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What does the # of pages do for you? Give you a thrill?

Most of it's just nasty posts.

It gives ZetaMax the dooldrums. He claimed that we would never
get this many pages.


I am content knowing that the horse named TLR hung himself with his own rope. Debunker self-destruction is truly a "thrill" to witness.


BTW, what happened to TLR? I missed something.


This is "purely" speculation on my part - but just recently the viewcount on this thread was SUBSTANTIALLY reduced by SHR - who reported that he suspected a script or utility was being used to increase the count. He said (to the effect) that this was equivalent to and in fact WAS a denial-of-service attack, even if the instigator had an inferior goal and didn't appreciate that this was in fact the "effect" of his (assuming a "he") "activities".

When Circuit Breaker decried the rather substantial reduction of the count, SHR countered that he should be THANKFUL the entire thread was not DELETED - an action he SERIOUSLY considered, but decided to back away from.

Ironically, TLR has NOT been seen since that incident, and more telling is the fact that a LOT of the "pet" smilies he used are no longer available. Like this one:

:excited:

Which was his famous "dancing man".

So I "suspect" that his account was deleted, and he is currently banned from GLP.

But I not saying at all that this is the case.

Merely speculation ...

Bottom line - PLAY FAIR AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


And 'SHR', if you look it up, is a friend of Nancy's, so it seems Nancy just didn't like how POPULAR this thread was, so got it 'knobbled'!

It's pretty obvious, since Anti-ZetaTalk has ALWAYS been immeasurably MORE POPULAR than Nancy's BULLSHIT!

But then GLP has always favoured the kOOks. Let's face it, they need all the help they can get!
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Clare's "flyover theory":

[link to 911research.wtc7.net]

Conclusion
The Pentagon 'flyover theory' is the central premise of The PentaCon, despite the fact neither CIT nor any of its supporters has provided a detailed account of how the "magic trick" could have been accomplished. That theory isn't even remotely plausible when one considers the number of observers who would have had a clear view of the purported overflight, even if the maneuver were engineered to be as inconspicuous as possible. Given the topography of the Pentagon's immediate surroundings, with its vast parking lots, highways and access roads of at least six lanes on each of its sides, and highrise buildings starting 300 feet to the south, such an event would have been witnessed by hundreds at least, as an unmistakable sight of a commercial jetliner leaving a huge explosion, as if it had bombed the building. The thunderous sound of the explosion would have guaranteed that most of the people in a position to see the event would have turned their heads to see the explosion and the plane in close proximity. The same witnesses would have been riveted to the action as the plane departed from the scene, whether it made a spectacular banking turn to land at National Airport, or made an equally spectacular climb away from the Pentagon over the Potomac.

Had that happened, nothing could have silenced the hundreds of diverse witnesses who saw something so unmistakable and so utterly irreconcilable with the official story that the silver jetliner had hit the Pentagon. Had that happened, CIT would have more to work with than a few witnesses who recalled seeing the jetliner flying to the north instead of the south of the Citgo station.
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This thread will remain a long-term testament to the FAILURE of ZetaTalk on GLP!

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Clare's "flyover theory":

[link to 911research.wtc7.net]

Conclusion
The Pentagon 'flyover theory' is the central premise of The PentaCon, despite the fact neither CIT nor any of its supporters has provided a detailed account of how the "magic trick" could have been accomplished. That theory isn't even remotely plausible when one considers the number of observers who would have had a clear view of the purported overflight, even if the maneuver were engineered to be as inconspicuous as possible. Given the topography of the Pentagon's immediate surroundings, with its vast parking lots, highways and access roads of at least six lanes on each of its sides, and highrise buildings starting 300 feet to the south, such an event would have been witnessed by hundreds at least, as an unmistakable sight of a commercial jetliner leaving a huge explosion, as if it had bombed the building. The thunderous sound of the explosion would have guaranteed that most of the people in a position to see the event would have turned their heads to see the explosion and the plane in close proximity. The same witnesses would have been riveted to the action as the plane departed from the scene, whether it made a spectacular banking turn to land at National Airport, or made an equally spectacular climb away from the Pentagon over the Potomac.

