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Don't take the bait friends. Clunk will revert to trying to talk about PX and then once you bite she will steer the thread back to chemtard and 911 bullshit. She is an attention whoring troll. Don't feed her. If we ignore her she will either leave or get caught by the spam bot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

No, Clunk.

I have raised this before and it is of prime import.

YOU HAVE NOT DEBUNKED PX if this is a smoking gun of it; and this fact is real.

It might be a fact which could NOT go either way. It might be clincher evidence for PX.

We have lots of evidence for PX which also could be evidence against: inconclusive evidence either way: maybe, maybe not.

Thus, if this issue is shown to be ONLY from a PX, all the other MAYBES become LIKELY PX effects and the case is FOR PX.

You have to see that if you're smart.


So: WHY the wrong breach in the magnetosphere?
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People ...
DO YOU WANT TO DEBUNK PX OR NOT?

If you do, then the nature of the evidence is key: some things could count for either hypothesis.

This item might not: unlike earthquakes and such, which might be or might not be from X -- this item might be due in nature ONLY to a 2nd magnet.

In other words, a PX.


NASA's wording was that strong: "It's like saying the Sun rises in the West."

[link to science.nasa.gov]
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Someone let a donkey in the room? Do you hear that braying? Or maybe it's just a troll.
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I have agreed to ignore clunk from now on as well

Menow- PLEASE do the same
, she responds to every post of yours with another 5 pages of verbal diarrhea

GeorgeB we all aready know about your thread, please dont encourage clunk to post about it here, or we might be inclined to chat about nancy in yours instead


NO CLUNK EVER



I have to agree, I have been as guilty as anyone in replying to clunk and it won't happen again, Menow, you do what you think best, but in my opinion you would be wise to boycott her as well. She isn't going to learn a damned thing (after all, she knows EVERYTHING. Don't believe her? Just ask her...)

clunker, you are now ranting to an empty room.


Clare is over. Nothing comes of posting to her other than sucking up bandwidth.

Finito.
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Excellent choice!!!
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Actually Nancy implied that the Dork Twin was going to bang
into us:
"The Earth’s dark twin, approaching from behind her, has scant months to reach her and create a crisis. Earth stopping on Dec 25 allows for a full half orbit by this twin by June 25, 2004, but the crisis will occur sooner and for many reason. This twin cannot go to the left, where Venus lies, nor the right, where Mars rides, and cannot move forward. The effect of such a traffice jam is not within man’s knowledgebank."
That's from 2004!
 Quoting: DrPostman


First, Nancy could very well have been describing the types of things to occur, but have been given a false timeline, if her visions are for real at all.

Second, she does not say it will bang into us in that quotation of yours; she says it will come close (and this would, one can assume, create not only gravity attraction but magnetic repulsion of two charged bodies -- a traffic jam and crisis).

Newton wasn't complete: his mass equations could hide electromagnetic attraction or repulsion in a stable system; Einstein knew that and woke up to the posibility of electromagnetic charge on us at the end of his life.
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Excellent choice!!!
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Commonclunker, you are one of the stoopidest here, so I'm not surprised. Plus, your ego fear is so great that you can't even admit (with all your braying previously) that you were shown to be wrong AND idiotic to think objects in foregrounds don't move.

It's one thing to be wrong; it's another to bray in superiority about it and then claim no-one made the point you should have seen and then not even admit it when it was pointed out -- instead you claimed it was never said! LOL!

I pointed it out and YOU NEVER ADMITTED IT EVEN THEN! -- And now you act like I am dumb.

iamwith

You don't need math, even, to know what that was about. SO all your posture is -- POOF!

You just want to deflect off your faux pas, dear.
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Someone let a donkey in the room? Do you hear that braying? Or maybe it's just a troll.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

Are you a donkey or a troll?

Because you sure don't know what a key scientific question about Planet X would be ---

and how to tell between key evidence and inconclusive but suggestive evidence.

