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I am logging off. Good morning, Returner and George B and anyone else who wants the good wish.

Ciao.

..........................................

And re the Vicsims:

1. most fakes -- 1,000 or so from NYC and many plane victims or most -- are badly done and have no mourners or a "commenter" from years ago and no updates (except fake photos in some cases);

2. a few fake photo ids have a real family member and more storyline, such as Wanio and Beemer, to make the hundreds of others unnoticeable in their implausibility,

3. then there are real families, with updates, photos in different looks and angles OF FEATURES (not head they're on, which has fooled you), AND a fleshed-out story which has many players

... not 1 university head (or so) and 1 dad or mom.

Clare
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I've decided to stop wasting time with her. She has an excuse
for everything, and is incapable of giving short simple answers
to basic questions. It's a game to her, but she doesn't have
to go away. I'm glad she's bumping this thread and pushing it
closer to 1,000 as I predicted it would reach.
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One must also question whether or not a Formosa action would not be appropriate for the clunker.

She certainly seems to have more problems than she can handle.
non sufficit Orbis

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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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This is a crime against humanity what you No Planers/No Brainers are doing to this girl online.

You are a contemptible person with no conscience.

Fortunately you obviously lack the ability to interact with the real world in any meaningful way so you're not as dangerous as you could be.

Geez.

She's not real.

No-one's hurting anyone except the perps.

By the way, even if she were, and people got hurt: because of the fake photos all over this thing, and particularly the start of it: the absolute parallax problems on the live vids ...

We have to risk offending people in order to get to the truth.

But this one is fake.

What high school friends? How many? Who at university? A prof (CIA?) remembers her?

She has ONLY 2 expressions of mouth and same for top half. Flip-flop, flip, flop.
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You're so full of it. You're so blinded by your beliefs that anything that disputes them is automatically taken as fake.
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One must also question whether or not a Formosa action would not be appropriate for the clunker.
She certainly seems to have more problems than she can handle.

She has to be a threat to herself or others. I think this
is purposeful play on her part. She takes delight in twisting
things.
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Good point, but we never did, to the best of my memory, Formosa kazoo and he was sure as hell a danger to himself.

Of course we could just let the clunker run open loop without replying to her.
non sufficit Orbis

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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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One must also question whether or not a Formosa action would not be appropriate for the clunker.
She certainly seems to have more problems than she can handle.

She has to be a threat to herself or others. I think this
is purposeful play on her part. She takes delight in twisting
things.



Good point, but we never did, to the best of my memory, Formosa kazoo and he was sure as hell a danger to himself.

Of course we could just let the clunker run open loop without replying to her.
 Quoting: The Commentator


Her posts seem to be getting more desperate to me, the already unintelligible mangled language is becoming ever more incoherent. Much of her babbling is merely a string of disconnected words. I sense a melt-down in the not too distant future!
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One must also question whether or not a Formosa action would not be appropriate for the clunker.
She certainly seems to have more problems than she can handle.

She has to be a threat to herself or others. I think this
is purposeful play on her part. She takes delight in twisting
things.



Good point, but we never did, to the best of my memory, Formosa kazoo and he was sure as hell a danger to himself.

Of course we could just let the clunker run open loop without replying to her.


Her posts seem to be getting more desperate to me, the already unintelligible mangled language is becoming ever more incoherent. Much of her babbling is merely a string of disconnected words. I sense a melt-down in the not too distant future!
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Agreed. A world class melfdown is on the way, I suspect she will rant, piss and moan how everyone but her is on some conspiracy payroll.

But, it may be fun to watch, a k00k melfdown is a sight to behold!
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NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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THESE ones we are dealing with are the couple of shill stories to cover for the hundreds of less-well-done ones.

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You're really a weasel.

This is the example YOU presented. As your first evidence that this is going on.

That's why I'm dealing with it.

No doubt any other SPECIFIC example of "less-well-done" could be ripped apart just as well.
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But this one is fake.

