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Like most new age scamsters, Nancy has gotten more than just adulation out of her Zetatalk enterprise. While I do believe she hasn't earned a penny in many years, back in the beginning, people were donating to her non profit organization
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she had it pretty sweet for a while, look at the chat records that are still online

She also used to get invites to do radio shows, including Coast to Coast, but her last interview with Noory was a disaster. She doesn't do well in situations where she can't screen questions or when the host is impartial. George took a lot of flack from listeners for having her on. After this show, Nancy claimed here that she had been banned from C2C because of her stunning "accuracy track record" and the dark forces that conspire to silence her "message".
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when even the wackos go `o...k.. you are nutz...'

it should be a wakeup call.... nope its all the mysterious `THEM'
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plus many of the `expenses' imho never happened- the tens of thousands on `ham radio gear and training'....

what they said they spent would have been a major (and noticeable) new station - if they actually did buy the gear, they have never used it...

(amatuer radio is a hobby of mine, which is why i sometimes have a sblack when its obvious (to me and any other radio enthusists) she doesnt have a clue about what she is talking about)

I dare say Astronut and the MIA (is he?) `other nasa paid shill' (i just wish I had access to his gear for a visit- maybe one day) have the same urges whenever nancy blunders into something they know about

a kinda `WTF- is she THIS dumb???- followed by much loud laughter, normally followed by demands from partners/neighbours/ people 20 miles away to shut the hell up- because you are laughing that loud....
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sblack
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interesting apparently laughter is also forbidden here ;-)

I used the colloquial word for an amused quiet laughter at anothers expense

starts with s

LOL it picked up on that spelling and substituted `sblack' instead..

which only made it more apparent than ever...

wonder what happens if i start to talk about a town in Austria...

[link to googlesightseeing.com]
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PMSL

from that link (and yes i checked - there IS a town in Haiti called that....)

I would love to actually see that happen IRL....
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I used to read the Mclaraek posts, but not any more, it's just endless trolling of the same old debunked bullshit.
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Not debunked. Show me stuff that's been debunked -- not just claimed to be.

:)
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Pretty much. In fact, it's very similar to what Max used to do. Just variations of a theme. So, I just scroll on by looking for anything ZetaTalk and "Planet X" related.
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Not debunked. Show me stuff that's been actually debunked.
:)
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Actually I did say (several billion pages back behind the ccrap)
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Not crap. Show anything important that's been debunked -- actually debunked. :)
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06/18/2010 11:48 PM
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why use 1 word when 10 thousand will do....

[...]

so there, I am right!!!
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Ah, but when you use a lot of words they make no sense AND have nothing important to say.

Some concepts must be presented fully.

Show me any important material that's worthless and truly debunked.

:)
mclarek
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06/18/2010 11:54 PM
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I'll quiz the troll to death, the rest of you bear with me.

[...]

b) mclarek can't believe how stupid we are

[...]
 Quoting: Catseye 1005747


"Tu dicis."

Look it up. Hint: Bible (Vulgate) -- oh, look that up, too! :P

By the way, you have not handled the MATERIAL I have set forth. Show me anything important which has been debunked.

:)
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[link to www.youtube.com]



Holy crap.

These aren't just schizophrenics off the streets?

These are actually "researchers" that some are taking seriously?

That explains a lot about what's been going on here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583


It explains nothing. Read my posts (end of page 666-667 top).

Don't fall for ad hominem presentations of people -- even real flaws, dear "scientist" or you are not one.

The work is what counts.

There are others who are less neurotic. Be patient with the people -- Newton was a kook. So was Einstein. Galileo was a pugnacious idiot.

ETC.
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I seem to understand WHAT it is better than you, who think it's just "a band of stars".

5a


One thing you SEEM to have is the ability to talk yourself into believing anything. It is amazing to watch.
 Quoting: Setheory 869850


Idiotic.

I have explained it better than Menow.

And you can't give that credit where it's due.

Do YOU understand what the ecliptic IS? It is only a band created by our Sun's passes over the year. If the Sun were in any other relation to the Earth, we would have a different "ecliptic" and different passes through different stars. It is WHY we name those stars as such important constellations and mark that line through them, to boot.
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Apparently, this:

So, the more important issue is: TILT AFFECTS WHAT CONSTELLATIONS WE WILL SEE. We only see a few in the band of total sun-passes at a time. The ecliptic is where the central constellations are, but it is DUE TO OUR TILT THAT WE CARE ABOUT THAT line through stars.
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Is condisdered a refinement of the previous ridiculous statement.

