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clunk again shows her true colours

you see clunk

thats a REAL person- that lost a REAL loved one

spits at clunk

disgusted by you

commentater- i wont be playing with this P.O.S. anymore- it stanks up the room too much
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some people (well alledged people) seem to have a problem with the idea that max ideal cruise speed isnt the max speed that the plane can get to

now I am sure that i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level....

the 757 isnt it tho

(thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level.......)

;-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

You seem to be saying it could fly at its max altitude cruise speed at near sea level?

"i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level"

but then you say
"thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level"

which seems you were contradicting yourself?

Anyway, Jeff Hill asked Boeing and they laughed. He asked them re. the NYC speeds. I think he's taken down all his grea phone calls now, though.
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some people (well alledged people) seem to have a problem with the idea that max ideal cruise speed isnt the max speed that the plane can get to

[...]

;-)
 Quoting: mclarek 992620

By the way, of course any object can get to higher speeds than controllable speeds. The issue is, reverb starts in and so does airflow exceed the engine capacity to function and control such rock-steady flying as the CGI planes exhibit in the long shots (composites).
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Dang! You are FAST!!! You must be climbing under that much thrust....;-)
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blows smoke out of barrel

ya gotta be fast to pull one over on ME lol....

;-)

clunk - thats like I could mine the ore, smelt it, machine it, draw and fire...
and still die of old age before she gets past kindergarden
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clunk again shows her true colours

you see clunk

thats a REAL person- that lost a REAL loved one

spits at clunk

disgusted by you

commentater- i wont be playing with this P.O.S. anymore- it stanks up the room too much
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624



Your call. I can respect your choice. She is pretty malodorous I admit.

But a GREAT source of comedy gold for a while.
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Dang! You are FAST!!! You must be climbing under that much thrust....;-)



[link to pribek.net]

blows smoke out of barrel

ya gotta be fast to pull one over on ME lol....

;-)

clunk - thats like I could mine the ore, smelt it, machine it, draw and fire...
and still die of old age before she gets past kindergarden
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That, Sir, is the best laugh I have had all dang WEEK!!!! ;-)
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That, Sir, is the best laugh I have had all dang WEEK!!!! ;-)
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I `aim' to please LOL
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That, Sir, is the best laugh I have had all dang WEEK!!!! ;-)

I `aim' to please LOL
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Aimed damned well, IMHO!
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Or she may be lying.
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You're locked into an irrational ideological obsession and are completely disregarding individual human reality.

The difference between you and someone like Pol Pot is only a matter of degree not kind.

Or to put in other words you're being a major asshole.
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I think what's holding you back is the same as what holds Watson back, to which Holmes replied, "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

and

"When a fact appears to be opposed to a long train of deductions, it invariably proves to be capable of bearing some other interpretation."

..............

The Vicsims and Victims problem:

There are serious inconsistencies in passenger lists.
Part 1
[link to www.youtube.com]
Part 2
[link to www.youtube.com]

The passengers photo problems:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Some of the NYC victim photo problems:
[link to www.youtube.com]

The flights 11 and 77 problem:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I've often said

if it's worth saying twice...

it wasn't worth saying at all...




;-)
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Or she may be lying.


You're locked into an irrational ideological obsession and are completely disregarding individual human reality.

The difference between you and someone like Pol Pot is only a matter of degree not kind.

Or to put in other words you're being a major asshole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Yours is an emotional reaction to the fake photos and probematic passenger list evidence realities.

You are discounting the pure reason arguments around covert operations (this was such an event, so we should expect some of their tricks and in fact we may have all of their tricks in use for this one: it was a biggie operation). One of the things possible to do is -- ugly, inhumane -- manipulation of us by having SOME fake families, identities, memorials, etc. -- Agents, plus corruptible sympathizers, could create the impressions of a few caring people for passengers. Some people may in fact have been on a plane or other, and killed somewhere, too, for the incomplete DNA finds.

And the issue of the passengers is really secondary when there are the Boeing problems and parallax problems and lamppost problems and wrong trajectories problem and Shanskville problem and witness problems and so on.

Real people are easy to kill. Fake identities are easy to create -- especially with a few shills wearing the same photo of their "family member" year after year, and showing up for memorials. Some photos are so bad you'd think the family would release a better one. In the cases where they do, they're near duplicates.

Other victims are almost the same as other victims in photos. The real evidence is not so complete or consistent as you assume it is. There are not multiple normal photos; most family members of passengers crying out; and remember when the plane (I think it was 77? I forget) was to land in LA, and NO FAMILY WAS THERE FOR THEM. Did you hear of that? There WAS no flight -- not that one, anyway.