What high school friends? How many? Who at university? A prof (CIA?) remembers her?

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Liz Wainio graduated from Catonsville High School in 1991. Liz died Tuesday, Sept. 11 during the horrible events that took place as our country was being attacked. She was on United Airlines Flight No. 93.

We both remember Liz well as a student at Catonsville. She always had a smile on her face. She was a friend to everyone. All her fellow students seemed to admire Liz. She was well respected.

Whenever something needed to be done we could always count on Liz. Her given first name was Honor. And that seemed to be the way she lived her life.

Liz was very active. As a senior she played in the field hockey senior all-star game. She was co-captain of our winter cheerleading squad. She played in the string quartet. Liz was an officer in our Honor Society, Student Government Association and Varsity Athletic Club. She did it all! We pray for her family and those that were close to her. God be with you, Liz. We will always remember your smile.

Ed Bury, retired co-chair of physical education; and Kathy Schuyler, athletic director

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She's not real.

No-one's hurting anyone except the perps.

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[link to news.google.com]
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But this one is fake.

What high school friends?
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Geez.

She's not real.

No-one's hurting anyone except the perps.

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News From Terre Haute, Indiana- TribStar.com
September 8, 2006
Flight 93 crash victim's family: ‘Your whole life changes’

By KIRK SWAUGER

SHANKSVILLE, Pa. — Slipping into bed in her Wonder Woman underwear, young Elizabeth Wainio dreamed of becoming a superhero.

“When I grow up,” she would ask her stepmother as she was tucked in, “do you think I could be Wonder Woman?”

Through the years, Elizabeth Wainio blossomed into an effervescent young woman with an engaging smile, a love for music and a satisfying career as a district manager for Discovery Channel stores.

All the while, the innocent dreams of childhood remained.

“I really want so badly to do something meaningful,” she told her stepmother, Esther Heymann, as they sat on the front porch of their suburban Baltimore home six years ago.

“I want to make a difference in this world.”

“Of course,” Heymann now recalls, “nobody would have thought that within the next year, this would have occurred.”

On Sept. 11, 2001, 27-year-old Elizabeth Wainio called Heymann for the last time from aboard United Flight 93, more concerned about the welfare of her family than her own.

Moments later, the hijacked jet plunged into a reclaimed strip mine near Shanksville as passengers rushed the cockpit.

All 33 passengers and seven crew members were killed on the only hijacked plane that did not reach its intended destination, believed to be either the U.S. Capitol or the White House.

‘It’s been like hell’

On the fifth anniversary of the day regular Americans aboard Flight 93 began the war on terror, the pain persists for Ben Wainio and Heymann.

It could come from hearing “Amazing Grace,” the song Judy Collins sang at a concert Ben Wainio attended with his daughter. Or from spoiling her cat, Sabrina. Or simply from the phone ringing unexpectedly.

“It’s been like hell for me,” Ben Wainio said.

“The first couple of years were all these peaks and valleys, like riding a wave on the ocean. Those waves have become further and further apart as the years go on.”

“It’s a nightmare you don’t wake up from,” Heymann added.

Now, Wainio, 61, and Heymann, 57, are immersed in preserving their daughter’s memory.

They travel every three months from their home in Catonsville, Md., to Flight 93 Task Force meetings in Somerset and spend countless hours on conference calls working on plans for a permanent Flight 93 National Memorial. Heymann is passionate about fund raising for the monument, and she anticipates helping with planning for the visitors’ center.

“It’s a lot bigger than Elizabeth, but certainly Elizabeth is what brought us to it,” she said. “I so believe that a small group of people can make a huge difference. That’s such a powerful message. For me, that is terribly important to think that these people weren’t passive victims.

“Wouldn’t you want your child to feel they could make a difference in the world, even under the most trying circumstances?”

‘Greatest challenge’

Soon after the crash, Wainio and Heymann retrieved their daughter’s belongings from her apartment – furniture and other items that remain stored at their home.

