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Final hint:

Google "ecliptic"
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Hint: take a pill.

The ecliptic goes from the Tropic o' Cap to that o' Can BECAUSE we are tilted and are on one side of the Sun or the other.

Idiot.

At each point the Sun rises a bit higher or lower, AND in a new constellation. This is due to TILT and POSITION in space relative to the orbit around the Sun.

Think this through.
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When a nut falls from a tree in the forest and nobody's listening... does it make a sound?
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When a nut falls from a tree in the forest and nobody's listening... does it make a sound?
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It just makes a clunking sound.
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Page 666!

The Number of the Beast's second cousin Larry.
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Here's the blueprint:

1) Make a lot of outlandish claims about subjects one is only superficially acquainted with.

2) Continually change stated positions when confronted by knowledgeable skeptics.

3) Declare victory after everyone is finally fed up.
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Here's the blueprint:

1) Make a lot of outlandish claims about subjects one is only superficially acquainted with.

2) Continually change stated positions when confronted by knowledgeable skeptics.

3) Declare victory after everyone is finally fed up.
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Pretty accurate. She ignores the specific point she is challeged on, states something different in vague, disjointed terms, declares you an idiot for not knowing something obvious which was never contested in the first place, and/or declares victory based on having stated something incomprehensible and/or still stupidly wrong.

It's really quite impressive in its steadfast vapidness... or its vapid steadfastness...
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Page 666!

The Number of the Beast's second cousin Larry.
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Hilarious! Did you make that up? I think I heard that somewhere ...
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Here's the blueprint:

1) Make a lot of outlandish claims about subjects one is only superficially acquainted with.

2) Continually change stated positions when confronted by knowledgeable skeptics.

3) Declare victory after everyone is finally fed up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583


1) Think outside the assumptions and think through all hypothetical ramifcations one can.

2) State the positions as fully as one can to start with -- reply, refine, and repeat (ad nauseam for peple who don't understand stated position properly or deflect onto inadequate evidence).

3) Declare victory because others produce hot air on a topic which was clearly understood by both parties to start -- or by only me in some cases. Hot air leads to your exhaustion. Some items are what they are.

Plus 4) Prove oneself knowledgeable on the key points again and again and get no credit; so, 5) have others repeat assumptions of false inadequacy and draw out stupid lengthiness for nothing. Which means they've learned nothing about me or the interesting topics.
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Here's the blueprint:

1) Make a lot of outlandish claims about subjects one is only superficially acquainted with.

2) Continually change stated positions when confronted by knowledgeable skeptics.

3) Declare victory after everyone is finally fed up.


Pretty accurate. She ignores the specific point she is challeged on, states something different in vague, disjointed terms, declares you an idiot for not knowing something obvious which was never contested in the first place, and/or declares victory based on having stated something incomprehensible and/or still stupidly wrong.

It's really quite impressive in its steadfast vapidness... or its vapid steadfastness...
 Quoting: Menow 1003573


Can't handle that I KNOW what the ecliptic is better than you did!

HA HA HA HA HA

Massive fail for you, Menow. To use your kind of language and posture. :)

You challenged me on EXACTLY the points I replied to of tilt, ecliptic, Tropics, and Sun position in constellations.

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When a nut falls from a tree in the forest and nobody's listening... does it make a sound?

It just makes a clunking sound.
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Did you fall?

Oh so sorry.
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And The proximity of constellations to the ecliptic is controlled by Earth's tilt...


Gee... who would say such a silly thing and also claim scientific rigor beyond other's best efforts?

I know who...
 Quoting: Menow 1003573



HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Silly thing indeed ... for you not to know what the ecliptic IS.

It's not a band actually; it's a set of positions on which the Sun rises at each time of year because of tilt relative to Sun. And as we progress, its angle puts us into different morning positions with the constellations through the year.

It also is a band in totality; i.e., of which constellations we make a point to notice (12) AS the Sun makes its way through them, for each position it's in, relative to our tilt and time of year.
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Hey, Returner, how's ya doin'?

Are you on the mend?

:)

We're all rooting for you, I think.

hf
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Does anyone have any other explanation than a PX cloaked or just out of view, for the magnetosphere repulsion on Earth when the Sun is attracting?