No planes -- such as you are thinking. Missiles with wings and paintjobs, maybe. Maybe a Sky warrior at the Pentagon maybe. And maybe some people used in a drill and killed -- maybe.

Not being an asshole. The PERPS are assholes. I am just being purely rational and unemotional about the considerations. It's ugly and emotional, the conclusion; but following it is not.

When JFK died, many (not all) thought it impossible to have a vast conspiracy -- i.e., over many departments and persons. Heck, they didn't know the extent of the assassins and false id makers, and front companies, and secret programs their gov't and para gov't were running. We now know more about it all, not just about the JFK fiasco. It's only gotten better.

They would have pulled out all the stops for 9/11.

Also,
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Oops. The "Also," was left over from an edit -- at the end of my last post.
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I've often said

if it's worth saying twice...

it wasn't worth saying at all...




;-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

Sure, when someone isn't listening.

The only reason it's repeated is to help you handle the evidence here. Not because it isn't objectively worthwhile, in principle. Is it my fault you are not arguing the issues of the photo fakery?

So instead it was repeated.

Check it out.

Unpleasant. But hey, we're adults who are dealing with perps. Expect "unpleasant" lies.
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
`You seem to be saying it could fly at its max altitude cruise speed at near sea level?

"i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level"

but then you say
"thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level"

which seems you were contradicting yourself?'






oh its just too easy

clunk is confuzzled I said that two different planes were different

imagine her dismay when a f22 does a flypast over a hurricane...

but

but...
but they HAVE to both be the same....

they are both planes!!!
LOL




`Anyway, Jeff Hill asked Boeing and they laughed. He asked them re. the NYC speeds. I think he's taken down all his grea phone calls now, though.'


see clunk- there is a difference between Boeing was laughing with him... and Boeing was laughing AT him...



`Anyway, Jeff Hill asked Boeing and they laughed.'

why yes...

yes they did....

(I would love to have been a fly on the wall there at that time... imagine it...)

`Hey guys- it's that jeff idiot again, what can we stir the braindead moron up with this time??'

`hey try out they had to use American airlines because they didnt paint their planes all over- because tesla waves only work on bare metal'

`think he will fall for it???'

`nah nobody could be that dumb...'

`20 bucks he will fall for it...'
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I've often said

if it's worth saying twice...

it wasn't worth saying at all...




;-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

Oh, if you mean the double post itself, just above (rather than the repeat of the links shared over the last few pages) ...

That was a bad connection. I posted but it didn't show, so I posted again and then two appeared.

;)
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`Anyway, Jeff Hill asked Boeing and they laughed. He asked them re. the NYC speeds. I think he's taken down all his grea phone calls now, though.'


see clunk- there is a difference between Boeing was laughing with him... and Boeing was laughing AT him...

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

No, dear. Pick your jaw up off the floor and get this:

He asked them if a Boeing 757 could fly at sea level at the speed it went into the WTC, without telling them who he was or what it was referring to. He asked that and they laughed -- at the CONCEPT. Saying "NOOOO" and said that's its cruise speed at high altitude.

The laughter "at him" is an expression here ... so you confused the issue, in your laughable superciliousness at me. They laughed at his question.

Do you know what supercilious means? And if you do, do you know what it refers to, etymologically?

"High cilia" or "hairs raised" (meaning eyebrows up in derision).
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`You seem to be saying it could fly at its max altitude cruise speed at near sea level?

"i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level"

but then you say
"thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level"

which seems you were contradicting yourself?'





oh its just too easy

clunk is confuzzled I said that two different planes were different

imagine her dismay when a f22 does a flypast over a hurricane...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624


The required word here, showing your confusion over basic grammar, not mere spelling, is "it's" for "it is".

But anyway ... I was not following your discussion with him closely. So I was posting to you nicely ... never mind.
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And the issue of the passengers is really secondary when there are the Boeing problems and parallax problems and lamppost problems and wrong trajectories problem and Shanskville problem and witness problems and so on.
 Quoting: mclarek 992620



YOU specifically brought up Tom McGuinness as an example of an "alleged" victim who didn't have a real family.

I provided multiple sources showing he did indeed have a real family.

Now, instead of dealing with specific details which contradict your repeated idiotic claims, you're backtracking and saying "the issue of the passengers is really secondary."

Does that mean you concede Cheryl McGuinness and her children are real people and not paid liars?

I'm sure the "issue of the passengers" isn't secondary to them.
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Here's some loose threads on Flight 93; there are some who claim a real flight was shot down away from the "crash site".