They still have her cat, which they were caring for when Elizabeth Wainio went on a business trip to Italy and France before Sept. 11.

“It’s hard for me to be at home,” Heymann said. “Every time the phone rings, I expect it to be Elizabeth. Every time I turn on the computer, I expect her e-mails.

“Living here for me is the greatest challenge,” she added, fighting back tears.

“I experience her absence so greatly. You have somebody snatched out of your life in a second, and your whole life changes.”

Heymann had helped raise her stepdaughter since Elizabeth was 3 years old. Heymann and Ben Wainio were married when Elizabeth was 5.

“She called me Mom,” Heymann said.

“I would definitely say she and I were best friends.”

Seventeen days after the crash – on Elizabeth’s birthday – a memorial service was held. The family compiled, printed and distributed a tribute titled “Celebration of Life,” with notes and stories from those closest to her.

“Her uncle came up to me and said, ‘I used to think Elizabeth just treated me special. After reading that, I see she treated everybody that way,’ ” Ben Wainio reminisced.

“She was a good human being – full of life – and had a wonderful smile. I miss her so much.”

It has been equally difficult for their youngest daughter, Sarah, now 19, a student at Fordham University in New York who served on the opening jury to help choose the design for the Flight 93 memorial.

“Those two were like peas in a pod,” Heymann said.

“They listened to rock ‘n’ roll music together, they went for drives, they went to Baskin-Robbins for ice cream.

“That definitely is a real heart-breaker,” Heymann said.

“It’s not fair for Sarah. It’s not fair at all.”

Community comfort

Through it all, Elizabeth Wainio’s family members are comforted by the support they’ve received in Shanksville and Somerset.

Eighteen months after the crash, Heymann went to Mount Aloysius College with other families to share thoughts of their loved ones. Afterward, they traveled to the crash site on a snowy winter day.

As the other families were preparing to depart, Heymann stayed behind to spend time alone.

“I can’t leave,” she told Flight 93 volunteer ambassador Ed Klein of Stoystown.

“He was so kind,” she said. “He said, ‘Please come home and have a bowl of soup with my wife and me.’ They helped me get past that moment.

“I just want to point out how wonderful everybody is. It helps more than you can imagine. It is the best in humanity.”

For Ben Wainio, the crash site holds deep meaning.

For years, he and Heymann would take Elizabeth and his son, Tom, now 35, to visit their grandmother in Charleroi, Washington County. Rather than taking on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, they would travel Route 31 through Somerset.

“The summer my mom died in ‘98, I said to Esther, ‘I guess we’ll never be taking this drive again,” he said.

“But here we are, taking the same drive.

“If I had a choice, I’m so glad she was on Flight 93. I feel like she’s home in western Pennsylvania.”

Kirk Swauger writes for The Tribune-Democrat in Johnstown, Pa.
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Geez.

She's not real.

No-one's hurting anyone except the perps.

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[link to www.spokesman.com]

Sarah Wainio, Elizabeth Wainio’s sister, may sum up that ambivalence:

The film, says Wainio, is “incredibly hard to watch. But I want this story to be shared, and I want people to be put on that plane.

“We have been dealing with it and thinking about it and imagining what happened that day for four years now,” she says. “But the public hasn’t always been thinking about it.”

In the end, she adds, “I have to be peaceful about it. It sounds like an oxymoron to be peaceful about something like this. But I know who my sister was, and I carry with me all my wonderful memories of her.

“This wasn’t her whole life. This is just how it ended.”
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With the fifth anniversary of 9/11 nine weeks away, hotels and other accommodations in Somerset County already are filling up with visitors who plan to attend ceremonies at the Shanksville field where Flight 93 plummeted to earth.

"We've been sold out for months," said Jennifer Logue, manager of the Hampton Inn in Somerset.

The 111-room motel will house mostly family members of Flight 93 passengers.

"We've always sold out for 9/11," Logue said.

