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Facts.

You're devoid of facts. You were wrong, the stereo image clearly shows you to be wrong, you will never be right because you refuse to admit you were wrong.
 Quoting: Astronut

Nope: the stereo image has the slightest blur and major background movement WAY OUT OF PROPORTION to the shift to the left of the point of view.

And all other buildings remain the same ratios to each other, which means no wild lens distortion at the edges, either. Nor camera angle, pushing the bridge off-frame (with other buildings).

So this was a LAYER in the background.


Think it through, Astro.
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The parallax on the example you gave showed the movement of one tower out from behind the front one (as appropriate). That's gread. And in addition here the blunder is NO change in the shadow side on the right of the front tower, which should diminish accordingly. Who has eyes to see, here?


Look you bitch, there's nothing wrong with the parallax in the image from the video, it's exactly as it should be!!!!
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The "shadowed" side of the building does decrease in ratio compared to the rest of the building, but the building itself has nothing to be obscured by. It goes from a ratio of shadowed/lit side of 0.268 in the "right eye" image to a ratio of 0.254 in the "left eye" image I posted. You were dead fucking wrong, again.


DEAR Astronut, there is a smudgy left side and a bit on the right. Not enough. Honestly. Do you realize how much the bridge has moved? Not IN THE TOTAL FRAME but RELATIVE TO THE BUILDINGS?
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

That's because the helicopter is flying around the buildings while tracking them instead of the background you stupid idiot, which is why it shows far more parallax than the buildings. "Not enough" - by the opinion of a dipshit who didn't even understand how the building's appearance actually changed between two images presented to her multiple times. You're clueless, you don't know jack shit about how that bridge should have appeared to move. If it hadn't appeared to move that much in relation to the buildings then the parallax would be wrong and it would look like the relatively close buildings were at nearly the same level as the distant background. It's amazing, I show you to be a fucking moron about one thing and you go and switch goalposts to something else you're fucking wrong about.
I hereby say there is not ANYWHERE near enough natural difference between the two AND there was further smudging. I was fooled by the smudging.
 Quoting: clare

You're not even making sense now you fucking lunatic.
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I am saying there is a burden of proof on THEM now to prove their reality, not to offend any real victims -- God no! -- but to join with real victims in common cause against whoever planted the duplicate ids.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

That's not how it works you fucking lunatic, you're accusing them of faking their fucking dead relative and demanding that they prove they're not faking it. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they ARE faking it. You haven't done anything of the sort, just handwaved to bullshit you're wrong about. I demand you confront the family of Terence Adderley.

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Yeah, I agree. Reminds me of another pathetic troll. I really try to ignore her. I would like to get back to the topic of the thread, but I think that's why she is here, to kill all on topic discussion. Shit, if she started her own thread she would find a whole bunch of no planes tards to impress with her ignorance and baffle with bullshit. The only reason I can see for her insisting on spewing her bullshit on this thread only makes it pretty obvious that she intends to disrupt and bait people. Gonna try to ignore her from now on.

It's a bit odd that this is the ONLY thread she posts to on
GLP.
 Quoting: DrPostman

I recall seeing her post on the ZetaTalk thread before.
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The zoom out in the video shows no movement in the foreground either.

Layer in background.

SLIGHT blur in manipulated frame at your "stereo" example.

AND Commentator will have to acknowledge, at least to himself, that he was wrong -- per Astronut's own attempt at showing a stereo *difference* ... not only that, but without an equation to name it!

Lol.

Stop feeding the spooks.

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That's not how it works you fucking lunatic, you're accusing them of faking their fucking dead relative and demanding that they prove they're not faking it. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they ARE faking it. You haven't done anything of the sort, just handwaved to bullshit you're wrong about. I demand you confront the family of Terence Adderley.
 Quoting: Astronut

I have.

Pasted face, moved features to right slightly.

"Different shoot time" (unlike your claim!) per clothing -- but it's a fake, so that's not a problem.

Photos demonstrate likely non-reality of the character. If he's real, then he's been framed with fake photos -- a complication in the sub-hypothesis.

