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here's a good link:

Thread: how to wake people up to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job--what has worked for you in waking up your circle?

and this one too:

Thread: Severe Weather/Winds Around the World

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hm. would you not believe it if Planet X one day shows up in the sky, visible to all?

if it happens noone could ignore the warnings anymore.
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IF it was actually visible. But it isn't...even though Nancy has been claiming for over six years that it is. She could have ended this debate years ago if just one member of her imaging team had used a telescope and photographed "Planet X" near the sun where she claims it to be. But no one on her imaging team has done so...nor have any of her believers. A "debunker" has all the necessary equipment to do just that and offered to let Nancy, or anyone she trusted, to come use his equipment. Not only would she finally have concrete and verifiable evidence...but it would have been obtained using equipment owned by a known "debunker." This would have been a win-win situation for her, do you not agree? And yet, neither her or any of her supporters took him up on the offer. In fact, he was attacked for it...being called a "fake astronomer" with User claiming that the person didn't actually own any of the equipment at all. He claimed it was all a big ruse.
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maybe it was a hurricane in that story i've heard sometime ago?
probably yes, it was just to illustrate the situation, not intending literal or scientific accuracy

No, what you said could very well be true...the story may have involved a tsunami. But it may only been a story that was meant to have a lesson in it. Who knows.
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I read the story when I was in school, it was listed as a folk tale, here it is.

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The Wave

This is Germaine Dietsch’s adaptation of an old Japanese folk tale.

Long ago in Japan, high on a mountain by the sea there lived an old farmer named Hamaguchi. With him lived his grandson, Tada, who called him Oji-san, which means grandfather in Japanese. Tada loved his grandfather dearly and revered him for he knew he was old and very wise.

At the base of the mountain, near the beach that skirted a bay, was a village. Many of the villagers fished, but the food that was their mainstay was the rice they grew in their fields on the mountain beside the long, winding road that lead up to the rice field of Oji-san. Their rice fields were precious to the villagers. In spring they planted each precious rice seed and in summer, tended each precious plant. In autumn, when the rice stalks turned golden and dried in the sun, they were stacked, ready for the harvest that meant food for the entire year.

One day in autumn Oji-san and Tada stood on the balcony of their house looking out over the golden rice fields down to the village. The crops had been good this year and there was going to be a celebration in the courtyard of the temple. People were stringing colorful paper lanterns on the houses and putting banners around the temple. The air was still and heavy. Oji-san noticed the banners were not moving.

“It feels like earthquake weather”, said Oji-san. No sooner had he said it that the house started to rock. It wasn’t a strong enough quake to frighten Oji-san, he had been through many earthquakes. But this one was strange…a long, slow shaking as if caused by changes far out in the deep sea. As the quaking stopped, Oji-san’s keen eyes looked out to the sea. The water darkened suddenly…it was drawing back from the beach… the sea was running away from the land! Oji-san and Tada saw the villagers running from the streets and from their houses, all gathering on the beach. The water kept drawing back, baring the sand. There were fish jumping on the wet sand, delighting the children, but the people were perplexed, they didn’t understand…but Oji-san did. He remembered stories of long ago told him in his childhood and he understood what the sea was going to do. He had to warn the villagers! But how could he get a message down the long winding road… there was no time to tell the priest to sound the bell! He had to act. “Quick!” he said to Tada, “ Light me a torch!”

Tada lit a torch and gave it to his grandfather. The old man took it and ran to the field where his dry rice stalks stood, ready for harvest…. his precious rice…all of his work for the last year, all of the food for the year to come. He thrust the torch into the dry stacks and set the rice on fire…they burst into flame; sparks flew up into the air.

Tada ran after his grandfather. “Grandfather why? What are you doing??” he shouted. Oji-san didn’t have time to answer…he had no time to explain…he was thinking only of saving those by the edge of the sea.

Tada ran crying into the house. He was frightened. He thought his grandfather had lost his mind. Oji-san went on, setting fire to stack after stack of dry rice stalks until his entire field was afire.

Down below, the priest in the temple looked up and saw the blaze on the mountain. He set the big bell booming. When they heard it, people turned from the beach and began running up the winding road to put out the fire. The young men were the fastest; then came he mothers and fathers with their children and the old people too…all running to help put out the fire. Oji-san watched…“Faster, run faster”, he whispered.

The young men arrived first and started trying to put out the fires fire. But it was too late to save the field of Oji-san. They stood and stared at him in sorrow. Then Tada came running from the house. “Grandfather has lost his mind,” he yelled. “He has gone mad! He set fire to the rice on purpose!”

“You set the fire on purpose?” some of the men shouted angrily. “The old man must be mad” others murmured. “Next he’ll set fire to our fields!” They looked at him threateningly.

The old man raised his hand, pointing toward the sea. “Look!”