John Knupp, of The Inn at Georgian Place, said his 11-room bed-and-breakfast is 90 percent booked for the long weekend leading up to ceremonies on Sept. 11, which this year falls on a Monday.

"We'll have a lot of the families staying here," Knupp said. "They'll start to come in on Thursday (Sept. 7)."

Ben Wainio, of Catonville, Md., whose daughter, Elizabeth Wainio, was a passenger on Flight 93, said he was able to squeeze in one of the last bookings at the Hampton Inn before registrations were closed.

"Those people at the Hampton Inn have been so gracious to us," said Wainio, who has visited the crash site 13 times.
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52 PAGES OF COMMENTS ON ELIZABETH WIANIO'S LEGACY GUESTBOOK PAGE.

I DARE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE'S NOT "REAL" THERE, KUEHN.



[link to www.legacy.com]


I still have a picture of you in my wallet - been carrying it for 8 years now. I will never forget. You were a mentor and I really enjoyed working with you!
Cathy O'Neill
Discovery Channel Store

Lizz,


Thinking of you today and always.

XOXO
Shannon

Shannon Quinby,
Catonsville, Maryland


Liz, I still think of you often. A lot of us from CHS are keeping in touch with Facebook, and it's hard to know you're not out there too. Just recently I had to explain 9/11 to my 7 year old (we were also discussing the Challenger explosion in his space book). And I told him I lost an old friend that day. He knew that I would see you one day when I was in heaven too. Love to you and your family and know that there are many of us who are still thinking of you.

Diane,
Catonsville, Maryland


Baby girl,
I know you are looking at your niece, smiling. Such wonderful memories flooded my mind when your brother called. He looks at her the way your daddy looked at you.
I miss you so...
love, mommie dearest


Happy Birthday Lizz. You will always be remembered by me as the happiest most energenic girl in HS who loved and accepted everyone. I think of you often and especially today as your family celebrates you and keeps you in there memories as do I. You are missed.

Heidi Hammel,
Catonsville, Maryland


Happy Birthday Elizabeth. I will always remember your birthday - it is 2 days after mine. All my prayers and best wishes to you on your special day - we miss you. Mark

Mark Mischinski,

ELIZABETH
I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY 35TH BIRTHDAY I HOPE YOU HAVE A HUGE PARTY IN HEAVEN. WE ALL MISS YOU HERE IN NEW ENGLAND.

KEVIN GIBBONS,
AMHERST, Massachusetts


Dear Elizabeth,
I am sitting here this morning at 4:30 because I can't sleep. Today is always the hardest for me. I won't be there with you today; but, I will be thinking of you. It is hard not to. Sarah is on her way to be with us. She caught the train at 3AM this morning. We are going to try and have a quiet day at home together if we can. I know you are with us especially with some of the things that happen around here. I miss your smile and your phone calls. I will leave you a message again today. It helps me to get through the day. Love you and miss you, daddy


just wanted to say that I think of you often. I just watched the flight 93movie and it was really hard. Iwas glad to see youre family. I know I never met youre sister,but Liz always talked about her and it was nice seeing her. I really miss you. Love Heather Swanhart

Heather Shuster,
newark, Delaware

I knew Liz in high school, and I send my thoughts and prayers to her friends and family. Though I hadn't seen Liz in a long time, I know you have suffered the loss of a very wonderful person.

Sarah Canter,
Baltimore, Maryland


Although I had not spoken to Liz since High School, my heart skipped a beat when I learned she was on that flight. I have spoken to several old classmates, and from all of us to the Wainio family, God Bless You, our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Emily Galita,
Catonsville, Maryland


Happy Birthday, my friend.

We will be sure to enjoy some Rolling Rocks for you today, and keep you in our hearts forever.

Love,
Wendima

Wendy Simmons,
Baltimore, Maryland


eptember 27, 2001
I went to high school with Liz and although I haven't spoken to her in several years, I was stunned and shocked when I heard of her passing. My heart and prayers go out to her family and friends.

