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You just shot your argument down before it started.

Opponent Exhibit #1: Contrail definition by NOAA: A contrail is the condensation trail that is left behind by a passing jet plane. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. Vapor pressure is just a fancy term for the amount of pressure that is exerted by water vapor itself (as opposed to atmospheric, or barometric, pressure which is due to the weight of the entire atmosphere above you). The mixing occurs directly behind the plane due to the turbulence generated by the engine. If condensation (conversion from a gas to a liquid) occurs, then a contrail becomes visible. Since air temperatures at these high atmospheric levels are very cold (generally colder than -40 F), only a small amount of liquid is necessary for condensation to occur. Water is a normal byproduct of combustion in engines. [link to www.wrh.noaa.gov]


Case closed.

I in no way feel the above definition by NOAA limits my chances of winning. Why don't you observe the Trial and see.


The point is that the "normal" definition of contrails explains everything observed perfectly well. Why bring un-needed complexity into something that is really very simple.
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Your are correct the complexity is staggering. It is one of the most complex scientific, political, military, and social issue of our era. Aerial particulate dispersal for tactical and weapon system support has a long and ugly past. The Air Force alone has spent decades studying the medical and environmental implications in Project Ranch Hand. The particulate dispersal programs of the past are minimal compared to the more covert and massive programs that are now in play. I feel shining the light of day on the activities would be welcomed by concerned citizens!

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United States
General Accounting Office
Washington, D.C. 20548
National Security and
International Affairs Division
B-279055
September 22, 1998
The Honorable Harry Reid
United States Senate
Dear Senator Reid:
This report responds to your request regarding the use of chaff by the Department of Defense (DOD) and the effects of chaff. Chaff is composed of aluminum-coated silica glass fibers that can be spread by aircraft in flight, ships at sea, and vehicles on the ground to help them evade enemy
radar. You expressed concern about DOD’s continued use of chaff for decades without sufficient knowledge of its long-term effects on the environment. As agreed with your office, this report addresses (1) the extent and locations of chaff use, (2) its reported known and potential
effects, and (3) the initiatives being taken or considered to address chaff’s unintended effects

While DOD components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapon systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff. Chaff
can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar. Chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the
ground. It has been reported that chaff has also caused power outages and damaged electrical equipment. Potential effects cited by Defense and other organizations include those on health and the environment. For example,
the Air Force reported that chaff has a potential but remote chance of collecting in reservoirs and causing chemical changes that may affect water and the species that use it.


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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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United States
General Accounting Office
Washington, D.C. 20548
National Security and
International Affairs Division
B-279055
September 22, 1998
The Honorable Harry Reid
United States Senate
Dear Senator Reid:
This report responds to your request regarding the use of chaff by the Department of Defense (DOD) and the effects of chaff. Chaff is composed of aluminum-coated silica glass fibers that can be spread by aircraft in flight, ships at sea, and vehicles on the ground to help them evade enemy
radar. You expressed concern about DOD’s continued use of chaff for decades without sufficient knowledge of its long-term effects on the environment. As agreed with your office, this report addresses (1) the extent and locations of chaff use, (2) its reported known and potential
effects, and (3) the initiatives being taken or considered to address chaff’s unintended effects

While DOD components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapon systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff. Chaff
can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar. Chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the
ground. It has been reported that chaff has also caused power outages and damaged electrical equipment. Potential effects cited by Defense and other organizations include those on health and the environment. For example,
the Air Force reported that chaff has a potential but remote chance of collecting in reservoirs and causing chemical changes that may affect water and the species that use it.


