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Oh and here's something on the fake family members -- there are some victims with no representatives, some with repeat bad photos (cut-and-paste with different backgrounds -- some with a morph effect ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

Anyway.

...................

SOME family members can be paid/ agent ... as some of the witnesses are, from 9/11 TV. A couple were exposed as actors dressed up and we know who they were. The main one is now posing as a scholar for 911 truth as well, but was a bad-accent guy on 9/11 with big glasses.

[link to www.youtube.com]

And if you want more on that
[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

One guy was talking of whole complex explanations that fit one version (there are 2-3) of gov't story of how the Twin Towers came down. He's nicknamed Harley Guy. Some think he's a specific actor nown as well, but that's possibly a wrong identification. He might have been a plant but unknown who, yet.
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WHY THE HIJACKERS HAVE TO BE FAKE ------ too many reasons. All would have to fall, before the problem would go away. They're all really incongruous problems. Only one has to be true.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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WHY THE HIJACKERS HAVE TO BE FAKE ------ too many reasons. All would have to fall, before the problem would go away. They're all really incongruous problems. Only one has to be true.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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some people (well alledged people) seem to have a problem with the idea that max ideal cruise speed isnt the max speed that the plane can get to

now I am sure that i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level....

the 757 isnt it tho

(thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level.......)

;-)

You seem to be saying it could fly at its max altitude cruise speed at near sea level?

"i could find a plane that couldnt fly at its maximum speed at near sea level"

but then you say
"thinking big and drips fuel on the runway- that wouldn't get near its top speed at sea level"

which seems you were contradicting yourself?

Anyway, Jeff Hill asked Boeing and they laughed. He asked them re. the NYC speeds. I think he's taken down all his grea phone calls now, though.



They usually do laugh when they get a dingbat calling. Dingbats ask funny questions in funny ways. They should be laughed at.
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paid_shill
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I should mention that the video on a couple of family member (posers, probably, i.e., since the photos they carry are all identical faces, but with different outfits) [link to www.youtube.com] goes a bit far in suspecting ALL major Truth activists as part of the problem or as shills.

What does happen here is everything is tossed up -- and you think my claims went to far! hahaha -- but that's fair enough in trying to test who might be for real as activists.

Just as you guys thought I was a shill and I thought some of you were.

Anyway, the vid is good except as with all testing, mistakes happen. The main point is, ALL must come into question on this case; nothing can be held sacred until proven so.
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Oh and here's something on the fake family members -- there are some victims with no representatives, some with repeat bad photos (cut-and-paste with different backgrounds -- some with a morph effect ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

Anyway.

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I'm sure you're going to weasel out of this in a few pages, but you are now claiming that Bob McIlvaine and Donna Marsh O'Oonnor, WHO ARE APPARENTLY "TRUTHERS" are actually paid actors and did not have children who died on 911?

That's what's on that video you just posted.

There's some twisted shit going in with that video, with you and with this subject in general.

The Shill game goes both ways, sweetheart.


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shill
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Shills are SUPPRESSING the fakery issue. Everyone thinks they're to "make 911 Truth look bad" but in fact if the movie version of the whole thing falls -- on all levels or even ONE, like the parallax impossibilities -- the whole thing becomes CLEARLY a fraud and much of the other work on it then becomes conclusive.

If FEW of the people lost family that day, then the WHOLE THING FALLS and the media Bilderbergers show up for what they are.
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Oh and here's something on the fake family members -- there are some victims with no representatives, some with repeat bad photos (cut-and-paste with different backgrounds -- some with a morph effect ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

Anyway.




I'm sure you're going to weasel out of this in a few pages, but you are now claiming that Bob McIlvaine and Donna Marsh O'Oonnor, WHO ARE APPARENTLY "TRUTHERS" are actually paid actors and did not have children who died on 911?

That's what's on that video you just posted.

There's some twisted shit going in with that video, with you and with this subject in general.

The Shill game goes both ways, sweetheart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583


Be a critical thinker, sweetheart.

Of COURSE it works both ways. Gary Welz is an infiltrator, for instance. And, vice versa, SOME family members from NYC were real definitely -- for people were jumping.

But more than that? Not NECESSARILY.

