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And you know what? ONE COPIED/PASTED PHOTO HEAD is already a rat.

Beamer is one; Honor Elizabeth Wanio is another; so are many many more.
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YOUR evidence falls apart with cross examination. The photo fakery doesn't.

So to be completely rational about this -- I mean COMPLETELY mental-process oriented about this --

For your hypothesis to be true, real family are carrying pasted heads for "some reason".

For this hypothesis I present to be true, the reason is explained as planted photos and a few poseur family members and a corrupted university official and fits with what we know is a) possible, b) common in intelligence circles.

Think this through without emotional bias.

We know SOME people died that day. Most didn't.
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Along with a number of other extremely well documented passengers.

You're as nutty as the poster who sees people having dinner parties on the moon in NASA photos.


Well documented? By whom?
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[link to www.post-gazette.com]

[link to www.unitedheroes.com]

[link to www.findagrave.com]



You're really a disgusting creep. Just calling it the way it is.
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Well documented? By whom?




[link to www.post-gazette.com]

[link to www.unitedheroes.com]

[link to www.findagrave.com]



You're really a disgusting creep. Just calling it the way it is.
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:))

I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.

The photos are copied/pasted and morphed in these cases.

That stands. Do you dispute that fact specifically, or only say that they can't be because someone says the person was real? That's not scientific.

For your position to be true, these people are carrying "family member" heads pasted on other photos for "some reason". WHY?

For my position to be true, the photos have a reason: they are part of a plant family member scenario.

Mine trumps yours because the FACES WERE PASTED (some were smudged and morphed into others, too).
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I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.

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Who SPECIFICALLY is an intelligence agent, co-opted or duped?

Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Her co-workers? Her friends? Her family?
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The photos are copied/pasted and morphed in these cases.

That stands. Do you dispute that fact specifically, or only say that they can't be because someone says the person was real? That's not scientific.

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SCIENTIFIC?

ROTFLMAO!

Let's limit this to Honor Elizabeth Wainio so you don't start gyrating all over the map as usual.

I don't see any evidence of "morphed" photos.

I do see the same picture appearing in several places, but what the hell does that prove?
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Haha. Nancy is still falling for obvious traps. Here is a lie I posted on the ning to see if she would try to substantiate my claims or if the Zetas would decline to address. I mean they are all knowing, so they should be smart and in tune enough to know when someone is setting Nancy up to make a fool of herself. Well, as we know, she substantiates nothing before putting her foot in it, and the Zetas don't discern, because they don't exists outside her diseased mind:

Nancy I have lived in the same house for 30 years. The moon used to shine every night in my bedroom window, but not anymore. I don't know when it changed, but I noticed in March. I looked from the other rooms on my house and now I see the moon only in the bathroom in the window that looks south. My bedroom window is in the west. Is this normal or is it the pole shift. Thank you and the zetas for all you do!


And of course, this is what Nancy replied:
The Moon has had an erratic orbit since 2004 or so.

So then I asked another question in rebuttal:
Thank you Nancy, but I wonder why it didn't change before now if its been happening since 2004. I go to bed at the same time every night and the moon was always shining in my window when I got into bed. The change is only recent.

And of course, she replied with this:
Planet X came into our inner solar system in 2003, and has been creeping closer to us ever since, not outbound and has us in a grip before it. Thus, this influence on the Moon has steadily increased.


ROFLMAO. Now comments are closed for that "chat", but I'm sure one of her kooks will read this and I will be banned from the ning. Nancy Lieder, still making a fool of herself and proving Zetas can't even tell a real question from a trap.
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Dear Sir, there is, to comfort you, the possibility that some of these purported fakes are not. There are some which are inconclusive but suggestive of fakery. These ones would be part of the charges but some would fall in the end.

Beamer and Wanio are definite paste-heads though. So THOSE ones should find the family member subpoenaed and their college leaders -- they HAVE to be fake.

When you really look at the evidence, AC, it is so.

It's ugly, but not me for suspecting it. (Some people are morbid and just want to be weirdly nasty, but it's not *most* detective types.) I am interested in just the facts. And from that, we must build our hypotheses.

In fact, again, any photo fakes trump family claims.

