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mclarek
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Except the witnesses saw a large, commercial transport aircraft, not a cruise missile.

Guess that shoots down your hypothesis.
 Quoting: The Commentator to George B

Some did, some did not.

Some (Citgo) said north side from west, the best position; others were thinking somewhere to the west, some thought south but some said north again.

[link to www.combatreform.org]

Guess that shoots down your over-reliance on un-cross-examined witnesses from bad positions.
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we tried actually talking to you clunk- and you were the one that didnt bother replying, page after page of your insane babbling instead so



Yes, that is true. And Clare totally ignored it. Hence, she's able to maintain false belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 986902

And where was this marvellous conversation? Or did you mean posts of incomplete debunker arguments?

They ARE incomplete and they DO NOT STAND in the face of the ABSOLUTE parallax disorder on 9/11 and the photo fakery of some victims.
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You're clearly not thinking at all now. Do some research and then get back to me.
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Some of them tend to do that: not think how things have to be if there's key evidence, AND not do enough research. So they can comfort themselves thinking they're superior to arguments.

They don't want to shake in their shoes -- re. my material.

And re. your identity: they flip off comments without comparing.

So, you now know how it feels.

Check this out even if you don't like me:
[link to septemberclues.info]

Wanio at top, then FDNY black and whites in middle, then up to the mixed bag above, where the fakery is obvious in some cases but only if you look carefully in others.
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We must be well into many thousands of people that are all
keeping a perfect silence in her idea of this perfect conspiracy.

That just doesn't work. People talk, yet not a single one of these people she claims are keeping silent has come forward.
That just doesn't add up, yet without the perfect silence her claims fall to pieces.
 Quoting: DrPostman


I didn't think thousands of people could be silent regarding the perfection of Stealth Technology and the operation of the 117 Stealth Fighter. Or earlier advanced weapons systems i.e. the SR71, U2, etc., etc. Fear of loss of income, fear of prison, patriotism, fear of physical harm to person or family can do a lot to keep your mouth shut. Plausible not impossible.

The Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk is a stealth ground attack aircraft formerly operated by the United States Air Force. The F-117A's first flight was in 1981, and it achieved initial operating capability status in October 1983.[1] The F-117A was "acknowledged" and revealed to the world in November 1988.[4] [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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I've been unfair and presumptuous in asking Clare to post pics when I have done no such thing.

So, in the interest of fairness, I give you my own image and likeness, for all to view:



IMAGE ( [link to i45.tinypic.com] )



It was on Page 604, Clare.

Posting images here is easy. First, you open a free account at somewhere like tinypic (www.tinypic.com). Then ypou upload your images to that account, and you insert the link to the images here at GLP. At tinypic, after you upload anything, a box appears beside it labeled 'code to link from bulletin board, etc.' You just copy and past that code into your GLP post and viola, the image link appear to us.

I'm hurt that I haven't even been missed in 15 pages of furious arguing. Deeply hurt. Wounded, even.

I must now go cover myseklf in damp leaves and mope.
 Quoting: Returner 993574

Oh.

Sorry -- I did wonder what happened to your comments on me. I thought you maybe were reading it all?

Check it out:
[link to septemberclues.info]

I'll try to post a pic. Not familiar with that process.
At some point. I am not really in the mood to give the vultures anything of me; one already warned (was that you?) about posting info about myself.

I just finished doing leaf raking, myself. Well, actually, hedge cuttings. Don't mope. Pleeese. :)
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Hey Clare -- I just did something nice, to see what it felt like, and for a brief moment there the perpetual darkness that engulfs my heart lightened a bit.

Or maybe it was a mild arrhythmia. Either way, it wasn't nearly as horrible as I'd always imagined it would be.

I'm not going to claim I'm turning over any new leaves, but...
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Hey, um. What does this mean?

I am still trying to find your pics. I guess it's a link, not a pic display.
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And what is that perfume you're wearing?

Aww.

Well, dear, I don't have much of a sense of smell, so I let my friends or partner pick them if I wear one.

And you?


I prefer the earthy yet unpretentious aroma of Hi Karate, mixed with a hint of light machine oil.

Actually I seldom wear cologne, as most of it sends me into sneezing fits and that is frowned upon at the opera.

