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George B

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This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.


Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Now, Clare, with all of this eyewitness testamony, are you STILL claiming the there was no plane?
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Whoah. That's a lot of eyewitnesses, "mclarek"...
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See, it's these logistical-issues which, in the end, decimate your 9/11-"Truth"-theories. You can't account for them. Just like you can't account for the missing passengers.

And then you have the balls to clalm it doesn't matter.

Right now I'm wondering if, by the time I'm caught up in this thread, you've had the decency to address, concretely, the dilemma of these missing passengers. I'm gonna guess- no. But we'll see.

 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.


It doesn't require much thought or research to realize that the "no plane" theory would require the complicity or active involvement of at least thousands, probably tens of thousands of people in some glaringly nefarious activity.

This would include an enormous number of people throughout the media, civilian responders from multiple agencies and many relatively low level government employees and military personnel. Just for starters. Plus all the significant others that would have been confided in.

The assumption that all these American would have kept quiet about such frankly evil activity for all these years is beyond ridiculous

It's insulting.
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Are you really this stupid? This thread is the last refuge of the lonely deflunkers and their stupid arguments. Truly fitting, I might add!
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You mean stupid arguments such as: The world will not be destroyed by PX in 2003?

After all, that's the argument that directly leads to the eventual creation of this thread...
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What does the # of pages do for you? Give you a thrill?

Most of it's just nasty posts.

It gives ZetaMax the dooldrums. He claimed that we would never
get this many pages.


I am content knowing that the horse named TLR hung himself with his own rope. Debunker self-destruction is truly a "thrill" to witness.


BTW, what happened to TLR? I missed something.


This is "purely" speculation on my part - but just recently the viewcount on this thread was SUBSTANTIALLY reduced by SHR - who reported that he suspected a script or utility was being used to increase the count. He said (to the effect) that this was equivalent to and in fact WAS a denial-of-service attack, even if the instigator had an inferior goal and didn't appreciate that this was in fact the "effect" of his (assuming a "he") "activities".

When Circuit Breaker decried the rather substantial reduction of the count, SHR countered that he should be THANKFUL the entire thread was not DELETED - an action he SERIOUSLY considered, but decided to back away from.

Ironically, TLR has NOT been seen since that incident, and more telling is the fact that a LOT of the "pet" smilies he used are no longer available. Like this one:

:excited:

Which was his famous "dancing man".

So I "suspect" that his account was deleted, and he is currently banned from GLP.

But I not saying at all that this is the case.

Merely speculation ...

Bottom line - PLAY FAIR AND FOLLOW THE RULES.




Good for SHR!!

The Lone Stranger (now) will only be missed by the morons and selfish twerps that actually like his smilies. He's a cancer at GLP and will NOT be missed by many.

And, it is truly fitting that Circuit Breaker was crying in his corn flakes ... what a flake indeed!

Dr Postspam ... grow up already!


Indeed my friend!

FUNNY how close this widely derided prediction came to being totally TRUE!!!

nerofail


How come I've never seen either of you two posting in a single other thread besides this one? Ever?

And you have the balls to claim someone else is a "cancer" to this site...
 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.



Why do you think both of the zetatards have been subject to boycott?
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So what is it chemtrails are supposed to do?

And where is Clare? I haven't had my fix of relational predisposed superpositional interstitial grass-roots homiligook today. I mean damn, did we run off the only chick in the room?


I'm mildly worried I might have "short-circuited" her with that long-ass post of mine yesterday.

Hope not. Didn't mean to "damage" anybody. :)

Anybody know how old she's purported to be? Like, I didn't just viciously engage somebody's grandmother yesterday, did I...?




No, you don't need to fret over this. Considering what she's put us through, you were kind. Her atrocious grammar, ridiculous mingling of words and endless comma splicing is just not readable after awhile. Though she considers it simply "creative writing", I can't read her posts anymore. They are increasing the pain in my already painful headaches. I was finally able to pinpoint the cause, BTW: a sinus infection. I was beginning to think I had some sort of new brain condition going on, maybe a clarebolism, and I even had a CT scan of my brain done a couple of weeks ago. That's one thing I love about the DR, the CT scan only cost about a hundred dollars.