I am an extremely critical thinker; I might make mistakes but I am aware of complexity in these issues ... as my statements herein (and before) have made clear. It is -- some of -- you people who keep insisting on simple answers. The only thing simple is a conclusion derived from many complexities: no planes. But other than that, the realities were complex -- different fake and real events combined, for each situation in the case.

There was video fakery from the parallax issues ALONE. And some passengers and NYC victims' photos are DOUBLES. That much is certain here. Some have THE SAME face in different "photos". After that, some would be morphs, and that is clear too. But some might be real.

So, some of the "family" making the rounds have to be actors. HAVE to be. And some would not be, but they've been infiltrated so that only certain versions of the questions come out.

Other than that, there are other problems too. But you can do your own research with the links I've posted. I have never advocated taking ALL of all of them. But there's enough WITHIN them to make the issues of fakery clear.
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Shills are SUPPRESSING the fakery issue. Everyone thinks they're to "make 911 Truth look bad" but in fact if the movie version of the whole thing falls -- on all levels or even ONE, like the parallax impossibilities -- the whole thing becomes CLEARLY a fraud and much of the other work on it then becomes conclusive.

If FEW of the people lost family that day, then the WHOLE THING FALLS and the media Bilderbergers show up for what they are.

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Sister, you've really fallen for some evil, perverted nonsense at least some of which might very well be originating with people who are into deliberate mind fucks and/or who are clinical mentally ill.

You need an immediate hiatus from the internet and something on the order of 5 mg. a day of Zyprexa to take the edge off.

I'm completely serious.
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Oh and here's something on the fake family members -- there are some victims with no representatives, some with repeat bad photos (cut-and-paste with different backgrounds -- some with a morph effect ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

Anyway.




I'm sure you're going to weasel out of this in a few pages, but you are now claiming that Bob McIlvaine and Donna Marsh O'Oonnor, WHO ARE APPARENTLY "TRUTHERS" are actually paid actors and did not have children who died on 911?

That's what's on that video you just posted.

There's some twisted shit going in with that video, with you and with this subject in general.

The Shill game goes both ways, sweetheart.


Be a critical thinker, sweetheart.

Of COURSE it works both ways. Gary Welz is an infiltrator, for instance. And, vice versa, SOME family members from NYC were real definitely -- for people were jumping.

But more than that? Not NECESSARILY.

I am an extremely critical thinker; I might make mistakes but I am aware of complexity in these issues ... as my statements herein (and before) have made clear. It is -- some of -- you people who keep insisting on simple answers. The only thing simple is a conclusion derived from many complexities: no planes. But other than that, the realities were complex -- different fake and real events combined, for each situation in the case.

There was video fakery from the parallax issues ALONE. And some passengers and NYC victims' photos are DOUBLES. That much is certain here. Some have THE SAME face in different "photos". After that, some would be morphs, and that is clear too. But some might be real.

So, some of the "family" making the rounds have to be actors. HAVE to be. And some would not be, but they've been infiltrated so that only certain versions of the questions come out.

Other than that, there are other problems too. But you can do your own research with the links I've posted. I have never advocated taking ALL of all of them. But there's enough WITHIN them to make the issues of fakery clear.
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Since when? You certainly have not displayed any critical thinking on this forum.

Oh yes, what is the Vne of the 757/767 aircraft?

Of course you have no clue what that means, which is what one can expect from you, clunker.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Shills are SUPPRESSING the fakery issue. Everyone thinks they're to "make 911 Truth look bad" but in fact if the movie version of the whole thing falls -- on all levels or even ONE, like the parallax impossibilities -- the whole thing becomes CLEARLY a fraud and much of the other work on it then becomes conclusive.

If FEW of the people lost family that day, then the WHOLE THING FALLS and the media Bilderbergers show up for what they are.




Sister, you've really fallen for some evil, perverted nonsense at least some of which might very well be originating with people who are into deliberate mind fucks and/or who are clinical mentally ill.

You need an immediate hiatus from the internet and something on the order of 5 mg. a day of Zyprexa to take the edge off.

I'm completely serious.
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I would think that for her problem haloperidol would be more appropriate.
non sufficit Orbis

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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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But you can do your own research with the links I've posted. I have never advocated taking ALL of all of them. .
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I've looked at the first few minutes of several of your Youtube links, debunked them completely and gotten no response whatsoever from you.

