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Why would this woman be carrying fake photos of a real daughter? 6 identiflip faces. Why?



[link to www.explorebaltimorecounty.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

The 6 identiflip (well, 3 identiflip and 1 morph and flip) stand whatver other photos are produced. Why the identiflips?

Plus, notice, her feature position and mouth are the same here. She's just been reduced and given redeye.

However, it MIGHT be an earlier photo of the same model, from youth. Not likely.
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Fake photos? No SSDI? Perhaps a girl named Wanio WENT to the high school. Are there real yearbooks? Did the actual students remember her?


I've provided names of teachers and students who remember her.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

They say they do.

What about the fake photos and no SSDI?

A little odd, considering the intelligence op circumstances, eh? And Beamer THE SAME?

And all the identical photos of others and flimsy bios or no bios and no updates in 9 years.

Fraud. Lie. Or very weird family, faking photos and not on the SSDI -- do they know the Beamers?

:)
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What is speculative is the exact persons who were faked. Some must remain unnown, but the overall number of radical incongruities between these photo people is such that most or all have to be fakes. Which ones, we don't know exactly of course and will never know with absolute certainty because we don't have the resources of an impartial national court.


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Total bullshit.

You haven't proven any fake IDs. You haven't proven any fake photos. The one specific case you tried to make for a "fake" victim was totally ripped to pieces. So, now you're trying to say "What is speculative is the exact persons who were faked."

Weasel.

You don't need a national court.

We can research ANY of the victims and prove conclusively prove they and their families are real.
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And all the identical photos of others and flimsy bios or no bios and no updates in 9 years.
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How the hell are you going to update their photos or biographies?

THEY'RE DEAD!
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52 PAGES OF COMMENTS ON ELIZABETH WIANIO'S LEGACY GUESTBOOK PAGE.

I DARE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE'S NOT "REAL" THERE, KUEHN.





Sure these people died. They were flown by remote control into the building - at least the towers anyway.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX*** to 969583


There were no flights into the towers. There was a missile and pyrotechnics or no missile (though I think there was a missile, 'cause there's a blob in one shot with no plane, a very early shot, never seen on TV again). The rest was fakery. TV fakery -- there are parallax problems in the videos: they were composites to cover parts of the real events that day.

As to the people saying they knew her -- maybe she was real at the high school and went into intelligence in University and then was killed but not in a flight? You see, you don't have to have 9/11 planes into crash sites to have SOME of these people be real and SOME fake and SOME dying somewhere.

The only point here is SEPARATE IT ALL IN YOUR MIND.


Now, she had 3 identical photoheads; and a flip with a morph on one, and another identical head of that one in another.

She's not in the SSDI.



So, if she's real, or even died on that day -- she's not a real IDENTITY FOR 9/11, or she died on 9/11 but not on planes/ in towers, etc.
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Clare insists there is a very complex and intricate cover-up. She has presented what she feels is evidence of that cover-up. If you do not accept the evidence you don't accept her connecting the dots on the evidence.

I have no idea what happened other than what I have seen on the TV screen. Therefore, to negate what was seen by millions of people over, and over, and over again ...

Very good, George.

Yes, you saw it on TV A CERTAIN WAY, and yes it was over and over and over.

Think of it as RE-RUNS of a BAD SITCOM FICTION.


I want the GAME of the FAKERY over for our interloquitors.

Thank you for presenting those vids. I am familiar with both of them.

How are you?
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Welcome again to the Thread Wars . . . you seem fresh and ready for a fight! I am just great; spent some time lounging around the pool yesterday and feel refreshed.
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Yet 2 photos duplicated for Beemer and 6 for Wanio?



And here's one that's not your "duplicated 6" for Wainio:

[link to www.explorebaltimorecounty.com]

Blown off once again by Clare Keuhn.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

By the way, there shouldn't BE the duplicated 6 (it's actually 4 and 2, or something like that -- the flips are identical in several, but there are 2 kinds).


This othe photo is still the same expression and angle, but with red-eye. Note her skin doesn't look right for the quality of the photo either. They COULD have used an early real photo here, but it's so similar it's doubtful.
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Why does everyone argue the family claimants? Only under normal circumstances would people signing a guestbook be okay as evidence.

The issue is, IF she has family, why are there so many photo duplicates for her (2 types of face duplicated into other photos)???????

-- possibly all photos, unless you count maybe the Christmas tree one as an exception, but even that is same angle of face on head, rather unnatural?

And then there's Beamer.

And others.

And the dozens of duplicates with no family mourners.

And the morphs.

And no SSDI records.