What color are your eyes? Mine are blue, at least when they match.
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Hi Karate! Funny.

Mine are blue, and match. LOL ... Kind of a grey-blue.

Brown curly hair -- though I like it straight, more, and sometimes it does go straighter.
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And this is my summer home, from whence I post --


IMAGE ( [link to i49.tinypic.com] )

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I AM ACTUALLY LAUGHING OUT LOUD.

Well, Prince Ludwig ...

:)

Something smaller will do. :)

Besides, this was inspired by Wagner: great music but fascist too. :)
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I've been unfair and presumptuous in asking Clare to post pics when I have done no such thing.

So, in the interest of fairness, I give you my own image and likeness, for all to view:



IMAGE ( [link to i45.tinypic.com] )

 Quoting: Returner 997

Cool. Very professional photo. No fakery here. :)

I have to find the one of me and do the whole tinypic thing. I will try to do it soon. 'K?
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some (like Wanio) multiple (6) photos of the same face ...

Plus different people/faces with almost the same face, and only a few changes,
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Jeez...

Did it ever occur to you that these photos are all similar because they ARE ALL PHOTOS OF THE SAME PERSON?
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I've been unfair and presumptuous in asking Clare to post pics when I have done no such thing.

So, in the interest of fairness, I give you my own image and likeness, for all to view:



IMAGE ( [link to i45.tinypic.com] )


Cool. Very professional photo. No fakery here. :)

I have to find the one of me and do the whole tinypic thing. I will try to do it soon. 'K?
 Quoting: mclarek 986233 to Returner 997

By the way, you're clearly a winter: dramatic dark-light. I am a summer, fairer, slightly warmer brown, but cool side of colours too: straight (not bright or, alternatively, creamy) pinks, browns, blues, yellows, leaf green -- pewter or silver, and even a bit of gold if it's mixed with the silver. A bit fairer, therefore than a winter. I have cool wine red/cherry/burgundy. Flat pure white.

Winters have cool colours like me: starker silver, rainbow pure hues, black and white and greys, and ice colours: almost no colour, but rainbow hues. They have cherry and fire-engine red. Bright blue-white or flat white.

WARM:
Springs have creamy and caramel and salmon versions of hues (plus tomato red-orange). Cream.

And Autumns have darker or brighter stronger colours (like winters) but warm: brick red, aubergine purples, mustard yellows, warm emerald, warm rich browns, etc. They have brick red or warm wine/burgundy (like cranberries not cherries). Ecru (greenish/yellowish) "white" only, no other whites.
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a putative family member here or there.
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stfu
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some (like Wanio) multiple (6) photos of the same face ...

Plus different people/faces with almost the same face, and only a few changes,


Jeez...

Did it ever occur to you that these photos are all similar because they ARE ALL PHOTOS OF THE SAME PERSON?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Jeez ... of course.

But the faces are pasted EXACTLY the same. No difference in any of them. Same angles, same exact expression.

Now go to the next one.

Cut-paste ...

And a bit of smoothing airbrushing.

This is why you could be fooled by ONE comparison and think it's normal. But when the same view occurs 6 times, you may want to begin noticing other things:

Neck joins,
Ear angles (and flip-flops of ears),
teeth smudged while lip moved up, all else same ...

and so on.

Also, some have the quality of real photos; some do not, if you look closely.

And on it goes.

Keep going ... check out the FDNY in the middle (the B/W ones) -- there's TONS who are (jokingly) called "brothers/cousins" they're so obviously composites.

Okay, one might not be. I'll give you that. If you had one, it MIGHT be the whole smoking gun (sad if that's the case), or it MIGHT be genuine (happy if that's the case). But these are MANY MANY MANY MANY.

[link to septemberclues.info]
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a putative family member here or there.


stfu
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Upsetting, isn't it.

I feel for you. I felt the same way. But hey, reason dictates ploughing forward.

I've *looked* at them. And the evidence itself requires the statement.

Some are real family members, some cannot be -- or they're carrying faked photos. But then, why?

:)

[link to septemberclues.info]
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George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.


Why are you so sure?

Because he follows all the 'chemtrail' threads.