Never spray water on a jet fuel fire? Funny, I could only find 911 people saying this. The firefighting pages I looked on said they even use jet fuel in training and sometimes they even separate the fuel from the water when they are done. I'm not going to ask Clare to show me where firefighters don't spray water on jet fuel because she doesn't answer hardly any questions. And come on - missiles, witness disposal? Just the fact that people can't keep their mouths shut is enough to show that you can't just make a whole slew of people disappear, whether it is willingly (paid off) or unwillingly. Yeah, I see a few problems with the official version. But that doesn't mean it's automatically the kooky version, instead! It's not the only other option!

I can relate to the "embarrassment to your gender" comment. I see a show like The View and I just crawl with embarrassment for women everywhere. Those dippy dips sit there trying to appear all smart and "with it" and they gab on for an hour without really saying anything. It's how I came to understand the phrase "hen party". Then I find this site and a new, apt term arises: attention whore. That's all they are on The View. When I traveled long distance to stay with a friend, she insisted on subjecting me to the torture of this show every morning. I can assure you it is quite painful to watch.

One more thing. . . after reading over and over about the people who didn't smell jet fuel. . . I don't really think this fits in anywhere in the arguments, but it shows that strange things happen around accidents. One day I was approaching an intersection to turn left. The car that was waiting at the stop sign where I was going to turn had just stopped. It was an old man. I clearly saw him stop and look to the left, then slowly turn his head to the right and look again. Then instead of the standard "look back to the left again", he just went forward to cross the intersection and he drove right into the path of a small pickup truck going approximately 40 mph coming at me. I was pretty close and slowing down to turn left when the pickup slammed into the driver's side of the old Cadillac the elderly black man and his wife were in.

I was actually the first person to run over and see if everyone was okay, which they were. The ambulance and police were there in no time and I gave a statement. But what was so strange was that I kind of felt the "shock wave" or whatever you'd call it, since it was such a hard hit and it was so close to me. And for the next hour, I had the distinct taste of metal in my mouth. It began as soon as the "shock" happened, a weird feeling in my mouth accompanied by the taste of metal. Very strange. I can't explain it. I was sitting in my car with windows up and AC running when it happened.

Just some bs to show there's still another chick on the thread and that she can actually spout some grammar that's easy on the eyes.


okay, quiz time!



african

a) first lady
b) person burned by jet fuel
c) Michael Jackson before his surgeries


fisher

a) Mr. T in church
b) 911 underground witness
c) Skinny Pete


beat_brick

a) what my headache feels like
b) what really happened to the 911 plane passengers
c) what the execs at BP deserve


beated

a) oral herpes gone awry
b) 911 survivor
c) what I would be willing to endure just to not to have to watch The View again


burn_joss_

a) family guy
b) burning the candle at both ends
c) what the hell is this, anyway????


extreme_se

a) clarebolism
b) witness to what really happened at 911
c) Ralphie on Christmas day
 Quoting: Catseye 991309


Ha...."clarebolism".... Ha... HA!!!!!

Excellent. Made me laugh the first time you mentioned it- then made me laugh again when it made a repeat appearance in the quiz.

And WHAT a quiz, by the way.

Chicks with good grammar who have no patience for The View. *sigh* If only some chicks could be cloned...
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BTW, I've seen some people claim that a 757 could not fly
at that low a level and the pilot still maintain proper
control (not sure if that one has been brought up yet here).
That simply isn't true - witness:




Plus you get the bonus of a beautiful DC-3 gracefully floating
by at the end. Gawd I love that bird. It's the finest aircraft
ever built and when it turns 100 years old in three decades
I bet you will still find a lot of them flying.
 Quoting: DrPostman



When I worked in the aerospace industry in Seattle for a large aerospace to remain unnamed because I may want to work for them again someday, it was not at all uncommon to see the test pilots play games like that at Boeing Field. Quite the airshow!

Saw a turbine DC-3 conversion the last trip to Mojave, you know, the old girl looks good with turbines! Finest aircraft of its type ever made, or for my money, that ever will be made!
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NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

 Quoting: George B



It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.
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By the way, "mclarek", around page 599 or 598 I surgically-dissected a rather long post of yours.

