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Granted I've been gone for a long time, but the two mclarek posts aboive confuse me -- why is she using the clunk taunt?

Have I gone mad? Are the painkillers that strong? Why is there a duck on my head?
 Quoting: Returner 997


They are the clunks and nasties. I have decided to use their false terms for me, and manner, at them.

Hello, Returner. How are you?

I am being supposed to be a major sick female by one Finnish fellow, for having talked to you and responded to your flirtations; and for ever having called anyone "dear".

This, of course, after he tried to suggest Sept Clues were nasty fraudsters, and couldn't: massive fail (as so many say). However, I don't actually want to point out people's failures, in a esponsively nasty manner; I simply want the media perps to be caught by the people and the killings they helped start, to stop.

:)
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BTW, does anybody know how to mark a thread as Favourite?

One thing I use a lot is "Read It Later" which is a Firefox
addon: [link to readitlaterlist.com]

I especially like it when I see a link I'm interested in but
don't have the time to look at yet.
 Quoting: DrPostman

Knowing myself that list would only grow longer and longer.
You should see my pile of 'to-read' dead tree books.


wthread
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Considering the subject matter, how could it not be?
book
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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Granted I've been gone for a long time, but the two mclarek posts aboive confuse me -- why is she using the clunk taunt?

Have I gone mad? Are the painkillers that strong? Why is there a duck on my head?


If you can't beat them, join them I guess...
 Quoting: Setheory 869850


I have beat them. Their echoing parroting (and their uncareful thinking) is so stupid.

I have shown the truth of the matter about the media on 9/11 ... and spoken on Nancy's beliefs and they got that wrong and thought I believed it! LOL!

So, I turn their nonsense on them. Why not? They actually need to hear it, not I.

cool2
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wthread

Considering the subject matter, how could it not be?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Earth stoppage? Yes.

Me? No.

LOL!

banana2
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Returner:

since you've returned:

Just want you to know the numbers of people parrotting Commentator over the past week or two, with the clunk nonsense had ballooned and become disruptive inane ganging, babbling on and on. That's why today I replied it like kind.

It puts discussion back on the table with those who don't use the term for me.
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Granted I've been gone for a long time, but the two mclarek posts aboive confuse me -- why is she using the clunk taunt?

Have I gone mad? Are the painkillers that strong? Why is there a duck on my head?
 Quoting: Returner 997


I can only answer about the duck. I put it there... for the yuks.
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Earth stoppage? Yes.

Me? No.

LOL!

banana2
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307

Yet another thing you deluded about.

The subject matter of this thread is Zetas 100% Wrong Yet Again!!,
NOT YOU.
book

[...] with the clunk nonsense had ballooned and become disruptive inane ganging, babbling on and on.
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307

Take a hint will ya?

There is only one person here who is disruptively and inanely babbling on and on.

We would like you to go away and bother other people.
book
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It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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Without actually having to carefully read through all this junk, let me see if this is anywhere close to a summary of what I've missed:

Clare: If the earth were stopped in orbit, the constellations could be made to appear normal by tilting the planet back and forth on its axis.

Response: No, that's ridiculous. A motivated 12 year old could understand why.

Clare: The Zetas could be bending light.

Response: That's in the realm of the supernatural and is untestable.

Clare: I knew that. Let me explain it to you. I know the Philosophy of Science.

Response: Fuck you.

Clare: Crikey! Look at all the earthquakes!

Let me just represent this in proper proportions for Fuck You:

Clare: Nancy is ignorantly or gullibly representing God-like Zetas who can do these things.

F-u: Clare thinks the Zetas can do anything!

Clare: Never said that.
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307


No one ever SAID that about you either. You can only react emotionally to what you THINK people say, not what they REALLY DO say.


(snip remaining misrepresentations)
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BTW, zetasquawk is back and what a hoot!

I don't think the Ningcompoops have noticed that yet.
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I've got another page working - it would appear that a supposed meteorologist never heard of supercooled droplets or that water can remain liquid below 32 degrees F (i.e., supercooled droplets).
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The constellations are in the correct places (minus parallax) with a tilt change;

Wrong. Titlting the earth will not make the constellations appear to be in the right places, it will only cause them to appear to be in a wrong location.

It is a ludicrous concept unless we are dealing with total technical magic of Zeta-"gods". But that is the level of this particular claim.

You're the one claiming this magic, not even Nancy claims "bendy light" as the solution. She claims tilting as the solution. Tilting would make things worse, it would not put anything in the right place.

