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mclarek
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Hubris.

You can "Google" that.
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Actually, I was having a lovely discussion --
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You've been talking to yourself, Clare.

What you've written here has been you talking to you. You've mostly ignored what others have written and you've ignored the links given as proof of your claims having been debunked by others who've actually researched those claims.

You talk to yourself a lot, Clare. But you don't listen and you don't see others. You're not only deaf but you're blind as well.
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Oh, now I see the whole "tilt" thing - summer to winter! I wasn't paying enough attention and just thought the tilt was regarding the "ecliptic thing".
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307 to Catseye 986587


I get the impression you think the tilt creates only summer and winter; you're close -- but it seems, after all, that you don't understand the tilt ALSO has to do with the ecliptic.

The ecliptic is only demarcated as a line, and those constellations noticed as important, and so named (ecliptic) ...

because the Sun rises at a new point each sunrise, along that particular line in the celestial sphere of view. It ECLIPSES the points along that line, day by day.

It is due to our tilt: that line, instead of another one through the stars, has significance and is called "ecliptic" because the Sun goes through it.

If we have a different tilt, we have a different ecliptic.

The Sun goes through that like because our tilt re-orients our north and south, from summer and winter.
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Scrolling past the trollspam...........

Trolls don't care about respect, just getting attention to fill the hole in their pathetic lonely lives.

Anyways, to keep the thread on topic, I am in my 60th year. The end of the world has come and gone countless times since I can remember. My grandfather used to tell me that doom dates had been around all his life too. Some things never change.
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What you've written here has been you talking to you. You've mostly ignored what others have written and you've ignored the links given as proof of your claims having been debunked by others who've actually researched those claims.

You talk to yourself a lot, Clare. But you don't listen and you don't see others. You're not only deaf but you're blind as well.
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No, dear. YOU ignored the full, experienced and effortful responses I made to both your ad hominem link (latest video) and incomplete and misleading link (first anti-TV Fakery video).

I have replied with full information; if you do not do due diligence YOU are wilfully ignorant.

And that is really sad. Really!

God. Really. Be real and LOOK. You are currently willfully blind for I have given you more and excellent information. I know you've been misled and you don't know how willful you're being, but for God's sake, look.

Meanwhile, a simpler task:
Read about the ecliptic, too; for you to say I'm talking to myself means you don't know WHAT the ecliptic is.
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Scrolling past the trollspam...........

Trolls don't care about respect, just getting attention to fill the hole in their pathetic lonely lives.

Anyways, to keep the thread on topic, I am in my 60th year. The end of the world has come and gone countless times since I can remember. My grandfather used to tell me that doom dates had been around all his life too. Some things never change.
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Do you know what the ecliptic is?

Do you realize Menow, not I, was the "troll" of ignorance?

You a--.
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If ...

If we have a different tilt, we have a different ecliptic.
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It's really sad when people talk to themselves. It's sign of mental illness. Good thing GLP doesn't discriminate against crazy people.

This troll is just like so many others we have encountered. Like Volar for example. Whatever happened to that kook? Did he ever receive his telescope? LOL.
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It's really sad when people talk to themselves. It's sign of mental illness. Good thing GLP doesn't discriminate against crazy people.

This troll is just like so many others we have encountered. Like Volar for example. Whatever happened to that kook? Did he ever receive his telescope? LOL.
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Ignorant bully. You are protecting another: Menow.

If we have a different tilt, we have a different ecliptic.
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... full, experienced and effortful responses I made to both your ad hominem link (latest video) and incomplete and misleading link (first anti-TV Fakery video).

I have replied with full information; if you do not do due diligence YOU are wilfully ignorant.
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I watched the vids you suggested.

And showed to you that they didn't have such experience with the material as you thought, te one being mere ad hominem with no content anyway. -- I wish they HAD debunked it all.

So, here: you might like a professor of philosophy of science talking in a quick and masterful summary of some of the Pentagon fakery -- with testimony of his own, and from a friend --

Right-click Pastore's name (he's the interviewee, but not the speaker I'm referring to) -- then download and save, so you get the timer (it's not on the on-line Quicktime player). Go to: 36 minutes in.

Friday, May 28, 2010
Albert D Pastore
[link to radiofetzer.blogspot.com]
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And

Anonymous Coward 10010905 ...

it is short -- only to 41 min's.

You might like the whole interview though -- it has many topics.
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Good night, Menow.

Understand the ecliptic and why it relates to tilt, now?

As usual, I am talking sense -- even though it requires space, time, and words to express fully -- and you're dragging the concepts back and forth, into nonsense.

"Heh."

Ahh -- sleep time. Ciao 4 now.
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If ...

If we have a different tilt, we have a different ecliptic.
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No, dear.
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So I too get the "dear" now that you've decided to label me as a 'he', 'man', 'fellow' etc.

You know, in Finnish there is no 'he' and 'she' but only one word ('hän') for everybody. Simpler and more equal, I think.