I raised a number of issues. A few of them, surreptitiously, you've subsequently made comments on while responding to other people's posts. But not all.

Still waiting for you to at least post a coherent THEORY of what happened to all of these wayward passengers.

And about these phone calls from United 93, it wasn't just one guy going, "Let's roll!!!!" It was...many passengers. By this point the other 3 planes had hit their targets. Passengers were talking to their friends/relatives on the ground who were telling them what was on the news.

This is why they revolted. They knew they didn't really have any other choice.

But anyway...how do you account for those phone calls? Off the top of my head I can't remember how many people called home, but I know it was more than one flight attendant and at least half-a-dozen passengers.

And I'm sure the final tally is more than that.

So, were these just "made up" stories the media fed the public? Thereby implicating the passengers' family members as being "in on it", also?

And how would you define "the media", by the way? Just curious, what's your personal experience with "the media"? Have you ever worked for a newspaper or a television network/station? How about ever closely known anyone who has?

And how specifically did the "government" coerce civillian journalists to go along with the "greatest crime in history"? And why have none of them come forward? No death-bed confessions. Nothing on Wikileaks. Nothing.

I mean, if ANYONE would know how to get a message covertly out to "the people" it would be someone who worked in the media...
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For you guys:

[link to nomoregames.net]

Passengers:

[link to www.youtube.com]

and [link to nomoregames.net]

[link to www.wingtv.net]

[link to nomoregames.net]

[link to nomoregames.net]
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And re. the vids:


[link to www.youtube.com]

Sound timing:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Re. the shots availability (4 parts: watch them all for the whole argument -- not that all of it is correct, but much is): [link to www.youtube.com]

Very best: [link to www.youtube.com] in 12 parts, plus B-

THE PARALLAX ISSUES ARE HERE but they go by fairly quickly in his haste, so pause to truly understand: [link to www.youtube.com]

Re. the amateur vids (in 4 parts) -- watch all -- but note there are some minor errors of specific analysis which have now been clarified about the "windshield" in one of the "amateur" vids ... and you see what it really was in the rvised version of this, not the original: [link to www.youtube.com]

Re. Edna Cintron: [link to www.youtube.com]


International problems: [link to www.youtube.com]

What they've done to cover their tracks in the archives now (in 2 parts): [link to www.youtube.com]

Jeff Hill did a number of conversations with the "amateur" video makers. I am not sure if they're still up.

And there were also other studies of the Hezarkhani skyline which show it's from NO real angle, but again was a composite. Anyway, there is enough here to be conclusive, though there are some inconclusive parts.

Ciao.
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Still waiting for you to at least post a coherent THEORY of what happened to all of these wayward passengers.

 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.


One of the countless ridiculous suggestions she's made is that many of the Social Security numbers of the passengers are still active.

Implying that crash victims are still living and working somewhere UNDER THEIR REAL NAMES.

That people of widely different backgrounds for some reason voluntarily walked away from their lives leaving their loved ones to believe they were dead and are off somewhere else using their same Social Security number.

And that no one has broken ranks or been detected all these years.
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For you guys:
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


[link to sites.google.com]

It is likely that hundreds of people directly saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Dozens were interviewed by numerous news outlets: Witness List 1 – List 2 – List 3 – List 4 – List 5 – More

Pentagon witness spreadsheet (Excel file)

Many witnesses were in their cars, in a traffic jam directly in front of the Pentagon. Most of those people drove away and were not interviewed. Below is a summary of the accounts quoted in the lists and spreadsheet summary above. These are mostly accounts that appeared in mainstream media reports. Many more people probably witnessed the attack.

From the lists above, 136 people saw the plane approach the Pentagon, and

104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.

26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.

39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.

2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.

7 said it was a Boeing 757.

8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.

2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.

4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.

10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.

42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.

2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.

15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.

3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.

3 took photographs of the aftermath.

Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."

And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.

0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.
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CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK
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By the way, "mclarek", around page 599 or 598 I surgically-dissected a rather long post of yours.

I raised a number of issues. A few of them, surreptitiously, you've subsequently made comments on while responding to other people's posts. But not all.

[...]
"greatest crime in history"? And why have none of them come forward? No death-bed confessions. Nothing on Wikileaks. Nothing.