We know Oswald had several different "families" over time, different identities (schools) etc.

This game is old.
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The photos are copied/pasted and morphed in these cases.

That stands. Do you dispute that fact specifically, or only say that they can't be because someone says the person was real? That's not scientific.



SCIENTIFIC?

ROTFLMAO!

Let's limit this to Honor Elizabeth Wainio so you don't start gyrating all over the map as usual.

I don't see any evidence of "morphed" photos.

I do see the same picture appearing in several places, but what the hell does that prove?
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Before you loose your "A",

when I said morphed "in these cases" the context was the totality, not Wanio.

As to "the same photo" it's NOT. This is where you are not scientific.

Look at the backgrounds and position.

The head from the bottle-holding photo, was flipped and pasted onto a background with white shelves, and also another one with stuff on those shelves.

3 photos from 1. And then 3 more! with same head too on different dresses and sweaters (with one of those having no change in hair, and another having no change except shortened on one side with a brushed-in whitish highlight).

[link to septemberclues.info]

...................

Next, Todd. Same thing: 2 photos from 1.

Next ...

and so on.

Some are not as conclusive. And some have had slight airbrushing effects and a bit of a morph as well.

...................

Then there are the photos of "different people" with the same heads, lips, nose, but different eyes, and so on. THOSE are morphs, more completely, not just pasted.

Your evidence has other explanation. This does not -- unless it's a "loose end with co-incidence" that the family members of Todd and Wanio are carrying duplicate-head photos.
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I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.



Who SPECIFICALLY is an intelligence agent, co-opted or duped?

Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Her co-workers? Her friends? Her family?
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Well, seeing as we can't subpoena them and those in the area to see if others "remember her" ... we cannot know EXCEPT that the person carrying the fake photos has to know something. And usually it's that person who is the only person in public about the "deceased".

School official of some kind -- not necessarily the top, since they may not realize it and someone else does the dirty planting and "shows" it to the busy president or whatever --

and so forth.

Those are details of prosecution.

What matters for US is to realize the faked photos trump stories and claims of families. There are not as many "family members" for these people as you might think; some have never been confirmed (passenger lists, etc.), and so on.

For us, since we won't be able to know exactly if it was the butler, maid, or whoever who set up the "murder" (pun intended), it is good enough to know that it was a murder -- of reality.
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Remember, a morph is only a more intelligent finder of features for doing an old idea: photo overlay with touch-up. And you can do a few more touch ups after, too.

[link to septemberclues.info]

Notice teeth: flipped, or airbrished. A lip drawn up and a neck angle chaned but no other difference ... the comparisons go on.

In the first section after Wanio, you'll see a "Brian Murphy". Note his face is flipped and the teeth flip with it, too, but in one the eyes have been doctored (the bad, black/white photo).

As to the morphs: check out about 1/2 way down the page:

FDNY:

David Fontana/Thomas Hannaflin (morph and one specific cut job: note the ear change on left ear: just cut off the outer ridge and it looks like a different angle, too)

Andre Fletcher/Keith Glascoe (obvious morph -- photo overlay with touch-up)

But my FAVOURITE LAUGH (if I'm going to admire the sloppiness of this fakery -- not be a disgusting person as you claimed and revel in the evil of it all) is:

MICHAEL BOCCHINO AND MICHAEL CARROLL!

Pior and Mulligan are good (bad fakes) too, and the whole section there is good.

Now THESE, dear AC, are worth LYAO.

Except they also make you feel sick, if you don't understand the planning of fake id work -- it's an old game and to the people in it, it is a game.

Some may not have known, when they did it, what the operation was for. This happened to those involved in the badge fakery for the false ids in Dallas for the killing of JFK.

Compartmentalized, plus a few more amoral people who will act a family member.
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Remember: he may have made a mistake in some cases: there are some which are less conclusive. I think Hickey and Maffeo is one such comparison.

But many are clear.

And some are HAVE to be: such as Wanio and a few others.

The point is ...

if firefighters died in several hundered, a few could be added and not specified as to where they worked, a corrupt FDNY official working with FBI (who so long wanted to take over the police and fire services with plants, that some years ago it was semi-open news) ...

Think of it.