They all contained distortions and falsehoods of such a magnitude that it is extremely difficult to believe they weren't intentional.

I'm certainly not going to bother wading through the rest of it.

You need help.

Seriously.
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I'm sure you're going to weasel out of this in a few pages, but you are now claiming that Bob McIlvaine and Donna Marsh O'Oonnor, WHO ARE APPARENTLY "TRUTHERS" are actually paid actors and did not have children who died on 911?

That's what's on that video you just posted.

There's some twisted shit going in with that video, with you and with this subject in general.

The Shill game goes both ways, sweetheart.

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By the way, I COMMENTED on this already when I first posted it. I said there were problems with that and they end up suspecting everyone, and that's FINE but not all will show up as frauds in the end. I said that.

You are not reading carefully now. Well, I didn't on your other post, so I'll give ya this one.

When testing, EVERYTHING on 9/11 has to be tested, it turns out. This is my main point. And you guys haven't really.

Second, everyone should be under suspicion at some point. This is good. If only you guys were more on side with that; you would see what's in the vids and GET IT.

Third, some claims made during testing will fall. Some family will be real and some Truthers real.

////////

But since you clearly SAW the vid: did you notice the photos are doubles?

Now check out Bermas trying to "wave his hands" emotionally and say plane fakery is silly and the victims can't have been added to and some family members be fake ... (my guess is, unlike some, and the video maker above, that Jones and Bermas are well intentioned and really, like some of you, just have so much cognitive dissonance on the issue ... so they think it'll divide people and we'll get no Truth -- but hey, they MIGHT be shills instead; I just personally doubt it) ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

What I do think is that they avoid CERTAIN issues, such as the constant evidence of P 2 F-remasnry & Vat-can presence in big events. They also only question I-ersael so far. And the Queens of UK & Dutch get off pretty easy.
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I would think that for her problem haloperidol would be more appropriate.
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I'd go with an atypical antipsychotic first.

Wouldn't want to risk tardive dyskinesia.

Though I'm sure there are people who would probably say she deserves it.
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What I do think is that they avoid CERTAIN issues, such as the constant evidence of P 2 F-remasnry & Vat-can presence in big events. They also only question I-ersael so far. And the Queens of UK & Dutch get off pretty easy.
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All right.

I'm done with you.
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Sad.... from the Ning:

Now, I have personally been through a zeta white lie... where I packed up all my belongings in South Korea and sat in a bus stop waiting for the polar shift to take place... The zetas may have had a good laugh at the time.



If she/he got burned in '03 and is still buying into ZetaTalk, there's nothing any of us can say that will change anything.

What I've learned from the Clare exchange is that I guess I'm not really that sympathetic with the people buying into Nancy's spiel after all.

I'm not that bothered about being called an unenlightened shill and or about someone from NASA being told they're going to reincarnate as an octopus.

But this crap about the plane crash victim's family's being paid to pretend they were related to the victims really gets under my skin. Those are people who lost loved ones and had no choice about what happened.

And for many years I entertained the possibility that the official 911 story might not be on the level so I'm not some knee jerk apologist.

But this crosses a line that a lot of the other woo woo doesn't.


Right. It crosses the lines of both credibility AND decency.

Menow, you were never sympathetic to people who think Nancy has a message for us. I am, though I don't believe some at all, and I only *incline* to some of it.
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You confuse possible sympathy for people with sympathy for what Nancy or they are saying is true.

As to victim families: they were, it seems, not real families.
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What do you mean, not real? I KNEW some of the people who got busted for constructing a retreat in the national forest in the NW US to same themselves from PX.

Do you know how many agents were sympathetic to Bush and the wars? Or are amoral?
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WTF does that have to do with anything I said?

The photo composites I never noticed myself; I knew of the passenger list problems. Now that I have seen that cut-paste on the young man on old man's body, and so many of the same type faces with different "bleeds" of features, I am inclined to suspect the whole thing was set up. They seem -- from this evidence -- to have bloated the #s of WTC deaths, and created passengers, just as they used patsies for the hijackers PLUS stolen identities, as evidenced by outraged people in Saudi Arabia calling to say they were there and still alive, and someone had taken their name or photo.
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Blah, blah, blah...
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But you can do your own research with the links I've posted. I have never advocated taking ALL of all of them. .