Jennifer Doherty (Lease),
Baltimore, Maryland
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52 PAGES OF COMMENTS ON ELIZABETH WIANIO'S LEGACY GUESTBOOK PAGE.

I DARE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE'S NOT "REAL" THERE, KUEHN.



[link to www.legacy.com]


I still have a picture of you in my wallet - been carrying it for 8 years now. I will never forget. You were a mentor and I really enjoyed working with you!
Cathy O'Neill
Discovery Channel Store

Lizz,


Thinking of you today and always.

XOXO
Shannon

Shannon Quinby,
Catonsville, Maryland


Liz, I still think of you often. A lot of us from CHS are keeping in touch with Facebook, and it's hard to know you're not out there too. Just recently I had to explain 9/11 to my 7 year old (we were also discussing the Challenger explosion in his space book). And I told him I lost an old friend that day. He knew that I would see you one day when I was in heaven too. Love to you and your family and know that there are many of us who are still thinking of you.

Diane,
Catonsville, Maryland


Baby girl,
I know you are looking at your niece, smiling. Such wonderful memories flooded my mind when your brother called. He looks at her the way your daddy looked at you.
I miss you so...
love, mommie dearest


Happy Birthday Lizz. You will always be remembered by me as the happiest most energenic girl in HS who loved and accepted everyone. I think of you often and especially today as your family celebrates you and keeps you in there memories as do I. You are missed.

Heidi Hammel,
Catonsville, Maryland


Happy Birthday Elizabeth. I will always remember your birthday - it is 2 days after mine. All my prayers and best wishes to you on your special day - we miss you. Mark

Mark Mischinski,

ELIZABETH
I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY 35TH BIRTHDAY I HOPE YOU HAVE A HUGE PARTY IN HEAVEN. WE ALL MISS YOU HERE IN NEW ENGLAND.

KEVIN GIBBONS,
AMHERST, Massachusetts


Dear Elizabeth,
I am sitting here this morning at 4:30 because I can't sleep. Today is always the hardest for me. I won't be there with you today; but, I will be thinking of you. It is hard not to. Sarah is on her way to be with us. She caught the train at 3AM this morning. We are going to try and have a quiet day at home together if we can. I know you are with us especially with some of the things that happen around here. I miss your smile and your phone calls. I will leave you a message again today. It helps me to get through the day. Love you and miss you, daddy


just wanted to say that I think of you often. I just watched the flight 93movie and it was really hard. Iwas glad to see youre family. I know I never met youre sister,but Liz always talked about her and it was nice seeing her. I really miss you. Love Heather Swanhart

Heather Shuster,
newark, Delaware

I knew Liz in high school, and I send my thoughts and prayers to her friends and family. Though I hadn't seen Liz in a long time, I know you have suffered the loss of a very wonderful person.

Sarah Canter,
Baltimore, Maryland


Although I had not spoken to Liz since High School, my heart skipped a beat when I learned she was on that flight. I have spoken to several old classmates, and from all of us to the Wainio family, God Bless You, our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Emily Galita,
Catonsville, Maryland


Happy Birthday, my friend.

We will be sure to enjoy some Rolling Rocks for you today, and keep you in our hearts forever.

Love,
Wendima

Wendy Simmons,
Baltimore, Maryland


eptember 27, 2001
I went to high school with Liz and although I haven't spoken to her in several years, I was stunned and shocked when I heard of her passing. My heart and prayers go out to her family and friends.

Jennifer Doherty (Lease),
Baltimore, Maryland
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Sure these people died. They were flown by remote control into the building - at least the towers anyway.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Menow, 'The Guy' contacted me via email and has agreed initially to participate.
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I knew he would.

Wow, you guys have been busy!
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it's speculative.

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Oh... glad we cleared that up! Now I don't have to wade through the next 8 pages of your usual blather.
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The Moon DOES rotate; I always said it did relative to the Sun. Yikes! You really mix apples and oranges and continue mistakes long after they're cleared up.
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26th repeat, just for consistancy sake...