What exactly is "magnetosphere repulsion"?

What is meant by "the Sun is attracting"? Attracting who, or what? By what mechanism? Can you mathematically describe this in any way? Can you provide any evidence for this?

"Does anyone have any other explanation than a PX"
There is no evidence for PX. None.




There's a GREAT case for PX.

The issue is, it's ALSO a great case for co-incidence!

See that?



So, we need a key test, or key evidence. Since we really don't know what might be covered up or what NASA can see that we can't ...

We can go with this magnetosphere problem.

It was definitely an admission, and was definitely odd. So what was it?

NASA said the magnetosphere was repelled. In one of the articles they effectively described how magnets normally repel only when they're supposed to -- to be simple here about this.

The Sun goes through a change in polarity = every cycle of Sun spots. Now it seems we must have charge, as Einstein began to realize the moment he knew of any electromagnetism in the solar system (it was not known at all in 1950 until a week before his death!)

Our magnetosphere (we, actually, with our charge, probably) would be attracted at varying cycles and parts of the year. This is what NASA says they expect: lots of particle flow from the Sun. We had it.

What they DIDN'T expect, though, and said so, was GAP(s) AT THOSE TIMES OF YEAR.

Why? Normal magnet lines of flow show shared particles when magnets attract, and a palm-leaf-like separation of lines of flow (each magnet's lines touching however). This means a BREACH in the centre, a gap. But NO PARTICLES.

To have BOTH would be ridiculous.

But this is what we had!


Read the scientists' shock at this in the article.
[link to science.nasa.gov]


We had a BREACH in the North, not the South. It was when we were anti-aligned. It was when we were not supposed to.

I linked to one article but there was another (from Fox, about communications satellites) which isn't pulling up now. But a copy of it is kept here: [link to forum.concen.org] It describes magnetism for you again. And in more detail than I did.

Anyway, the breach is repulsion. It is for the South pole, so it is for the North and shouldn't be there. Also, it was 4x the size f Earth, which is what some people say PX is (thought I don't know if that's related; if it is, then it deserves to be mentioned).
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307 to Anonymous Coward 1006388


Let me know when you or anyone else has any thoughts on what, other than a PX, could cause this.

Thanks! cool2


Either these scientists are going to "up-end" electromagnetics on a wild goose chase (and it sounds like they're beginning to), or they will postulate we have charge and we were repulsed by 1 magnet and attracted by 1 magnet. 2 magnets. Simple. But that would prove PX.

So ... this could be a smoking gun for PX.

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Hopeless. Truly.

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.

Clares alter and restate things until they can declare themelves 'right', at all costs.



Repeat:

Scientific discussion is pointless with someone who would say this:

The reason the constelations appear above or below the ecliptic is only due to the tilt.
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It's over, Clare.
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Hopeless. Truly.

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down.

Clares alter and restate things until they can declare themelves 'right', at all costs.



Repeat:

Scientific discussion is pointless with someone who would say this:

The reason the constelations appear above or below the ecliptic is only due to the tilt.
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It's over, Clare.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573


Now everyone can see how you drag out nonsense page after page.

So ...
Menow: You want me to mention that the ecliptic is the central point in the 12 major constellations. Okay. Done.

But the point about the tilt was the important thing in our conversations, asshole.

In that sense, it's viewpoint: The 12 major constellations fit ONTO the ecliptic in our view. But you knew what I meant, I assume.

So, though others will say *I*'m dragging this out and *I*'m not ---

The Sun goes THROUGH the ecliptic of constellations each morning. It MAKES over the Year a morning "ecliptic band" of points!


And this is due to the TILT and TIME OF YEAR.

Idiot.

Every day, it passes higher and lower in the Tropic bandwidth, and the pont of each start for the Sun is what we consider important over the year: the ECLIPTIC.

The total passes are "the ecliptic". It is the centre point through the constellations FOR OUR SUN over the year.

You are an asshole to be so picayune. You knew what I meant and the gist was right.

So, the more important issue is: TILT AFFECTS WHAT CONSTELLATIONS WE WILL SEE. We only see a few in the band of total sun-passes at a time. The ecliptic is where the central constellations are, but it is DUE TO OUR TILT THAT WE CARE ABOUT THAT line through stars.