You can't make up stuff this good!

Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573


You are an IDIOT, Menow. This is what the ecliptic IS. It is the band of stars we care about because it is the line from the Sun's yearly rising points and due to tilt.

You didn't think it had to do with tilt, you dumb--.

cool2

I gave you the stupider version finally, the one which you want: the constellation band. But your stupid version is mere superficiality of definition: at root, the 12 constellations are defined by IT, not the other way around.

You lose. Forever. Finito.

5a
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Oh, now I see the whole "tilt" thing - summer to winter! I wasn't paying enough attention and just thought the tilt was regarding the "ecliptic thing".

 Quoting: Catseye 986557


Well, Menow doesn't get it. Or didn't, a day ago!

:) "Nothing to do with tilt." Ha ha ha

I stated it in explication of my shortened statement and he still didn't get it and called me worthless, in effect.

HA HA HA

So I gave it again WITH his expected response and all he can go back to is the shorthand comment to try to malign me ---

meanwhile he indicated it had nothing to do with tilt!

STOOOOOPID. Shows HIS knowledge lacking.

:)
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sorry forgot to link back to the original
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

NASA: Cosmic Superstorm More Crippling Than 20 Katrinas

Gotta get those shore stories in place before the shift hits the fan. "It's the sun, stupid!"




so its gone from a NASA spokesman (quite obviously IMHO) pushing for further funding to replace an 15 yr old satellite to `more crippling than 20 Katrinas'
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So you don't believe NASA is telling the ... <gasp> ... TRUTH?

You mean they could ... LIE?
mclarek
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Hey George,

does your Tricey ever get tired?

ROTFL

Sometimes it tires me out just scrolling by it and reading ...

it just keeps galumping along!

:)
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Oh, now I see the whole "tilt" thing - summer to winter! I wasn't paying enough attention and just thought the tilt was regarding the "ecliptic thing".

Anyway, here's a stimulating thought - maybe the Zetas are responsible for America's obesity epidemic, too. I see sinister implications involved. I'm reminded of a quote from a Twilight Zone episode from 1962:

Mr. Chambers! Don't get on that ship! The rest of the book, "To Serve Man", it's... it's a cookbook!

They've already started with Nancy.

tard




Hey, I just noticed! There aren't any fatso emoticons! The above 'tard is the closest to being a fattie. Geez, we got druggies, alkies, politicians, possessed people . . . why no fatties???
 Quoting: Catseye 986557


No... I really have no idea how Clare was connecting the 'tilt' with the ecliptic. It made no sense at all.

Nancy's claim is that we are still having normal seasons, even though Earth is halted in orbit, because "zetas" are tilting Earth, and some other crazy stuff, to 'simulate' the seasons, as insane as that sounds. And her followers believe it.
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It sure was nice to get back on topic today. I think there is still a troll in the room, but we can keep the discussion on track if we just ignore the pathetic attempts to get our attention. Scrolled past a bunch of trollspam. If I don't read it I can't take the bait.
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Do you think they are that crazed . . . I only found out about her less than a year ago . . . I guess those of you who have followed her nutty stuff for years have better judgment about that!

i was around for the 2003 `end of the world' sorry white lie

there were people leaving their `crazy' families to go to safe spots, there is the well documented group that decided to build a bunker in a state forrest- containers, backhoes,dozers etc etc
funnily enough when they got busted destroying a national park as they are called over here- their excuse that they shouldnt be charged because `in may the world was going to end' didnt get them off

there was rumours of a suicide although I havent seen any personal evidence- I think that one of the other registered people here may know more about that than me
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It was in the 'national forest'. I had met some of those people. I was no longer in contact with them when they got found out, so I don't know much about that part. I DO know that they lost thousands of dollars worth of equipment and supplies over the deal.
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is he being `groomed' as the new zetababble spokesman???

Here's how I see it going down. Nancy will gradually have
Gerard be the main spokesperson, and eventually just send
things to him to repeat on the ning. That way if and when
(no one lives forever) she is no longer able to direct he
can simply make up stuff on his own, and even impersonate
her. If they do acknowledge that she's no longer around it
will be the end of things there.