Ok, even if the doesn't contact me I will start the New Thread the morning of 7 Jun 2010 . . . Monday morning around 10:00 AM central time . . . I will announce it also on this thread so you will know.
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I have been in contact with 'The Guy' he has agreed but his internet connectivity is probably too slow through June, he has suggested July and I have agreed. This gives us both enough time to prepare and do the best possible job on the CHEMTRAIL DEBATE.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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We must be well into many thousands of people that are all
keeping a perfect silence in her idea of this perfect conspiracy.

That just doesn't work. People talk, yet not a single one of these people she claims are keeping silent has come forward.
That just doesn't add up, yet without the perfect silence her claims fall to pieces.


I didn't think thousands of people could be silent regarding the perfection of Stealth Technology and the operation of the 117 Stealth Fighter. Or earlier advanced weapons systems i.e. the SR71, U2, etc., etc. Fear of loss of income, fear of prison, patriotism, fear of physical harm to person or family can do a lot to keep your mouth shut. Plausible not impossible.

The Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk is a stealth ground attack aircraft formerly operated by the United States Air Force. The F-117A's first flight was in 1981, and it achieved initial operating capability status in October 1983.[1] The F-117A was "acknowledged" and revealed to the world in November 1988.[4] [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No, there are not thousands of people who saw enough to trust their own senses.

Plus, some have come forward.

And some will keep silence.

Lagasse came forward; he's now silent ON HIS KEY STATEMENTS about the trajectory at the Pentagon.

As well, remember JFK's death? People think "no one talked"? Lots did ... but many weren't listening (to this day).

This stuff is coming out.

But a fast plane of some kind or missile quickly going in? You only had 18 min's or so between hits on WTC buildings. In those 18 min's not one interviewed witness said a plane EXCEPT THE NEWS-RELATED PEOPLE -- who weren't on location (see Sept. Clues Movie on that: they cover who the witnesses on air were). Dahler was on air and said he didn't see anything; he suggested maybe a missile and to keep one's mind open. ... Another woman said she didn't see anything or hear anything.

This was the 1st "hit" or whatever it was; the 2nd had more witnesses, but there weren't that many interviews; the ones there were included Welz (posing), and Harley Guy (with his miraculous explanation of the tower coming down); the rest were again talking from their home (and were affiliated with the News agency as producers, etc.).

Mostly, you had talking heads and replays of the CGI plane hits.

Now the footage has been re-edited on the "Official Archives" though, to remove some of the clearer evidences of fakery. Some is still there though -- and the fact they're faking the day's broadcasts for the archives. LOL if it weren't sickening.

Over a million Iraqi people are dead -- not to mention wounded and traumatized; and probably far more US/NATO than they're saying. They use mercenaries, and they're not counted properly for our stats we see repeated.

Then there's the cover-up (not complete, though) of the depleted uranium use. There was a show on Fetzer about the Veterans' Compensation people (whatever they're called in the US, I can't remember) ... who are denying claims for those people. And the guy interviewed, Doug Rokke, was one of the uranium inspectors or developers for military use ... something like that ... and his OWN case was denied as if he didn't have poisoning.

So he became an activist to help others. He was saying the real stats are stunningly off.

Here it is (2nd hour). First hour is on 9/11 with no guest --

[link to nwopodcast.com]
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You assume that I haven't already looked at what you think is new evidence and discarded it because there's this thing I do called THINKING and weighing all sides before making up my mind. You should try it sometime, and maybe start your own thread, since you have taken over a thread about debunking Zetatalk.
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Look again then.

Cut-paste; and the FDNY faces in b/w morph.

ALL these people having "co-incidental" exact likenesses -- or feature likeness, in the case of the FDNY "brother-cousin" section?

Come on.

You just WANT to believe the fakery wasn't so thorough.

It's sloppy; you can tell.

:)
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You assume that I haven't already looked at what you think is new evidence and discarded it because there's this thing I do called THINKING and weighing all sides before making up my mind. You should try it sometime, and maybe start your own thread, since you have taken over a thread about debunking Zetatalk.

Look again then.

Cut-paste; and the FDNY faces in b/w morph.

ALL these people having "co-incidental" exact likenesses -- or feature likeness, in the case of the FDNY "brother-cousin" section?