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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?
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United States
General Accounting Office
Washington, D.C. 20548
National Security and
International Affairs Division
B-279055
September 22, 1998
The Honorable Harry Reid
United States Senate
Dear Senator Reid:
This report responds to your request regarding the use of chaff by the Department of Defense (DOD) and the effects of chaff. Chaff is composed of aluminum-coated silica glass fibers that can be spread by aircraft in flight, ships at sea, and vehicles on the ground to help them evade enemy
radar. You expressed concern about DOD’s continued use of chaff for decades without sufficient knowledge of its long-term effects on the environment. As agreed with your office, this report addresses (1) the extent and locations of chaff use, (2) its reported known and potential
effects, and (3) the initiatives being taken or considered to address chaff’s unintended effects

While DOD components report that chaff is an effective means of defense for aircraft, ships, and related weapon systems, DOD and other agencies have identified some unintended and potential side effects of chaff. Chaff
can affect safety by interfering with air traffic control radar. Chaff can also affect weather radar observations and the operation of friendly radar systems, especially when vehicles stir up chaff that has settled on the
ground. It has been reported that chaff has also caused power outages and damaged electrical equipment. Potential effects cited by Defense and other organizations include those on health and the environment. For example,
the Air Force reported that chaff has a potential but remote chance of collecting in reservoirs and causing chemical changes that may affect water and the species that use it.


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So, what exactly does "chaff" have to do with "chemtrails"?
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So, what exactly does "chaff" have to do with "chemtrails"?
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It is an aerially dispersed particulate contaminate that the military and government release at altitude without the knowledge and consent of the people. It stays in the air for extended periods of time . . . long enough to create inaccurate radar signatures to confuse air traffic controllers and meteorologists. It has significant environmental and health issues. Some research suggests significant interference with storm creation and lightening suppression. Seems to me Chaff is a perfect definition of Chemtrail . . . if you think your government and military is not capable of much more you need to read history. Chaff previously thought to effect limited areas of air space is now a much bigger problem . . . maybe this is because of how Chaff is dispersed and what it now contains . . . including the use of specialized Air Craft used to released it at higher altitudes and the purposes it is used for. . . do you not think technology evolves and is tested. If not I have more information for you to consider.

The term chemtrail is derived from "chemical trail" in the similar fashion that contrail is an abbreviation for condensation trail. It does not refer to common forms of aerial spraying such as crop dusting, cloud seeding or aerial firefighting. The term specifically refers to aerial trails allegedly caused by the systematic high-altitude release of chemical substances not found in ordinary contrails, resulting in the appearance of supposedly uncharacteristic sky tracks. Believers of this theory speculate that the purpose of the chemical release may be for global dimming, population control, weather control, or biowarfare and claim that these trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems
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The term specifically refers to aerial trails allegedly caused by the systematic high-altitude release of chemical substances not found in ordinary contrails, resulting in the appearance of supposedly uncharacteristic sky tracks.
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You have some proof that they're making uncharacteristic sky tracks with chaff, whose purpose is to fool the radar of enemy missiles?
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You have some proof that they're making uncharacteristic sky tracks with chaff, whose purpose is to fool the radar of enemy missiles?
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Not exactly as you have stated it; however, I will say that at one time I read and copied documentation that strongly suggested similar capabilities . . . I had a computer crash since and lost a lot of my sources. I hope I can relocate and document much of what I am now saying.

Until I can produce said documentation just think logically. Think of an area combat commander with the capability to suppress radar identification of his forces over an entire region, say the size of Saudi Arabia or Iraq. And say for example a contractor/technology that gives you the opportunity to selectively use the particulate as a fuel additive & by using semi-permeable membranes to turn on and off dispersal . . . thus alleviating the need even for specialized air craft.

Along with radar & defensive weapon suppression throw in the added benefit of enhanced 3D imaging of the combat area with technology you were already using. With an understanding of prevailing winds, jet streams, etc. one would quickly learn when and how much dispersed particulate was required.

The need to further refine and evolve these capabilities during peace time would be overwhelming . . . as we have seen historical testing of military technology within the confines of the US and elsewhere without the longterm understanding of its effects is common.
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Clare, what would you consider a "proper" hole in the Pentagon? Especially considering the jet crash video that was posted yesterday along wth the fact that the plane is made of thin aluminum and the Pentagon of reinforced concrete.
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You have some proof that they're making uncharacteristic sky tracks with chaff, whose purpose is to fool the radar of enemy missiles?

