I think Nancy's claim about the Earth being "halted in orbit" is probably the most ridiculous of her claims. For one thing, it's one of the easiest to prove wrong. It doesn't take a lot of effort and there are many sources of evidence that one can use. The most obvious is the progression of the seasons. They wouldn't happen if Earth were "halted in orbit." The second easiest would be to watch the sun's movement from south to north and back again throughout the year. Now, we know she claims the "Zetas" are tilting the Earth back and forth to make that yearly trip appear normal and also simulate the seasons...but all one has to do is look at the North Star to see that isn't true. If the Earth were being tilted about, the North Star would be all over the sky. In addition, constellations and other planets wouldn't appear where they should. The night sky is also another source of observation that proves the Earth is not "halted in orbit." As stated, constellations and planets would not be where they should. As we all know, some constellations are only visible during certain times of the year...being blocked from view by the sun as the sun lies between the Earth and the constellation. No amount of tilting the Earth will make them visible. Nor will lowering or raising Earth in its ecliptic make them visible either. And you can't move the Earth and still have other celestial objects appear where they should. I'm not sure which is more incredible...the fact that Nancy believes her claim or that her believers do.


Actually, they don't. They just want to ignore it.


This is the most IMPORTANT thing the Zetas said last night:

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 4 (Page 5)

Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003.
could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??

SOZT
This is within the realm of possibility.
EOZT

I have stated earlier that I think another "white lie" is in the offering - perhaps even another "Great" white lie. The whole zetas tilting earth and earth stopped in its orbit can be main pillars of it. All this - TO KEEP THE DIALOGUE GOING. As to whether or not such tactics are justified, we have NO CHOICE but to WAIT AND SEE what the final outcome will be. In the meantime, I remain a FENCE SITTER!!!

:onfence:

What good is a white lie that nobody believes in the first place? To anyone with a little curiosity and critical thinking skills, it is easy to prove that the earth has NOT been stopped in orbit in the "September position" for the past however many years, and if it were, no amount of moving the earth or the heavens would make things look normal. So what is the point of a lie, white or otherwise? Only a very small number of people on this forum are gullible enough to fall for the stalled earth claim. Certainly nobody in the government, astronomers (professional and amateur, including 10 year old kids) will believe it, so why the lie? Why deceive the few remaining believers with a white lie?

You mean where "Zetas" say that they had their fingers crossed all along? How does that justify any "fence-sitting"? It just means we were right all along and they, as is clearly obvious anyway, were lying.


I've been writing about the next Great White Lie for years
because it's obvious to anyone with any understanding of
science that she is going to continue to fail. She HAS to
come up with another excuse or get honest about the whole
thing. She's gone too far down her own rabbit hole to do
that though.

This is the most IMPORTANT thing the Zetas said last night:

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 4 (Page 5)

Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003.
could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??

SOZT
This is within the realm of possibility.
EOZT

I have stated earlier that I think another "white lie" is in the offering - perhaps even another "Great" white lie. The whole zetas tilting earth and earth stopped in its orbit can be main pillars of it. All this - TO KEEP THE DIALOGUE GOING. As to whether or not such tactics are justified, we have NO CHOICE but to WAIT AND SEE what the final outcome will be. In the meantime, I remain a FENCE SITTER!!!

Lol, just the first post of this thread made me .

I think the excuse will be "zetas changed their mind" - "moved Px" or other "get out of ridicule free" concept. Otherwise Nancy will look like the kook she is and have only one real follower.

I think the excuse will be "zetas changed their mind" - "moved Px" or other "get out of ridicule free" concept. Otherwise Nancy will look like the kook she is and have only one real follower.

If Nancy were smart, she'd claim the "Council of Worlds" decided to let the "Zetas" move "Planet X" and prevent the "pole shift." This would allow her to continue believing she was in contact with aliens and also save face with her followers.

Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003.
could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??

SOZT
This is within the realm of possibility.
EOZT

I have stated earlier that I think another "white lie" is in the offering - perhaps even another "Great" white lie. The whole zetas tilting earth and earth stopped in its orbit can be main pillars of it. All this - TO KEEP THE DIALOGUE GOING. As to whether or not such tactics are justified, we have NO CHOICE but to WAIT AND SEE what the final outcome will be. In the meantime, I remain a FENCE SITTER!!!

I think Nancy's claim about the Earth being "halted in orbit" is probably the most ridiculous of her claims. For one thing, it's one of the easiest to prove wrong. It doesn't take a lot of effort and there are many sources of evidence that one can use. The most obvious is the progression of the seasons. They wouldn't happen if Earth were "halted in orbit." The second easiest would be to watch the sun's movement from south to north and back again throughout the year. Now, we know she claims the "Zetas" are tilting the Earth back and forth to make that yearly trip appear normal and also simulate the seasons...but all one has to do is look at the North Star to see that isn't true. If the Earth were being tilted about, the North Star would be all over the sky. In addition, constellations and other planets wouldn't appear where they should. The night sky is also another source of observation that proves the Earth is not "halted in orbit." As stated, constellations and planets would not be where they should. As we all know, some constellations are only visible during certain times of the year...being blocked from view by the sun as the sun lies between the Earth and the constellation. No amount of tilting the Earth will make them visible. Nor will lowering or raising Earth in its ecliptic make them visible either. And you can't move the Earth and still have other celestial objects appear where they should. I'm not sure which is more incredible...the fact that Nancy believes her claim or that her believers do.