I seem to understand WHAT it is better than you, who think it's just "a band of stars".

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Getting hungry?
You are posting nonsense, so I guess you're a troll?
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Obviously, the Zetas tilt Stonehenge to preserve the illusion that the solstice takes place on schedule!

Damn those crafty Zetas! Is there no end to their benign yet wholly implausible interference with celestial events?
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My thinking is that the zetas arent moving the sun,moon, stars etc around- or tilting the earth back and forth either

What they are REALLY doing is digging around every place like Stonehedge, every major (and minor) telescope- and they are dragging THOSE around on the earth's surface until the various ocultations, etc look correct

My proof for this is that it used to take me 11 hrs to drive to a rather well known radio telescope (where they occassionally hold visible light scope parties at as well)

Where it now takes only just over 7 hours to drive there!!!

QED they must have dragged Parkes closer to the mid north coast...

(the fact that they have opened a lovely 2 to 4 lane each way divided freeway bypassing Sydney instead of the old 1 lane each way highway that dumped you in the middle of peak hour congestion in the CBD has absolutely NOTHING to do with it)
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My thinking is that the zetas arent moving the sun,moon, stars etc around- or tilting the earth back and forth either

What they are REALLY doing is digging around every place like Stonehedge, every major (and minor) telescope- and they are dragging THOSE around on the earth's surface until the various ocultations, etc look correct

My proof for this is that it used to take me 11 hrs to drive to a rather well known radio telescope (where they occassionally hold visible light scope parties at as well)

Where it now takes only just over 7 hours to drive there!!!

QED they must have dragged Parkes closer to the mid north coast...

(the fact that they have opened a lovely 2 to 4 lane each way divided freeway bypassing Sydney instead of the old 1 lane each way highway that dumped you in the middle of peak hour congestion in the CBD has absolutely NOTHING to do with it)
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That's very funny. Good one.
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Oh you really don't want to go there, do you?

You want people to say I'm "spamming"?

Oh well. If you are really curious, from someone who has actually listened to many of the people working on the issue, including these ones, I will inform you.

I hope you're listening; I do this for you as a gift if you want to see through to the truth these and other people bring -- flawed humans as they are sometimes.

First, note that the video you linked to gives nothing much of the WORK of these people. It is mostly catching them on other issues or in bad moments. I have seen the source videos for it. But I have also heard them speak in better conditions and at length, and worked through their Websites (bad and good elements on those).

Thus, this video is merely an ad hominem: it deflects from their WORK. Which should be the only thing you care about.


Okay, each in turn:

1. Judy Wood is a respected physicist but she is also extremely volatile. Her work is overall very strong but there are some points she does not explain well (or without invective, such as many of the people on this thread -- lol).

Her Website is better, and her work at the conference (I forget which year) made some speculative suggestions, but at least she was ARGUING FROM TOTAL EVIDENCE, instead of partial evidence.

Her Website has photos of the NYC 50+ clean holes in different buildings, from the top, some of them clean through 6 floors, with no or minimal debris at the bottom -- not wedged debris gashes, but round big holes;

she also has the photos of the partly melted cars: their metal is melted but the paint and tires are not singed at all. To explain that, you would have to postulate massive heat but then, why is the paint not burned and the tires not burst or melted?

she also shows how there

she also points out that though the dust is called "pysroclastic" and some physicists try to ascribe everything to "explosives", were no reports of true pyroclastic cloud heat (burned lungs, etc.), just mild warm air, yet all these effects. the main demolition turned everything to dust INSTEAD: like cutting trees but also turning much of them to sawdust on the way down, faster than they'd fall.

she also points out there was not enough debris to account for the 12% of height a pancake or demolition collapse would have. Her theory is that they couldn't run the risk of destroying hte "bathtub" (the cement basin created to stabilize the buildings in the area, which would/could have cracked and left the Hudson to flow into the whole region).

and there were cars flipped upside down on fences and so on 1/4 mile away. This might be an energy weapon cyclonic or Biefield-Brown effect (electromagnetics?). We don't know the details of what "they" have. But we know the gist.

and there's the fact that the cars melted but no fire in te pieces of paper around them, except seemingly spontaneous random fires, like they're "cold fire". She tends to wonder if there is something to Hutchison's work -- but Hutchison is not the best promoter of his own work (though he's experimented for years). So it's hard to get many clear facts out of him: he's lazy about being rigourous in speaking about it -- he's very defensive, like Wood). Hutchison videos are themselves fakes, which someone put out against him; in fact, another no planer (Ace Baker) exposed them. But Hutchison may have found some effects in fact: his lab was shut down 3 times (2?) by military and intelligence from the USA. He also worked with Russians on some of the concepts. He's an eccentric guy, but serious in his way.