Come on.

You just WANT to believe the fakery wasn't so thorough.

It's sloppy; you can tell.

:)
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Sorry Clare, I am too busy working to get anti HST tax petitions signed and stop the lifting of offshore oil drilling in OUR COUNTRY, things that WILL affect me and my fellow citizens if we all stick our head in pointless affairs beyond our borders. I am also involved in protests about the 1 billion dollar security tab for the G8 and G20 charade in Toronto this month, which you and I will be paying for. I prefer to do what I can to keep awful things that destroy our way of life from happening. I'm sorry you think half baked conspiracy theories merit more attention.
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Glad you like my summer home, Clare ;)

Mowing that lawn is a real chore.

And about my IP banning earlier -- it was nothing personal. I use a Verizon air card on a netbook when I'm not at work, and sometimes the Verizon IPs get blocked en masse. I tried my usual proxies, but they were banned too.

I've been doing yard work too. It's hot here!

Time to get back at it!
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Returner, not sure if this will work.

I did the Do_not_use_this thing and uploaded an album, but am not sure if this will show right. It says for IM and e-mail here's the url ...

[link to tinypic.com]

Just for fun I put up an 1830 woodcut from Japan of a UFO with the testimonies of the people (in Japanese) and the strange characters they said they saw. You can tell those.

There's also some pics: one of the conspiracy of the Batavians (an attempt to free themselves of Roman rule) by Rembrandt, a pic of a mad mass ceremony by Goya, some lovely pics of his lover by Modigliani and two favourites of mine by Van Gogh.

Oh, and a marvellous -- THOUGHTFUL (as if I can't recognize thinking -- some people here have suggested!) -- re-creation and dissection of visual meaning, of a bull, by Picasso.

:)
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Returner, not sure if this will work.

I did the Do_not_use_this thing and uploaded an album, but am not sure if this will show right. It says for IM and e-mail here's the url ...

[link to tinypic.com]

Just for fun I put up an 1830 woodcut from Japan of a UFO with the testimonies of the people (in Japanese) and the strange characters they said they saw. You can tell those.

There's also some pics: one of the conspiracy of the Batavians (an attempt to free themselves of Roman rule) by Rembrandt, a pic of a mad mass ceremony by Goya, some lovely pics of his lover by Modigliani and two favourites of mine by Van Gogh.

Oh, and a marvellous -- THOUGHTFUL (as if I can't recognize thinking -- some people here have suggested!) -- re-creation and dissection of visual meaning, of a bull, by Picasso.

:)
 Quoting: mclarek 986233 to Returner

Okay, it works. But to see some of the pics you have to click on the album. They're all in there, but only a few show on the main page.

Not used to the site yet, of course. :)
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Glad you like my summer home, Clare ;)

Mowing that lawn is a real chore.

And about my IP banning earlier -- it was nothing personal. I use a Verizon air card on a netbook when I'm not at work, and sometimes the Verizon IPs get blocked en masse. I tried my usual proxies, but they were banned too.

I've been doing yard work too. It's hot here!

Time to get back at it!
 Quoting: Returner 993807

Yard work between Neuschwanstein and Texas. Lots!

We're getting rain now soon.

What do you do besides hang at Zeta debunker sites and lawn work -- or is the latter a full-time thing? LOL
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You just WANT to believe the fakery wasn't so thorough.

It's sloppy; you can tell.

:)

Sorry Clare, I am too busy working to get anti HST tax petitions signed and stop the lifting of offshore oil drilling in OUR COUNTRY, things that WILL affect me and my fellow citizens if we all stick our head in pointless affairs beyond our borders. I am also involved in protests about the 1 billion dollar security tab for the G8 and G20 charade in Toronto this month, which you and I will be paying for. I prefer to do what I can to keep awful things that destroy our way of life from happening. I'm sorry you think half baked conspiracy theories merit more attention.
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Hate the HST, too.

As to the facts and the theories from them re. 9/11 fakery:
Well, they happen not to be half baked, sadly.

And that's related to the drilling, the G8, etc.

There's no borders now, regarding policies on key issues.

That's their hope and intent, these creeps.