YOU ignored the full, experienced and effortful responses I made to both your ad hominem link (latest video) and incomplete and misleading link (first anti-TV Fakery video).
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Listen, you ignorant fool! You have been offered discussion and links since the day you got here. Starting from page 520 it's been obvious that you've ignored many of the posts because you've been so busy trolling, or talking to yourself, or offering your "full, experienced and effortful responses". You've been repeating again and again the same foolish arguments and claims. You've ignored the responses made.

I'm not the one here who's been "missing" posts and links. I'm not the one who hasn't "seen" them - you are. Read the thread, at least from page 520.

When you came here you wanted to give the impression that you had some unique understanding of the issues being discussed here. You called yourself a scholar and mentioned having been in the university. What university did you go to, btw? Have you graduated?

Judging from your posts I find it difficult to believe that any academic institute would give a master's degree to someone like you who doesn't understand or who cannot apply scientific method.

You've claimed to have studied thoroughly the issues that you've brought up here. It is very obvious you lied. You don't know shit about your gurus (Nancy Lieder, September Clues, etc) and you come here thinking that you can educate and help us!

Listen, you fool! You insist that your claims haven't been debunked. They have been and there's a lot of material on the internet - you just haven't looked into it and you haven't searched or researched.

The claim that "this thing has never been debunked!" is the same that the zetatalk cult believers use. They too believe that planet x or Nancy Lieder or Zetatalk crap has never been thoroughly debunked, and they too always bring up some new "proof" as evidence of their "theory" or "hypothesis". Keep the debunkers busy, keep them working for you to offer material in the net and then totally ignore it - that's what you do.

No matter how many sites and other material there is it's never enough. There's no point offering you any links because you only ignore them, glance through them and then go on with your original claims no matter what they were and what counter evidence was given in the links. You only see what you believe. And apparently there's no changing what you believe. You're a fundamentalist.

If your details are shown to be wrong you just claim that the other/s don't see the "forest". And whatever claim of yours was debunked then you just say it's irrelevant to the discussion anyway. And when there's extensive material proving you wrong you just ignore it.
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feedtroll
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ignore it, dont respond to it and it will eventually get bored and go away

wander over to the ning and find something amusing to bring back here and disect and laugh about

or just chat about zetatards foolishness in general

just dont engage the troll, ignore its posts- dont even bother to read them because it quickly escalates in intensity as it realises noone is even bothering to read its inaane blatherings
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back on topic- Menow- I didn't know you actually knew some of those people

I only read the posted newpaper articles etc- that little escapade ended up costing them tens of thousands of dollars- did any of them end up with criminal records over it?
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Menow, you cannot dissemble and wiggle out with the following, using sophistry (as you tend to do):

Since I never even GAVE an explanation or description of the ecliptic, it is rather telling that you are claiming my 'version' is stupid.

Heh. Wot a maroon!
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Oh, you revealed what you DIDN'T think it was ...

that it has direct relationship to the tilt.

So you thought it was just a band of constellations the Sun followed -- without the tilt relating.

Here's one of your statements -- "heh":

No... I really have no idea how Clare was connecting the 'tilt' with the ecliptic. It made no sense at all.
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How about ...

If we have a different tilt, we have a different ecliptic.
mclarek
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back on topic- Menow- I didn't know you actually knew some of those people

I only read the posted newpaper articles etc- that little escapade ended up costing them tens of thousands of dollars- did any of them end up with criminal records over it?
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Oh it's on topic, Oz.

Menow attacked me for talking of the Zeta tilt and the ecliptic in the same context. You don't get to act against me.

:P

If we have a different tilt, we have a different ecliptic.
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Well said, my Finnish friend. That's why it's best to just scroll past her drivel, pretend it's not there. She is trying to bait us to take prevent us from focusing on the topic of this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if she is someone we have encountered before. Perhaps elle went camping in Canada, or Max is in drag with a proxy.

Honest, it isn't worth the aggravation trying to reason with her. She will suck you in with her idiocies and end up making you look foolish too. This is what she wants. Just ignore her. Hopefully she will get tired of masturbating in a room full of people that don't even read what she says and go start a thread of her own.
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No, dear.



[snip still emotionally willfully ignorant, refusal of someone who believes reality has been debunked by prejudiced minds]
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You have debunked nothing and your sources are immensely flawed. I pointed out a few, only a few.

I am well aware of the debunker points on most of it. THEY ARE INSUFFICIENT. You will see that if you look at the other side.

As to my "missing" posts: this is a straw man argument. In the fast pace of replying to numerous replies, and trying to do them justice, I did not get to all posts to me every day. Mostly, I replied, in the end, and was slammed ALSO for doing so! HA HA HA

Back on the topic of fakery which you are so upset about:

I showed you some of the TOTALITY of EVIDENCE Judy Wood presents, and it's not handled by anyone you mention. (Just for starters.)


I meant it because I care for you in the fact you're listening to false (inadequate) debunkers. The prosecution is INADEQUATE here.

