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Menow User ID: 1003573 United States 06/16/2010 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The constellations are in the correct places (minus parallax) with a tilt change; but any that are behind the Sun at that point we stopped, would have to be "shown" by real bent weird light or holographs or whatever, as the Sun's light would be also ---- a ridiculous major movement of the Sun's light by the Zetas. Quoting: mclarek 1004307Oh... I know what you are saying now. It's still wrong, but in a different way than I thought. The position and role of the Sun is irrelevant. The constellations will NOT be in the correct positions in the sky if Earth is tilted away from the norm. Period. They will be okay RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER ... Well, duh... And? and they will roughly show in winter-summer from a tilt-change ... Quoting: mclarek 1004307I can only guess that "roughly show in winter-summer" means that they will be in the right places. NO, THEY WILL NOT. Not at all. so Quoting: mclarek 1004307Your above premise is totally faulty, SO what follows is useless. only parallax to show STOPPAGE is the thing you haven't bothered to test -- among all the other things which are/seem normal re. stoppage and tilt. Quoting: mclarek 1004307See above. Let me REEEEPPEEEEAAATT: Quoting: mclarek 1004307ALL LOOKS NORMAL> all therefore is normal unless these Zetas have the abilities Nancy posits for them -- not I. Why don't you stop fucking talking about this ridiculous notions? The only thing which you have not tested yourself is ... parallax. Quoting: mclarek 1004307Absolutely absurd. You have no idea what I may or may not have 'tested', yet you KEEP repeating that you do. Thus, that is it. And if you do and it's fine, too, the tautological aspect of Nancy's claim precludes your success in "debunking" that aspect, yes, like a religion in that way. But only in that way, since there are things you MIGHT be able to test in it: if the Zetas let you see their handiwork (in the claim, not mine). Quoting: mclarek 1004307Stop bringing it up. It's absurd, as is your 'explanation' of how it should be thought about by others. |
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Menow User ID: 1003573 United States 06/16/2010 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're misrepresenting again. My offering did NOT support what YOU claim Nancy said. Quoting: mclarek 1004307she may think tilting would do the whole deal Nancy's claims vary on this issue: she has the earth stopped and the Zetas tilting it AND manipulating whatever changes that would entail in other things. I see you are avoiding your claim that the Sun and some stars would be affected differently. ALL things would be different. I've said so again and again. The tilting would HELP the constellations, It would do no such thing, as has been explained to you maybe 18 times now. (snip unendurable blather) |
Menow User ID: 1003573 United States 06/16/2010 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not if the putative Zetas have FIXED ALL ELSE Quoting: mclarek 1004307What a stupid hypothysis... and you think *I* should worry about testing for THAT? Not a chance, dear. Yes, a stupid hypothesis but it is what you are up against. You can never actually defeat this claim by Nancy. I wouldn't try. So, what do you think, other than ANOTHER MAGNET, such as PX could cause holes of repulsion when the Sun is attracting us? Maybe you will READ this THIS time: Menow: The "Zeta" claim is that the repulsion force rises to equal the force of gravity at the point of contact between large bodies like PX and the Sun. So, Clare, how does that keep PX allegedly hovering near the Sun for 7 years and slow PX from near lightspeed as it allegeldy careened toward the Sun? So? What do you think of that? I already said, it might have to do with electromagnetism or unknown force potentials in our system. If it's true at all. And AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN: you think what? ............................ And what, AGAIN SINCE YOU CAN'T READ do you think is causing our repulsion holes in the magnetosphere IF NOT ANOTHER MAGNET LIKE A CHARGED PX? You are cleary unable to comprehend the utter contradiction in that "Zeta" claim, since you said it would explain slowing of PX as it allegeldy approached the Sun at high speed. You are an idiot about things like that. |
The Commentator User ID: 587619 United States 06/16/2010 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Earth stoppage? Yes. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCDMe? No. LOL! Yet another thing you deluded about. The subject matter of this thread is Zetas 100% Wrong Yet Again!!, NOT YOU. [...] with the clunk nonsense had ballooned and become disruptive inane ganging, babbling on and on. Take a hint will ya? There is only one person here who is disruptively and inanely babbling on and on. We would like you to go away and bother other people. + 1E10^7 Just to confuse the clunk.... non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