Had that happened, nothing could have silenced the hundreds of diverse witnesses who saw something so unmistakable and so utterly irreconcilable with the official story that the silver jetliner had hit the Pentagon. Had that happened, CIT would have more to work with than a few witnesses who recalled seeing the jetliner flying to the north instead of the south of the Citgo station.
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It has also never been explained by the "flyover" believers why the conspiritors would have taken such a chance of being seen and exposed in broad daylight right next to six lane highways with backed up traffic jams and thousands of people watching...especially with everyone on the lookout after the news of the previous event in NYC that morning.
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Bottom line - PLAY FAIR AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
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So says "Bridget" who just a few pages back was caught red handed trolling with a sock puppet.
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What's the technical term for a sock puppet running a sock puppet, anyway?
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Could be that 'Brigette' is Max's stage name...
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To the Canadian who thought I might be "interested in those American subjects" and not a good citizen of my own country, as well as a person "stuck on the past when there are present ills" as though some of the present ills don't relate to the populace of the world's not having come to terms with the past yet ...

Have you noticed that Marin, the Ombudsman for Ontario, who has been doing such a good job that the Liberal gov't in Ontario wants him out -- but it's a Catch-22 for them, since if they fire him it shows bad on them and if they don't, they have to deal with his honesty -- has been slagged constantly in the Media lately (the Mendia -- the liers they can be, q.v. "mendacity") for having run a tough shop, where some people complained or quit (not a good thing of course, but not the issue of competence). He's also being slagged today in the Toronto Star for his "early 'mentor'" who gave immoral plum gifts to people while in office?

---- Now, I'm all for guilt illuminated by association: if the guilt is relevant to the person's own actions and the associations show the source of the person's own tendencies, that is detective work. But this is not what is going on. This is instead guilt by association only.

Also, the newest candidate put forward by the Conservatives for Governor General (itself a toady position relative to Britain), is the fellow who limited the scope of the inquiry into Mulroney?

Two conspiracies now, right in Canada, one of them linked to internationalism in the sick sense of globalist imperialist, corporatist economic/political fascism?

Lastly, I do not believe you replied when I exonerated myself and my reasons -- nationalism -- for supporting others' nationalism against classist infiltrators (broad conspiritorialism) and actual plotters (specific conspiracy).
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No, I know of that. But WHERE WERE THE REMAINS FROM?

Most of those investigators got the remains from others ...




And your source on that?

My guess is that you know nothing about this one way or the other and you're just winging it based only on your assumption that this can't be true.

It has to be false.
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Right... Like Nancy HAS to not know that the Moon orbits Earth, even though I have explained to you about 20 times that Nancy's claims regarding Lunar orbit not being explained adequately by Newton totally precludes that.

I assume you will have ignored my latest repeat of that info, so I'll post it AGAIN here.
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Jet fuel which Clare claims didn't exist:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

1. “The best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.”[645]

2. “Once we did get inside, we were able to see the destruction for ourselves. It was extensive on the interior because of the inertia of the fire and fuel once the jet entered beyond the outer ring. The skin of the building doesn’t tell you squat about the damage.”[646]

3. “Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned.”[647]

4. “Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing.”[648]

5. “Fires from the plane’s 20,000 gallons of fuel melted windows into pools of liquid glass.”[649]

6. “Now fires were burning closer as deposits of jet fuel ignited. “You could hear them lighting off,” Henson said. “They would go ‘poof,’ kind of like when you light a furnace. You could hear these getting closer.”[650]

7. “Will Jarvis… knows what aviation fuel smells like. That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon.”[651]

8. “The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel.”[652]

9. “The firemen were appreciative, as the heat inside the building generated from the 8,500 gallons of jet fuel was, in their words, ‘unbelievable.’ It was reported that at least three of the fireman had to be given IV fluids due to the extreme heat.”[653]

...............................................

Sure.
But all these people knew were BURNS. Look at it. The smeller of it could have smelled a small amount near the back. The point is, April Gallop was 40 feet away and smelled none. All people should have smelled it.

If there was any, it was possibly in cannisters, as it was in the Twin Towers.

Fire trucks didn't spray foam EXCEPT ON THE TRUCK AT FRONT. You would NEVER spray water at a jet fuel fire. They did. Funny, that.

Perhaps there was some somewhere in back for the effect.