Not exactly as you have stated it; however, I will say that at one time I read and copied documentation that strongly suggested similar capabilities
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Same, regurgitated crapola every time. NO ONE says there isn't the capability to spray stuff from planes.

Sheesh!
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Maybe, just maybe, the Zetas carried out 9/11 to cover up the faked Moon landings and destroy the secret evidence vault housed in the Towers!

And that's not against their policy of non-interference just like moving planets around is not against their policy of non-interference.

Everyone needs to keep an open mind and evaluate the YouTube evidence and listen, really listen, to what David dIcke's old room-mate's first cousin's plumber's favorite NASCAR driver's aunt's hairstylist has to say.
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Not exactly as you have stated it;
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Then it's not a chemtrail. Next.
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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?
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This clip (see 1:50 through 2:26) addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.


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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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You have some proof that they're making uncharacteristic sky tracks with chaff, whose purpose is to fool the radar of enemy missiles?

Not exactly as you have stated it; however, I will say that at one time I read and copied documentation that strongly suggested similar capabilities . . . I had a computer crash since and lost a lot of my sources. I hope I can relocate and document much of what I am now saying.

Until I can produce said documentation just think logically. Think of an area combat commander with the capability to suppress radar identification of his forces over an entire region, say the size of Saudi Arabia or Iraq. And say for example a contractor/technology that gives you the opportunity to selectively use the particulate as a fuel additive & by using semi-permeable membranes to turn on and off dispersal . . . thus alleviating the need even for specialized air craft.

Along with radar & defensive weapon suppression throw in the added benefit of enhanced 3D imaging of the combat area with technology you were already using. With an understanding of prevailing winds, jet streams, etc. one would quickly learn when and how much dispersed particulate was required.

The need to further refine and evolve these capabilities during peace time would be overwhelming . . . as we have seen historical testing of military technology within the confines of the US and elsewhere without the longterm understanding of its effects is common.
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If the chaff is big enough to damage electrical equipment and cause power outages, it certainly isn't something that could be mixed into jet fuel without causing major damage to the engines. You're talking about two completely different things here.
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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?


This clip (see 1:50 through 2:26) addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.
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So, how do you expect to have enough "evidence" to win any sort of debate?
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Maybe, just maybe, the Zetas carried out 9/11 to cover up the faked Moon landings and destroy the secret evidence vault housed in the Towers!

And that's not against their policy of non-interference just like moving planets around is not against their policy of non-interference.

Everyone needs to keep an open mind and evaluate the YouTube evidence and listen, really listen, to what David dIcke's old room-mate's first cousin's plumber's favorite NASCAR driver's aunt's hairstylist has to say.
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That's the ticket!
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You have some proof that they're making uncharacteristic sky tracks with chaff, whose purpose is to fool the radar of enemy missiles?

Not exactly as you have stated it; however, I will say that at one time I read and copied documentation that strongly suggested similar capabilities


Same, regurgitated crapola every time. NO ONE says there isn't the capability to spray stuff from planes.

Sheesh!
 Quoting: Menow 988478

This clip see 1:50 through 2:26 addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing a process which is almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.

Sheesh! What part of contrails/chemtrails being used for the same purpose do you not understand? Particulates may well be added to any flight any time an agency wishes. This may be one of the reasons those yelling about what is happening almost impossible to prove.
Persistent contrails and chemtrails may well be almost impossible to distinguish between with the naked eye.

When many people feel something has changed over time and technology . . . (and I place myself in that category) history has recorded sometimes they are more correct than the authorities.
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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?


This clip (see 1:50 through 2:26) addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.


So, how do you expect to have enough "evidence" to win any sort of debate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 218281

Many, Many court cases are won on circumstantial evidence. We may not have the murdered person's body . . . it is impossible to find but all evidence points to the guilty party. A panel of judges or one judge hearing all the evidence regarding Chemtrail/Contrail controversy may find for my position based on the preponderance of evidence. Also, new evidence is produced almost daily by investigators and by release of government documents.

Sorry, I have run now I will return.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?


This clip (see 1:50 through 2:26) addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.