Not too hard. Ugly emotionally, but not hard to do, to think of (for some people) and to compartmentalize.

They WANT WAR. (Crazy, but true.)

And ...
They already faked the plane videos. Why not some passengers/victims?

Really. To get millions more dead for multiple purposes of political and economic power.
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Note the good intent of this work (and me, too!!):

This is the DISCLAIMER: We believe any possible casualties of 9/11 should be investigated. To this end, we ask anyone in possession of any evidence of real people disappearing to come forward. Because of the fraudulent reporting now standardized in the media, true testimonies are required from anyone connected to the events of 9/11. If you have such testimony please visit our page on recommended actions.


They care. They want the truth. So do I. Don't you? Come on, dear person. Wake up and brush aside the fakery in life.
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I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.



Who SPECIFICALLY is an intelligence agent, co-opted or duped?

Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Her co-workers? Her friends? Her family?

Well, seeing as we can't subpoena them and those in the area to see if others "remember her" ... we cannot know EXCEPT that the person carrying the fake photos has to know something. And usually it's that person who is the only person in public about the "deceased".

 Quoting: mclarek 986233


One couldn't start from the biographies below and easily find hundreds if not thousands of witnesses and an irrefutable paper trail documenting the existence of Honor Elizabeth Wainio?


[link to www.post-gazette.com]

[link to www.unitedheroes.com]

[link to www.findagrave.com]


What kind of "detective" are you?

Oh, that's right, a watching-youtubes-in-the-basement-at-Moose-Piss-Acres detective.

What a tool.
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Haha. Nancy is still falling for obvious traps. Here is a lie I posted on the ning to see if she would try to substantiate my claims or if the Zetas would decline to address. I mean they are all knowing, so they should be smart and in tune enough to know when someone is setting Nancy up to make a fool of herself. Well, as we know, she substantiates nothing before putting her foot in it, and the Zetas don't discern, because they don't exists outside her diseased mind:

Nancy I have lived in the same house for 30 years. The moon used to shine every night in my bedroom window, but not anymore. I don't know when it changed, but I noticed in March. I looked from the other rooms on my house and now I see the moon only in the bathroom in the window that looks south. My bedroom window is in the west. Is this normal or is it the pole shift. Thank you and the zetas for all you do!


And of course, this is what Nancy replied:
The Moon has had an erratic orbit since 2004 or so.

So then I asked another question in rebuttal:
Thank you Nancy, but I wonder why it didn't change before now if its been happening since 2004. I go to bed at the same time every night and the moon was always shining in my window when I got into bed. The change is only recent.

And of course, she replied with this:
Planet X came into our inner solar system in 2003, and has been creeping closer to us ever since, not outbound and has us in a grip before it. Thus, this influence on the Moon has steadily increased.


ROFLMAO. Now comments are closed for that "chat", but I'm sure one of her kooks will read this and I will be banned from the ning. Nancy Lieder, still making a fool of herself and proving Zetas can't even tell a real question from a trap.
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ah well.....i'm not real sure that the format will work...still...it is her deal and her thang....
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No over the horizon . . . think bigger and more conspiratorial . . .

With a hell of a lot better chances of being noticed.

You are forgetting stealth . . . and terrain following technology . . . unless there were AWACS in the air it could have gotten through.



So now you posit a low radar cross section cruise missile with terrain mapping?

Was it invisible in the visible spectrum too? Remember stealth technology only works across a very narrow spectrum of wavelengths.

Got a slightest shred of reputable evidence for this latest brain fart?
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Anyone using a cruse missle to do the work we are talking about also knows other Stealth technologies . . .

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

AcousticsEarly stealth observation aircraft used slow-turning propellers to avoid being heard by enemy troops below. Stealth aircraft that stay subsonic can avoid being tracked by sonic boom. The presence of supersonic and jet-powered stealth aircraft such as the SR-71 Blackbird indicates that acoustic signature is not always a major driver in aircraft design, although the Blackbird relied more on its extremely high speed and altitude.

VisibilityThe simplest stealth technology is simply camouflage; the use of paint or other materials to color and break up the lines of the vehicle or person.