They use omission of evidence, which ends up misrepresenting some evidence, plus use incomplete presentation of arguments, ad hominem implications (innuendo on character, not work), etc.

YOU do YOUR OWN homework. That means you'll have to hear the defense properly: Go back to my points, point for point. You will see the prosecution's arguments dissolve.

Then you'll see the complicit media AND the necessity for energy weapons in NYC -- PHYSICS of the TOTAL EVIDENCE.

Good day. We need more citizens awake. That's why I called you dear. My whole tone showed the care tone -- and not sex or sarcasm.
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Today, I was in the ichat with family in US, and in US (30 minutes later than los llanos) it was Sunny, sun high in sky for sunset, while here in Los llanos, it was nighttime (6:52 pm los llanos dark). I have pictures of the screen. This was unusual. But it may not be unusual. Who knows!
The wobble I guess.

from the ning

I guess time zones are a bit complicated for them too

thing is that if the `wobble' existed and it made it dark early for them, then it would also make it dark earlier for the family as well

the only way it would make it dark early for one place but not another would be if the eart was being `twisted' into an interesting new non semispherical shape...
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Well said, my Finnish friend.

Honest, it isn't worth the aggravation trying to reason with her.
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You are not spouting reason If you have a different tilt, you have a different ecliptic.

Your reason is a mere POSTURE of knowing.

You are not being a student of scientific reasoning re. 9/11:

If you apply principle of inference to the best explanation, is what hypothesis, if it were true would confer the high prob on all the evidence as we know it. There is no alternative that really competes with TV fakery and no planes. It is the best explanation for all the evidence -- the total, comparative evidence.

Elias Davidsson has produced a study that the gov't has never produced any evidence that any of those hijackers were really aboard the planes.

They produced a mystery passport (miraculously fluttered to a NYC street! ... but no ordinary evidence, like passenger manifests, etc. And Hani Hanjour's flight instructor said he found this incredible, since he couldn't fly, basically, even in a propeller plane!

Wake up, dear.

YOU WANT REASON, DEAL WITH ME. Or stay asleep.
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I'm still laughing over the ningcompoop that thinks Orion should be visible now because it was visible during the winter. Poor bastard thinks it's proof that planet x is around the corner, because he can't see Orion these days. Nancy agrees. Neither realizes that they have just given eyewitness proof that the earth is where it should be - in the "June" position.
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STOP STOP on book sales! I don't get the profits, they go to the publisher who is in the tank because so many book distributors went bankrupt. So he holds the funds just to stay alive. Have not seen a check for almost 10 years, seriously. And the book is pre-2003 and has 1/10 the info of the web etc.

I'm OK guys!

nancy from the ning

Interesting...
Even if the publisher was `in the tank' then she would legally still get the money due to her as the author....

A quick google showed no signs of the publisher (Granite Publishing) having troubles meeting deliverys, they are actually quite good in a quick responce time apparently (crazy as loons in their support of various beliefs but apparently quite practical when it comes to the $$$)

So why is nancy suddenly so down on selling `her' books on the ning??

maybe the author isn't nancy and she's had a falling out with the real author and doesn't want them getting the $ from `her' game?

IF she was the author then she would be getting a check with every book sold- thats how publishers work- they sell your book and give you money for each one they have sold..

If she hasnt recieved a check for 10 years from the publishers- either they havent sold any of her books at all in those 10 years, or she isnt the author and so isnt entitled to get the $$ from any book sales
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I'm still laughing over the ningcompoop that thinks Orion should be visible now because it was visible during the winter. Poor bastard thinks it's proof that planet x is around the corner, because he can't see Orion these days. Nancy agrees. Neither realizes that they have just given eyewitness proof that the earth is where it should be - in the "June" position.
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Yes.

And yet you are wrong to think Menow was right.

If you have a different tilt, you have a different ecliptic.

And Hani Hanjour almost couldn't fly. He was on assignment -- to die.
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Then you'll see the complicit media AND the necessity for energy weapons in NYC -- PHYSICS of the TOTAL EVIDENCE.

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I also read that some of the ningtards wanted to send Nancy money, and she was kind of rude to them, saying that she didn't want a new computer because it would mean more work for her to set it up.

I got the feeling that she might be trying to lay low.......
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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mclarek: [energy weapons were the main destroyer: brought the towers down into dust]
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Learn the facts. The TOTALITY of evidence.

Go to Dr Judy Wood's site; ignore everything but the photos of the

- 50+ round holes clean through buildings from the top;

- the near-free-fall of the buildings as they turned to dust with HALF the 12% of their debris on the ground (unlike normal controlled demolitions at 12% or more);

- the melted cars with no singeing;

- the rustification in a week of steel and cars in the area;

- the trucked-in mountain of dirt and fumes (not steam);

- the unburned paper in a melted steel filing cabinet ...

Then you can talk on the subject.
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And ...

re. Menow's "trolling" nonsense:

If you have a different tilt, you have a different ecliptic.

Good day.