So, how do you expect to have enough "evidence" to win any sort of debate?

Many, Many court cases are won on circumstantial evidence. We may not have the murdered person's body . . . it is impossible to find but all evidence points to the guilty party. A panel of judges or one judge hearing all the evidence regarding Chemtrail/Contrail controversy may find for my position based on the preponderance of evidence. Also, new evidence is produced almost daily by investigators and by release of government documents.

Sorry, I have run now I will return.
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You've already said you don't have a sample. You've already been shown that the appearance of normal contrails varies widely based on the altitude and humidity of the air where they are deposited.

So, what exactly DO you have that would lead you to believe that they are anything BUT normal contrails? What exactly is your "preponderance" of "circumstantial evidence"?
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So is anything happening with nancy anymore or is she gone for good?
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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?


This clip (see 1:50 through 2:26) addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.


So, how do you expect to have enough "evidence" to win any sort of debate?

Many, Many court cases are won on circumstantial evidence. We may not have the murdered person's body . . . it is impossible to find but all evidence points to the guilty party. A panel of judges or one judge hearing all the evidence regarding Chemtrail/Contrail controversy may find for my position based on the preponderance of evidence. Also, new evidence is produced almost daily by investigators and by release of government documents.

Sorry, I have run now I will return.



You've already said you don't have a sample. You've already been shown that the appearance of normal contrails varies widely based on the altitude and humidity of the air where they are deposited.

So, what exactly DO you have that would lead you to believe that they are anything BUT normal contrails? What exactly is your "preponderance" of "circumstantial evidence"?
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I would say the evidence resides in several categories:
1. Government documentation, some going back many years
2. Environmental samples of expected Chemtrail residue showing similar results in many locations where persistent Contrails have been witnessed
3. The existence of Chemtrail activist that are found in almost every developed country in the world (some mentioning trails associated with military activity)
4. Scientific proposals which can be documented that propose weather modification strategies and climate mitigation through particulate dispersal processes almost identical to Chemtrails
5. Development of genetically engineered crops which can thrive in area where certain metals concentrations are toxic . . .

This is a partial list . . . I don't want to give away all my cards just yet.

And by the way . . . by using my good looks, persuasion, logic and common sense . . . most people will and can connect the dots when given adequate data.
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If the chaff is big enough to damage electrical equipment and cause power outages, it certainly isn't something that could be mixed into jet fuel without causing major damage to the engines. You're talking about two completely different things here.
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Correct! Particulates small enough to be added to jet fuel without destroying the performance or integrity of the engines is obviously not the same CHAFF developed during WWII and or described in the GAO research report cited above. The CHAFF that would be used to disperse over an entire region or country would be technically way more advanced but by-the-way could and probably does contain some of the same elemental metals.
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In other words, all you have is speculation.

Thought so.
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If the chaff is big enough to damage electrical equipment and cause power outages, it certainly isn't something that could be mixed into jet fuel without causing major damage to the engines. You're talking about two completely different things here.


Correct! Particulates small enough to be added to jet fuel without destroying the performance or integrity of the engines is obviously not the same CHAFF developed during WWII and or described in the GAO research report cited above. The CHAFF that would be used to disperse over an entire region or country would be technically way more advanced but by-the-way could and probably does contain some of the same elemental metals.
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So, why did you even bring up the subject of chaff?
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If the chaff is big enough to damage electrical equipment and cause power outages, it certainly isn't something that could be mixed into jet fuel without causing major damage to the engines. You're talking about two completely different things here.


Correct! Particulates small enough to be added to jet fuel without destroying the performance or integrity of the engines is obviously not the same CHAFF developed during WWII and or described in the GAO research report cited above. The CHAFF that would be used to disperse over an entire region or country would be technically way more advanced but by-the-way could and probably does contain some of the same elemental metals.


So, why did you even bring up the subject of chaff?
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Because they can IMPLY that it's somehow related to 'chemtrails'.
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If the chaff is big enough to damage electrical equipment and cause power outages, it certainly isn't something that could be mixed into jet fuel without causing major damage to the engines. You're talking about two completely different things here.