Now it's up to a DA.
We don't have one, so just WAKE UP for yourselves.

ALL of these duplicates and the FDNY morphs are co-incidences?

Sheesh.

Fletcher and Glascoe? HA HA HA
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DEAR Astronut, there is a smudgy left side and a bit on the right. Not enough. Honestly. Do you realize how much the bridge has moved? Not IN THE TOTAL FRAME but RELATIVE TO THE BUILDINGS?

That's because the helicopter is flying around the buildings while tracking them instead of the background you stupid idiot, which is why it shows far more parallax than the buildings.
 Quoting: Astronut


No. If the helicopter circled or flew that much, the other buildngs would shift. They DON'T.

Think of it, Astro. Get out of your emotions here.

The far zoom out in the video (one version of the shot goes way back with the camera) shows how the camera has NOT tracked close up -- that's just an impression.

But if it were closer and really flying far enough with a closer-up angle, tracking the buildings, there would be movement in the other buildings.

So, Astronut. You've been fooled by a slightly blurred still frame (the evidence of the blurring adjustments are even left -- sloppy work! -- at the bottom of the frame in your link).

Cheerio.
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I have.

Pasted face, moved features to right slightly.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

The features are different because they're two different photos you fucking lunatic, you can see the damn 3d shape of his head when you compare them side by side!!!
Photos demonstrate likely non-reality of the character.
 Quoting: clare

No, they do not.
Now it's up to a DA.
 Quoting: clare

No, you're the one making the claim, it's up to you confront them and expose them if you really believe this shit.
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I recall seeing her post on the ZetaTalk thread before.

I was referring to recently. Other than a thread about air
travel she has posted exclusively to Zetatalk threads.
 Quoting: DrPostman

I knew what you meant. I did post to one other place, but mostly I browsed daily top posts. I don't know if I was logged in when I posted.

I only heard of GLP from the Zeta issue, which I heard through a friend and looked into it.

Nighty night.
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I have.

Pasted face, moved features to right slightly.


The features are different because they're two different photos you fucking lunatic, you can see the damn 3d shape of his head when you compare them side by side!!!
 Quoting: Astronut


Isolate the features. Same. With DIFFERENT HEAD RELATIONSHIP: they put the features over a bit so the glasses would show a bit more of one "side". Otw, same.

TOO MANY with this kind of "near perfection". Wanio is a great example.
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So, Astronut. You've been fooled by a slightly blurred still frame (the evidence of the blurring adjustments are even left -- sloppy work! -- at the bottom of the frame in your link).

 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Look you fucking moron, the "blurring adjustment" in the bottom of my image is ME ROTATING THE GODDAMN IMAGE TO BE ROUGHLY THE SAME ANGLE FOR BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT EYE IMAGE; the result is that the layer beneath is exposed showing the original background layer for the image. It's got nothing to do with the video being fake you lunatic.
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So, Astronut. You've been fooled by a slightly blurred still frame (the evidence of the blurring adjustments are even left -- sloppy work! -- at the bottom of the frame in your link).


Look you fucking moron, the "blurring adjustment" in the bottom of my image is ME ROTATING THE GODDAMN IMAGE TO BE ROUGHLY THE SAME ANGLE FOR BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT EYE IMAGE; the result is that the layer beneath is exposed showing the original background layer for the image. It's got nothing to do with the video being fake you lunatic.
 Quoting: Astronut


Don't give her the satisfaction of getting you worked up. She's a troll, plainly.
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No, you're the one making the claim, it's up to you confront them and expose them if you really believe this shit.

Dude, she WANTS to get us worked up. Don't give her the
satisfaction.
 Quoting: DrPostman

No, I don't want you "worked up". I wanted to defend what was implied as being not true. You can be calm and also see that there should be building shifts for any major shift in background. ALL buildings in foreground shift. And majorly, even if tracked -- the towers would shift quite a bit if we were close up. The "stereo view" implies we are closer than the zoom out in one of the otherwise SHARED TV clips showed.

Even if closer and tracking the towers, we'd see more shift in the foreground right away than we do. This "stereo" has cut out much of the foreground so you don't notice so much.