Most items on PX are suggestive of it EQUALLY compared to the opposite hypothesis. Hence, inconclusive.

This might be a key piece: then all that other stuff currently inconclusive and dismissed as not having to be PX becomes a massive amount of evidence FOR PX.

See that, 908953?
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Another solstice is coming. Another opportunity to prove conclusively that the earth is not stalled in orbit, that it is not wobbling wildly and that the position of the solstice and the sun are where they should be. Tens of thousands of people will congregate at ancient sites like Stonehenge and Xochicalco to observe the phenomena that has marked the vernal solstice for thousands of years. Lots of 2012ers show up at those events, and I predict that as usual, the sun and shadows will do what they always do, at the precise time they are supposed to, there will not be a rash of disappointed tourists and freaked out woo woos and chicken little types posting on the internet that the awaited event didn't happen. Everything will happen as it has for thousands of years. It will be more proof that Nancy is full of shit.
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Obviously, the Zetas tilt Stonehenge to preserve the illusion that the solstice takes place on schedule!

Damn those crafty Zetas! Is there no end to their benign yet wholly implausible interference with celestial events?
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Obviously, the Zetas tilt Stonehenge to preserve the illusion that the solstice takes place on schedule!

Damn those crafty Zetas! Is there no end to their benign yet wholly implausible interference with celestial events?
 Quoting: Returner 997


When I start MY Planet X cult I'm going to use M-theory jargon to explain how we can't see it because it's in a parallel universe, etc.

I think I should be able to wiggle out of a couple of no-shows with that one.

Might be good for some facetime on the Hysteria Channel.
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Wandering planets are so 1955.

MY cult will be based on the INEVITABLE collapse of the 'brane' containing this entire universe!

The signs are everywhere, from the collapse of the dollar to that twitch in your eye. I'll drone on and on about the holographic nature of the cosmos and intone the phrase 'As above, so below' and by the time I'm done pasting a few articles about burst water mains I'll have my adoring followers burrowing into hillsides all over the land.

Yes, it is the END OF ALL THINGS, the OMEGA TIME, the LAST OF THE LAST!

You have one chance, and one chance only, to be spared disintegration, and find a new life in the World to be Born!

VIAS and MasterCard accepted.
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Obviously, the Zetas tilt Stonehenge to preserve the illusion that the solstice takes place on schedule!

Damn those crafty Zetas! Is there no end to their benign yet wholly implausible interference with celestial events?


When I start MY Planet X cult I'm going to use M-theory jargon to explain how we can't see it because it's in a parallel universe, etc.

I think I should be able to wiggle out of a couple of no-shows with that one.

Might be good for some facetime on the Hysteria Channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

That's a good one. Another tried and true wiggle strategy is to have a built in pray it away clause. Lightworkers and religious nuts use this one to cover for failed predictions all the time, and it also makes the flock feel good thinking they had a hand in averting bad things through their devotion.
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Someone let a donkey in the room? Do you hear that braying? Or maybe it's just a troll.

Are you a donkey or a troll?

Because you sure don't know what a key scientific question about Planet X would be ---

and how to tell between key evidence and inconclusive but suggestive evidence.

Most items on PX are suggestive of it EQUALLY compared to the opposite hypothesis. Hence, inconclusive.

This might be a key piece: then all that other stuff currently inconclusive and dismissed as not having to be PX becomes a massive amount of evidence FOR PX.

See that, 908953?
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Clare, you are most welcome to post on my Thread . . . Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!

Have dinner guests tonight and I will be late . . .