[link to www.youtube.com]

(CBS interviews some pilots who say they were on the air and were told to shoot it down but didn't know it)

As to "the passengers" took it down themselves, that's a whole other issue that's nonsense, and false heroics. But anyway, another Military unit seems to have actually ended up shooting it down -- with some people on it -- maybe. But there's suspicion about that, too. Shanksville didn't crash at the site -- whatever else was going on.
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Provocateurs, Shills and Disinfo agents in general:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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oh its just too easy

clunk is confuzzled I said that two different planes were different

imagine her dismay when a f22 does a flypast over a hurricane...

The required word here, showing your confusion over basic grammar, not mere spelling, is "it's" for "it is".

But anyway ... I was not following your discussion with him closely. So I was posting to you nicely ... never mind.
 Quoting: mclarek 992620



`WOOSH'

and it again goes about 22 billion kilometres over clunks head...

(oops again i forgot to `punch'uate clunk )

oh well clunk have this one from Tom

[link to www.cartoonstock.com]
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Morphing programs and the vicsim capabilities:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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For the doubters and debunkers (the latter not being merely doubters in reasonable manner): Here's Bermas (who does not understand no planes, nor vicsims, upset at the caller):

[link to www.youtube.com]
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oh its just too easy

clunk is confuzzled I said that two different planes were different

imagine her dismay when a f22 does a flypast over a hurricane...

The required word here, showing your confusion over basic grammar, not mere spelling, is "it's" for "it is".

But anyway ... I was not following your discussion with him closely. So I was posting to you nicely ... never mind.



`WOOSH'

and it again goes about 22 billion kilometres over clunks head...

(oops again i forgot to `punch'uate clunk )

oh well clunk have this one from Tom

[link to www.cartoonstock.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

No, dear. As usual I am ignoring most of your comments. But re. your original comments here, I whipped off a comment to you, not having followed the directly previous comments you and Geroge had on this specific line of thinking. I was also in a hurry.

WHOOSH over your head -- giggle :))
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Here's an example in realtime --

FBI admits Spanish politican was model for 'high-tech' Osama bin Laden photo-fit


They used a Spanish politician -- and admit it.


[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]


CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? Well, SINCE they did that and admitted it under pressure ........ -- and why the Spaniard? -- then you should beleve they could and might very well have done it on 9/11 -- with a few fake family members of sympathizers.

Seriously.

Here's Bermas "debunking" it with belief and "lots of watching" but he doesn't actually argue it:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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some people (well alledged people) seem to have a problem with the idea that max ideal cruise speed isnt the max speed that the plane can get to

[...]

;-)

By the way, of course any object can get to higher speeds than controllable speeds. The issue is, reverb starts in and so does airflow exceed the engine capacity to function and control such rock-steady flying as the CGI planes exhibit in the long shots (composites).
 Quoting: mclarek 992620


Looked in all my aeronautical engineering texts, (about 25 shelf feet) and I don't find the word "reverb" used in any of them, care to explain exactly what that means in the context of aeronautics?

And what the fuck does "airflow exceed the engine capacity" mean?

Are you just pulling random words out of a bag?
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some people (well alledged people) seem to have a problem with the idea that max ideal cruise speed isnt the max speed that the plane can get to

now I am sure that i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level....

the 757 isnt it tho

(thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level.......)

;-)

You seem to be saying it could fly at its max altitude cruise speed at near sea level?

"i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level"

but then you say
"thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level"

which seems you were contradicting yourself?

Anyway, Jeff Hill asked Boeing and they laughed. He asked them re. the NYC speeds. I think he's taken down all his grea phone calls now, though.
 Quoting: mclarek 992620



They usually do laugh when they get a dingbat calling. Dingbats ask funny questions in funny ways. They should be laughed at.

Last Edited by The Commentator on 06/04/2010 10:30 PM
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Oh and here's something on the fake family members -- there are some victims with no representatives, some with repeat bad photos (cut-and-paste with different backgrounds -- some with a morph effect ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

Anyway.

...................

SOME family members can be paid/ agent ... as some of the witnesses are, from 9/11 TV. A couple were exposed as actors dressed up and we know who they were. The main one is now posing as a scholar for 911 truth as well, but was a bad-accent guy on 9/11 with big glasses.

[link to www.youtube.com]

And if you want more on that
[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

One guy was talking of whole complex explanations that fit one version (there are 2-3) of gov't story of how the Twin Towers came down. He's nicknamed Harley Guy. Some think he's a specific actor nown as well, but that's possibly a wrong identification. He might have been a plant but unknown who, yet.
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WHY THE HIJACKERS HAVE TO BE FAKE ------ too many reasons. All would have to fall, before the problem would go away. They're all really incongruous problems. Only one has to be true.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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