Most stealth aircraft use matte paint and dark colors, and operate only at night. Lately, interest on daylight Stealth (especially by the USAF) has emphasized the use of gray paint in disruptive schemes, and it is assumed that Yehudi lights could be used in the future to mask shadows in the airframe (in daylight, against the clear background of the sky, dark tones are easier to detect than light ones) or as a sort of active camouflage. The original B-2 design had wing tanks for a contrail-inhibiting chemical, alleged by some to be chlorofluorosulphonic acid[3], but this was replaced in the final design with a contrail sensor from Ophir that alerts the pilot when he should change altitude[20] and mission planning also considers altitudes where the probability of their formation is minimized.

InfraredAn exhaust plume contributes a significant infrared signature. One means of reducing the IR signature is to have a non-circular tail pipe (a slit shape) in order to minimize the exhaust cross-sectional volume and maximize the mixing of the hot exhaust with cool ambient air. Often, cool air is deliberately injected into the exhaust flow to boost this process. Sometimes, the jet exhaust is vented above the wing surface in order to shield it from observers below, as in the B-2 Spirit, and the unstealthy A-10 Thunderbolt II. To achieve infrared stealth, the exhaust gas is cooled to the temperatures where the brightest wavelengths it radiates on are absorbed by atmospheric carbon dioxide and water vapor, dramatically reducing the infrared visibility of the exhaust plume. [4] Another way to reduce the exhaust temperature is to circulate coolant fluids such as fuel inside the exhaust pipe, where the fuel tanks serve as heat sinks cooled by the flow of air along the wings.
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One couldn't start from the biographies below and easily find hundreds if not thousands of witnesses and an irrefutable paper trail documenting the existence of Honor Elizabeth Wainio?


[link to www.post-gazette.com]

[link to www.unitedheroes.com]

[link to www.findagrave.com]


What kind of "detective" are you?

Oh, that's right, a watching-youtubes-in-the-basement-at-Moose-Piss-Acres detective.

What a tool.
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If she's real you would. We have no record of her in the SSDI.

And the photos are faked.

The fact a few people are claiming her is not bedrock evidence.

The photos prove she's faked. Same with many others. Most do NOT have "massive" evidence. And in the case for her, we have ONE family and a few university heads claiming it. That's it. Some may simply be as gullible as you and assume she was once there; that whittles down to a few real shills.

The photos cannot be explained any other way. You try! Go ahead: fake photos and real family. Hm.

Doesn't work, does it?

Just the fact you look at one database and family does NOT prove the existence of the person - and you still have to account for the same face on 6 photos. SAME face, hair (except one side shorter).

And all the rest.

Not that much evidence on your side. Lots here. And more weighty than family claimants, for people lie. Photos -- in some cases -- do not lie about having been faked.

Go back to the drawing board on your hypothesis. Media appearances of a family member and a university Web page for a memorial. Everything else not proven.
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Note the good intent of this work (and me, too!!):

This is the DISCLAIMER: We believe any possible casualties of 9/11 should be investigated. To this end, we ask anyone in possession of any evidence of real people disappearing to come forward. Because of the fraudulent reporting now standardized in the media, true testimonies are required from anyone connected to the events of 9/11. If you have such testimony please visit our page on recommended actions.


They care. They want the truth. So do I. Don't you? Come on, dear person. Wake up and brush aside the fakery in life.
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If I lost a loved one on 911, the last thing in the world I'd want to do was have any contact with you or any of your delusional associates.

Frankly, I'd be pissed off beyond belief at the above announcement and the other nonsense you've been spouting.
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One couldn't start from the biographies below and easily find hundreds if not thousands of witnesses and an irrefutable paper trail documenting the existence of Honor Elizabeth Wainio?
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Do you know anything about planted stories?

And do you know anything about lying witnesses?

Under circumstances of faked photos and no SSDI record, in the middle of a major intelligence op to get war, assume the "irrefutable paper trail" is irrefutably paper

... and the photo sexduplicate (if that's a word: there are 6 photos of the same exact face, one airbrushed with a slightly different hair on one side, shorter) ...

is the real smoking gun.

By the way, she's not alone here: there are many others. AND problems in the paper trail you mention: the passenger lists are not official and were bouncing names and total numbers around.