I've looked at the first few minutes of several of your Youtube links, debunked them completely and gotten no response whatsoever from you.

They all contained distortions and falsehoods of such a magnitude that it is extremely difficult to believe they weren't intentional.

I'm certainly not going to bother wading through the rest of it.

You need help.

Seriously.
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You didn't debunk anything.

The photos are doubles in some cases. Others are morphs claimed to be different people. LOOK at them.

And parallax problems in the "live" footage scenarios of WTC are absolute optical proofs.

And so on.

Don't claim what you have not done.

...............

The only "falsehoods and distortions" of the salient issues are in your mind's resistance to the photo evidence. The issue of actor family members who've infiltrated the victim groups FOLLOWS the photo fakery deduction.

Not the other way around.

No one is "just positing" the families are fake. Rather, the PHOTOS don't work in some cases, and so some family fakery becomes necessary to posit, as does understanding the passenger list incongruities, the fact 11 and 77 were originally not listed for Sept 11 flights, and all flights were still listed active for months and years later.

Etc.

Deal with THAT and then you see that a few famous "fundraising" family members are actors. We might misidentify one or two, but the ones with the fake, double photos, or anything close to a morph of another victim, must be suspected.

Of course, ONE side of a morph could be genuine, esp. in NYC.

We will not have proper legal investigation without interference, so we will never know some details of family ctors vs. not. But if they are going around with 2 photos and composites, they're fake.
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So, is that something they would have learned to do in the flight training they took?

You wouldn't be able to fly from Airfield A to Airfield B without that skill.
book


I thought they only learned basic skills in/for small planes.

Right.
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Actually, I was corrected on that... by people I trust for accuracy far more than I do you.


And some couldn't even pass.

Like Oswald -- but he was a skilled agent, actually -- they were being kept on hand for different assignments. The ones who were real. Others were stolen identities from Saudi Arabia.
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See above.
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What I do think is that they avoid CERTAIN issues, such as the constant evidence of P 2 F-remasnry & Vat-can presence in big events. They also only question I-ersael so far. And the Queens of UK & Dutch get off pretty easy.


All right.

I'm done with you.
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Oh, did I touch some nerve?

Do some research on the who's who of big assassinations. Research P2 Lodge, and JFK, and Is-rel and 9/11, and Vat0cn high-ups in major world events like hiding Nazis, present in funding for JFK, etc. The point is, you can have NO SACRED COWS when you're a detective.

Some of the research in EACH of those fields is suspect or wrong. Some is consistent, historical and usually just not CONNECTED to other events in your own mind, so you don't see the links and continuity.

Not my fault. Keep searchin'. But I AM NOT SAYING ALL OF ALL THE WORK IS CORRECT. Some of it is.
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As to victim families: they were, it seems, not real families.


What do you mean, not real? I KNEW some of the people who got busted for constructing a retreat in the national forest in the NW US to same themselves from PX.


Do you know how many agents were sympathetic to Bush and the wars? Or are amoral?


WTF does that have to do with anything I said?


The photo composites I never noticed myself; I knew of the passenger list problems. Now that I have seen that cut-paste on the young man on old man's body, and so many of the same type faces with different "bleeds" of features, I am inclined to suspect the whole thing was set up. They seem -- from this evidence -- to have bloated the #s of WTC deaths, and created passengers, just as they used patsies for the hijackers PLUS stolen identities, as evidenced by outraged people in Saudi Arabia calling to say they were there and still alive, and someone had taken their name or photo.


Blah, blah, blah...
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No, true true true. Watch, look. If you avert your eyes you're thrown off the jury. You have to actually look at the evidence of all hypotheses.

As to the victims and Bush and so on: I was not talking of Zetas/PX there.
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I'm sure you're going to weasel out of this in a few pages, but you are now claiming that Bob McIlvaine and Donna Marsh O'Oonnor, WHO ARE APPARENTLY "TRUTHERS" are actually paid actors and did not have children who died on 911?

That's what's on that video you just posted.