You claim that all the 'confusion' was due to the fact that Nancy doesn't know that the Moon orbits Earth, yet her position that Newton doesn't properly explain the Lunar orbit show that she DOES know that the Moon orbits Earth.

Let's see if you ignore this for the 26th time. This, for the WIN!
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Nope, but someone did,and that was my point. My point was
that perfect conspiracies don't exist. There are too many
people involved in Clare's fantasy.




Nope.

Compartmentalization means A FEW OF EACH TYPE.

And now we have lots of agents and sympathizers.
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Yeah... and astronomers are in on a massive conspiracy to hide Planet X from the public...
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I think we've all now had our fun with Clare and have all been surprised at how truly evil the "no planes" movement is. I'm done wasting my time with her ilk and suggest that we not humor her arrogant ignorance any further. There is no arguing logic with one who has so willingly drank the koolaid as her.
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Clare insists there is a very complex and intricate cover-up. She has presented what she feels is evidence of that cover-up. If you do not accept the evidence you don't accept her connecting the dots on the evidence.

I have no idea what happened other than what I have seen on the TV screen. Therefore, to negate what was seen by millions of people over, and over, and over again takes significant evidence which is verified and validated by authoritative experts . . . and then supported by the media to reinforce the findings to the public. Some experts have placed their careers on the line questioning the party line and doing so have lost their credibility to many. These people have been courageous if not nuts according to many.
I therefore will present two pieces of evidence which bother me and I have no explanation for them. The first is above:

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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I also have no satisfactory explanation for this set of facts as well.

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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THESE ones we are dealing with are the couple of shill stories to cover for the hundreds of less-well-done ones.



You're really a weasel.

This is the example YOU presented. As your first evidence that this is going on.

That's why I'm dealing with it.

No doubt any other SPECIFIC example of "less-well-done" could be ripped apart just as well.
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Nope nope nope.

:)

Some of the hundreds of less-well-done ones are shown on the page and vids I sent.

THIS IS THE POINT.

You guys are so blinded by your 1-to-1-to-1 thinking (everything is "a fact" and all your assumptions play in the same on each one), you don't see the comparative aspects, such as 2-to-2 or 3-to-3 sitting right beside.

If you did, you'd show more evidence of having seen that different questions are relevant to EACH TYPE of fakery and even for many photos which dont show fakery but haven't been upated and don't have profiles, or if they do have the latter, those are flimsy and never updated either. ALL these things become clear because of the fewer (but still dozens) of manipulated photos.

What also becomes clear is that some people are going around as family members with victims who have faked photos. This makes us have to postulate that the family member is only a plant and the storyline thin.

Thus ...

The Website and vids were pointing out DIFFERENT kinds of deception. Let's handle them one at a time, but they're DIFFERENT.

1. There are TONS of useless photos with no updates -- some you can't see the person, some were horrible photos, bad prints, etc. Okay, you might expect 1 or 2 but so many?

These went up right away and have never been changed.

2. There are better photos with no updates and an inplausible comment, such as, for example, the two top-end brothers who have one friend's brief comment and were supposed to have been in charge of 650 people, but no-one's mentioned them again.

3. There are some bad photos which have no or few coments, no updates and show morphing (photo overlay and feature blending/choosing) or are repeats of the same photo but have a different colour tone or smudge on teeth, or are flipped (teeth flipped too, they were so sloppy) and maybe one different eye.


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COMPARATIVE NOTES FOR YOU THINKERS WHO MISSED THIS FOREST FOR THE TREES:

#3 is ---- where the forged photos appear.

#1 or 2 ----- we have mere photo pin-ups or pin-up profiles with photos ... THEY are the BULK of the deception. They are the many many more undeveloped names/faces, to bump the numbers.

SOME may turn out to be genuine people whose loved ones never bothered to provide better info or pictures. This CAN happen. But not likely this many.

............................