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Another solstice is coming. Another opportunity to prove conclusively that the earth is not stalled in orbit, that it is not wobbling wildly and that the position of the solstice and the sun are where they should be. Tens of thousands of people will congregate at ancient sites like Stonehenge and Xochicalco to observe the phenomena that has marked the vernal solstice for thousands of years. Lots of 2012ers show up at those events, and I predict that as usual, the sun and shadows will do what they always do, at the precise time they are supposed to, there will not be a rash of disappointed tourists and freaked out woo woos and chicken little types posting on the internet that the awaited event didn't happen. Everything will happen as it has for thousands of years. It will be more proof that Nancy is full of shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 908953

Me thinks Nancy would never commit to announcing any unusual findings at the solstice . . . that would be way too easy to blow up in her face!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Another solstice is coming. Another opportunity to prove conclusively that the earth is not stalled in orbit, that it is not wobbling wildly and that the position of the solstice and the sun are where they should be. Tens of thousands of people will congregate at ancient sites like Stonehenge and Xochicalco to observe the phenomena that has marked the vernal solstice for thousands of years. Lots of 2012ers show up at those events, and I predict that as usual, the sun and shadows will do what they always do, at the precise time they are supposed to, there will not be a rash of disappointed tourists and freaked out woo woos and chicken little types posting on the internet that the awaited event didn't happen. Everything will happen as it has for thousands of years. It will be more proof that Nancy is full of shit.

Me thinks Nancy would never commit to announcing any unusual findings at the solstice . . . that would be way too easy to blow up in her face!
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Nancy's claims have blown up in her face for 15 years. She just ignores it and soldiers on and her followers just don't care.
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Another solstice is coming. Another opportunity to prove conclusively that the earth is not stalled in orbit, that it is not wobbling wildly and that the position of the solstice and the sun are where they should be. Tens of thousands of people will congregate at ancient sites like Stonehenge and Xochicalco to observe the phenomena that has marked the vernal solstice for thousands of years. Lots of 2012ers show up at those events, and I predict that as usual, the sun and shadows will do what they always do, at the precise time they are supposed to, there will not be a rash of disappointed tourists and freaked out woo woos and chicken little types posting on the internet that the awaited event didn't happen. Everything will happen as it has for thousands of years. It will be more proof that Nancy is full of shit.

Me thinks Nancy would never commit to announcing any unusual findings at the solstice . . . that would be way too easy to blow up in her face!


Nancy's claims have blown up in her face for 15 years. She just ignores it and soldiers on and her followers just don't care.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573

You do have a point . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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it's close
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Which is where it was seven years ago.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Close to what?
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Close to never happening.
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Ever notice how Andrew leaves every keyboard he touches sticky?

That's just disgusting.
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Another solstice is coming. Another opportunity to prove conclusively that the earth is not stalled in orbit, that it is not wobbling wildly and that the position of the solstice and the sun are where they should be. Tens of thousands of people will congregate at ancient sites like Stonehenge and Xochicalco to observe the phenomena that has marked the vernal solstice for thousands of years. Lots of 2012ers show up at those events, and I predict that as usual, the sun and shadows will do what they always do, at the precise time they are supposed to, there will not be a rash of disappointed tourists and freaked out woo woos and chicken little types posting on the internet that the awaited event didn't happen. Everything will happen as it has for thousands of years. It will be more proof that Nancy is full of shit.

Me thinks Nancy would never commit to announcing any unusual findings at the solstice . . . that would be way too easy to blow up in her face!
 Quoting: George B

The point is, George, that these events happen in diverse places all over the world during equinox and solstices. Lots of ascension freaks, new agers and 2012er go to them every year, and none of them have ever posted irregularities in the observance of the phenomenon that occurs, just tons of videos and testimonials of the event occurring as expected. This is proof against the stalled earth claims, and it is delivered by just the sort of person that would spam the internet with doomsday predictions if the solstice and equinox events failed to occur. I hope that makes sense. Been celebrating the win by the Tricolor over France. Viva Mexico! LOL
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It really is amazing how Clare comes up with an excuse for
everything. Nancy couldn't want a better apologist.
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I am merely thinking outside your box. In other words, there are other perfectly valid explanations for the statements than you have given, since we really don't know if she's having legitimate visions (if such things are possible).

So ...