Fake op.
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Note the good intent of this work (and me, too!!):

This is the DISCLAIMER: We believe any possible casualties of 9/11 should be investigated. To this end, we ask anyone in possession of any evidence of real people disappearing to come forward. Because of the fraudulent reporting now standardized in the media, true testimonies are required from anyone connected to the events of 9/11. If you have such testimony please visit our page on recommended actions.


They care. They want the truth. So do I. Don't you? Come on, dear person. Wake up and brush aside the fakery in life.



If I lost a loved one on 911, the last thing in the world I'd want to do was have any contact with you or any of your delusional associates.

Frankly, I'd be pissed off beyond belief at the above announcement and the other nonsense you've been spouting.
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Some are more honest.

Some have faced the level of crap the gov't traitors pulled.

We should have the real witnesses come forward. Real people have more than a news story about them and same-faced photos.

:))

You are thinking with your emotions. Think with your head AND THEN your emotions to reconcile it. It's ugly but it's there for you to see.

[link to septemberclues.info]
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One couldn't start from the biographies below and easily find hundreds if not thousands of witnesses and an irrefutable paper trail documenting the existence of Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Do you know anything about planted stories?

And do you know anything about lying witnesses?
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[link to www.post-gazette.com]

She had enjoyed a meteoric rise in the ranks of the Discovery Channel outlets, starting as a store manager in Baltimore two years earlier, becoming the top-performing regional manager in the 170-store chain, and then ascending to regional manager for New York and New Jersey

You don't think that the briefest of investigation into just this one aspect of her biography wouldn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that she existed?

But of course, we couldn't expect you to stoop to that in your great "detective" work before tarnishing this woman's name on the internet.

No, a youtube video on "Vicsim Morphing" some kid chopped together in the basement is good enough for you.
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Note the good intent of this work (and me, too!!):

This is the DISCLAIMER: We believe any possible casualties of 9/11 should be investigated. To this end, we ask anyone in possession of any evidence of real people disappearing to come forward. Because of the fraudulent reporting now standardized in the media, true testimonies are required from anyone connected to the events of 9/11. If you have such testimony please visit our page on recommended actions.


They care. They want the truth. So do I. Don't you? Come on, dear person. Wake up and brush aside the fakery in life.



If I lost a loved one on 911, the last thing in the world I'd want to do was have any contact with you or any of your delusional associates.

Frankly, I'd be pissed off beyond belief at the above announcement and the other nonsense you've been spouting.

Some are more honest.

Some have faced the level of crap the gov't traitors pulled.

We should have the real witnesses come forward. Real people have more than a news story about them and same-faced photos.

:))

You are thinking with your emotions. Think with your head AND THEN your emotions to reconcile it. It's ugly but it's there for you to see.

[link to septemberclues.info]
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

And you just aren't thinking. Honestly. September Clues? Alex Jones? YouTube videos? Super sleuth whistleblower you are not. Do governments and official sources lie? Of course, but there are just as many lies on the other extreme. You are trading one delusion for another, and in the process you disrespect people that have had their real lives turned upsidedown forever. The truth is always somewhere in between two extremes, and there are real things happening all around you, beyond your computer screen that you might be able to change or prevent if your attention wasn't wasted in futile pursuits.
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No over the horizon . . . think bigger and more conspiratorial . . .

With a hell of a lot better chances of being noticed.

You are forgetting stealth . . . and terrain following technology . . . unless there were AWACS in the air it could have gotten through.



So now you posit a low radar cross section cruise missile with terrain mapping?

Was it invisible in the visible spectrum too? Remember stealth technology only works across a very narrow spectrum of wavelengths.

Got a slightest shred of reputable evidence for this latest brain fart?

Anyone using a cruse missle to do the work we are talking about also knows other Stealth technologies . . .

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

AcousticsEarly stealth observation aircraft used slow-turning propellers to avoid being heard by enemy troops below. Stealth aircraft that stay subsonic can avoid being tracked by sonic boom. The presence of supersonic and jet-powered stealth aircraft such as the SR-71 Blackbird indicates that acoustic signature is not always a major driver in aircraft design, although the Blackbird relied more on its extremely high speed and altitude.