I mean, if ANYONE would know how to get a message covertly out to "the people" it would be someone who worked in the media...
 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.

Hi ... I meant to get back to you but the contents you're looking for are mostly in other posts. The 2 most recent I did have lots on the passengers and phone calls and you can go from there.

Some people think only 1 or 2 were actually killed; but there was the DNA so why their SSNs are still valid, I dunno.

As to "the media" most were cowed within hours not to speak of what their impressions were -- because people feel they may have missed something, in thinking there was no plane. A lot of on-the-spot reporters early on said they didn't see or hear anything and maybe heard a missile ... but then retracted. This stuff is in the vids I just posted.

Most people believe what they see on TV even the people in it -- in fact, many would assume no-one where they work would be faking entire news on something so important.

Bits are leaking, but it's been really citizens who've put this work together -- so much so that the main media archives of the official broadcasts have now been re-worked after the fact. See "Foxed Out", "Chopped Out" and September Clues parts B-F for that stuff.

Whatever else, there was fakery. And probably missiles actually did the fly-into the Pentagon and WTC, if anything did. Nothing at Shanksville, but possibly the passengers were blown up near there (that one has some suggestions of a fighter jet taking something out, over the water, or near it).

There were lots of aircraft in the air, you'll discover if you listen closely, and some was white (the Doomsday craft?), some were fighters, etc., some choppers, all of which were told to land. But only hints left, here and there, in the vids, and in comments by people on the streets of NYC very early on. Little bits are there in the evidence about these things, but they're artifacts -- things which weren't "talked over" by the talking heads, or weren't cut out, and things which crept into the composite images unnoticed at the time.

Hope that helps.

xo (no offense: I mean that as a nice "sorry that I didn't do a blow-by-blow reply"). There is SOOO much to type you'll have to go through some of the vids and/or the papers. But remember I am not claiming ALL of everyone's stuff is perfect; also, some pieces of evidence also don't seem clear until other people's stuff is also considered ...

I didn't come to my knowledge and conviction about the broad outlines of this without careful consideration and separation of all the bits. But some of it is diabolically funny and does become clear right away, if you are not prejudiced to refuse to believe there were some things crashing in some places, but not planes anywhere.

Oh, by the way: even as I "got" it, I still thought maybe something would disprove the necessity of what I was learning. Pieces fell but not the overall hypothesis, which strengthened. THEN I said, okay, I have not only "gotten" it, but I have conviction about it, in broad outline anyway.
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CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 815642

You're the chicken not to face it.

Or do you not know English?

:)
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For you guys:


[link to sites.google.com]
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0 assumed that the flying thing with wings could BE a missile. They definitely saw a flying thing.

The rest of the evidence indicates it was a missile.

Duh.

But if you want to go with tiny military aircraft, you'd at least be 1/2 there. Why don't you go with that. Then at least you'd be off the ridiculous Boeing thing.
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Great section on the Passengers on

[link to nomoregames.net]
P. 50 forward. Speculation on what it may have been, but pretty good on WTC witnesses.

There's more on some of the vids I already linked to.

Then there's excellent Pentagon witness analysis at [link to www.combatreform.org] thought he guy is also into other things, as was your favourite, Newton the K00K.

:)

I have given enough for you to have fun.

Here's an interview from the past: [link to www.checktheevidence.co.uk]

But there are many other interviews on the Real Deal now, from 2009 and 2010. Different interviews are on different specifics; some are more pleasant to listen to or less; some people have problems with the other people's work on some aspect, but overall it's clear.

[link to radiofetzer.blogspot.com]
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Great section on the Passengers on

[link to nomoregames.net]
P. 50 forward. Speculation on what it may have been, but pretty good on WTC witnesses.

 Quoting: mclarek 986233


From that link:

What happened to the passengers allegedly aboard Flights 11 and 175? To paraphrase author Jim Marrs, “I did not plan 9/11 so I do not know.” We will never know everything about such a complex crime as 9/11.

You guys have nothing. You don't attempt to explain what happened to the passengers because there is no possible explanation that would stand up to even the slightest rational scrutiny.

Total bullshit.
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CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK

You're the chicken not to face it.