:)
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Welcome again to the Thread Wars . . . you seem fresh and ready for a fight! I am just great; spent some time lounging around the pool yesterday and feel refreshed.
 Quoting: George B

:)
Good! I am happy you're back. Now where's returner of the Neuschwanstein castle? :)

....................................

Well, I just can't believe that a few claimants to an identity can fool these debunkers.

"Someone says --" and on ONE person -- what about Beamer and the rest with THE SAME PROBLEMS.

Yah. Duplicate photos and no SSDI ...
In the middle of a psy op anyway?


So there's several with the same problem ...

And yet others with no family, except 1 friend testimonial from 9 years ago, or no testimonial at all, just photo flips and morphs ...

And then, at the sloppiest level of the boosted numbers: the people with one bad photo and a name and nothing else.

Some of these debunkers don't know science thinking!

They debunk what they think PRIMA FACIE is worth debunking. How unscientific!

And uninteresting. :)
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Returner didn't return.

:(

Hope he's well. Maybe he's booted off from Verizon access again. Or he got lost on his lawn. :)
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Why does everyone argue the family claimants? Only under normal circumstances would people signing a guestbook be okay as evidence.
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You're an idiot.

They're nothing else to say.
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I'd love to see Kuehn show up somewhere like the anniversary ceremonies at Shanksville talking this crap.

She'd never do that because she'd never leave her basement (metaphorical or actual) and because she knows get her ass handed to her.
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Some of these debunkers don't know science thinking!
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And you do?
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Some of these debunkers don't know science thinking!


And you do?
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If there is ANYONE who "don't know science thinking" it's Clare!
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Some of these debunkers don't know science thinking!


And you do?


If there is ANYONE who "don't know science thinking" it's Clare!
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Clare has enough trouble just thinking, without complicating that with science.
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52 PAGES OF COMMENTS ON ELIZABETH WIANIO'S LEGACY GUESTBOOK PAGE.

I DARE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE'S NOT "REAL" THERE, KUEHN.



[link to www.legacy.com]
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***



Note:

All these entries can be by shills. You know of planted entries -- right? You do know?

To test them, we'd have to subpoena the people -- or identities.

Someone want to check out THEIR names on the SSDI?

That's what it would take.

And if any names checked out, see if the actual people matching any of the names knew Wanio ... AND if they did match any real names in the SSDI, ask them if was she the same as the person in the faked photos? (People's ids can be stolen and those people never know that there's an entry for themselves on line. Just as the people in Saudi Arabia didn't know their identities had been stolen until it was made international in claiming them as hijackers -- so they called in the corrections ... 5 of them, I think.)

Besides, Wanio AND Beamer have the same inconsistencies. And other ids with fake photos have no full background.

So ...

moot testimonials (unless all these inconsistencies can be explained). Wanna try?

LOL
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Some of these debunkers don't know science thinking!
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And you do?


If there is ANYONE who "don't know science thinking" it's Clare!

Clare has enough trouble just thinking, without complicating that with science.

Wrongo -- thinking about testable items IS science
, silly.
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Quoting and Bolding didn't post right.
Some of these debunkers don't know science thinking!


And you do?


If there is ANYONE who "don't know science thinking" it's Clare!

Clare has enough trouble just thinking, without complicating that with science.
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Wrongo -- thinking about testable items IS science, silly.
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The Moon DOES rotate; I always said it did relative to the Sun. Yikes! You really mix apples and oranges and continue mistakes long after they're cleared up.


26th repeat, just for consistancy sake...

You claim that all the 'confusion' was due to the fact that Nancy doesn't know that the Moon orbits Earth, yet her position that Newton doesn't properly explain the Lunar orbit show that she DOES know that the Moon orbits Earth.

Let's see if you ignore this for the 26th time. This, for the WIN!
 Quoting: Menow 992236

You are so into winners and losers. Sad.

Anyway, I have been posting a lot and probably missed some comment by you in that whole.

YOU said she didn't understand it even orbits, at one point.

YOU corrected that later and I replied.

She does not understand how that works (that there is rotation and tidal lock, though she knows the latter term but thinks it glues the Moon to one place).

So ... for you, since YOU are confused here on this Nancy issue:

She thinks it orbits but without rotation at any level of explaining the motion (superposition). She also seems not to know it orbits with progression (27.32166 days).

She thinks tidal lock holds it in place over the Earth, or something like that.

She also -- and this was MY point all along which you still don't understand -- doesn't understand that the Moon can rotate at the level of the relative motion forward around the Sun. It re-orients itself to the Earth, at that level of understanding the motions; it thus is turning, rotating as it makes a sine wave. At our level, though -- not just our VIEW but -- if you consider the Sun and Earth fixed in place, the Moon shows no rotation but a revolution of Earth. I mean, not just that the Earth sees it that way, but in our UNDERSTANDING (superposition) of current motion, when eliminating MENTALLY the complications of motion around the Sun, the Moon shows an orbit of us, a revolution, no rotation.

