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George B

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I hope you have better examples than those at Arizona Skywatch and other such "chemtrail" sites.

Here are some common errors made on those sites...

[link to contrailscience.com]

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I sure do . . . I do not use them at all.
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If you don't look, you will never find. But finding ruins the game so none of the chemtards cares enough about reality to look.

You might be surprised at how sophisticated the Advocates are getting . . . wait until the Debate/Trial in July.



Unless you have REAL data from an in situ sample I can pass.

Science is not run on a consensus basis. Concensus is a political concept, and politics and science are not interchangeable.

How about extensive scientific research sampling residual elements from biological sources that cannot be accounted for by any other means except deposition from the atmosphere.



Research performed by whom? Some chemtard that flunked high school chemistry?

Unless and until you have in situ samples you are just flapping your gums.

This is just a tease . . . I am not revealing my source or the rest of the research until the July Debate . . .





It is only a tease if you know nothing about the presentation of data, if you do you find your picture is utterly worthless.
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I have the data and the entire scientific research monograph . . . it will be on point and will validate what I am suggesting.
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Science is not run on a consensus basis. Concensus is a political concept, and politics and science are not interchangeable.

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That is true except when politics infringes upon Science . . . See Below:


NASA Sued in Court by CEI for Hiding Data In truth, the passing of time is showing that NASA has stooped to break the law to stop anyone seeing what their “full surface energy balance equation” is-if it exists. We know this because the space agency has defied all such Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests from the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) for several years. The ongoing scandal has been dubbed NASA-Gate. CEI is now taking NASA to court for refusing to permit independent auditors the chance to assess the reliability of both government-funded science as well as the validity of current U.S. Administration’s expensive green energy policies.
At a minimum, NASA-gate raises serious questions about competency and the integrity of certain government space agency employees. Dr. Curry’s final words: “I'm contacting NASA about this.”
Reference: Trenberth, K.E., J.T. Fasullo, and J. Kiehl, 2009: Earth’s Global Energy Budget. Bulletin of the American
Meteorological Society, Vol 90, No 3, pp 311–323.


NASA Charged in New Climate Fakery: Greenhouse Gas Data Bogus Shock new evidence of a NASA scientist faking a fundamental greenhouse gas equation shames
beleaguered space administration in new global warming fraud scandal.
Caught in the heat are NASA's Dr. Judith Curry and a junk science equation by the space agency’s Dr. Gavin Schmidt creating disarray over a contentious Earth energy graph.
The internal row was ignited by the release of a sensational new research paper discrediting
calculations crucial to the greenhouse gas theory. [link to climaterealists.com]

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It is only a tease if you know nothing about the presentation of data, if you do you find your picture is utterly worthless.
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If I don't have the original source material I do not use it . . . the sources will be verified and the reader will be able to validate the source, authority and credentials of the researcher.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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since you are so worried about a Wainio reaction


So says the "expressive and caring" Canuck telephone solicitor.



TELEPHONE SOLICITOR??? Tell us more!
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Somebody outed her as a phone solicitor many pages ago and she more or less acknowledged it.
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since you are so worried about a Wainio reaction


So says the "expressive and caring" Canuck telephone solicitor.



TELEPHONE SOLICITOR??? Tell us more!



Somebody outed her as a phone solicitor many pages ago and she more or less acknowledged it.
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I miss her verbal gymnastics already.

<embarrassed>

I think I actually do…WTF?
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since you are so worried about a Wainio reaction


So says the "expressive and caring" Canuck telephone solicitor.



TELEPHONE SOLICITOR??? Tell us more!



Somebody outed her as a phone solicitor many pages ago and she more or less acknowledged it.
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Since I basically stopped reading the spamage and trollage from clunk I missed that. Thanks for the pointer!
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Well . . . yes . . . I did. I thought there was a healthy number of debunkers out there as well. However, I think there are more reasons for this than the fact this is a conspiracy web.
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Well . . . yes . . . I did. I thought there was a healthy number of debunkers out there as well. However, I think there are more reasons for this than the fact this is a conspiracy web.