The Commentator User ID: 587619 United States 06/16/2010 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Attacking me and all evidence and hypotheses I have shown them. Quoting: DrPostmanPlus, confusing me and Nancy. Please come down off that cross. We need the wood for better uses. One has to wonder whether they are one and the same troll.... non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 908953 Canada 06/16/2010 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did no such thing. I joined. And others maligned me and the content of my posts. I rebutted and on major points am correct. Quoting: mclarek 1004307You were maligned because you insisted on spamming the thread with off topic blather and ignored requests to keep it on topic. What did you expect? And why can't you take it to a thread of your own where you can blather on to your hearts content without being maligned? You are the arrogant one. I happen to be right. Quoting: mclarek 1004307Oh the fucking irony. ROFLMAO You misidentify arrogance with self-esteem to fight bullies and get to the interesting stuff anyway. :) Quoting: mclarek 1004307Self esteem is knowing when to shut up instead of making a fool of yourself in a room full of people who didn't invite you and wish you would leave. |
Catseye User ID: 1005747 Dominican Republic 06/16/2010 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been unable to read clare's posts for the previous few dozen pages. I've been skimming through them a bit, but it's like a virtual nightmare at speed reading class. It is already nonsensical taken word for word, but try to chop it up and it's just a bunch of . . . well, clunk! For heaven's sake, clare, fifty pages back I was crawling with embarrassment for you and you have kept on! Oooh, that was funny, biefly and sexual in the same sentence. Wow, more Freudian slips abound! And the insults are growing in intensity. I think someone's coming unglued and now it's getting fun to watch. You do have a gift: you can speak 200 words per minute with gusts up to 300. But you have verbal diarrhea and mental constipation. I said before your cheese slid off your cracker, clare, but it's obviously much more than that. I'll just bet that by now, some college professor has printed out your posts and has given them to his students as an assignment - like point out the specific psychological characteristics of this poster. Maybe it's just for extra credit, but you are better than any made-up example! And just when I thought the looniness was limited to Planet X and 911, you come up with this: "They say it's a gas explosion in a weak area of Mexico City -- which means the ground shifted and the explosion was secondary." This is how your mind works! Everything has some sinister, mysterious, known-only-to-you force behind it and you are doing your best to try to get this across from your home Planet Loony to us here on earth. And you said Menow was confused! you guessed it, quiz time! mclarek: a) b) c) but Contemplation of vision of parallax earth constant that magnetoholes of repulsion are ascending through and causing earthquakes and retrograde hemorrhoids: a) b) c) Everyone's reaction to this quote by mclarek: "I wouldn't bother, though, but then again just because I don't believe putative Zetas are doing physical light-bending "magic" on us doesn't mean they may not in fact be -- for it's untestable." a) b) c) The only help for mclarek at this point: a) b) c) What you have to be to believe that earth has a dark twin hiding on the other side of the sun and that a rogue planet has invaded the inner solar system: a) b) c) Yeah, I know, this quiz was but so is the subject matter. |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK... have it YOUR way. So if you DON'T believe that or care to be discussing it, why do you KEEP on talking about it as if it is a REAL possibility which ought to be considered? Clearly none of the REST of us think it needs to be 'tested' for. Quoting: Menow 1003573It does IF you take the claim seriously enough to test it fully to "see if" the Zetas left any clues. It's the only thing you haven't tried, is all. I wouldn't bother but it is the logical conclusion of your efforts on the issue; and if you do, and all's well, it doesn't mean all's well and you've debunked THE FULL CLAIM, because the FULL claim includes the idea that if all SEEMS well it's only excellent foolery by Zetas. So I drew that out for you and you got all confoodled about why I would do so (I did so for mere exactitude on the state of your tests about the stoppage/tilt); plus confoodled about what I meant, and what I believe on the matter. Anyway ... At least I thought of it -- somebody had to, eventually. :) So -- and much more interesting with OR without PX (unless you like magical claims): what, other than a 2nd magnet such as PX, would give REPULSION to us when the Sun is attracting us, the last few years? And no, I'm not idiotic for asking, as you last said. It's a valid scientific question, as you know. |