I already indicated that bending all the starlight or Sun, and planets is the requirement (and the putative Zetas say they do -- either lying or because they don't exist).

So now clare is hearing voices in her head too.



Astronut is hearing half of Nancy's claims -- as Menow's points clarified:

Nancy does mention light bending;

 Quoting: mclarek 1004307


You're misrepresenting again. My offering did NOT support what YOU claim Nancy said.


she may think tilting would do the whole deal


No. Nancy also claims other movements are being utilized, but what care YOU for the real details of that upon which you expound at vomitious length

(it would not) but since she mentions light bending a lot to correct the planets, I submit it is you who are "hearing voices": of malicious unreason.
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307


You really don't know WHAT Nancy says. You only pretend that you do.

:)

And no, it is not my own claim. And no, again for you deaf people, I don't think tilting on a stoppage would accomplish what is necessary to fool us; only wild light-bending of the sort that Nancy claims for her putative Zetas would do this.

You are being a 'tard in this post. Not to mention deaf to what I really said.
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I see you are avoiding your claim that the Sun and some stars would be affected differently.
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No, you're completely out to lunch on this one and making yourself look like even more of an idiot.


The tilt would put the constellations in the right place, but not the Sun.

Epic fail, it would do no such thing. Thanks for proving to everyone how clueless you are. Tilting would throw off the position of every constellation, whether we were stopped or not. It would only create a new and very obvious problem with the sky.



Thanks for pointing out what cluelessness you have.

The reason the constelations appear above or below the ecliptic is only due to the tilt.
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307



BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA.A.A.AA.A.A.A....!!!!!!

Ohh... sorry, neighbors....
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I called Menow dear at some point in a sweet way. If it was before he did in nastiness (or used some equivalent), then it's true I didn't technically follow but led.
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Wrong again... *I* said it to you first, sarcastically, and you objected, but then started up, in kind, yourself. Now I just enjoy pissing you off in any way I can, dear.
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Not if the putative Zetas have FIXED ALL ELSE
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What a stupid hypothysis... and you think *I* should worry about testing for THAT? Not a chance, dear.



You are a fucking lunatic.


You didn't address the question, and it is not a lunatic point. So, what do you think, other than ANOTHER MAGNET, such as PX could cause holes of repulsion when the Sun is attracting us?
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307



Maybe you will READ this THIS time:


Menow: The "Zeta" claim is that the repulsion force rises to equal the force of gravity at the point of contact between large bodies like PX and the Sun. So, Clare, how does that keep PX allegedly hovering near the Sun for 7 years and slow PX from near lightspeed as it allegeldy careened toward the Sun?
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F-u: Clare thinks the Zetas can do anything!

Clare: Never said that.


No one ever SAID that about you either. You can only react emotionally to what you THINK people say, not what they REALLY DO say.

 Quoting: Menow 1003573


Bullshit, Menow. YOU don't read all their posts to me, then, or you misrepresent them to yourself, and some of the implictions of what you've been saying to me about this putatve Zeta ability to fix all phenomena so they're untestable.

Several times you and others have implied (and some have stated) that I believe the Zetas ad the fairy-like abilities attributed to them -- and that I believe the earth could be stopped and nothing would change, and ignoring how I keep saying that's not true.
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Earth stoppage? Yes.

Me? No.

LOL!

banana2

Yet another thing you deluded about.

The subject matter of this thread is Zetas 100% Wrong Yet Again!!,
NOT YOU.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


RIGHT NOW, silly, it was about me and my supposedly inadequate mind. You know that.

book

Don't misrepresent the specific context of my statement: which is the here and now.

[...] with the clunk nonsense had ballooned and become disruptive inane ganging, babbling on and on.

Take a hint will ya?

There is only one person here who is disruptively and inanely babbling on and on.

We would like you to go away and bother other people.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Your "we" is not universal AND the ganging up was as if my POINTS were false, when they were not. The people who WERE taking interest in them were misrepresenting their claims about my points.

book

So, my point stands: it is STUPID ganging.
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BTW, zetasquawk is back and what a hoot!

I don't think the Ningcompoops have noticed that yet.