Or do you not know English?

:)
 Quoting: mclarek 986233



I would say he knows more English than you do astrodynamics, aeronautics, basic airmanship, logical thinking or rational argument.

But you are a fun chew toy, clunker.
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Note, re. passengers:

some very interesting work is being done on if only some or none of them had REAL families.

Part 1 of 2 (I think): [link to www.youtube.com]

And some also very good work on face morphing to boost the total numbers of dead on 9/11 is interesting and quite convincing -- one guy's face as obviously been pasted onto an old fat man's neck/body and it is the same face he had in another photo -- while others were better done, but not by much:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Here are a series of almost the 9/11 same photo of a person -- again and again -- weird:

[link to www.youtube.com]

I had never run across this line before. But it's true that the planes' victims were mostly still active ids ... and who knows whose DNA were being tested.

Gets wild but the photos are clearly very odd: 4 policemen with similar faces, 2 firemen, 2 firemen, 2 firemen, and on it goes.

We do know that about half of the victims at NYC were never found. Maybe some were computer identities with paid families and fundraisers?

Things in modern intelligence and modern computer life DO get weird sometimes. I think for a war, they'd do anything, and make sure they didn't have too many people in the buildings in NYC (warnings went out to many).

Anyway, enjoy the morph! They wanted us at war, and by golly, they got it. So it's possible they boosted the lists and created passengers (except some, maybe, who were real patsies).

Hm.

Sad, if true, that we know lots of lies are possible on computers and through photo fakery, and still won't believe when it's done to us. I think this is interesting. Macabre but very clever, if so.
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CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK

You're the chicken not to face it.

Or do you not know English?

:)



I would say he knows more English than you do astrodynamics, aeronautics, basic airmanship, logical thinking or rational argument.

But you are a fun chew toy, clunker.
 Quoting: The Commentator

You are so dumb that you only repeat yourself. BO-ring. LOLOL! Join your friend above and have stimulating times believing the world is flat(ly "normal"). I have news for you: the world involves a lot of politically weird and crappy stuff too.
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You are so dumb that you only repeat yourself. BO-ring. LOLOL! Join your friend above and have stimulating times believing the world is flat(ly "normal"). I have news for you: the world involves a lot of politically weird and crappy stuff too.
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pot---> kettle
kettle---->pot

I have no doubt that a lot of weird and crappy stuff happens in the world- but what you are promoting isn't weird or crappy (well...it IS crappy so I will give you that one)
Your viewpoint on the world must (imho) involve a lot of illegal drugs, a lack of legal drugs or a shitload of booze

or a major lack of intelligence- or all of the above (I vote the last btw)

and as for calling others dumb...


project much clunk?
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06/04/2010 04:56 AM
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Note, re. passengers:

some very interesting work is being done on if only some or none of them had REAL families.

Part 1 of 2 (I think): [link to www.youtube.com]

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This vid starts off saying we know the planes were fake, because this person is assuming you are familiar with the video fakery already ...

but then it gets really interesting! It turns out USAT used neighbours, etc., to confirm identities for ALL the passengers they listed, instead of the FBI or Airlines ...

EVEN the supposed co-pilot of one of the planes was "confirmed by a member of his church as being the co-pilot".

It gets odder.

Hm!
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06/04/2010 05:07 AM
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A side thought:

You guys might be reeling from thinking there were no planes, but only missiles or nothing.

But really, guys, though the perps could have done everything right and made really good impressions, like a really fancy plot, they botched a lot.

So, I just keep looking at the perfidy. I don't know all the details, but I know some. And I am moved by the level of condescending and callous evil involved in some of the planning levels.

That is the most important thing here. So if you face that, and are at least looking at the levels of fakery they may have gone to -- which is not really hard fakery, actually, and was pretty sloppy, just as with JFK's death --

then at least you get the motivation out of it which is important. That we are really not living in events we think we are, and basing our actions and politics on the right things.

This is a corrective on false history. Hooray! Good luck with your searches. It's been ugly for me, as I looked deeper into it all. <sigh> But hey! The G20 martial law is coming to my city this summer. And a year ago I thought such language was over the top -- then I learned about Seattle, Pittsburgh, Ottawa, London and all THOSE G-crap meeting provocateurs, etc.