10. “After the initial inferno was knocked down on Sept. 11, firefighters contended with flames and hot spots at the Pentagon, fed by jet fuel and mountains of rubble. ‘It’s just stubborn, very difficult to get to and very difficult to extinguish.’”[654]

11. “Then he smelled jet fuel and smoke. The putrid odor was seeping into the closet.” It was this odor that I can’t describe, but one that I’ll never forget, that’s for sure…”[655]

12. “I ran down the hallway and there was smoke everywhere. You could smell the jet fuel, it was unbearable.”[656]

13. “There was a hole in the building, and you could smell it in the air. It’s a beautiful day, but you can smell the burning concrete and burning jet fuel.”[657]

14. “As soon as Mr. Slater stepped outside, he saw and smelled something uncomfortably familiar. “I saw a mass of oily smoke and thought of the oil fields of Kuwait.”[658]

15. “His glasses remained on his face. They were smeared with something—unburned jet fuel, which Yates mistook for blood.”[659]
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I backed up everything I said.

Clare
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Right... by saying things like that Nancy doesn't know the Moon orbits Earth... but whoops! She most certainly DOES know that!

You back up everything you say by, er... backing up!
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Screwed up the formatting. Reposting.

Jet fuel which Clare claims didn't exist:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

1. “The best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.”[645]

2. “Once we did get inside, we were able to see the destruction for ourselves. It was extensive on the interior because of the inertia of the fire and fuel once the jet entered beyond the outer ring. The skin of the building doesn’t tell you squat about the damage.”[646]

3. “Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned.”[647]

4. “Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing.”[648]

5. “Fires from the plane’s 20,000 gallons of fuel melted windows into pools of liquid glass.”[649]

6. “Now fires were burning closer as deposits of jet fuel ignited. “You could hear them lighting off,” Henson said. “They would go ‘poof,’ kind of like when you light a furnace. You could hear these getting closer.”[650]

7. “Will Jarvis… knows what aviation fuel smells like. That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon.”[651]

8. “The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel.”[652]

9. “The firemen were appreciative, as the heat inside the building generated from the 8,500 gallons of jet fuel was, in their words, ‘unbelievable.’ It was reported that at least three of the fireman had to be given IV fluids due to the extreme heat.”[653]

10. “After the initial inferno was knocked down on Sept. 11, firefighters contended with flames and hot spots at the Pentagon, fed by jet fuel and mountains of rubble. ‘It’s just stubborn, very difficult to get to and very difficult to extinguish.’”[654]

11. “Then he smelled jet fuel and smoke. The putrid odor was seeping into the closet.” It was this odor that I can’t describe, but one that I’ll never forget, that’s for sure…”[655]

12. “I ran down the hallway and there was smoke everywhere. You could smell the jet fuel, it was unbearable.”[656]

13. “There was a hole in the building, and you could smell it in the air. It’s a beautiful day, but you can smell the burning concrete and burning jet fuel.”[657]

14. “As soon as Mr. Slater stepped outside, he saw and smelled something uncomfortably familiar. “I saw a mass of oily smoke and thought of the oil fields of Kuwait.”[658]

15. “His glasses remained on his face. They were smeared with something—unburned jet fuel, which Yates mistook for blood.”[659]
 Quoting: mclarek 986233 to Anonymous Coward 218281



Sure.
But all these people knew were BURNS. Look at it. The smeller of it could have smelled a small amount near the back. The point is, April Gallop was 40 feet away and smelled none. All people should have smelled it.

If there was any, it was possibly in cannisters, as it was in the Twin Towers.

Fire trucks didn't spray foam EXCEPT ON THE TRUCK AT FRONT. You would NEVER spray water at a jet fuel fire. They did. Funny, that.

Perhaps there was some somewhere in back for the effect.

The first reporter smelled nothing. There could not have been enough to make a big plane's worth. They hold massive amounts of it.
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I think the ONLY way any of this 9/11 debate can be settled in a reasonable and amicable fashion is for Clare to post a few pics of herself.

Then we can continue the discussion based not on the merits of the evidence, but by the relative hotness of the lone female participant.

Please consider this suggestion carefully.
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So? So what? So no planes. So why is that so hard? If you were gonna do a play, would you build the full MacBeth castle? No. Just a few scaffolds and backdrop for an impression.

Cheaper, easier, guaranteed overall impression ... if there's suspension of disbelief -- through the the tragedy of the play. You've suspended your disbelief about lies; unfortunately, they lied and you should see the Wizard behind the curtain.