I've got another page working - it would appear that a supposed meteorologist never heard of supercooled droplets or that water can remain liquid below 32 degrees F (i.e., supercooled droplets).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1005557


1005557: is this on zetasquawk [link, please?] and if so, what's the context of the mistake? What is Nancy saying it means -- if she's the one talking of it?
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I called Menow dear at some point in a sweet way. If it was before he did in nastiness (or used some equivalent), then it's true I didn't technically follow but led.



Wrong again... *I* said it to you first, sarcastically, and you objected, but then started up, in kind, yourself. Now I just enjoy pissing you off in any way I can, dear.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573


Address the man who attacked me, Menow, or you're an ass.

He suggested I had done it first. Turn your point on him.

I merely said here that IF he's correct, then fine, I would only have done it in sweetness.

I AM NOT GETTING THIS WRONG; you, in not recognizing that, are assisting the gangers.

Prove yourself by addressing HIM.
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The constellations are in the correct places (minus parallax) with a tilt change;


And you STTTTIIIIIILLLLLLLLL apply parallax to Earth-tilt, when it does not.
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No, jerk attitude.

I suggest here only that WITH (i.e., in addition) a tilt change, a STOPPAGE would stop the parallax ...

I was speaking in shorthand in this place and the context (and which I have repeated even more than you and your nonsense about it) ... is that the STOPPAGE is the issue for parallax; but since the tilt is claimed by Nancy in the same breath, the two are combined in her picture; and .....

THUSSSSSSSSSSS

as I've stated again and again
the parallax would be ALL that's left for you to test for a stoppage (cum tilt, since supposedly both are going together in Nancy's claim).
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Then why do you KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP TALKING ABOUT IT?!?!
 Quoting: Menow 1003573


I refuse to let you misrepresent me, my point, or the statements along the way out of context of my comments.

And you keep doing it, so I kept (for a while) re-presenting the points ...

Now I just deal with your specific misrepresentations.
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The constellations are in the correct places (minus parallax) with a tilt change; but any that are behind the Sun at that point we stopped, would have to be "shown" by real bent weird light or holographs or whatever, as the Sun's light would be also ---- a ridiculous major movement of the Sun's light by the Zetas.



Oh... I know what you are saying now. It's still wrong, but in a different way than I thought. The position and role of the Sun is irrelevant. The constellations will NOT be in the correct positions in the sky if Earth is tilted away from the norm. Period.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573



They will be okay RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER ...

and they will roughly show in winter-summer from a tilt-change ...

so only parallax to show STOPPAGE is the thing you haven't bothered to test -- among all the other things which are/seem normal re. stoppage and tilt.

Let me REEEEPPEEEEAAATT:

ALL LOOKS NORMAL> all therefore is normal unless these Zetas have the abilities Nancy posits for them -- not I.

The only thing which you have not tested yourself is ... parallax. Thus, that is it. And if you do and it's fine, too, the tautological aspect of Nancy's claim precludes your success in "debunking" that aspect, yes, like a religion in that way. But only in that way, since there are things you MIGHT be able to test in it: if the Zetas let you see their handiwork (in the claim, not mine).
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MENOW:

Remember when I thought beifly you had joined in the others claiming I was a sexual jerk?

Well, that AC quoted that earlier comment (the one I'd already apologized for). (I have now removed it, to make the post here shorter.)

Now you're misunderstanding that the comments I made about IF AC was right and I'd used "dear" first, were meant for HIM, not you.

SO: if you're going to say you did the "dear" thing first, at least tell HIM. He is the one who thought I did it first (and as a sex thing).

Also, I chose just to say if he was right then I did it in niceness; I never said I did it first.

So set HIM straight.



Don't you check anything before you post, Clare? Yeah, you don't. That would be too much trouble for you and you're just tooooo lazy.

Clare, you started the flirt with Menow and he didn't respond to it. In the Zetatalk thread May 15 you did indeed write to Menow that you like him, and you also wrote to him that "Anyway, you are so feisty, are you cute, too?" So you started that thing, not them.

You followed Menow onto this thread and you were the one who started calling people "dear". You can check that, starting from page 520.

But you were just being sweeeeet? Really?

This isn't your dating service so you have to go elsewhere for that. Nor is this your chat thread so get lost.






Hey, AC,

You who is so obsessed with meaningless detail and misinterpreting even that:

I called Menow dear at some point in a sweet way. If it was before he did in nastiness (or used some equivalent), then it's true I didn't technically follow but led.

But hey! In my posts I ended -- OOPS, that's context! so take an aspirin for your head! -- with smiles and niceties and positive tones.