The people turned to look. There at the edge of the horizon, they saw a long dark line of shore where no shore had been before…it was moving toward them…that long line of darkness was the returning sea… towering like a cliff, yawning like the open mouth of a monster… coming toward them more swiftly than dragon kites.

“A tidal wave!” The shout went up. Suddenly all the shrieks and all the shouts were cut off by the shock of the great wave striking the shore with a force that sent a shudder through the mountain. There was a burst of white foam like a flash of lighting, and spray that went up the mountainside. When they looked again, they saw a wild, white sea raging over the place where their homes had been. It drew back roaring, sucking, tearing out everything as it pulled back…and then it struck again…and again and yet again, though each time with less strength. Finally, the sea returned to its place…leaving only wreckage behind.

Around the house of Oji-san, there was a shocked silence. No one spoke. There was no more village...only scattered pieces of thatch along the shore. Then, quietly, the people knelt and thanked Oji-san for saving their lives.

“Eventually, the people rebuilt their village but they did not forget Oji-san though he was now old and poor. They built a temple in his honor. It is said the temple still stands. It honors a wise old man who sacrificed his own riches to save the people of his village.
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maybe it was a hurricane in that story i've heard sometime ago?
probably yes, it was just to illustrate the situation, not intending literal or scientific accuracy

No, what you said could very well be true...the story may have involved a tsunami. But it may only been a story that was meant to have a lesson in it. Who knows.


I read the story when I was in school, it was listed as a folk tale, here it is.

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The Wave

This is Germaine Dietsch’s adaptation of an old Japanese folk tale.
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit


oh, thanks for that!
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Here are several long exposure photographs of the night sky. As you will see....there is no evidence of a "wobble."

[link to images.google.com]
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It's very refreshing to see some actual discussion taking place without all the name calling.
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I don't buy the cry wolf scenario as Andrew puts forth. In fact, the story goes that the little boy gave the false alarm so many times that nobody believed him when the wolf did show up. Nancy and other doom merchants cry wolf so much, that we are becoming inured to all such claims and warnings. If a real threat were to arise, people would be inclined to ignore the warnings because the warnings up until now have been bogus.


hm. would you not believe it if Planet X one day shows up in the sky, visible to all?

if it happens noone could ignore the warnings anymore.
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Be sure to let us all know when that happens.
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I don't buy the cry wolf scenario as Andrew puts forth. In fact, the story goes that the little boy gave the false alarm so many times that nobody believed him when the wolf did show up. Nancy and other doom merchants cry wolf so much, that we are becoming inured to all such claims and warnings. If a real threat were to arise, people would be inclined to ignore the warnings because the warnings up until now have been bogus.


hm. would you not believe it if Planet X one day shows up in the sky, visible to all?

if it happens noone could ignore the warnings anymore.
 Quoting: andrew


How many more years will you wait? Nancy has been claiming that planet eX is in the inner solar system for over six (6) years now.

Both Mercury and Venus are visible either in the evening or morning at certain times of the year yet planet eX is not?
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Andrew -- Why did you link to a 911 thread and a weather thread?

Neither have much to do with Nancy or PX.
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Andrew -- Why did you link to a 911 thread and a weather thread?

Neither have much to do with Nancy or PX.
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Arhh that takes me back to the elli days a time when anything in the world can and was used as evidence..
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i never believed in "stalled Earth", nor do i now.

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So, do you believe ANY of "Zetas" astronomical claims? Why or why not?
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Andrew -- Why did you link to a 911 thread and a weather thread?

Neither have much to do with Nancy or PX.


Arhh that takes me back to the elli days a time when anything in the world can and was used as evidence..
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That has not changed, only the names move on, zeta stupidity is forever.

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For some odd reason, some people (like Free Store), believe that the moon follows the sun's path through the sky. Well, it does...however, it does so much faster. It takes a year for the sun go complete its journey through the sky...but it only takes the moon less than a month to complete the same journey.



 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


This description is always misleading. Saying that the ecliptic is the "Sun's path" through the sky always leads people to think that the Moon should trace the same path that the Sun did during the day. Not so. The ecliptic is the Sun's path through the stars over a year, NOT through the sky during the day.
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How many more years will you wait? Nancy has been claiming that planet eX is in the inner solar system for over six (6) years now.

Both Mercury and Venus are visible either in the evening or morning at certain times of the year yet planet eX is not?
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if its not visible then its not yet in the solar system.

and, per ZetaTalk, it will be some 3 or so months before the pole shift itself.
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Andrew -- Why did you link to a 911 thread and a weather thread?
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911 because the reaction to truth is much the same as with zetatalk

extreme weather is an obvious trend, a sign, one of the reasons i believe the main zetatalk message
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Arhh that takes me back to the elli days a time when anything in the world can and was used as evidence..
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who is elli ?
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It's very refreshing to see some actual discussion taking place without all the name calling.
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Arhh that takes me back to the elli days a time when anything in the world can and was used as evidence..


who is elli ?
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u are kidding, right?
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Nice to see spamtards are alive and well and still spewing spam
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Leave it to Max to ruin it. And to think he claimed that "debunkers" start such attacks.