Whatever about Hutchison, there are a lot of things unexplained by anything other than energy weaponry and possibly latest generation of mini-nuke combination (non-radioactive?) in Wood's collection of photos and remarks, whatever the explanation one finally comes to.

The idea is they used explosions and so on, but that was for one layer of deception and to make it easier to get some of the fall going, so people didn't notice the dustification itself.

There's more.
But anyway,

Account for this stuff without "Star Wars" energy beam weaponry and you get a candle. :) We know that energy weaponry has been worked on since at least the 40s.

2. Rosalee Grable is a nervous woman. She was battling many people to start with, and has made many enemies and friends. She was one of the first on the scene about video fakery, so she made some mistakes and still some of her ideas remain valid. Her work is mostly on the Naudet film.

In addition, she has made many mistakes along the way about other videos (not understanding the relevance of parallax issues in the OTHER videos). Ace Baker is the same: he thinks the planes are so obviously CGI, why use parallax to show video fakery?

Of course, parallax issues say nothing directly about the planes, but it is the direct optic proof of compositry, thus the CONTEXT for the CGI planes.

Grable also believes in energy field (unified energy, like Einstein) but talks of it in the old way, calling it aether.

Now, it will be noted -- if you wish to be scientific here -- that ether was a concept which was both field and corpuscule (like atoms, pushed) in the original 19th century tests, and they failed to find evidence of the "mass" of it, the stuff being pushed.

However, Einstein re-envisioned it as waves or total field (whatever that really is!) and then it IS describable. In fact then, ether is the energy field concept, the "background stuff" but not as a "stuff" so much anymore. It's been renamed, is all and re-conceived as "not massive" -- the 19th century thinkers tested for it, ASSUMING it was Newtonian "stuff".

3. Nikko Haupt is notoriously emotional, and unstable in that regard. He is highly neurotic, shall we say, and irascible -- like some of you guys! ha ha -- but he forges ahead to do original research on the defense contractors, their energy weapons links.

He has gotten himself into a lot of scraps, and some in the no planer groups think he's an agent to discredit the movement. However, having listened to his thoughts AND rambles -- which is hard to do, as he has a thick accent AND mumbles a bit -- it becomes clear that if you give him the space to talk, he ranges over many ideas and has done good research.

His main theory is not the no planes, but the TV fakery, and he also has an idea that each modern war was set up to BRING IN technology, deliberately, which was already somewhat known.

He thinks there are a lot of bad plotters in history (and on that he is right) but he may be wrong about some of the foreknowledge: in other words, tech. follows war, not only leads it.

His thought is that the energy weapons on 9/11 were used partly to show off (to those in the know).

.........................

The point here is, my friend from Finland, these people are at least arguing about the TOTALITY of evidence from 9/11; they disagree with each other at times; they change their conclusions on some things (thus are not fanatic).

And though they have difficult personalities, these three are not IN THEIR WORK actually stupid -- the work is penetrating the edges of what is going on in black projects, from the point of THE TOTALITY OF EVIDENCE.

Have a good day.
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For the record ...


Not "pysroclastic" but "pyroclastic".

Typo.
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By the way, my Finnish friend,

this video SPLICES their comments to MAKE some of what they say sound stupid.

Giuliani had trucks of dirt in for every truck they took away! ... and it kept on going. They had guys years later even in white HAZMAT type suits working there.

This is what they did at Chernobyl. There is a lot to the idea of demolecularization which Grable mentioned; Wood's examples (mentioned above) show this was likely.