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mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been unable to read clare's posts for the previous few dozen pages. Quoting: Catseye 1005747[...] Yeah, I know, this quiz was but so is the subject matter. Apply your statements to the idiotic drivel spewed at me to which I was replying and you'd have your head on right. By muddying all points and dragging them out into nonsense, these a-holes have made everything I said hard to gather together. Also, it was their attacks to which I was replying; so don't blame me for the inanity of basic content. But your nasty humour is -- for such things -- sort of clever in how to misrepresent something and make that misrepresentation nasty. It does not represent anything much of substance about the subject matter. By the way, I don't know why you brought up the Dark Twin idea. I don't bring that up. Only once that I recall did I comment on the Dark Twin. I brought up that odd photo which, when enhanced, did seem to show it. And because it was a guy's personal astro photo page and he seemed shocked, it may be genuine (but may not). Some on this thread just thought it ridiculous. On the DT, though, I keep an open mind because I really don't know much about it, but I find it a fascinating idea. Why not? Such a major item on our own orbit would probably scare a lot of people, so maybe if it's there it would be unmentioned. -- However ... you and I don't know either way for certain. So I figure it's not really worth discussing until we do have some clearer insight one way or another. Maybe the guy's photo will turn out to be a Dark Twin! That could be cool, not scary -- to me, anyway. |
Menow User ID: 1003573 United States 06/16/2010 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It does IF is all. Quoting: mclarek 1004307I wouldn't bother but if you do it doesn't mean all's well All is NOT well, Clare. LOOK! The Bat-signal is shining over Gotham City! There are people there who don'tunderstand things! Your work is finished here. Fly, fly away... |
George B Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 976283 United States 06/16/2010 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You may be interested in this Quoting: mclarek 1004307Re: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! Cool, George. I am interested. I am sick of these clunkers ... :) By the way, they started again; we had 4 hours without and now this again. I saw one of the big jet-like tankers (not huge, but pretty big) clearly in low altitude with the side tanks on its midriff, between the wings and the tail. Saw it from below; the tank areas were really obvious. Rain smear blear then windy/cloudy blue clearing out, but now building blear and cloud again. They are not going to give us a summer this time, I guess. Welcome again to the Thread Wars! Good Evening Clare . . . how are you? Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 908953 Canada 06/16/2010 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You may be interested in this Quoting: George BRe: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! Cool, George. I am interested. I am sick of these clunkers ... :) By the way, they started again; we had 4 hours without and now this again. I saw one of the big jet-like tankers (not huge, but pretty big) clearly in low altitude with the side tanks on its midriff, between the wings and the tail. Saw it from below; the tank areas were really obvious. Rain smear blear then windy/cloudy blue clearing out, but now building blear and cloud again. They are not going to give us a summer this time, I guess. Welcome again to the Thread Wars! Good Evening Clare . . . how are you? Please George, I like you, but please don't encourage her. Couldn't you two take it to another thread and let this one get back on topic? |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... this quote by mclarek: Quoting: Catseye 1005747"I wouldn't bother, though, but then again just because I don't believe putative Zetas are doing physical light-bending "magic" on us doesn't mean they may not in fact be -- for it's untestable." By the way, Catseye: My statement is absolutely honestly scientific and logical: Logic knows what it CAN and CAN't test. Anything untestable (at present) is TECHNICALLY SPEAKING unknowable (at present). A God hypothesis is the ultimate example. No-one has to BELIEVE in such untestable claims, but some: a) have become testable (as instruments get better, certain "wild" hypotheses do in fact show up as correct) b) will never become testable but people believe them anyway (God) So ... My statement about what the claim implies was absolutely rigourous and sane. I don't have to believe the claim to know what its testable and untestable factors are. ... As you and all here should know, if you THINK about it. Thus ... if you laugh at my statement (not the claim itself) YOU have a lack of true rigour about the nature of reason and what it can and cannot do at a given point in time. |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please George, I like you, but please don't encourage her. Couldn't you two take it to another thread and let this one get back on topic? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953I'm not "encouraged" -- it was merely a response to his statement, a one-off. I don't bring up chemtrails very often myself. Only when I woke up a few days ago to the whole thing in one long sitting, yes, I went into it, because it was something which had come up here at one point. I was shocked, I got it, I shared, and I dropped it. My point about George was merely: don't PICK ON ME FOR THE SUBJECT. It is one of many on this thread, and though a side issue, I am within my rights to reply. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 908953 Canada 06/16/2010 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My point about George was merely: don't PICK ON ME FOR THE SUBJECT. It is one of many on this thread, and though a side issue, I am within my rights to reply. Quoting: mclarek 1004307Fucking idiot twat! It's a topic on this thread only because you insist on talking about it on a thread about something entirely different. I pity the man that ends up with you. |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Welcome again to the Thread Wars! Good Evening Clare . . . how are you? Quoting: George BFINE! :) Hi, friend. I always look foward to your hello. They were really caustic today! AWFUL! At least Menow finally admitted he's a shit to me deliberately. :) Well, you know I know it's not all the time. But mostly -- i.e., so often. The weather's AWFUL here. It's really pissing me off. We have (naturally) an incredible day but then they start and this brings bleary wind and rain ... it's AWFUL. Starting again to rain. PISSING ME OFF. I hope your debate goes well. When is it? What's new with you, Tricey? {>:-) |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MENOW: Quoting: Menow 1003573Remember when I thought beifly you had joined in the others claiming I was a sexual jerk? Remember when you didn't respond to the corrections of that mistake? (snip unendurable blather) I did respond. Find it. Blatherer! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 908953 Canada 06/16/2010 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BTW, zetasquawk is back and what a hoot! Quoting: DrPostmanI don't think the Ningcompoops have noticed that yet. I can't wait to see Nancy try to twist her previous statements about the demise of zetasquawk to cover yet another gaffe. The good thing about the new format is that she can just pretend she never said what she did and ignore or ban anyone that brings it up. They didn't even get the joke, and I agree with our friend at zetasquawk, the reaction of the ningcompoops regarding the site's untimely demise due to lack of government funding far exceeded everyone's expectations. Great stuff! Keep it coming, friend! |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The constellations are in the correct places (minus parallax) with a tilt change; Quoting: Menow 1003573And you STTTTIIIIIILLLLLLLLL apply parallax to Earth-tilt, when it does not. No, jerk attitude. I suggest here only that WITH (i.e., in addition) a tilt change, a STOPPAGE would stop the parallax ... The two things are mutually exclusive. One does NOT depend upon or affect the other. Why would you glom them together like that? Okay, I knew you were mean, had blind spots and so on but I never thought you didn't see this. The real motions of a hypotheticaly stopped earth, which is ALSO tilted by putative Zetas is a MIXED PHENOMENON. Both stoppage and tilting are going on in the claim at THE SAME TIME. ... Plus deception by putative Zetas, to fool you. So -- you would test for each: stoppage AND tilt problems. And cross your fingers (or mentally dismiss it with an a priori belief) that the putative Zetas weren't out there fooling you anyway. :) as I've stated again and again Quoting: Menowthe parallax would be ALL that's left for you to test for a stoppage (cum tilt, since supposedly both are going together in Nancy's claim). Just silly. Your 'logic' is unintelligible to everyone but you. I wonder if that means everyone is 'off' but you, or the other way around... No I don't. What's left, dear (sarcasm) for you to test? What have you not tested from tiltage and stoppage? Only parallax, from stoppage. CLEAR? Duhhhh -- no, Menow doesn't get it. GEEETTTT ITTTT ... you admittedly emotionally baiting sadist? Or will you stop your baiting and we can resume a reasonable discussion if you don't get something or I don't? |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My point about George was merely: don't PICK ON ME FOR THE SUBJECT. It is one of many on this thread, and though a side issue, I am within my rights to reply. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953Fucking idiot twat! It's a topic on this thread only because you insist on talking about it on a thread about something entirely different. I pity the man that ends up with you. No it isn't, idiot dick! I didn't bring it up the first time, nor again now. I pity the woman who has to deal with you. You pick on one person for a complex interaction dynamic. Oh -- maybe complex is too much for you, you f-ing idiot dick! |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/16/2010 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BTW, zetasquawk is back and what a hoot! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953 to DrPostmanI don't think the Ningcompoops have noticed that yet. I can't wait to see Nancy try to twist her previous statements about the demise of zetasquawk to cover yet another gaffe. The good thing about the new format is that she can just pretend she never said what she did and ignore or ban anyone that brings it up. They didn't even get the joke, and I agree with our friend at zetasquawk, the reaction of the ningcompoops regarding the site's untimely demise due to lack of government funding far exceeded everyone's expectations. Great stuff! Keep it coming, friend! I'll be she'll say it got its funding back; or it turned out not to be gov't funded after all; or she'll ignore it. What other options would she have, really? |