There were no planes and few victims on 9/11. As to the rest of the issues, we needn't go there.

Night.
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I vote troll. And I think I've seen this style before.
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Chew toy troll.

I know, I know, I am being pedantic....;-)
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I vote troll. And I think I've seen this style before.



Chew toy troll.

I know, I know, I am being pedantic....;-)
 Quoting: The Commentator


The more she is ignored, the more shrill she gets. If we can all ignore it it will spin up to a crescendo of bullshit emission, then explode nova-like in yet another Troll melt-down.
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So, Astronut. You've been fooled by a slightly blurred still frame (the evidence of the blurring adjustments are even left -- sloppy work! -- at the bottom of the frame in your link).


Look you fucking moron, the "blurring adjustment" in the bottom of my image is ME ROTATING THE GODDAMN IMAGE TO BE ROUGHLY THE SAME ANGLE FOR BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT EYE IMAGE; the result is that the layer beneath is exposed showing the original background layer for the image. It's got nothing to do with the video being fake you lunatic.
 Quoting: Astronut

Oh you did it?

Okay. I retract that. Blurrier image.

Still, the foreground buildings do not move. Now DO THEY?

No.

Hence, where's all this movement in back coming from?

How much % did the bridge move in relation to the buildings?
SAME % (not same AMOUNT) should be the movement in the buildings, including the towers.

Check it.

Width of front tower being 100%. Now track to original placement of bridge. Now what?

And how much movement in EVEN MORE FOREGROUND BUILDINGS?


HMM?

Have you seen: 2:58 to 9:59?

No. Go back. Change in towers -- which Commentator thought was unnecessary -- lolol -- but WAY MORE in bridge. So much it's laughable. It's even on the opposite side, way over!

How much is THAT percentage?!

Do wake up please.
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Chew toy troll.

I know, I know, I am being pedantic....;-)
 Quoting: The Commentator

No, Commentator: at least you're dethroned on your self-imposed dungeon chair of insisting the building behind shouldn't move if the background moves ...

or that you need equations to know it!

LOL!

.................

You don't seem to know what pedantic means, by your use of it here: it means knowing fine points and lording it over others; it does not mean being supercilious (condescending) and brutish, which you imply.

I can see where you'd get that impression, though, because pedants do lord it over others, but the word refers to their picayune (picky) sophistry as well as their lording it over others -- at the same time.
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The more she is ignored, the more shrill she gets. If we can all ignore it it will spin up to a crescendo of bullshit emission, then explode nova-like in yet another Troll melt-down.
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Nonsense. I am emphasizing.

It looks shrill, maybe, because of the red.

I don't want the point to be missed by Astronut in his probably tired glossy eyes.

The percentage is wrong. Way wrong.

The impressions created are complex by cut-off video segments, zooms and pans. But the actual problems are there.

Hub. Fake. :(
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I would suggest, and strongly support, a total boycott of all its posts.
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I would suggest, and strongly support, a total boycott of all its posts.
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Ooo -- just as Astronut is going to wake up to the fact (as you all can -- that the PERCENTAGE OF MOVEMENT in the bridge far outdoes any blur change or actual change in the towers, and all OTHER buildings ...

which is NOT okay whether you're tracking the towers or not.

:)

Don't do that to him. LOL! He'll need support when he gets this.

So will some of you, it seems.
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mclarek is fake.


 Quoting: DrPostman

Very funny.

:)

At least my photos are not near or complete duplicate heads, even IF they didn't represent ME.

LOL!

And my cousins don't look like morphs of me, either. :)
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mclarek is fake.



:Zidiotalk:
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See how shrill it gets when it fears it will be ignored?
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mclarek is fake.


See how shrill it gets when it fears it will be ignored?
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Shrill? A little "ooo" is shrill?

LOL.

You don't know shrill then.

Just as you don't see the "Colaios" and so on are SHILLS (well, shells, with the odd spook relative).
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I would suggest, and strongly support, a total boycott of all its posts.