Clare:

I want to make sure I understand you correctly. Are you saying NO planes hit the twin towers and NO plane hit the pentagon? Are you saying that ALL the witnesses who saw planes are lying or mistaken? Are you saying ALL the footage showing planes hitting the towers and flying low through the city are in some way fabricated?

There are three questions above and a simple yes or no will suffice for now, as I am simply trying to understand your position at this point.

Thanks
 Quoting: Setheory 869850

Yup.

All jet fuel anywhere was pyrotechnics. Possbly a missile was shot from the plane which went from the North (not South) in the key Citgo witness testimony. That would have had some fuel in it maybe.

All the videos are suspect -- for different reasons -- but the control of the signals that day, and the fact there are compositry absolute proofs in some of all the networks' programming, shows that even if there were planes, they were receiving pre-arranged (not pre-finished) video.

Shanksville is a laugh. Been over that one. Re. phone calls on board when in flight, they didn't complete from that altitude (the FBI even stated that re. Olsen, but then went silent on that). Those planes weren't equipped with air phones -- but a flight attendant could have "called" and if it was a drill they would have been calm, as stated by the reports.
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I think the ONLY way any of this 9/11 debate can be settled in a reasonable and amicable fashion is for Clare to post a few pics of herself.

Then we can continue the discussion based not on the merits of the evidence, but by the relative hotness of the lone female participant.

Please consider this suggestion carefully.
 Quoting: Returner 997

Funny.

But nice to meet a hot-blooded male. If only you'd been nicer. :(
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I think the ONLY way any of this 9/11 debate can be settled in a reasonable and amicable fashion is for Clare to post a few pics of herself.

Then we can continue the discussion based not on the merits of the evidence, but by the relative hotness of the lone female participant.

Please consider this suggestion carefully.

Funny.

But nice to meet a hot-blooded male. If only you'd been nicer. :(
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


I am nice! Okay. Not really. Dogs like me, though.

I think I'll be on your side for while, though. Just to prove I'm not all bad. Now, what exactly is it I believe about 9/11? No planes, check, but who was behind the whole thing, and to what ends?
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Jet fuel which Clare claims didn't exist:

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

1. “The best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.”[645]

2. “Once we did get inside, we were able to see the destruction for ourselves. It was extensive on the interior because of the inertia of the fire and fuel once the jet entered beyond the outer ring. The skin of the building doesn’t tell you squat about the damage.”[646]

3. “Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned.”[647]

4. “Buried in debris and covered with airplane fuel, he was briefly listed by authorities as missing.”[648]

5. “Fires from the plane’s 20,000 gallons of fuel melted windows into pools of liquid glass.”[649]

6. “Now fires were burning closer as deposits of jet fuel ignited. “You could hear them lighting off,” Henson said. “They would go ‘poof,’ kind of like when you light a furnace. You could hear these getting closer.”[650]

7. “Will Jarvis… knows what aviation fuel smells like. That smell was his only clue that a plane had crashed into the Pentagon.”[651]

8. “The first thing you smell is the burning. And then you can smell the aviation fuel.”[652]

9. “The firemen were appreciative, as the heat inside the building generated from the 8,500 gallons of jet fuel was, in their words, ‘unbelievable.’ It was reported that at least three of the fireman had to be given IV fluids due to the extreme heat.”[653]

10. “After the initial inferno was knocked down on Sept. 11, firefighters contended with flames and hot spots at the Pentagon, fed by jet fuel and mountains of rubble. ‘It’s just stubborn, very difficult to get to and very difficult to extinguish.’”[654]

11. “Then he smelled jet fuel and smoke. The putrid odor was seeping into the closet.” It was this odor that I can’t describe, but one that I’ll never forget, that’s for sure…”[655]

12. “I ran down the hallway and there was smoke everywhere. You could smell the jet fuel, it was unbearable.”[656]

13. “There was a hole in the building, and you could smell it in the air. It’s a beautiful day, but you can smell the burning concrete and burning jet fuel.”[657]

14. “As soon as Mr. Slater stepped outside, he saw and smelled something uncomfortably familiar. “I saw a mass of oily smoke and thought of the oil fields of Kuwait.”[658]

15. “His glasses remained on his face. They were smeared with something—unburned jet fuel, which Yates mistook for blood.”[659]


Sure.
But all these people knew were BURNS. Look at it.
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Wrong. Did you even read the post?