There's some twisted shit going in with that video, with you and with this subject in general.

The Shill game goes both ways, sweetheart.


By the way, I COMMENTED on this already when I first posted it. I said there were problems with that and they end up suspecting everyone, and that's FINE but not all will show up as frauds in the end. I said that.

You are not reading carefully now. Well, I didn't on your other post, so I'll give ya this one.

When testing, EVERYTHING on 9/11 has to be tested, it turns out. This is my main point. And you guys haven't really.

Second, everyone should be under suspicion at some point. This is good. If only you guys were more on side with that; you would see what's in the vids and GET IT.

Third, some claims made during testing will fall. Some family will be real and some Truthers real.

////////

But since you clearly SAW the vid: did you notice the photos are doubles?

Now check out Bermas trying to "wave his hands" emotionally and say plane fakery is silly and the victims can't have been added to and some family members be fake ... (my guess is, unlike some, and the video maker above, that Jones and Bermas are well intentioned and really, like some of you, just have so much cognitive dissonance on the issue ... so they think it'll divide people and we'll get no Truth -- but hey, they MIGHT be shills instead; I just personally doubt it) ...

[link to www.youtube.com]

What I do think is that they avoid CERTAIN issues, such as the constant evidence of P 2 F-remasnry & Vat-can presence in big events. They also only question I-ersael so far. And the Queens of UK & Dutch get off pretty easy.
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Clare, you still amaze me with your energy and stamina . . . me thinks the debunkers are amazed also. I have serious doubts about the 911 Commission Report and several other things but, I admit I do not have your energy or tenacity to be attacked about it at this time . . . so I will say no more except that not everyone thinks like this group of debunkers thinks. So don't give up . . . I have to save my energy to take them on the Chemtrail debate. Cheers!
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WHY THE HIJACKERS HAVE TO BE FAKE ------ too many reasons. All would have to fall, before the problem would go away. They're all really incongruous problems. Only one has to be true.

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WHY DOES THIS FAKE BITCH CLARE HAVE TO HIJACK THIS THREAD?? Fuck! She is managing to do what neither Max, nor Luser, nor Freestore nor Nancy herself could, destroy this thread. As long as people feed her, she will continue to kill it with her irrational and disrespectful drivel.
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No. There was something maybe like a missile or Skycraft warrior which hit. That's it.

I see that get thrown around a lot but one thing that is never
asked is this: If it was a missile or something similar where
was it fired from and why didn't anyone notice the launch?
rockets are VERY noticeable when they are set off.
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Possibly off shore . . . a surfaced sub?
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What I do think is that they avoid CERTAIN issues, such as the constant evidence of P 2 F-remasnry & Vat-can presence in big events. They also only question I-ersael so far. And the Queens of UK & Dutch get off pretty easy.

You realize that you just jumped the shark, don't you?
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She may be too young to know what that means . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Another thing re.:

What I do think is that they avoid CERTAIN issues, such as the constant evidence of P 2 F-remasnry & Vat-can presence in big events. They also only question I-ersael so far. And the Queens of UK & Dutch get off pretty easy.


All right.

I'm done with you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

By the way, my background was partly history. OLD POWER DIES HARD and morphs -- pun intended.

When the Jes-uts were banned by Clement XIII they murdered him and came back. But it's not official history: his corpse's 1-day-old death with black nails, face, and exploding intestines are, though, if you look at the full records, and that's the Borgia poison.

[link to one-evil.org]

BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO FIND THIS.

As to some of the Jes-iuts being assassins as well as scholars you can do your own research. They and the Order of Mal->ta are all over the Nazi thing, were founder beind Prince Berhnard of the Dutch (linked to City of London and Netherlands "Orangemen" banking fascism) who was the figurehead founder of Bilderberg ... etc.

Now you think these old powers didn't plot the downfall of kings? Their descendents aren't trained? Prince Philip of the current Queen of UK was trained at the top Nazi school and the records of her uncle writing to secure the fascist son for his niece, were sent for by Eliz. to cover it up. The name of the school is known, but not the letters, except by experts who follow these things.

You have to realize the families have secrets and beliefs which don't match ours. Not all persons are awful in them, but beliefs matching greed and might-is-right power CONTINUE.