We know a lot of people may have had real visions (real precognition and so on). Many physicists have wrestled with why, even if some didn't want to take the material seriously originally: for some types of experiments on ESP were conclusive both mathematically and in gist.

Read Koestler's "The Roots of Coincidence" for a good summary of the REAL state of the physicist work on ESP -- rather than the dumbed down dismissal from those less familiar with the situation, or merely blindly prejudiced.

I don't tend to want to think it's real either, but I agree with Pauli and so on that there is some good evidence for it.

As to Nancy's position then, IF it is visions, then some of them could be -- as she's SAID -- lying to her or she's misinterpreting them.

This is a perfectly fine alternative and it bears pointing out for scientific-minded HONESTY'S sake.
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Me thinks Nancy would never commit to announcing any unusual findings at the solstice . . . that would be way too easy to blow up in her face!
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I agree.

I think her -- possible -- visions have convinced her the whole shebang is true, and she assumes there's proof out there for it, even the stopped Earth.

Of course, a) Zetas could be lying to put a huge element of doubt onto Nancy, to separate the souls (as they've said in various ways about other things), b) they could be telling of events that actually haven't happened yet but yes, also confusing Nancy (see a)), c) all of it not be real.

So I don't see it as NECESSARILY quite the "stupid" thing you do, that she's soldiering on about it. I think it might be, but might also be that she's been duped a bit by her visions -- legitimately "otherworldly" visions or not, they have a grip on her.
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Clare, you are most welcome to post on my Thread . . . Thread: Chemtrail Poll . . . do you think chemtrails are real? See the Results NOW!

Have dinner guests tonight and I will be late . . .
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Thanks and how nice. I will! {>:-)
Have fun!

I will continue to post here about the magnetospheric anomaly however, since it is, it seems, a direct and key evidence for Planet X and I want it debunked.
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Does anyone have any other explanation than a PX cloaked or just out of view, for the magnetosphere repulsion on Earth when the Sun is attracting?

(and ... repeat, as Menow likes to ...)

Does anyone have any other explanation than a PX cloaked or just out of view, for the magnetosphere repulsion on Earth when the Sun is attracting?

See, that just isn't how science works.

You have quite deliberately hidden preformed conclusions in your post.

First port of call is definitions.

What exactly is "magnetosphere repulsion"?

What exactly is "magnetosphere repulsion on Earth"? What are its effects and/or consequences?

What is meant by "the Sun is attracting"? Attracting who, or what? By what mechanism? Can you mathematically describe this in any way? Can you provide any evidence for this?

"Does anyone have any other explanation than a PX"
There is no evidence for PX. None. In all your verbose posts over the last 100 pages or so, you have presented none. Why is that, do you think?
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Part 1:
Actually, a) much was about other things since we'd all gotten off topic somewhat, and I was replying to that. It started with maligning me and various conspiracy theories and I defended myself and some of those theories.

b) the stellar parallax issue was never to prove PX but rather to discuss the possibilities if one were fully to investigate the probably spurious clam of stoppage/tilt.

c) I did present a bunch of evidence for PX in a post some pages ago, but it's DUAL-evidence, meaning, inconclusive either for PX OR for co-incidence theory. Things like the special library unusual actions, the earthquakes, weather (electromagnetic changes, mostly, cause weather changes), meteories on the increase, bollides being top secret for the USA's leading science technology), and so on.

There's a GREAT case for PX.

The issue is, it's ALSO a great case for co-incidence!

See that?


Part 2:
So, we need a key test, or key evidence. Since we really don't know what might be covered up or what NASA can see that we can't ...

We can go with this magnetosphere problem.

It was definitely an admission, and was definitely odd. So what was it?

NASA said the magnetosphere was repelled. In one of the articles they effectively described how magnets normally repel only when they're supposed to -- to be simple here about this.

The Sun goes through a change in polarity = every cycle of Sun spots. Now it seems we must have charge, as Einstein began to realize the moment he knew of any electromagnetism in the solar system (it was not known at all in 1950 until a week before his death!)