1. “The best, cutting edge burn doctor in the U.S. The doctor told him that had he not gone to Georgetown first, he probably would not have survived because of the jet fuel in his lungs.”[645]

3. “Jet fuel was on him and it irritated his eyes, but he didn't get burned.”[647]

6. “Now fires were burning closer as deposits of jet fuel ignited. “You could hear them lighting off,” Henson said. “They would go ‘poof,’ kind of like when you light a furnace. You could hear these getting closer.”[650]

15. “His glasses remained on his face. They were smeared with something—unburned jet fuel, which Yates mistook for blood.”[659]
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Do you know what metal which has been tortured, ground-up, burned and mangled to within an inch of its life SMELLS like, Clare? It's one of the things those of us who have experience in the real, mechanical world of machinery and manufacturing know about, Clare. It's a man thing.


I didn't get your joke here, Menow. To me what you're saying IS a sexist remark. Because what you're saying is that MEN know about mechanical stuff while WOMEN don't. In reality smelling, knowing or experiencing have nothing to do with genitals.

And this wasn't your first sexist remark either. On page 573 you replied to Clare this way:


Clare, you are an embarrassment to your gender.


That's something only directed at women. Men don't need to hear that sort of stuff; men are not shamed because of their gender.
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What? How does that imply that women are, or should be, ashamed because of their gender? It actually says the opposite!


By the way... how many women do you know who have the experience of the average man in terms of construction and machinery, auto mechanics, etc, etc, etc? It's not that women CAN'T do that sort of thing, it's that they DON'T, for the most part. You can imagine it to be otherwise if you wish.
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What does the # of pages do for you? Give you a thrill?

Most of it's just nasty posts.

It gives ZetaMax the dooldrums. He claimed that we would never
get this many pages.


I am content knowing that the horse named TLR hung himself with his own rope. Debunker self-destruction is truly a "thrill" to witness.


BTW, what happened to TLR? I missed something.


This is "purely" speculation on my part Merely speculation ...

Bottom line - PLAY FAIR AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***

Momentary suspension of the 'maxie' boycot.

Fuck you.

Resumption of boycot.
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Yup.

All jet fuel anywhere was pyrotechnics. Possbly a missile was shot from the plane which went from the North (not South) in the key Citgo witness testimony. That would have had some fuel in it maybe.

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Did you even read the HUNDREDS of eyewitness testamonies who all stated that the plane came from the SOUTH side of the Citgo station? And do you have names for those "key Citgo witnesses" of yours so I can find their ENTIRE statements?
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There are three questions above and a simple yes or no will suffice for now, as I am simply trying to understand your position at this point.

Thanks
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I should also say, when you say "all those witnesses" there are not enough witnesses at the locations on record to account for the events; but at the Pentagon anyway, they SAW A PLANE. It's just the pyrotechnics fooled the witnesses. They saw a plane, they saw a blast. They remembered (reasonably, without knowing better) a hit.

They also could not have seen the lampposts being destroyed: the plane would have careened. The lampposts were planted -- UN-planted, with their whole base out! -- and one was perfectly centred clean through a cab. Not crushing anything, a whole lamppost perfectly through the cab. It didn't even mar the seats.

:)

The plane came from the wrong direction from the only clear-view witnesses (point of view, stable reference) and there were 5 who saw that at the Citgo. The others saw something but they had no vantage point worth mentioning, plus of those others some were lying ("faces in the windows").

The black box data did show a more southerly trajectory, but a) it cuts off before "impact" -- how convenient?!! -- and b) how unusual and c) this could have been another plane. The Citgo witnesses saw the plane from their left over Arlington. That's pretty clear and concise.

Another plane could have gone by later, from the south.
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Yup.

All jet fuel anywhere was pyrotechnics. Possbly a missile was shot from the plane which went from the North (not South) in the key Citgo witness testimony. That would have had some fuel in it maybe.



Did you even read the HUNDREDS of eyewitness testamonies who all stated that the plane came from the SOUTH side of the Citgo station? And do you have names for those "key Citgo witnesses" of yours so I can find their ENTIRE statements?
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Go to Citizens Investigation Team. Scroogle (or Google) it. There are some hours of video depositions.

As to the just over 100 for the Pentagon, and same for NYC, and very few for Shanksville, they do NOT all concur and were not carefully asked specific direction questions mostly, nor had a clear front view vantage point.

Citgo people did.
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Yup.