Same at the old centre of power, the V. --- Some of these things are continuing through schooling, recruiting, corruption, and power brokering. WAKE UP -- lol! The world is full of this stuff. Always has been.

BUT NOT ALL CLAIMS IN ALL THESE FIELDS ARE PERFECT. Some mistakes are in them, but some things are clear: and the continuance of old money and power if possible, with their cloaks and daggers, into modern guises (though with some kooky ceremonial histrionics left over, too) is QUITE THE NORM of human history. And there's plenty of evidence.

But as with all these things, dear AC from Australia, SOME MEMBERS have no idea; others are just interested in some grand idea and don't realize the implications of what they are linked to; others know a lot or something specific; others are really into it all. Etc.
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Possibly off shore . . . a surfaced sub?

In the Potomac River? Surely you jest. If it was
a cruise missile it would have been noticed. Ever
see the films taken in Baghdad of those sub-launched
cruise missiles inbound by news crews?
 Quoting: DrPostman

No over the horizon . . . think bigger and more conspiratorial . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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You realize that you just jumped the shark, don't you?

She may be too young to know what that means . . .
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Look carefully and you can see Queen Beatrix in the background wearing a bikini covered with swastikas.

However, there are some parallax problems.
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A few clicks and you will see that Weishaupt of the Illuminati group formed and disbanded in the late 18th cent. (disbanded only in Bavaria, for its warnings went unheeded elsewhere, just as you are ignoring it) was not only linked to the German nobility and Masonic lodges and Rothc-ds bankers, and England therefore, but also was himself a J-esuti.

Cloak and dagger power politics.

So anyway, my point was Jones and Bermas have censored talk of this connection to events (you can find clips of these callers and the Prisonplanet responses).

Now why?

1. Undue diligence makes them think it's kooky.
2. They don't dare.
3. They are shills.

I tend not to think the latter, though some people think they are b/c of their suppression of such things. I think personally rather they are more ordinary conspiracy researchers who have cognitive dissonance about some issues. But I don't know. So your point that the shill game goes both ways is fine and I ALSO BELIEVE IT.

I just think in some cases we don't know for sure who is and isn't. But all should be questioned in our minds, in case.

That's why I said the video on the 9/11 actor family members goes too far in being SURE that all the 9/11 truther leaders are corrupt but that I had no problem with their questioning the possibility in every case.

So you -- as usual -- missed my complexity of understanding, not the other way around on this issue. Not that I'm perfect, but that I already get those subtleties.

Hence, when I say a video is interesting and families have to be partly faked for 9/11, it's serious and only linked to the fakery of the photos; from there, we have to conclude some are fake members of "families" doing the rounds.
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You realize that you just jumped the shark, don't you?

She may be too young to know what that means . . .






Look carefully and you can see Queen Beatrix in the background wearing a bikini covered with swastikas.

However, there are some parallax problems.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Yah I didn't know that one.

:)

Thanks, George for the fair point.

As to Beatrix: look into her father, Prince Philip's education, the fascist uncle of the Queen (same old power brokering) and Bilderberg and the Je-ui-ts.

Nazism was ONE manifestation of imperial-financier control brokering by oligarchs. The latter now include private corporate leaders but also old money and power centres.

Mussolini's cheques from the British Foreign Office have now been discovered by UK researchers.

Churchill's diary for the days around Pearl Harbor are STILL CLASSIFIED. Guy Fawkes and buddies were patsies. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Real history is littered with this stuff, but some myths are maintained in spite of what else is acknowledged.

Most biographies, and histories, etc. (as Alex Jones pointed out at one point, about "The Rise of the Third Reich") contain all kinds of facts which show the links. But the COMMENTS in the text don't make it clear who the person was, i.e., what their background was. A person will be mentioned at an event, or as a business partner, or whatever, but THEIR CONNECTIONS left unstated.

It takes others to make that clear for you.

Mistakes happen and kooky people (personally kooky) do SOME of the work, but the gist stands on its own merits.
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No over the horizon . . . think bigger and more conspiratorial . . .

With a hell of a lot better chances of being noticed.
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You are forgetting stealth . . . and terrain following technology . . . unless there were AWACS in the air it could have gotten through.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B