As to our own candidates: Harper AND Ignatieff want the war. The latter just makes a distinction -- the only one he can make -- that he's more Liberal socially on the small front: gay rights, etc.
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Ugh...this fuckin' thread.

So, 5 witnesses at a Citgo station trump dozens and dozens of others.

April Gallop's word is the final one.

This guy Lear is a reputable "expert" who trumps all others.

Every video taken of planes flying into the Trade Center buildings was fake.

All the passengers on all the planes were...well, you still haven't displayed the integrity required to back up that particular claim...

Nevertheless, I'm glad I participated in this "discussion" because, unfortunately, there are people like you in this world, with mind-blowingly atrocious standards, who are easily-duped and influenced by what passes for "scholarship" on the internet, and so I think it's important to know, as a result, how you "people" think.

And....I've about reached my "end-stage".

I really do hope though someday you have the balls to attend a 9-11 memorial and back up your claims by trying to tell the grieving individuals that they're, indeed, "fake" relatives.

I mean...what's stopping you? Do you not believe this is the case? If I TRULY believed these awful crimes were committed NOTHING would stop me from throwing it back in the face of those responsible.

But you won't. Because you're spineless.

In response to my post where I surgically-dissected your post you put up links to no less than ten Youtube videos.

That was enough for me. This is amateur-hour.

You kind of disguest me, "mclarek". I want you to read that sentence over again and know that I mean it.

May no one I care about ever come to be as naive and easily-swayed as your posts plainly prove certain indivuals can so easily be...
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You just WANT to believe the fakery wasn't so thorough.

It's sloppy; you can tell.

:)

Sorry Clare, I am too busy working to get anti HST tax petitions signed and stop the lifting of offshore oil drilling in OUR COUNTRY, things that WILL affect me and my fellow citizens if we all stick our head in pointless affairs beyond our borders. I am also involved in protests about the 1 billion dollar security tab for the G8 and G20 charade in Toronto this month, which you and I will be paying for. I prefer to do what I can to keep awful things that destroy our way of life from happening. I'm sorry you think half baked conspiracy theories merit more attention.

Hate the HST, too.

As to the facts and the theories from them re. 9/11 fakery:
Well, they happen not to be half baked, sadly.

And that's related to the drilling, the G8, etc.

There's no borders now, regarding policies on key issues.

That's their hope and intent, these creeps.

As to our own candidates: Harper AND Ignatieff want the war. The latter just makes a distinction -- the only one he can make -- that he's more Liberal socially on the small front: gay rights, etc.
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I am just going to ignore you Clare and hope you take the hint and move your little sideshow to your own thread instead of spoiling this one.
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As to our own candidates: Harper AND Ignatieff want the war. The latter just makes a distinction -- the only one he can make -- that he's more Liberal socially on the small front: gay rights, etc.

I am just going to ignore you Clare and hope you take the hint and move your little sideshow to your own thread instead of spoiling this one.
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Why? You wanted to see I care about our borders. I do, more than you, it seems: for anyone is a danger to the next generation ... who would not recognize our borders and everyone else's are under siege by internationalists from all locations ("countries", to their mind, not countries, except when the country stands in their way).

Exposing their lies and ties in all things -- war, food, social unrest fomenting, etc. -- is key. 9/11 is a WORLD WAR, in many respects.

And will lead to one shortly if we don't wake up the total fraud of it.

Including video fakery.
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06/05/2010 08:34 PM
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

Dear Sir Swinging, :)

by the way, nice monicker you have. I like it.

Look -- the fact is we have witnesses for the OPPOSITE of the gov't claim (Citgo, Gallop); we have impossible cabby lamppost; we have parallax prob's in vids (not debatable); we have flip-flop of many faces for victims -- not for all of them; and we have Lear making sensible points about Boeings, which would have to be debunked before you could believe your version of the story, whatever your version exactly is.

It was an intelligence op. We have ONE family member for the victims with no SSDI records and pasted heads, plus some interview or call-in claim to a newspaper.

Come on. You can do it ... the case for ALL REAL people and ALL REAL shots and ALL REAL events is busted.

And from that, you go to the hypothesis that the intelligence op we know already it was -- from other lines of reasoning -- was a complete op, not involving merely technicians to kill and do the explosives and run the missiles, etc., but also people doing photo/video faking and a few people getting fame and money for being a "family".