All jet fuel anywhere was pyrotechnics. Possbly a missile was shot from the plane which went from the North (not South) in the key Citgo witness testimony. That would have had some fuel in it maybe.



Did you even read the HUNDREDS of eyewitness testamonies who all stated that the plane came from the SOUTH side of the Citgo station? And do you have names for those "key Citgo witnesses" of yours so I can find their ENTIRE statements?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 218281


[link to arabesque911.blogspot.com]

Eyewitness accounts of the flight path:

1. “I noticed a large aircraft flying low towards the White House. This aircraft then made a sharp turn and flew towards the Pentagon.”[1]

2. “We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said, referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away. The plane was a two-engine turbo prop that flew up the river from National. Then it turned back toward the Pentagon.”[2]

3. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As we were driving into town on 395, there was an exit. We were trying to get off of the exit for the Memorial Bridge. On the left-hand side, there was a commercial plane coming in, and was coming in too fast and the[n?] too low, and the next thing we saw was [it?] go-down below the side of the road… coming down towards the side of the—of 395. And when it came down, it just missed 395 and went down below us”[3]

4. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395… we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon.[4]

5. “The jet came in from the south”[5]

6. “At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards… in front of me”[6]

7. “I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area,” he said. “I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low—at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down… the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon.”[7]

8. “which had come up the river in back of our building, turned sharply over the Capitol, ran past the White House and the Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, then dropped to treetop level and ran down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon.”[8]

9. “He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off.”[9]

10. “coming straight at us from over the road (Columbia Pike) that runs perpendicular to the road I was on. The plane just appeared there—very low in the air, to the side of (and not much above) the CITGO gas station… then it banked in the slightest turn in front of me, toward the heliport.”[10]

11. “seemed to come directly over the annex, as if it had been following Columbia Pike—an Arlington road leading to Pentagon.”[11]

12. “The plane came up I-395 also known as Shirley Hwy. (most likely used as a reference point.) The plane had been seen making a lazy pattern in the no fly zone over the White House and US Cap… the aircraft went southwest near Springfield and then veered left over Arlington and then put the nose down coming over Ft Myer.”[12]

13. “They saw the plane hovering over the Washington Mall Area at an altitude lower that the height of the Washington Monument.”[13]

14. “At the BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex. Having just reached the elevator in the 5th wing of BMDO Federal Office Building (FOB) #2. He heard “an increasingly loud rumbling” One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view… The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB)… Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon.”[14]

15. “A silver, twin-engine American airlines jetliner gliding almost noiselessly over the Navy Annex.”[15]

16. “I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd… and from my left side…I saw a silver plane… It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading.”[16]

17. “A commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery.”[17]

18. “It actually came up I-395 and it went over the rise and came in front of a bridge in which I was sitting [in traffic].”[18]

19. “[It] approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.”[19]

20. “at that point it went down because I was approaching a hill. And at that point it went straight down over the hill.”[20]

21. “Personnel working in the Navy Annex, over which the airliner flew… saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy Annex.”[21]

22. “A plane flew over my house,” (one mile away from the Pentagon). “It was loud, but not unusual because the [Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport] is by my house, on the other side of the Pentagon.”[22]

23. “flying low over the tree tops near Seminary Rd. in Springfield, VA.”[23]

24. “I had just passed the Pentagon and was near the Macy’s store in Crystal City when I noticed a plane making a sharp turn from north of the Pentagon. I had to look back at the road and then back to the plane as it sort of leveled off.”[24]

25. “He left Bolling Air Force Base, D.C., for a meeting at the Pentagon, only to be told it was cancelled. Walking back to his motorcycle he saw a commercial airliner coming from the direction of Henderson Hall the Marine Corps headquarters. It “flew above a nearby hotel.”[25]

26. “About 10 minutes ago, there was a white jet circling overhead. Now, you generally don't see planes in the area over the White House. That is restricted air space. No reason to believe that this jet was there for any nefarious purposes, but the Secret Service was very concerned, pointing up at the jet in the sky.”[26]

27. “I was right underneath the plane, said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395.”[27]

28. “I did see, myself a plane, about half hour ago, circling over the Capitol.”[28]

29. “Personnel working in the Navy Annex, over which the airliner flew, said they heard the distinct whine of jet engines as the airliner approached... I saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy Annex.”[29]