Do you think they are that crazed . . . I only found out about her less than a year ago . . . I guess those of you who have followed her nutty stuff for years have better judgment about that!

In May of 2003 she had at least a couple thousand followers.
After the Great White Lie she lost almost 90% of that. I think
they are lonely people looking for something to cling to that
makes them feel special and "in the know".
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I wonder what ever became of 'Queenvee'? Victoria Rideout, I think, was her real name.
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Apparently, this:

So, the more important issue is: TILT AFFECTS WHAT CONSTELLATIONS WE WILL SEE. We only see a few in the band of total sun-passes at a time. The ecliptic is where the central constellations are, but it is DUE TO OUR TILT THAT WE CARE ABOUT THAT line through stars.
Quoting: mclarek 1004307


Is condisdered a refinement of the previous ridiculous statement.

You can't make up stuff this good!

Heh.


You are an IDIOT, Menow. This is what the ecliptic IS. It is the band of stars we care about because it is the line from the Sun's yearly rising points and due to tilt.

You didn't think it had to do with tilt, you dumb--.

So YOU refered to TILT when talking about the ecliptic because????


Quoting: mclarek 1004307
I gave you the stupider version finally, the one which you want: the constellation band. But your stupid version is mere superficiality of definition: at root, the 12 constellations are defined by IT, not the other way around.

You lose. Forever. Finito.

5a
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Since I never even GAVE an explanation or description of the ecliptic, it is rather telling that you are claiming my 'version' is stupid.

Heh. Wot a maroon!

I don't expect any rational responses from you, Clare, so don't bother thinking that you have baited my into playing your little game again. You have not.
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This sentence didn't unquote properly. It was from me in the above.

So YOU refered to TILT when talking about the ecliptic because????
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Oh, now I see the whole "tilt" thing - summer to winter! I wasn't paying enough attention and just thought the tilt was regarding the "ecliptic thing".



Well, Menow doesn't get it. Or didn't, a day ago!

:) "Nothing to do with tilt." Ha ha ha

I stated it in explication of my shortened statement and he still didn't get it and called me worthless, in effect.

HA HA HA

So I gave it again WITH his expected response and all he can go back to is the shorthand comment to try to malign me ---

meanwhile he indicated it had nothing to do with tilt!

STOOOOOPID. Shows HIS knowledge lacking.

:)
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307


You're simply baiting. In fact, the ecliptic is not affected, in the least, but Earth's axial tilt. Apparently you think it is, or are trolling with that inanity. I have no further use for any discussion of it with you. You are either an idiot or a troll, or both.
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I suspect that Clare finally figured out that she was wrong in applying 'tilt' when talking about the ecliptic and is now attempting to scramble the discussion and pretend she was only 'fooling' when she said that, more than once. It's the "I MEANT to do that!" ploy.

Heh.

Gawd Clare is fun to toy with! I still won't contribute to having her derail the thread anymore, tho.
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This sentence didn't unquote properly. It was from me in the above.

So YOU refered to TILT when talking about the ecliptic because????
 Quoting: Menow 1008084

You still don't get it and have no memory for the content of our talk?

"????"

HA HA HA

Massive fail for you. Look, you are such an ... well, a jerk to me, you stepped right into this one and ... HA HA HA

You set up my meanness. :)

Okay,
Here's a recap of your dragging all this out (as usual) to imply I'm stupid and illogical, so that in the confusion which you entangle us in, it's a long and pointless discussion.

You were all hung up on the issue of the Zetas and stoppage; you failed to link that to their tilting us, in the claim; when you did mention each (tiltage and stoppage), you didn't see that the two were composites in the claim; so you didn't get why I suggested the only thing left you haven't testd for in your rigour to debunk it is parallax missing because you didn't see how that has to do with tilt (it doesn't -- it has to do with stoppage); then you forgot again that re-tilting and stoppage are linked in the claim; and you were confused about why I mentioned the claim is half-untestable anyway, as if I believe the "fairies are here" hypothesis; but all I was pointing out all along was that even if you succeeded in ALL tests (including parallax loss for stoppage) you are left only with the tautology in the claim, i.e., that the Zetas are doing a "good job" at hiding their handiwork.

Then the ecliptic came up (in relation to the tilt aspect) and you didn't get that; oh no, I was supposedly stupid to mention it and do't know what the ecliptic is. HA HA HA

And supposedly I should "Google" -- by the way, I use Scroogle, 'cause Google's a creepy company -- "ecliptic".