Okay so ... #4:

4. This is where you have the very very obvious fake photos (Wanio and Beamer, for example) AND a developed story, with a family member you see at every occasion, so to speak.

Note how few of these cases there are, for the suspect photos.

One could expect that not every family of over a thousand would be out in the streets or having memorial fundraisers for them, that's true, so there is no reason for ALL these people to have more family out, or for ALL these people to have full bios.

But so MANY don't (from points 1, 2, 3), and there are a few who do (Wanio, Beamer, for example) but the photos are clearly faked.

They are the fuller, fleshed-out cover story to keep so many others in the house of cards, standing.


That was always the point. You missed it in your emotional reaction to the face flip-flop of one or two of them, and your conviction that a newspaper call-in or one person doing the circuit should be "untouched" by skepticism.

How debunker of you is that? LOL!


This was a PSY OP. Everything and everyone is suspect until proven innocent. And with fake photos hanging around peple claiming a family member, and bios undeveloped with bad photos for so many others,

it merely means the psy op extended to the poster people. (Some of them.) Easy to do. It's in layers of deception. Only a few (with fake photos you never noticed) are "developed" personal backgrounds, and you don't notice the rest without. PERFECT deception. Except the photos for these personas (Beamer, Wanio) are clearly fake when you look.
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But this one is fake.

What high school friends? How many? Who at university? A prof (CIA?) remembers her?



[link to www.explorebaltimorecounty.com]

Liz Wainio graduated from Catonsville High School in 1991. Liz died Tuesday, Sept. 11 during the horrible events that took place as our country was being attacked. She was on United Airlines Flight No. 93.

We both remember Liz well as a student at Catonsville. She always had a smile on her face. She was a friend to everyone. All her fellow students seemed to admire Liz. She was well respected.

Whenever something needed to be done we could always count on Liz. Her given first name was Honor. And that seemed to be the way she lived her life.

Liz was very active. As a senior she played in the field hockey senior all-star game. She was co-captain of our winter cheerleading squad. She played in the string quartet. Liz was an officer in our Honor Society, Student Government Association and Varsity Athletic Club. She did it all! We pray for her family and those that were close to her. God be with you, Liz. We will always remember your smile.

Ed Bury, retired co-chair of physical education; and Kathy Schuyler, athletic director

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Very good. I read it.

Why the fake photos then?

Why not real ones?

If she's real, she should have real photos.

And why no record in the SSDI? Like Beamer?


Now, if we got the real photos and so on and a record in the SSDI and hundreds of people who knew her (this could happen in a court case) and it might take that, for such a big psy op to prove existence vs. lying, then fine, maybe we could prove she was real but the photos were faked for some weird reason. :)

First, we're not going to get the court case.

So, WE have to ask, why fake photos AND no SSDI? And since these are the case, either these witnesses are lying or there's some reason to make her have fake IDs and some miracle, along with Beamer, and others, where she doesn't (or rather, didn't) have an SSDI record.

(If they now add an SSDI record for her and Beamer and who knows how many of these other fake records, that doesn't count. :) ... By the way, because of the fake vids and photos, note that in a FULL court case about psy op on 9/11, EVERY identity for 9/11 would have to be tested to the fullest. Yup. That's what reason would do, even if it's barely feasible, that's what would have to occur. Too many fake IDs causes the whole thing to be questionable.)
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Geez.

She's not real.

No-one's hurting anyone except the perps.



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Sure. Okay. If she died that day, why the fake photos and no SSDI record?

HMMMMMMMMM?

Keep your mental priority of questions in ORDER.


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NOW, if we know she's not necessarily real we can ask pertinent questions about how the fake ID became necessary if she WAS real:

So we can hypothetically grant she might be real (not forgetting she likely is not): a detective would ask, if real as a person, why the fakery then? More cute photos, to boost sales at her memorial banquet?

How was she not on SSDI? An error?

Beamer, too, an error? Or only one error -- i.e., one's real and one's fake?