So ... since we have a metal core and are in the electromagnetic system and have a magnetosphere (a product of electromagnetic charge, resistance by astrophysicists to the concept, be damned for the moment -- as such resistance has happened before and been wrong) ...

Our magnetosphere (we, actually, with our charge, probably) would be attracted at varying cycles and parts of the year. This is what NASA says they expect: lots of particle flow from the Sun. We had it.

What they DIDN'T expect, though, and said so, was GAP(s) AT THOSE TIMES OF YEAR.

Why? Normal magnet lines of flow show shared particles when magnets attract, and a palm-leaf-like separation of lines of flow (each magnet's lines touching however). This means a BREACH in the centre, a gap. But NO PARTICLES.

To have BOTH would be ridiculous.

But this is what we had!


Read the scientists' shock at this in the article.
[link to science.nasa.gov]


We had a BREACH in the North, not the South. It was when we were anti-aligned. It was when we were not supposed to.

I linked to one article but there was another (from Fox, about communications satellites) which isn't pulling up now. But a copy of it is kept here: [link to forum.concen.org] It describes magnetism for you again. And in more detail than I did.

Anyway, the breach is repulsion. It is for the South pole, so it is for the North and shouldn't be there. Also, it was 4x the size f Earth, which is what some people say PX is (thought I don't know if that's related; if it is, then it deserves to be mentioned).



AND -- as I said about some aspects of parallax ... you can THINK most of this through and know it simply from knowing some results of magnetic and electric experiments through the last 2 hundred years. :)

So, no definitional problems here.

Either these scientists are going to "up-end" electromagnetics on a wild goose chase (and it sounds like they're beginning to), or they will postulate we have charge and we were repulsed by 1 magnet and attracted by 1 magnet. 2 magnets. Simple. But that would prove PX.

So ... this could be a smoking gun for PX.
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And The proximity of constellations to the ecliptic is controlled by Earth's tilt...


Gee... who would say such a silly thing and also claim scientific rigor beyond other's best efforts?

I know who...
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Colour funny.

Sorry.
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And The proximity of constellations to the ecliptic is controlled by Earth's tilt...


Gee... who would say such a silly thing and also claim scientific rigor beyond other's best efforts?

I know who...
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No you don't. I debunked you on that issue of "inadequacy" in me. Again.

YOU just didn't acknowledge my final full statements.

..................

It isn't CONTROLLED by it; it is controlled by the timing and the tilt: on one side of the Sun or the other, we swing around so that new constellations rise in the East.

If stopped, we would be able to get the constellations but the positions would be wonky relative to our East, and the Sun wouldn't be close to rising in the right ones.
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Idiotic joke? Has to be.



Finito.
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Final hint:

Google "ecliptic"
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And The proximity of constellations to the ecliptic is controlled by Earth's tilt...


Gee... who would say such a silly thing and also claim scientific rigor beyond other's best efforts?

I know who...
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Plus, I was claiming careful SCIENTIFIC-MINDEDNESS.

And not intending to lord it over some of you, but when certain people lost trees for forests and forests for trees at given points in an argument, I pointed it out.

Which is about UNDERSTANDING HYPOTHESES. And that is the LEAST understood by most "scientist" types! Ha ha.

Scientific hypotheses are not mere notions, but they start that way. They are not mere pre-set conclusions but they are temporary conclusions, to work back from. And they require rigour not only of emotions -- when faced with an hypothesis (or evidence for it) which one finds ridiculous or distasteful -- but of method, which means as much rigour in not only physical exactitude, NO, but also mental clarity on PLACEMENTS the same things have within this or that hypothesis, for COMPARISON of the hypotheses with each other.

Most scientist-types think up an hypothesis and set out to rigourously test FOR it. But they often do not really train, most of them, fully, in what they must consider philosophically speaking: the totality of their hypothesis, and ALL ramifications that appear, for it AND competing hypotheses.


I was not claiming superior knowledge of all mechanics.

Of course.

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