The latter is what's confusing Nancy, and why she thinks tidal lock "makes" the Moon face us "without any revolution".

I win. Satisfied, Menow? Now get off that. It's boring because a) we HAVE been over that, and b) Nancy's intent is to prophesy, not understand all motions. (Yes, prophesy -- pronounced "PRO-feh-sigh" -- is the verb, and prophecy -- pronounced "PRO-feh-see" -- is the noun).

The only reason her understanding of the Moon is or is not important, is to explain why she has to be wrong that the Moon is out of synch, or to correct her on what would happen to the Moon if the Earth were grabbed and torqued by something with a strong magneto-gravitic pull or magnetic push.

So, for the "WIN" I've replied, and I win. Why? Because I don't care to.
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At the risk of taking this thread back on topic, have you guys seen the relaunch status of the Zetasquawk page?Hilarious. Looks like the government is getting ready to launch a new campaign against Nancy. ROFLMAO.
[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
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52 PAGES OF COMMENTS ON ELIZABETH WIANIO'S LEGACY GUESTBOOK PAGE.

I DARE YOU TO TAKE YOUR ALLEGATIONS THAT SHE'S NOT "REAL" THERE, KUEHN.



[link to www.legacy.com]



Note:

All these entries can be by shills. You know of planted entries -- right? You do know?

To test them, we'd have to subpoena the people -- or identities.

Someone want to check out THEIR names on the SSDI?

That's what it would take.

And if any names checked out, see if the actual people matching any of the names knew Wanio ... AND if they did match any real names in the SSDI, ask them if was she the same as the person in the faked photos? (People's ids can be stolen and those people never know that there's an entry for themselves on line. Just as the people in Saudi Arabia didn't know their identities had been stolen until it was made international in claiming them as hijackers -- so they called in the corrections ... 5 of them, I think.)

Besides, Wanio AND Beamer have the same inconsistencies. And other ids with fake photos have no full background.

So ...

moot testimonials (unless all these inconsistencies can be explained). Wanna try?

LOL
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Insensitive Bitch. How would you feel if some nutcase wanted to subpoena you to prove whether or not your loved one really died? Those people are dead. Leave their families alone. They have been through enough!
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At the risk of taking this thread back on topic, have you guys seen the relaunch status of the Zetasquawk page?Hilarious. Looks like the government is getting ready to launch a new campaign against Nancy. ROFLMAO.
[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

So you're saying because its launch is delayed, it's not a gov't site?

Just want to get your drift here.


And it does seem odd they couldn't put up SOMETHING for us. Does it have to be a whole fancy Zetasquawk site before they put up ANYTHING?
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At the risk of taking this thread back on topic, have you guys seen the relaunch status of the Zetasquawk page?Hilarious. Looks like the government is getting ready to launch a new campaign against Nancy. ROFLMAO.
[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

So you're saying because its launch is delayed, it's not a gov't site?

Just want to get your drift here.


And it does seem odd they couldn't put up SOMETHING for us. Does it have to be a whole fancy Zetasquawk site before they put up ANYTHING?
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I can't talk about it, Clare. Sworn to secrecy. What's YOUR take on it. ROFLMAO
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Insensitive Bitch. How would you feel if some nutcase wanted to subpoena you to prove whether or not your loved one really died? Those people are dead. Leave their families alone. They have been through enough!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

Stop your griping.

The whole event must be investigated.

Why the fake phoos: cut-paste? And no SSDI?

Don't you know about REAL vs FAKE identities? Don't you know how rutheless on your emotions some people can be?

YOU explain the photos -- all, combined -- passenger list, and SSDI anomalies ...

and the fact that AMONG the photo fake anomalies, only a few have "families" -- with updated "entries".

It's ridiculous for you to assume these people have suffered. Don't assume anything.

Not in an intelligence op.

...................................

The real families are quite clear. They have multiple people around and multiple real photos and are updated all along and the people exist in the SSDI from the beginning.

So, dear Watson, be ruthless in your questions; kind in your manner.
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At the risk of taking this thread back on topic, have you guys seen the relaunch status of the Zetasquawk page?Hilarious. Looks like the government is getting ready to launch a new campaign against Nancy. ROFLMAO.
[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

So you're saying because its launch is delayed, it's not a gov't site?

Just want to get your drift here.


And it does seem odd they couldn't put up SOMETHING for us. Does it have to be a whole fancy Zetasquawk site before they put up ANYTHING?

I can't talk about it, Clare. Sworn to secrecy. What's YOUR take on it. ROFLMAO
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

Oh -- cute.