VisibilityThe simplest stealth technology is simply camouflage; the use of paint or other materials to color and break up the lines of the vehicle or person.

Most stealth aircraft use matte paint and dark colors, and operate only at night. Lately, interest on daylight Stealth (especially by the USAF) has emphasized the use of gray paint in disruptive schemes, and it is assumed that Yehudi lights could be used in the future to mask shadows in the airframe (in daylight, against the clear background of the sky, dark tones are easier to detect than light ones) or as a sort of active camouflage. The original B-2 design had wing tanks for a contrail-inhibiting chemical, alleged by some to be chlorofluorosulphonic acid[3], but this was replaced in the final design with a contrail sensor from Ophir that alerts the pilot when he should change altitude[20] and mission planning also considers altitudes where the probability of their formation is minimized.

InfraredAn exhaust plume contributes a significant infrared signature. One means of reducing the IR signature is to have a non-circular tail pipe (a slit shape) in order to minimize the exhaust cross-sectional volume and maximize the mixing of the hot exhaust with cool ambient air. Often, cool air is deliberately injected into the exhaust flow to boost this process. Sometimes, the jet exhaust is vented above the wing surface in order to shield it from observers below, as in the B-2 Spirit, and the unstealthy A-10 Thunderbolt II. To achieve infrared stealth, the exhaust gas is cooled to the temperatures where the brightest wavelengths it radiates on are absorbed by atmospheric carbon dioxide and water vapor, dramatically reducing the infrared visibility of the exhaust plume. [4] Another way to reduce the exhaust temperature is to circulate coolant fluids such as fuel inside the exhaust pipe, where the fuel tanks serve as heat sinks cooled by the flow of air along the wings.
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Except the witnesses saw a large, commercial transport aircraft, not a cruise missile.

Guess that shoots down your hypothesis.
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Along with a number of other extremely well documented passengers.

You're as nutty as the poster who sees people having dinner parties on the moon in NASA photos.


Well documented? By whom?




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You're really a disgusting creep. Just calling it the way it is.
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Hey guys...isn't it time to lay off poor Clare? You've already decimated every claim she's made and shown her "evidence" to be nothing but the product of kooks and crazies. Letting this slaughter go on doesn't do anyone any good. Any lurkers have already seen how shallow she is.
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I've been unfair and presumptuous in asking Clare to post pics when I have done no such thing.

So, in the interest of fairness, I give you my own image and likeness, for all to view:



IMAGE ( [link to i45.tinypic.com] )

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It was on Page 604, Clare.

Posting images here is easy. First, you open a free account at somewhere like tinypic (www.tinypic.com). Then ypou upload your images to that account, and you insert the link to the images here at GLP. At tinypic, after you upload anything, a box appears beside it labeled 'code to link from bulletin board, etc.' You just copy and past that code into your GLP post and viola, the image link appear to us.

I'm hurt that I haven't even been missed in 15 pages of furious arguing. Deeply hurt. Wounded, even.

I must now go cover myseklf in damp leaves and mope.
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No over the horizon . . . think bigger and more conspiratorial . . .
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Commentator,

I was just playing along with DrPostman . . . I have no real theory on any of the Pentagon. Except to say that was one heck of a lucky shot to hit the building a few feet off the ground.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.



Who SPECIFICALLY is an intelligence agent, co-opted or duped?
Honor Elizabeth Wainio?
Her co-workers? Her friends? Her family?

We must be well into many thousands of people that are all
keeping a perfect silence in her idea of this perfect conspiracy.

That just doesn't work. People talk, yet not a single one of
these people she claims are keeping silent has come forward.
That just doesn't add up, yet without the perfect silence her
claims fall to pieces.






I was just playing along with DrPostman . . . I have no real theory on any of the Pentagon. Except to say that was one heck of a lucky shot to hit the building a few feet off the ground.

Not when your intent is to crash into the side of a building.
 Quoting: DrPostman

It is going to be hard to test that one . . . do you have a few extra multi-engine passenger aircraft we can crash into some abandoned buildings using some half crazed fanatics? Detroit has the buildings, Braniff or TWA probably have a few aircraft unused . . . I'm sorry the fanatics are in short supply.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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OF COURSE you could be fooled to thinking there was a fake, if it was a weird co-incidence on one photo.