How about so many others with duplicate, flipped and photoshopped or morphed photos? Do they all have family coming out? No. Do they have identity stories in newspapers? No. (If it starts now, for nearly a thousand people, it doesn't count, unless -- in a court case, with subpoena powers, some questionable IDs did check out.)

I'll bet you, numerically speaking, most wouldn't. Can't GUARANTEE which ones wouldn't, but probably Wanio is among them.

Fake photos? No SSDI? Perhaps a girl named Wanio WENT to the high school. Are there real yearbooks? Did the actual students remember her? No-one NO-ONE remembers Obama from Columbia, except another guy for whom there are no school records and who "roomed with him off campus for the 1/st seester only". Gimme a break.

INTELLIGENCE OP. 9/11. Wake up.
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Clare insists there is a very complex and intricate cover-up. She has presented what she feels is evidence of that cover-up. If you do not accept the evidence you don't accept her connecting the dots on the evidence.

I have no idea what happened other than what I have seen on the TV screen. Therefore, to negate what was seen by millions of people over, and over, and over again ...
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Very good, George.

Yes, you saw it on TV A CERTAIN WAY, and yes it was over and over and over.

Think of it as RE-RUNS of a BAD SITCOM FICTION.


I want the GAME of the FAKERY over for our interloquitors.

Thank you for presenting those vids. I am familiar with both of them.

How are you?
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I think we've all now had our fun with Clare and have all been surprised at how truly evil the "no planes" movement is. I'm done wasting my time with her ilk and suggest that we not humor her arrogant ignorance any further. There is no arguing logic with one who has so willingly drank the koolaid as her.
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What ignorance? Faked video, faked photos, fake ids ...

Fake reality. There is a distinction between what you want to be true and what is true. I know it's hard here -- I am NOT evil -- just think like an intelligence op for once and stop sobbing ...

Fake ids for "the beautiful innocents". Diabolical emotionally, not mentally.

NO SSDI plus FAKE PHOTOS.
Parallax impossibilities -- SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE VIDEOS.


And all the rest flows from there ... in your mind ... if you choose to THINK about it.
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Nope, but someone did,and that was my point. My point was
that perfect conspiracies don't exist. There are too many
people involved in Clare's fantasy.




Nope.

Compartmentalization means A FEW OF EACH TYPE.

And now we have lots of agents and sympathizers.


Yeah... and astronomers are in on a massive conspiracy to hide Planet X from the public...
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Did you say that?

:)

Not necessarily. But if PX were here (occurred), they might be. There are ways, for long periods of time, to hold information back or fudge it a bit.

One could postulate such a thing no problem. The question is, are they? Do we have any evidence they are? I think the fact that our filters are so good to see the Sun means there is no Planet X there, unless it has some fabulous cloudy camouflage. :)
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Fake photos? No SSDI? Perhaps a girl named Wanio WENT to the high school. Are there real yearbooks? Did the actual students remember her?
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I've provided names of teachers and students who remember her.
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it's speculative.



Oh... glad we cleared that up! Now I don't have to wade through the next 8 pages of your usual blather.
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You can't handle the AIR PRESSURE problem, PARALLAX IMPOSSIBILITIES, FAKE PHOTOS AND NO SSDI
... to you pick a tiny phrase used in a context by me and take it out of context.

How straw man fallacy of you.

:)

There is no way to handle the above, without facing the fakery.

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What is speculative is the exact persons who were faked. Some must remain unnown, but the overall number of radical incongruities between these photo people is such that most or all have to be fakes. Which ones, we don't know exactly of course and will never know with absolute certainty because we don't have the resources of an impartial national court.

All hypotheses are speculative until the evidence settles down. When it does, then you can put as many pieces as close to perfect as possible and compare the hypotheses. Some pieces trump other hypotheses though, right off the bat: and PARALLAX IMPOSSIBILITIES mean there WAS fakery, whatever else was going on.

You people are NOT scientific when you do what you're doing now.

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