I don't do polls on GLP anymore because people don't vote honestly. Many know what answer you're looking for and vote the opposite and some have dynamic IP addresses allowing them to vote over and over, thereby tainting the results.
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Same here. And I never go to chemtard threads. Every nutty subject has it's own brand of tards and debunkers. I have more fun debunking the 2012ers and poleshift tards.
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Well . . . yes . . . I did. I thought there was a healthy number of debunkers out there as well. However, I think there are more reasons for this than the fact this is a conspiracy web.

I don't do polls on GLP anymore because people don't vote honestly. Many know what answer you're looking for and vote the opposite and some have dynamic IP addresses allowing them to vote over and over, thereby tainting the results.
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Interesting . . . so no polls on GLP are valid?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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The straight arc was that the arc is a perfect arc in the Z axis. Just because I don't have the tech. language doesn't mean the point doesn't make sense; so you are shooting yourselves in the foot for the mani point, idiots.

Like this, the arc I meant: north toward sun and away:



worship



That is not for you. It is the type of arc: not an arc and turn, just an arc. A tilt up and down, which Meanow also didn't (or feigned not to) understand.


I knew you'd pick up on the expression to lose the point.

blahblah
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Interesting . . . so no polls on GLP are valid?

You don't really consider them a scientific sample of
the general populace, now do you.
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No . . . but I was hoping that this would be a decent representation of GLP.
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Now, check this out: this is a Russia Nibiru video (seemingly) and it DOES tip the camera and NO SHIFT OCCURS.

Thus, not lens flare?

[link to www.youtube.com]


I have also heard that in some places in Russia there are billboards warning people of Nibiru/Planet X.
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The straight arc was that the arc is a perfect arc in the Z axis. Just because I don't have the tech. language doesn't mean the point doesn't make sense; so you are shooting yourselves in the foot for the mani point, idiots.

Like this, the arc I meant: north toward sun and away:



worship



That is not for you. It is the type of arc: not an arc and turn, just an arc. A tilt up and down, which Meanow also didn't (or feigned not to) understand.


I knew you'd pick up on the expression to lose the point.

blahblah
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Welcome Clare . . . hope you have had a good day . . . welcome to the Thread Wars.
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Now, check this out: this is a Russia Nibiru video (seemingly) and it DOES tip the camera and NO SHIFT OCCURS.

Thus, not lens flare?

[link to www.youtube.com]


I have also heard that in some places in Russia there are billboards warning people of Nibiru/Planet X.
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307

Interesting video . . . after living in Alaska for several years I was use to seeing rather different meteorological & astronomical phenomenon routinely. Seems every day I got up the horizon looked different . . . the optical illusions were very common. I don't know if this is one of those cases or not.

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Well . . . yes . . . I did. I thought there was a healthy number of debunkers out there as well. However, I think there are more reasons for this than the fact this is a conspiracy web.

I don't do polls on GLP anymore because people don't vote honestly. Many know what answer you're looking for and vote the opposite and some have dynamic IP addresses allowing them to vote over and over, thereby tainting the results.

Interesting . . . so no polls on GLP are valid?
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Most of what you read here is bogus, George. Some of it because lots of people are tards and believe and repeat anything they read as if they have found truth. Some are trolls baiting people and testing the gullibility of others. There are some gems of knowledge, but you have to dig really deep and use a lot of critical thinking plus some independent research that doesn't include Crystalinks or Youtube. It's a place to have fun. Some of the best role players I have ever seen are GLP's very own talent.
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Well . . . yes . . . I did. I thought there was a healthy number of debunkers out there as well. However, I think there are more reasons for this than the fact this is a conspiracy web.

I don't do polls on GLP anymore because people don't vote honestly. Many know what answer you're looking for and vote the opposite and some have dynamic IP addresses allowing them to vote over and over, thereby tainting the results.

Interesting . . . so no polls on GLP are valid?

Most of what you read here is bogus, George. Some of it because lots of people are tards and believe and repeat anything they read as if they have found truth. Some are trolls baiting people and testing the gullibility of others. There are some gems of knowledge, but you have to dig really deep and use a lot of critical thinking plus some independent research that doesn't include Crystalinks or Youtube. It's a place to have fun. Some of the best role players I have ever seen are GLP's very own talent.
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What you just stated is about what I thought, so I am really not disappointed . . . but I will still as you say derive some information gems from the process.