Ooo -- just as Astronut is going to wake up to the fact (as you all can -- that the PERCENTAGE OF MOVEMENT in the bridge far outdoes any blur change or actual change in the towers, and all OTHER buildings ...
 Quoting: mclarek 986233

Which is exactly what you should expect given that the camera is tracking the towers.
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
Note the far lower "percentage of movement" of the glass vase compared to the refrigerator and other background objects. A simple demonstration, the tracking by hand isn't perfect, but the point is clear.

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So, Astronut, get it yet?

Still, the foreground buildings do not move. Now DO THEY?

No.

Hence, where's all this movement in back coming from?

How much % did the bridge move in relation to the buildings?


SAME % (not same AMOUNT) should be the movement in the buildings, including the towers.

Check it.

Width of front tower being 100%. Now track to original placement of bridge. Now what?

And how much movement in EVEN MORE FOREGROUND BUILDINGS?


HMM?

Have you seen: 2:58 to 9:59?

No. Go back. Change in towers -- which Commentator thought was unnecessary -- lolol -- but WAY MORE in bridge. So much it's laughable. It's even on the opposite side, way over!

How much is THAT percentage?!

Do wake up please.
 Quoting: Astronut

Soon you might be able to deal with Colaios with no memorials from 2003-2009 (and only one from 2003) who now get back-dated hellos on line?

Or copy-paste Wanios?

Or morphed name samples in bunches?

Or FDNY inflated existences -- some real with a morph from them? I dunno. But there should be NONE of these irregularities, or, if one, only a very inconclusive one. Not multiple ones. Some with same angle on every shot, etc.

Get it?
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I would suggest, and strongly support, a total boycott of all its posts.

Ooo -- just as Astronut is going to wake up to the fact (as you all can -- that the PERCENTAGE OF MOVEMENT in the bridge far outdoes any blur change or actual change in the towers, and all OTHER buildings ...

Which is exactly what you should expect given that the camera is tracking the towers.
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
Note the far lower "percentage of movement" of the glass vase compared to the refrigerator and other background objects. A simple demonstration, the tracking by hand isn't perfect, but the point is clear.
 Quoting: Astronut


You've made excellent points, well documented and explained. This mclarek thing is obviously not in the least interested in trying to understand anything. It simply wants to argue with everything you post, no matter how much sense you make!
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I would suggest, and strongly support, a total boycott of all its posts.

Ooo -- just as Astronut is going to wake up to the fact (as you all can -- that the PERCENTAGE OF MOVEMENT in the bridge far outdoes any blur change or actual change in the towers, and all OTHER buildings ...

Which is exactly what you should expect given that the camera is tracking the towers.
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
Note the far lower "percentage of movement" of the glass vase compared to the refrigerator and other background objects. A simple demonstration, the tracking by hand isn't perfect, but the point is clear.
 Quoting: Astronut

No, you would expect same PERCENTAGE, not same AMOUNT.

Know the difference?

And you would also get big shifts in buildings nearer to you.

Any luck?!
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I would suggest, and strongly support, a total boycott of all its posts.

Ooo -- just as Astronut is going to wake up to the fact (as you all can -- that the PERCENTAGE OF MOVEMENT in the bridge far outdoes any blur change or actual change in the towers, and all OTHER buildings ...

Which is exactly what you should expect given that the camera is tracking the towers.
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
Note the far lower "percentage of movement" of the glass vase compared to the refrigerator and other background objects. A simple demonstration, the tracking by hand isn't perfect, but the point is clear.
 Quoting: Astronut

bump can't wait to see you bitch about this. Did I fake this video, troll, or were you fucking wrong about the 'percentage of movement' the distant bridge should have displayed?
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No, you would expect same PERCENTAGE, not same AMOUNT.
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I didn't use the word "amount" anywhere in my post. My video demonstrates the same effect seen in the WTC video.
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You've made excellent points, well documented and explained. This mclarek thing is obviously not in the least interested in trying to understand anything. It simply wants to argue with everything you post, no matter how much sense you make!
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Clearly you're absolutely right about this. I could argue the color of the sky and she would disagree with me just to disagree.
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