So man get your head out of your you know where and realize people can be sweet and nice.

Whoa! In context -- oh that fearsome word again! brace yourself! -- the nastiness was direct and intimate in the negative sense, not sexual though, so my niceness was direct, too.

Oops! This guy AC can't handle the fact he has no evidence against Sept Clues that withstands full cross-examination and so becomes sex-attack obsessed.

Take a valium and re-read the rebuttals to your video's arguments. Then a real discussion may ensue -- past these ad hominem attacks on me.
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Menow:

That word in the last post, line 1, was supposed to be "briefly" not the typo "beifly".
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You're misrepresenting again. My offering did NOT support what YOU claim Nancy said.


she may think tilting would do the whole deal
 Quoting: Menow 1003573


Nancy's claims vary on this issue: she has the earth stopped and the Zetas tilting it AND manipulating whatever changes that would entail in other things.

I see you are avoiding your claim that the Sun and some stars would be affected differently.
 Quoting: Menow


ALL things would be different. I've said so again and again. The tilting would HELP the constellations, but they would not be correct either. Nothing would be in the right place. AND the Sun would be in the way of some constellations. So the only correction would be magic Zetas and weird light bending or something like that. And no I don't believe that, but it's all that would account for things seeming normal -- except for parallax which no-one has thought to apply to the issue of stopped rotation yet, as you said, and I was the only one who thought of it.

Yay for me!

But even if you tested all and all was fine, because of the tautology in the propostition by Nancy, you would still not have DISPROVED HER ACTUAL CLAIM: because the Zetas could still be said to be only making all APPEAR okay.



The only thing that you haven't specifically tested is lack of parallax (from stoppage) -- all else is/seems normal.

Now drop it. It's BORING and has been from near to the beginning, but this takes the cake.

So, having outlined my position once again, will you finally GET IT and DROP THE SILLY PICKINGS you are on about?



Now you're getting boring, really really really.
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You may be interested in this for a break . . .

Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!

Re: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! Quote

The Smoking Gun
of Contrails/Chemtrails . . .
from now on I will call them TRAILS.

Picture below is from wikipedia with the following caption: Airliner contrails, some new, some old and much spread out by wind shear [link to en.wikipedia.org]


For all the Advocates from both sides . . . after looking for sometime regarding the controversy I have found something that explains part of the issue quite well.

1. There has been an increase in persistent trails in our atmosphere for quite sometime (see Note under b) & c) below).
2. The aircraft industry is quite aware of this fact. (the number of papers is significant, see reference list below from pages 8-9 of II. Comparing the CO2 emissions and contrail formation from short and long haul air traffic routes from London Heathrow
Victoria Williams *, Robert B. Noland)
3. Significant research has gone into the technical reasons for this fact. (see reference list as above)
4. They are well aware that Trails can effect weather/climate of the earth! (see a) below)
5. My final thought is Persistent Contrails = Chemtrails. (Particulate & water vapor released at altitude by aircraft without the knowledge or consent of the people which is and will modify local and worldwide weather patterns and climate)

I. Fredirik Haglind of the Swedish Defense Research Agency, Stockholm, Sweden presents a paper which has been available online since 23 Dec 2007. The paper is entitled: "Potential of lowering the contrail formation of aircraft exhausts by engine re-design."
Abstract
[link to www.sciencedirect.com]

a) The indirect effects of water vapour (contrails and contrail-cirrus) and particles from aircraft may play a major role in the climate impact of air traffic.
b) The contrail formation is affected by the engine propulsion efficiency, which grows with decreasing exhaust gas temperature. (My NOTE: Engines have been increasing in efficiency for decades and the number of flights with these engines have steadily increased)
c) An engine performing with a higher overall propulsion efficiency causes plume conditions which during mixing reach a higher relative humidity for the same ambient temperature, thus causing contrails also at a higher ambient temperature.
d) This paper is aimed at finding technical solutions for the aircraft engines that temporarily decrease the propulsion efficiency, and thereby may alleviate the formation of contrails. Such a measure is to be applied when the aircraft flies through regions where persistent contrails are likely to form. The results suggest that by employing variable guide vanes for the fan of the engine, it would be possible to reduce the threshold formation temperature of contrails by about 1.5 K in the troposphere, corresponding to an altitude of about 300 m. In the stratosphere the beneficial effects are greater. This measure is accompanied by a decrease in overall efficiency by 10–11% points, giving an increase in specific fuel consumption by 42–48%, depending on altitude.