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George B Extinct But Not Forgotten! User ID: 976283 United States 06/16/2010 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You may be interested in this Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953Re: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! Cool, George. I am interested. I am sick of these clunkers ... :) By the way, they started again; we had 4 hours without and now this again. I saw one of the big jet-like tankers (not huge, but pretty big) clearly in low altitude with the side tanks on its midriff, between the wings and the tail. Saw it from below; the tank areas were really obvious. Rain smear blear then windy/cloudy blue clearing out, but now building blear and cloud again. They are not going to give us a summer this time, I guess. Welcome again to the Thread Wars! Good Evening Clare . . . how are you? Please George, I like you, but please don't encourage her. Couldn't you two take it to another thread and let this one get back on topic? I posted the Chemtrail info for "MeNow" he is the one I originally had a brief discussion with . . . I was just trying to give him a heads-up on how it was going. The hello to Clare is something I do most days . . . just to say I see you are still in heated debate as usual. ChemTrail Thread: Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! Last Edited by George B on 06/16/2010 11:47 PM Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter! "Email: [email protected]" All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them. Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642) The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B |
Setheory User ID: 1003594 United States 06/16/2010 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You may be interested in this Quoting: mclarek 1004307Re: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! Cool, George. I am interested. I am sick of these clunkers ... :) By the way, they started again; we had 4 hours without and now this again. I saw one of the big jet-like tankers (not huge, but pretty big) clearly in low altitude with the side tanks on its midriff, ......................... Here we go....... |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 922113 United States 06/16/2010 11:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astronut is hearing half of Nancy's claims -- as Menow's points clarified: Quoting: mclarek 1004307Nancy does mention light bending; In relation to the appearance of planet X, not in relation to the positions of the stars. That's YOUR claim, you get to prove it yourself. |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/17/2010 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I posted the Chemtrail info for "MeNow" he is the one I originally had a brief discussion with . . . I was just trying to give him a heads-up on how it was going. The hello to Clare is something I do most days . . . just to say I see you are still in heated debate as usual. Quoting: George BChemTrail Thread: Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW! I know -- and neither you nor anyone else who replied to your posts at any pont (including me) did anything wrong. |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/17/2010 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astronut is hearing half of Nancy's claims -- as Menow's points clarified: Quoting: AstronutNancy does mention light bending; In relation to the appearance of planet X, not in relation to the positions of the stars. That's YOUR claim, you get to prove it yourself. Crikey. It's their claim and I was merely pointing out two holes in your position: a) that all was tested b) that if all checks out you have debunked their claim (you can't since it includes an untestable hypothesis) Besides, it's not my interest. I'm interested in the HOLES IN THE MAGNETOSPHERE -- gaps from repulsion when the Sun attracts. |
mclarek User ID: 1004307 Canada 06/17/2010 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is my official appology for ever inviting Clare to this thread. I had no idea what I was starting. Quoting: Menow 1003573Bat-signal, Clare... LOOK! You are needed elsewhere... You ARE a bat: a vampire bat. You admitted so. Now that you lost the points -- and SEE it -- you wanna "bat" (back) out. Tough tooties. So ... DEAL with it, as you so often imply I haven't (when I have) and when the fact I have comes clear (as now) you wanna quit? HA HA HA So, Menow, WHAT, other than a PX-like magnet, could do that to our magnetosphere? NATURALLY, REALLY, AND SCIENTIFICALLY speaking. No fairies or Zetas, please. :) THAT is important. That, no-ne here has wrestled with. If PX is in a dust cloud, would you see it? Maybe. So maybe it's showing in the magnetospheric phenomena. |