SOMETHING ODD OCCURRED in bringing those buildings down, into their footprints too quickly, with less than 12% debris, 50+ massive clean top-down ROUND holes in other buildings, "melted" cars with no Tire damage or fire on the paint, sudden rust on the cars in a week (odd molecular residual effects?) ... and so on.

and Judy Wood was ACTUALLY trying to say that there was too much dust to account for what actually fell. Parts were falling (away) and parts were falling (down) but they demolecularized it in mid-air as well.

You may know several witnesses have said they saw beams -- come of them coming from WTC7. But they refused to be interviewed and were reported by one 9/11 researcher who lives in NYC.

There is actually a lot to what these emotional people say when they're not on the spot; AND their words have been HASHED here in a mocking manner.

Anyone can do the latter.
They could do it to you.
Bye for now.
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It was nice to get back on topic for a change, even if we have to scroll past troll spam. When TLR started this thread, I never thought Nancy would leave GLP before a year was up. By boycotting her threads, it was proven that her threads had high post counts not because people believed in her, but because the debunkers posted there. Her band of idiots kept telling us to piss off, so we did, and look where Nancy is today. In a rubber room full of ningnuts! Ignoring Max and Luser has worked too. I'm sure the latest troll will fade as we ignore it too.
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It was nice to get back on topic for a change, even if we have to scroll past troll spam. When TLR started this thread, I never thought Nancy would leave GLP before a year was up. By boycotting her threads, it was proven that her threads had high post counts not because people believed in her, but because the debunkers posted there. Her band of idiots kept telling us to piss off, so we did, and look where Nancy is today. In a rubber room full of ningnuts! Ignoring Max and Luser has worked too. I'm sure the latest troll will fade as we ignore it too.
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Actually I did say (several billion pages back behind the ccrap) that when the ning opened up by one of her previous followers, that at the time I gave her 3 months- from memory- it was closer to to 4-6 weeks before she abandoned glp to concentrate on the group.. sorry, blog... sorry, ning

(been there seen that before)

;-)


AND it wasn't half obvious when someone chucked a tempy tantrum because nancy left and decided to `fiddle' the figures because they could...

19,982
115,465

(even allowing for the ccrap thats a doubling of views in 1 months- so we `should ' be about 750,000 about now...)

some decide to back the truth, and some are lusers mates and never the two shall meet (hopefully)
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Ignoring Max and Luser has worked too.
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It has. I haven't seen a post by Luser in weeks. I wonder what he's doing with himself these days. I hope he stashed some of that shill money away for the day when he wouldn't be needed anymore...which has apparently arrived.

I'm surprised Nancy still sends Max here...but that's probably just to gather information for her and then report back.

I'm sure the latest troll will fade as we ignore it too.
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I'm surprised the discussion there has gone on as long as it has.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Ignoring Max and Luser has worked too.

It has. I haven't seen a post by Luser in weeks. I wonder what he's doing with himself these days. I hope he stashed some of that shill money away for the day when he wouldn't be needed anymore...which has apparently arrived.

I'm surprised Nancy still sends Max here...but that's probably just to gather information for her and then report back.


I'm sure the latest troll will fade as we ignore it too.

I'm surprised the discussion there has gone on as long as it has.
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I used to read the Mclaraek posts, but not any more, it's just endless trolling of the same old debunked bullshit.
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I used to read the Mclaraek posts, but not any more, it's just endless trolling of the same old debunked bullshit.
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well it's NOT quite the same....

why use 1 word when 10 thousand will do....

And by why, I mean, any entity somewhere, who may or may not speak english,with y being the second last letter of the alphabet, did you know that the second last tower was the second to fall, but second is first to the zetas, although I may say it isn't at a later date, if what anyone says is a philosophical divide of the percieved apparentness of each individuals individual mental perception of the gesault of the perception of the communication and each individual gesault of the apparent individual entity apparently reproducing unnoninaccurately replicative in response to unverbalised but implied implications...

so there, I am right!!!
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and by use, the implication is the usage of the word use, dating back to babbling on, where the first usage of the word on required the slanted tilting of the original use of the monononpolyphonic n, a monosymbolic utterance of the previously nonpolyphonic adaption of the userage, showing that the interest in macropholyphonic utterances increases with increasing frequency and verbiage

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