This is not what we have here. We have many different people with same-faced photos, and some (like Wanio) multiple (6) photos of the same face ...

Plus different people/faces with almost the same face, and only a few changes, plus airbrushing in some.

The case is clear, for some of these photos and for the total to be suspect.

If we could have a court case (a real one without interference), we could determine if a few co-incidences happened.

All the rest is a sloppy paper trail: no SSDI records for many -- though they could add them now -- and some tear-jerk stories. In real life, these might be real stories.

For your hypothesis to be true, the photos -- some of them clearly faked right off the bat knowable, and others visible as fakes once you look (with still others inconclusive yet) -- so again, for your hypothesis to be true, specific family claimants are carrying fake photos. Why?

For this hypothesis to be true, it was part of a plan, and done as many intelligence ops are done. And here, the reason for the fakes doesn't leave a question of why. The fakes are handled for what they are.

Look at Wanio. Then go 1/2 way down to the FDNY comparisons. Then go back to the others in the middle: SOME of them are more subtle; your eye must be careful on some of them to detect it. So start with the obvious ones and work forward.
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One couldn't start from the biographies below and easily find hundreds if not thousands of witnesses and an irrefutable paper trail documenting the existence of Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Do you know anything about planted stories?

And do you know anything about lying witnesses?


[link to www.post-gazette.com]

She had enjoyed a meteoric rise in the ranks of the Discovery Channel outlets, starting as a store manager in Baltimore two years earlier, becoming the top-performing regional manager in the 170-store chain, and then ascending to regional manager for New York and New Jersey

You don't think that the briefest of investigation into just this one aspect of her biography wouldn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that she existed?

But of course, we couldn't expect you to stoop to that in your great "detective" work before tarnishing this woman's name on the internet.

No, a youtube video on "Vicsim Morphing" some kid chopped together in the basement is good enough for you.
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If it were real, sure, the Post Gazette article could be authenticated for real. First, you are never going to get that investigation.

Second, the maker of the vid isn't the point -- and he's not a kid in a basement anyway. Ad hominem fallacy again.

The point is THE PICTURES DON'T LIE THAT THEY'RE FAKED.

Look at the comps. Someone's pulled them together. Look.

Go first to Wanio (top) then to the lower middle for the FDNY black-and-white comps. Then go back to the interspersed others: they're sometimes obvious and sometimes not so obvious unless you really look (flipped teeth in flipped head, etc.).

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You are thinking with your emotions. Think with your head AND THEN your emotions to reconcile it. It's ugly but it's there for you to see.

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And you just aren't thinking. Honestly. September Clues? Alex Jones? YouTube videos? Super sleuth whistleblower you are not. Do governments and official sources lie? Of course, but there are just as many lies on the other extreme. You are trading one delusion for another, and in the process you disrespect people that have had their real lives turned upsidedown forever. The truth is always somewhere in between two extremes, and there are real things happening all around you, beyond your computer screen that you might be able to change or prevent if your attention wasn't wasted in futile pursuits.
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Oh yes I'm thinking -- and HONESTLY thinking.

CHeck out Wanio's 6 same-face photos at top; then look at FDNY face comps in black and white in lower middle; then go back to the rest in between. Some of the in-between ones are easy to see, some not so easy (like face flip and teeth flip with it, in one case).

[link to septemberclues.info]

Don't be so sure some of these people had their lives turned upside down. Some might be getting nice fat payouts. Think it through. The photos HAVE to be fake in some cases; so keep going from there. Don't worry ... you will come out the other side but it hurts first. I am serious. Stop laughing and look ...

And don't trust the evidence which has other explanations -- like planted stories and a putative family member here or there. You say you know the agencies lie; you haven't a clue how much yet. It's really diabolical but it's very simple at root. A simple lie composed of complex lies.

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You assume that I haven't already looked at what you think is new evidence and discarded it because there's this thing I do called THINKING and weighing all sides before making up my mind. You should try it sometime, and maybe start your own thread, since you have taken over a thread about debunking Zetatalk.

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