HA HA HA

You should: but don't stop at the stars along it.

Menow, honestly: the reason the RE-TILTING is mentioned in the Zeta claim AT ALL is because of summer-winter AND ecliptic constellation advancements. (But it fails in getting the latter right, if we're stopped. I'll cover that at the end of this post.)

So ... do YOU know what the ecliptic IS -- not what it can be defined as, in the superficial constellation sense"????"

By your questions and comments, not. :P

All the ecliptic IS is the progression of the Sun DUE TO OUR TILT and how it's ORIENTED at different times of the year.

The Sun rises at a different point each day, CREATING the demarcation "line" of the ecliptic. Its top is the Tropic o' Can., the bottom the Tropic o' Cap.

Why"????"

The ecliptic is merely the POINTS on a line of what we see per day through the year at Sunrise. And it's due to ... THE TILT and its re-orientation at each point in the year's orbit of the Sun.

If the Zetas DID such a thing while we were stopped, however, they could mimic correctly (minus parallax shift) the CONSTELLATION shift along the ecliptic (the ecliptic rise) OR mimic the Sun's position, but not both at the same time.

Why"????"

Well, if they did it correct the tilt for the constellations along the ecliptic, the Sun's position everyday would be ALWAYS IN THE SAME CONSTELLATION. So they'd have to fudge the light (bending the Sun) or whatever, a LOT.

Get it now, "dear""????"

Gosh. I wish you were nicer. This could be a much more interesting and kind discussion.
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I suspect that Clare finally figured out that she was wrong in applying 'tilt' when talking about the ecliptic and is now attempting to scramble the discussion and pretend she was only 'fooling' when she said that, more than once. It's the "I MEANT to do that!" ploy.

Heh.

Gawd Clare is fun to toy with! I still won't contribute to having her derail the thread anymore, tho.
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Suspicions wrong, as usual.

Heh.
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You're simply baiting. In fact, the ecliptic is not affected, in the least, but Earth's axial tilt. Apparently you think it is, or are trolling with that inanity. I have no further use for any discussion of it with you. You are either an idiot or a troll, or both.
 Quoting: Menow 1008084


No, the CONSTELLATIONS ALONG the arbitrary line of the former ecliptic would remain the same. But we would have a new ecliptic.

The ecliptic is defined as the points our tilt requires the Sun to rise in, over the year; and would be different if our tilt were different.

Those constellations would still be there ("heh", and the line through them ("heh"), which we currently call the ecliptic ... along with all other lines through all other points in the celesial "sphere" of our view. ("Heh.")

But we'd have a new ECLIPTIC>

It means, literally that the Sun progressively ECLIPSES that set of points (line) in the star-view. That is, that line through those stars (the constellations which WE define as important for that natural reason), over the year, get ECLIPSED at Sunrise.

Heh.

Indeed.
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If you can take it -- that I have been right all along and made excellent points which you failed to grasp --

then ...

"Jolly Good" and

peace

Let's see you have some decency and humility for once. It won't kill you. Because I don't go for jugulars as you do.
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I suspect that Clare finally figured out [...] and is now attempting to scramble the discussion and pretend [...]
 Quoting: Menow 1008084


Actually, I was having a lovely discussion, about your ignorance and hubris, which is the only reason it's mentionable. -- Ignorance is not a moral crime, which you forget. Fortunately for YOU, I remember it and don't really hold it against you.

It's only a moral crime if it's willful ignorance -- as some people here have.

And I was discussing some fascinating things I was reading -- about the Biefield-Brown effect, imperfect as the research was, in being a pioneering effort. -- A lovely conversation with a friend.

hf

Not stewing in fear of being wrong. For I was not. (But also, being wrong should never make a person afraid to admit, anyway -- unless people gang up on them for correcting themself, as you do. Otherwise, how would people learn and grow?)

"Heh."
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Hubris.

You can "Google" that.
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Actually, I was having a lovely discussion --
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You've been talking to yourself, Clare.

What you've written here has been you talking to you. You've mostly ignored what others have written and you've ignored the links given as proof of your claims having been debunked by others who've actually researched those claims.

You talk to yourself a lot, Clare. But you don't listen and you don't see others. You're not only deaf but you're blind as well.

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