30. “Time seemed to slip into slow motion as he watched the plane cross over Route 395, tip its left wing as it passed the Navy annex, veer sharply and then slice into the Pentagon.”[30]

31. “A white 737 twin-engine plane with multicolored trim fly 50 feet over I-395 in a straight line.”[31]

32. “You could just see him descend and just keep descending lower and lower, until he was almost on top of Route 27 that runs alongside the Pentagon.”[32]

33. “I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel.”[33]

34. “The plane took “a flight path straight up 395.”[34]

35. “There wasn’t anything in the air, except for one airplane, and it looked like it was loitering over Georgetown, in a high, left-hand bank… Georgetown is a sector of the District of Columbia… A few minutes later, Vaughn witnessed the craft’s impact.”

36. “I looked up and saw the underbelly of the jet as it gracefully banked, then I watched in shock as the jet basically lined up the Pentagon in its sights and began to scream towards the mammoth structure.”[35]

37. “I saw a jumbo tail go by me along Route 395. It was like the rear end of the fuselage was riding on 395. I just saw the tail go whoosh right past me.”[36]

38. “I watched it come in very low over the trees and it just dipped down and came down right over 395 right into the Pentagon.”[37]

39. “I was so scared I thought it was coming after me and just ducked for cover… It was going so fast and it was so low,” he said, standing on Army-Navy Drive.”[38]

40. “It was an airliner coming straight up Columbia Pike”[39]

41. “Headed eastbound over the Pike, possibly toward the Pentagon.”[40]

42. “The plane flew very low over his car and hit the building and blew his windows out of the vehicle and he’s on interstate 395.”[41]
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Momentary suspension of the 'maxie' boycot.

Fuck you.

Resumption of boycot.
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That's really funny, Menow -- I mean, it's mean, but it's got a kind of humour timing to the expression of the thought.

By the way, it's "boycott". I can tell you didn't make a typo because you did it twice; just letting you know.
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They also could not have seen the lampposts being destroyed: the plane would have careened. The lampposts were planted -- UN-planted, with their whole base out! -- and one was perfectly centred clean through a cab. Not crushing anything, a whole lamppost perfectly through the cab. It didn't even mar the seats.
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1) Where is your reference for this?

2) Why would anyone "plant" a faked pole like that?
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Momentary suspension of the 'maxie' boycot.

Fuck you.

Resumption of boycot.

That's really funny, Menow -- I mean, it's mean, but it's got a kind of humour timing to the expression of the thought.

By the way, it's "boycott". I can tell you didn't make a typo because you did it twice; just letting you know.
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What a pleasure to have my spelling corrected by someone who has overlooked multiple repeates of far more important bits.
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Clare, a few friendly questions:

1) Who orchestrated the events of 9/11, if not the 'accepted' culprits (i.e., Al Queda)?

2) Which, if any, US government bodies were actively involved in the 9/11 fakery?

3) If you were to be photographed in a 'little black dress,' what would this photo look like if uploaded to a free image hosting site (i.e., Photobucket) and linked to a post in this thread?
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They also could not have seen the lampposts being destroyed: the plane would have careened. The lampposts were planted -- UN-planted, with their whole base out! -- and one was perfectly centred clean through a cab. Not crushing anything, a whole lamppost perfectly through the cab. It didn't even mar the seats.
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Actually, I believe the pole pierced the rear seat of that cab. Clare likes to recite her 'facts' in a very convenient way.
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snipped only for brevity. see their post for the witness statements under discussion
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Most of these witnesses saw something FROM THE WEST, but that does not mean it came from the SOUTH of the Pentagon.

Some said "over the trees": which trees?

Others might have seen a second plane or be lying.

Note the guys near Arlington saying it came over that.

Besides, the Citgo witnesses were standing and had to look out from under the gas ceiling canopy thing -- open roof. Which side they looked to would be obvious to them, easily rememberable, and not only the best vantage point relative to deciding south or north, but also stationary.

These witnesses you bring up either support what the Citgo witnesses said or are inconclusive ... though a few were lying or there was a second flyby. Straight up Columbia pike. Yah, let's get them on the stand.

We have five clear, best-circumstance and contrary-to-tendency witnesses saying along the North -- over Arlington. One is now not speaking; he obviously didn't realize his clear testimony contradicted the official story.
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The impossiblity of the "flyover" scenario...

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