So. Onward.
mclarek
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06/04/2010 05:11 AM
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Still waiting for you to at least post a coherent THEORY of what happened to all of these wayward passengers.



One of the countless ridiculous suggestions she's made is that many of the Social Security numbers of the passengers are still active.

Implying that crash victims are still living and working somewhere UNDER THEIR REAL NAMES.

That people of widely different backgrounds for some reason voluntarily walked away from their lives leaving their loved ones to believe they were dead and are off somewhere else using their same Social Security number.

And that no one has broken ranks or been detected all these years.
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See below. I just found evidence that the photos are pasted and slightly morphed to be identities over time, but in the same angle, or over several different people! Hm. ... Some of them anyway.

Interesting. Check it out -- they did want war REALLY badly. And we see this stuff easy in movies all the time. They could do it.

Pay off a few people to "have a relative" named whatever. There are plenty who would do it for a thrill and the money. Sadly. I even know people like that; a kind of mean selfishness without being grossed out: you know, they'll watch certain kinds of shows and never realy think something is immoral -- just titillatingly gross, or whatever.
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06/04/2010 05:31 AM
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Do you know what metal which has been tortured, ground-up, burned and mangled to within an inch of its life SMELLS like, Clare? It's one of the things those of us who have experience in the real, mechanical world of machinery and manufacturing know about, Clare. It's a man thing.


I didn't get your joke here, Menow. To me what you're saying IS a sexist remark. Because what you're saying is that MEN know about mechanical stuff while WOMEN don't. In reality smelling, knowing or experiencing have nothing to do with genitals.

And this wasn't your first sexist remark either. On page 573 you replied to Clare this way:


Clare, you are an embarrassment to your gender.


That's something only directed at women. Men don't need to hear that sort of stuff; men are not shamed because of their gender.


What? How does that imply that women are, or should be, ashamed because of their gender? It actually says the opposite!
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No it doesn't say the opposite. You saying Clare is an embarrassment to her gender is not praising females or Clare as a female.

If Clare is an embarrassment to her gender that means in your opinion Clare is not the kind of woman she should be, in your opinion. And, inherent in that statement is an idea of how in your opinion all women should be like. And that's sexist.

And so Clare (BECAUSE she's a woman) is not accepted as a proper representative of her gender.

But, whatever BS Clare has bought into and believes in is not BECAUSE of her gender. Any hint in that direction IS a sexist remark.

For some reason men, who believe or post similar stuff, are not "an embarrassment to their gender". Why is that? It's because men don't like to shame THEIR gender. It's because men are assumed to be human and not so much representatives of their gender. But women are constantly being reminded of their feminity.

How come you never talk this way to all those white men posting similar stuff as Clare?

By the way... how many women do you know who have the experience of the average man in terms of construction and machinery, auto mechanics, etc, etc, etc? It's not that women CAN'T do that sort of thing, it's that they DON'T, for the most part. You can imagine it to be otherwise if you wish.
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Most state presidents in this world are male. Women, for the most part, don't do presidential stuff. These are facts in this historical time. However, assuming all presidents are men and calling them all 'he' would be sexist. Would you agree?

Not seeing the very real inequality means maintaining the inequality.
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06/04/2010 05:35 AM
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Pay off a few people to "have a relative" named whatever.
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This is fucking bullshit.
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Pay off a few people to "have a relative" named whatever. There are plenty who would do it for a thrill and the money. Sadly. I even know people like that; a kind of mean selfishness without being grossed out: you know, they'll watch certain kinds of shows and never realy think something is immoral -- just titillatingly gross, or whatever.
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I hope and pray that one day one of the family members who lost loved ones in it gets to meet up with you in person clunk...

I'd be quite happy to stand there- watch them punch your ignorant face in

and I will quite happily stand there and defend them to any jury in the world

you are not just ignorant about most (ALL???) science- but quite frankly I say you disgust me

`I vomit in your general direction'
you have gone from amusing to disgusting in those last few posts
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For some reason men, who believe or post similar stuff, are not "an embarrassment to their gender".
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She's a fucking embarrassment to everyone who she's associated with in any way whatsoever.

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