Well, my take on it is it's ... oh, wait! My computer was just beeping off and I can't acc...e..sss.....

ROTFLMAO
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The Death Master File (DMF) from the Social Security Administration (SSA) contains over 80 million records of deaths that have been reported to SSA. This file includes the following information on each decedent, if the data are available to the SSA: social security number, name, date of birth, date of death, state or country of residence (prior to Mar 1988), ZIP code of last residence, and ZIP code of lump sum payment. The SSA does not have a death record for all persons; therefore, SSA does not guarantee the veracity of the file. Thus, the absence of a particular person is not proof this person is alive.

[link to www.worldvitalrecords.com]
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To Anonymous Coward 908953 and the rest who doubt the fakery:

This is not a woo woo idea further grafted onto normal circumstances and having no evidence.

In fact it's a common practice of intelligence ops (not woo woo idea),
the circumstances are not normal (they are an intelligence op),
and there is strong evidence of identification forgery in the photos -- different kinds -- and SSDI missing identities.

So, we already know the planes were probably faked JUST from absolute proof of video fakery, known by the parallax problems, is certain, and from that we may ask why have parallax compositry for real planes to go in? We become certain of the plane fakery with other evidence (planted lammposts, wrong trajectories, witnesses who saw missiles and so on, Lear's objections, the placements of the holes and debris, and when ...

So there's no more reason not to look at what the evidence says towards this hypothesis about the passengers. Not only that, once you look, you find not only "one possible" forgery, you find 100 or more.

Use your heads, please. Then put your hearts back in -- into the RIGHT place. Help the real victims (including those abroad) to get justice, not the fake ones to support the false operation done on you. There is no evil, only good in what I'm saying; the evil was in what was done to us all.
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The Death Master File (DMF) from the Social Security Administration (SSA) contains over 80 million records of deaths that have been reported to SSA. This file includes the following information on each decedent, if the data are available to the SSA: social security number, name, date of birth, date of death, state or country of residence (prior to Mar 1988), ZIP code of last residence, and ZIP code of lump sum payment. The SSA does not have a death record for all persons; therefore, SSA does not guarantee the veracity of the file. Thus, the absence of a particular person is not proof this person is alive.

[link to www.worldvitalrecords.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Yes, of course.

Some people would not be registered or reported.

BUT THOSE OF 9/11????

With fake photos?

:)

So highly improbable it's astronomical.
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The point here is there are SO MANY duplicate faces, and so many non-bios and so many BAAD photos with no bios, and so many problematic morph brother-cousins with the same ears, etc. (only cropped), and so forth, and no updates in 9 years for MOST of them ... the ones with the seeming faked photos thus being the most suspicious ...

Then, as with Wanio and Beamer and a few others, they have photo irregularities of a major type AND are not in the SSDI. They DO have lots of acquaintence entries on them on a memorial log and some stories in newspapers, but all of that can be planted. They still have the same problems in the photos AND are not in the SSDI.

This is not ONLY about Wanio, therefore. She and Beamer and a few others make more sense as cover for the mass of others who are ONLY names and photos -- some with a "friend" mention 9 years ago. God, the two execs called "Colaio" who "wore the same t-shirt" and had a friend say they missed them -- 9 years ago? They ran companies with 650 persons, supposedly, and there's NO update from anyone in all those years -- except again a guest book? -- which may have been added since Sept Clues got the screen shot up, because on the screen shot, it was last updated Sept 9, 2003!!!!!!! Now the page is different. Hm ... sniff sniff hound dog.

Plus, for example on other low- or no-bio people: there's one guy with flipped face AND teeth, but one eye is smudged in one photo (the bad copy) which suggests it was the fake to give you an impression of two from one.

It goes on and on and on and on ...

Some may be real but then why so many fake photos?
Really.
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Re. the Colaio brothers screen shot: I mentioned no update for 9 years but it was 2003 -- so technically speaking 6 years. [link to septemberclues.info]

Now there are memorial entries and a different page. Niiice.
[link to www.legacy.com]

Champagne for the spooks, anyone? Did they do their job well enough you'll buy them champagne? On the backs of the REAL victims -- of 9/11 and the wars and the current oppression from them?

Champagne? I have a Paypal. Why not send me money. I'll guarantee it'll get to the "Colaio" brothers memorial fund for you ... it's called Spook Partay! They'll enjoy it for the Colaios.

Send an extra buck, and we can add in a flower for Wanio and Beamer and 800 others with no photo updates, no family, and duplicae photos. One buck to help so many false identities? Anybody wanna send a donation?

.........

Or you can GET YOUR HEADS AROUND THIS and hep the real victims' families and real, new victims, which are on-going.

Champagne, anyone?