It has to be or be massive, exponential, repeated and ridiculous co-incidence on a mass scale.

Otherwise, there is no explanation for the copy-paste heads of so many people here ...

Anyway: there is NO explanation for the parallax problems by co-incidence. None. ONLY fakery can do that. Okay? Start there. Sept. Clues part 9; slow it down to think about it.

Be scientific now. Really look. NO OTHER POSSIBILITY. Not even some implausible astronomical weirdness. Nada. Absolute proof of impossible images.

Then ... you'll get the rest.
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06/05/2010 08:35 PM
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Every video taken of planes flying into the Trade Center buildings was fake.

Unfortunately for Clare I was watching that morning when
I saw the second plane crash into the WTC. It was live,
and I switched to different channels and saw them replay
the same thing from different angles within just a few
minutes of seeing that. I guess she'll claim that the
media folks who shot those are all keeping perfectly silent
even while they continue to be cameramen for major media
outlets. In Clares world millions of people keep perfectly
silent about these things.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Very few knew. It was done from a hub.

And some have spoken -- when pressed.

Others changed their story to match the network's story.

And so on.
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06/05/2010 08:39 PM
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Dear Sir, there is, to comfort you, the possibility that some of these purported fakes are not. There are some which are inconclusive but suggestive of fakery. These ones would be part of the charges but some would fall in the end.

Beamer and Wanio are definite paste-heads though. So THOSE ones should find the family member subpoenaed and their college leaders -- they HAVE to be fake.

When you really look at the evidence, AC, it is so.

It's ugly, but not me for suspecting it. (Some people are morbid and just want to be weirdly nasty, but it's not *most* detective types.) I am interested in just the facts. And from that, we must build our hypotheses.

In fact, again, any photo fakes trump family claims.

We know Oswald had several different "families" over time, different identities (schools) etc.

This game is old.
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You know what- this is fucking disgusting and I feel like I have to respond to this one.

Honor Elizabeth Wiano is dead. She was a young girl who managed a retail store.

In the book I read "Among the Heroes" (lame title, yes) there's a photograph of her with her father at her graduation from college. They look exactly alike. They have the exact same eyes.

And it's sad. It's profoundly disturbing. She was in her early-20's. The same age I was at the time. She was pretty. She had her whole life ahead of her. And now she's dead.

"mclarek" has THE BALLS to say her father should be fucking subpoenaed to prove who he is?

You're unbelievable.

If I remember correctly, when Honor called home she wasn't AS LUCKY as some of the other passengers as no ONE WAS HOME. She had to leave a message on an answering machine. The woman sitting next to her (she was in her late-30's, had blonde hair I think, I wanna say her name was "Laura" maybe...) let her use her phone.

Young girl with her whole life ahead of her.

And what is this "mclarek" person doing? Slandering her.

I don't believe in "karma" per se, but people like "mclarek" tempt me to want to think otherwise....
mclarek
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06/05/2010 08:42 PM
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
And some have spoken -- when pressed.
 Quoting: mclarek to DrPostman


When I said that, I meant hints of FBI taking tapes (one of the "Amateur" footage guys, who also was forced to admit much later that CNN ran "his footage" live too (different shots).

In other words, his 2nd video matched a portion of CNN live. So the 2nd amateur footage wasn't amateur. He then said, oh, he was in the office next door.

Well, if so, how did he get the other footage that supposedly was on site and confiscated by the FBI?

And on it goes.

It's complex in the details to find out how, but as with so many here about "lots of witnesses" and "what they said" and "all those family members" (for the fake photo people, I mean) ... and so on ... YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE INCORRECT.

Anyway, parallax problems are severe, and like DNA proves fakery NO MATTER WHAT. So keep going into the rabbit hole. There's lots more fakery from your international intelligence services to find.

And in the end, let's fight these bastards at every election and by telling others, so that Brzezinski's comments to the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) -- Rockefeller's group formed from Britain's RIIA -- will mean something: he said there's a "global awakening" going on and decried the fact, because then the plans (cue Moriarty!) can't go forward for a (nice?!) global government (for them to run with their European and a few Chinese buddies).