Correct! Particulates small enough to be added to jet fuel without destroying the performance or integrity of the engines is obviously not the same CHAFF developed during WWII and or described in the GAO research report cited above. The CHAFF that would be used to disperse over an entire region or country would be technically way more advanced but by-the-way could and probably does contain some of the same elemental metals.


So, why did you even bring up the subject of chaff?
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Because chaff is an aerial dispersal strategy going back decades . . . it has been technically refined and enhanced over the decades, it contains many of the components that allegedly Chemtrails are thought to contain, . . . it has weather modification and toxicity issues, and like all other military technologies the general public is only informed of advances in military technology sometimes decades after their use. There is at least one individual who has indicated the purpose of Cemtrails is: the dispersal of advanced forms of CHAFF. I did not make this up (though I really like the idea and wish I had thought of it first). . . however, I am not able to release the documentation at this time. Not because it is classified but I have simply misplaced the blasted thing. Bottom line: Chemtrails=Contrails=Advanced CHAFF distribution. And now because of the method of distribution when one sees a trail in the sky one never knows the difference between a Contrail or a Chemtrail.
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06/02/2010 04:11 PM
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So what is it chemtrails are supposed to do?

And where is Clare? I haven't had my fix of relational predisposed superpositional interstitial grass-roots homiligook today. I mean damn, did we run off the only chick in the room?
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06/02/2010 04:19 PM
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So get a fucking in situ sample and END the argument.

oh wait, that may ruin your fantasy, right?


This clip (see 1:50 through 2:26) addresses the issue you keep pounding. It is not easily accomplished and the people who are concerned about Chemtrails are ridiculed and not normally supported by the technical, scientific, or political community. Thus accomplishing a highly technical and scientifically challenging effort as Chemtrail sampling (with chain of custody) and testing almost out of their reach. Sounds like the military personnel who for years complained about Agent Orange exposure effects, Gulf War syndrome, etc. History has proven some of what they said as true.


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In other words, the chemk00ks don't WANT the question resolved.
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06/02/2010 04:20 PM

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In other words, all you have is speculation.

Thought so.
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No, it was actually buried in a highly technical report regarding a battle field imaging technology which was first used by the Navy but was then modified and used by the Air Force in the Gulf Wars. That is the reference I lost when my computer crash and I cannot relocate it. It had a extremely complex acronym that I can't remember to save my life.
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06/02/2010 04:25 PM

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In other words, the chemk00ks don't WANT the question resolved.
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You can assume that . . . I rather think they are doing the best they can with the resources at their disposal. They may eventually be able to do just what your are demanding for your proof; however, I think even then you would find and objection.
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If the chaff is big enough to damage electrical equipment and cause power outages, it certainly isn't something that could be mixed into jet fuel without causing major damage to the engines. You're talking about two completely different things here.


Correct! Particulates small enough to be added to jet fuel without destroying the performance or integrity of the engines is obviously not the same CHAFF developed during WWII and or described in the GAO research report cited above. The CHAFF that would be used to disperse over an entire region or country would be technically way more advanced but by-the-way could and probably does contain some of the same elemental metals.


So, why did you even bring up the subject of chaff?


Because chaff is an aerial dispersal strategy going back decades . . . it has been technically refined and enhanced over the decades, it contains many of the components that allegedly Chemtrails are thought to contain, . . . it has weather modification and toxicity issues, and like all other military technologies the general public is only informed of advances in military technology sometimes decades after their use. There is at least one individual who has indicated the purpose of Cemtrails is: the dispersal of advanced forms of CHAFF. I did not make this up (though I really like the idea and wish I had thought of it first). . . however, I am not able to release the documentation at this time. Not because it is classified but I have simply misplaced the blasted thing. Bottom line: Chemtrails=Contrails=Advanced CHAFF distribution. And now because of the method of distribution when one sees a trail in the sky one never knows the difference between a Contrail or a Chemtrail.
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And you were challenging very knowledgeable people to debate the subject with only THIS?

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