More evidence that he's just a troll.

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Andrew -- Why did you link to a 911 thread and a weather thread?


911 because the reaction to truth is much the same as with zetatalk

extreme weather is an obvious trend, a sign, one of the reasons i believe the main zetatalk message
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The PX/Nibiru faithful try to connect to 911 conspiracy theories because of their popularity.
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911 because the reaction to truth is much the same as with zetatalk
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Of couse, as you have admitted previously in the thread, ZetaTalk is NOT "truth," certainly not all truth. The Earth isn't stopped in orbit. The Earth isn't wobbling. The Moon is where it is supposed to be. What would you expect the reaction to be to ridiculous whoppers like that?
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How many more years will you wait? Nancy has been claiming that planet eX is in the inner solar system for over six (6) years now.

Both Mercury and Venus are visible either in the evening or morning at certain times of the year yet planet eX is not?


if its not visible then its not yet in the solar system.

and, per ZetaTalk, it will be some 3 or so months before the pole shift itself.
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So you are now in direct contradiction to Zetatalk. Nancy (Zetas) state that planet eX is in the inner solar system. You on the other hand, have just said that it is not yet in the solar system.

Planet eX in the inner solar system is one of the core beliefs of zetatalk.
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How many more years will you wait? Nancy has been claiming that planet eX is in the inner solar system for over six (6) years now.

Both Mercury and Venus are visible either in the evening or morning at certain times of the year yet planet eX is not?


if its not visible then its not yet in the solar system.

and, per ZetaTalk, it will be some 3 or so months before the pole shift itself.
 Quoting: andrew


"Per Zetatalk" is meaningless, in this context, due to multiple and massive contradictions re: PX visibility, over the years.
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Andrew -- Why did you link to a 911 thread and a weather thread?


911 because the reaction to truth is much the same as with zetatalk

extreme weather is an obvious trend, a sign, one of the reasons i believe the main zetatalk message
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You're an idiot. "Extreme weather" is utterly open to subjective opinion and memory. "Extreme weather" has taken place since pre-history.
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i never believed in "stalled Earth", nor do i now.

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So, do you believe ANY of "Zetas" astronomical claims? Why or why not?
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Here is a quote from Nancy's chat:


Last chat I asked:

“The comments about yoga at ZT seem to be too one-sided and superificial. The attention is given to physical side, that can be correlated with Hatha Yoga. Other branches of it are not analysed, though it includes also mental, meditative and verbal practices. So, can we hear greater comment about yoga from Zetas ?
NancyTalk: No.

I should make excuses for my perseverance but at the same time point out that I was waiting for the answer from Zetas, not you. I am sure it is clear that yoga is one of the things that can help people before and after PS. And so additional comments of Zetas will only help us. I am persistent cause I read a little bit about yoga and now I strongly feel that ZT does not give full comments about mental, meditative and verbal practices of it. Meditation, contemplation, self-consciousness – can they say more about that ?

SOZT
No.
EOZT

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lol.. i'm getting this image off that huge computer console in 'Space 1999'.. imagining the Zeta's waiting for an answer.. only for it to say.. 'computer says NO.'

I find the aliens lack of interest in advising us humans on yoga/meditation a bit well..?? let's say.. less than comforting.. almost like they don't want us to practice it...


I don't like the way these aliens don't want us to reach 'altered' states of consciousness/out of body experience.'
Surely..?! there's no harm in giving it a whirl.. no?


Curious how this question is declined. As the person that posted this suggests, I think Nancy does not want us to reach altered states on our own, because that would cut into her domain. She needs us to need her, and meditation, yoga and other such disciplines are not acceptable to her because we would see right away how untruthful her material is. She does not want us to develop our contemplation and self consciousness skills, she doesn't want us to know ourselves and develop as individuals. She wants followers.
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How does an incoming planet affect weather?
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How does an incoming planet affect weather?
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Question has been asked many times. No response, other than maybe something like: "HOW COULD IT NOT?!"
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How many more years will you wait? Nancy has been claiming that planet eX is in the inner solar system for over six (6) years now.

Both Mercury and Venus are visible either in the evening or morning at certain times of the year yet planet eX is not?


if its not visible then its not yet in the solar system.

and, per ZetaTalk, it will be some 3 or so months before the pole shift itself.
 Quoting: andrew

What means, it moves 200 times faster than any object in our solar system.
Which menas, it does nor belong to our solarr system.
Which means, it is not in an Orbit, but a wanderer between starts.
Which means, it cpould not be here periodically.

Can't you at least start to have a minor understanding of astronoimic issues?

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