II. Comparing the CO2 emissions and contrail formation from short and long haul air traffic routes from London Heathrow Victoria Williams *, Robert B. Noland [link to www.aseanenvironment.info]

To a first order approximation, increased probability of contrail would be expected to result in an increase in the probability of formation of contrail–cirrus, but the response would be highly sensitive to local atmospheric conditions which govern contrail persistence and spreading. Like contrail and cirrus, NOx emissions and their impacts depend on both altitude and background atmospheric conditions and differences between long and short haul impacts may be significant.


Fig. 3 – Kilometer contrail per aircraft km. Mean contrail over 5 years for: (a) January short haul, (b) January long haul, (c) July short haul and (d) July long haul.



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If the number of persistence and visible aircraft TRAILS and resulting cirrus clouds are on the increase due to high efficiency engines then the effect would be very obvious if high altitude traffic was halted or suspended . . . see the following:



SEE BELOW:




Take the two images above, the first, dated April 10th 2010, before the volcano erupted, shows a large amount of contrails, and lots of cirrus clouds, many of which are probably contrail induced cirrus. That was taken before the volcano erupted. The second image, dated April 17th, shows no contrails at all. The simple conclusion here is that removing air traffic made for vastly clearer skies over the UK. [link to contrailscience.com]

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Menow (and cc. to AC 1001905):

Re. sweetness or not in my initial "dear"s, Menow:

You are right -- I think I did near the beginning or at the beginning actually use it in sarcasm back. Yes.

(Conratry to 1001905, by the way.)

But ... contrary to you both ...
I always switched back, quickly, within a post or in the next one or so, to being nice. Eventually, most of my "dears" were nice, and even at or near the beginning, I switched your taunts and my meeting your taunts with the same, into niceness. :)

So:

a) YOU led the way, contrary to what the other guy said
b) YOU said you are now being nasty because I replied: which means you're a jerk, a baiter and viciously passive aggressive
c) YOU have demonstrated I was not baiting, or being particularly sexual (not only in my replies which met your meanness, but also in actually making a statement about me in general a few pages ago), so address the sexual 1001905 about that, or you are being more of an a--.
d) I have still mostly only used the terms nicely, except when baited for a time, so both you and 1001905 are unfair to me about any bad uses I used (non-sexual, and any replies of taunting back to you).

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What's it about? It used to be about debunking ridiculous claims of Nancy Lieder and her imaginary Zetas. However for more than a hundred pages now, we have an utter retard attention seeking troll who can't read thread titles and insists on spamming the thread with off topic 911 conspiracy nut drivel and chemtrailtard ravings, despite the fact that we all just want her to shut up and start her own thread. That's about it in a nutshell.
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Cool, George.

I am interested. I am sick of these clunkers ... :)

By the way, they started again; we had 4 hours without and now this again. I saw one of the big jet-like tankers (not huge, but pretty big) clearly in low altitude with the side tanks on its midriff, between the wings and the tail. Saw it from below; the tank areas were really obvious.


Rain smear blear then windy/cloudy blue clearing out, but now building blear and cloud again. They are not going to give us a summer this time, I guess.
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Not if the putative Zetas have FIXED ALL ELSE


What a stupid hypothysis... and you think *I* should worry about testing for THAT? Not a chance, dear.
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Yes, a stupid hypothesis but it is what you are up against.

You can never actually defeat this claim by Nancy.

I wouldn't try.

So, what do you think, other than ANOTHER MAGNET, such as PX could cause holes of repulsion when the Sun is attracting us?



Maybe you will READ this THIS time:


Menow: The "Zeta" claim is that the repulsion force rises to equal the force of gravity at the point of contact between large bodies like PX and the Sun. So, Clare, how does that keep PX allegedly hovering near the Sun for 7 years and slow PX from near lightspeed as it allegeldy careened toward the Sun?
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So?

What do you think of that? I already said, it might have to do with electromagnetism or unknown force potentials in our system. If it's true at all.

And AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN: you think what?

............................

And what, AGAIN SINCE YOU CAN'T READ do you think is causing our repulsion holes in the magnetosphere IF NOT ANOTHER MAGNET LIKE A CHARGED PX?
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Hey 74444 -- did you realize I replied and have anything to say on the e-m issue?

Again, sorry 74444 that I missed your posts during that flurry with Astronut about the SOHO images.

Do not hold grudges for such small things, please.

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