Actually, they don't. They just want to ignore it.


This is the most IMPORTANT thing the Zetas said last night:

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 4 (Page 5)

Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003.
could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??

SOZT
This is within the realm of possibility.
EOZT

I have stated earlier that I think another "white lie" is in the offering - perhaps even another "Great" white lie. The whole zetas tilting earth and earth stopped in its orbit can be main pillars of it. All this - TO KEEP THE DIALOGUE GOING. As to whether or not such tactics are justified, we have NO CHOICE but to WAIT AND SEE what the final outcome will be. In the meantime, I remain a FENCE SITTER!!!

:onfence:

So the "zetas" are nothing but liars?

So the "zetas" are nothing but liars?


Apparently, that's what it's coming down to...so why should anyone believe anything else they've ever said? How do they know when the "Zetas" are telling the truth and when they aren't?

gut feel

gut feel

Another white lie in the offing. What a riot! What did the last white lie accomplish besides persuading a handful of people too stupid to use a bit of common sense and logic to hang on to the fear and expectation after the 2003 no show of planet x? Oh, right. the white lie got Nancy off the hook for a failed doom date and bought her a bit more time. She knows planet x is not here, nor is it coming, and she knows her deadline date is fast approaching. Given the almost non existent credibility she has with her almost 0% accuracy track record, she will have to come up with a real whopper to convince even the most devout believer. Freestore and Burkettgirl will probably believe whatever she comes up with.

So if the Zetas really want the truth about Planet X to come out, and for people to be prepared... why do they keep discrediting themselves? Assuming PX is real, a series of failed prophecies will result in anyone else trying to get the word out being tarnished by association - "oh, I've heard about Nibiru, wasn't that the rogue planet from the failed doomsday cult? What BS that turned out to be."

So when Planet X really does come (!) people will be unprepared and die en masse, because of the Zetas' "white lies." Said it before and I'll say it again - these are not benevolent aliens!

So if the Zetas really want the truth about Planet X to come out, and for people to be prepared... why do they keep discrediting themselves? Assuming PX is real, a series of failed prophecies will result in anyone else trying to get the word out being tarnished by association - "oh, I've heard about Nibiru, wasn't that the rogue planet from the failed doomsday cult? What BS that turned out to be."

So when Planet X really does come (!) people will be unprepared and die en masse, because of the Zetas' "white lies." Said it before and I'll say it again - these are not benevolent aliens!

We've brought that point up before as well. All the "Zetas" are doing now is aiding the government in any cover up. They really aren't doing anyone any favors by withholding information...a fact they even confirmed with the following statement made in 2003:

"As explained on Gentile last evening, but repeated here as many will not be able to hear this streaming audio, we have given the dates out because the US and Indonesian governments can no longer succeed with their plans. We had held the date close, to put these governments in the same position the common man they planned to murder are in, so that rotation stoppage would happen suddenly and prevent a smooth blockading of the city dwellers. As Nancy has been able to be interviewed in the US, the message of these plans replayed around the world, cooperation by the military or locale police in such blockades are unlikely to happen. Given such orders, they would object, refuse, allow escape, as they know the true agenda. Thus, the number of people injured by withholding the date outnumbered the number that would be murdered, the balance scale tipped."
ZetaTalk: Dates, Why Now?

Of course, one has to wonder why they then needed to come up with a "white lie" to explain why nothing happened. Some people, such as ZetaMax and Free Store, claim they understand the "white lie" and see why it was necessary. However, the statement above contradicts their reason for the "white lie" in the first place...that being the government was evil and intended to do bad things to people during the "pole shift." As you can see, the above statement says the government would fail with those plans. So, really, the "white lie" was nothing more than an excuse to explain a failed "pole shift."

Has Nancy ever explained why the world's governments would want to slaughter all of their own citizens right before a pole shift, anyway? If most of the population's going to die anyway it seems kind of pointless... the nation with the most surviving able bodied workers would surely be in a better position to emerge as a world power after a pole shift.

So let me get this straight.

Px will kill 90% of the population, but the NWO is going to expend the energy to kill, or "pre-slaughter" lots of people, just before Px is gonna kill them anyway.

Can any bunker present a rationale for such an action?

Didnt think so.

So let me get this straight.

Px will kill 90% of the population, but the NWO is going to expend the energy to kill, or "pre-slaughter" lots of people, just before Px is gonna kill them anyway.

Can any bunker present a rationale for such an action?

Didnt think so.