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Good night all . . .
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And the cat came back.....the very next day.....
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OVerview of the flight problem:
[link to religionandmorality.net]

Some stuff on the flight schools, the hijackers, the planted evidence, the lack of airport videos of them (except one which CNN neglected to mention was taken at Portnland, not where Atta boarded the putative plane for hijacking):

[link to blip.tv]

Or: Hani Hanjour couldn't really fly, said the flight school.

[...]

"But just as the plane seemed to be on a suicide mission into the White House, the unidentified pilot executed a pivot so tight that it reminded observers of a fighter jet maneuver. The plane circled 270 degrees from the right to approach the Pentagon from the west, whereupon Flight 77 fell below radar level, vanishing from controller's screens, the sources said." ("On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked'," The Washington Post, September 12, 2001, pgs. 1 & 11)



Meet Ace Suicide Pilot Hani Hanjour

Let's look at what we know about the alleged suicide pilot of American Airlines Flight 77, Hani Hanjour. According to press reports, Hanjour had used Bowie's Maryland Freeway Airport three times since mid-August as he attempted to get permission to use one of the airport's planes. This from The Prince George's Journal [Maryland] September 18, 2001:



Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said the man named Hani Hanjour went into the air in a Cessna 172 with instructors from the airport three times beginning the second week of August and had hoped to rent a plane from the airport.

According to published reports, law enforcement sources say Hanjour, in his mid-twenties, is suspected of crashing the American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon. ...

Hanjour had his pilot's license, said Bernard, but needed what is called a 'check-out' done by the airport to gauge a pilot's skills before he or she is able to rent a plane at Freeway Airport which runs parallel to Route 50.

Instructors at the school told Bernard that after three times in the air, they still felt he was unable to fly solo and that Hanjour seemed disappointed ...

... Published reports said Hanjour obtained his pilot's license in April of 1999, but it expired six months later because he did not complete a required medical exam. He also was trained for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1996, but did not finish the course because instructors felt he was not capable.

Hanjour had 600 hours listed in his log book, Bernard said, and instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the "amount of experience". [quotation marks added] S. Pete Goulatta, a special agent and spokesman for the FBI, said it is an on-going criminal investigation and he could not comment. (pg. 1.)



If you were the mastermind who planned this breathtaking terrorist attack, would you trust a man who took 600 hours of flying time and still could not do the job? Who was paying for Hanjour's lessons, and why?

Yet this is the man the FBI would have us believe flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon "with extraordinary skill." He could not even fly a Cessna 172!

Yes, maneuvering a Boeing 757 into a 270 degree turn under tense conditions (remember, the culprits were outmanned and had crude, non lethal weapons) demanded the skill of a fighter pilot. But why would those bad, bad, Muslims want to do such a thing?

By shifting the plane's position so radically, Flight 77 managed to hit the side of the Pentagon directly opposite the side on which the offices of the Secretary of Defense and Joint Chief of Staff were located. (Coincidentally, Flight 77 hit the offices of Army operations [US News and World Report, Sept. 14, 2001, pg. 25]. Recall, it was the Army that warned of the possibility that Israel's Mossad might make a terror attack against the US.) The masterminds of Operation 911 were prepared to sacrifice the rank and file, but carefully avoided touching a hair on the head of the brass.

It reminds one of Operation Northwoods, doesn't it? Remember the rank and file sailors who were to be sacrificed on a US Naval vessel in Guantanamo Bay, in order to justify war with Cuba? No, neither Hanjour nor any other Muslim suicide pilot was at the controls of this plane. It had been fitted with Global Hawk technology and was being remotely controlled.

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And the cat came back.....the very next day.....
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Yes, because the links were important.

Earlier, I was posting my new find of a non-lens-flare (possibly parhelion???) video maybe of Planet X. At that point I noticed the issue of the "arc" and replied. I read nothing else.

Then I realized the guy who asked about HANI HANJOUR got not the most relavant info from me, for that particular topic about the planes. -- I was in such a hurry, so I just compiled some other good stuff ... other info on how the flights couldn't have happened.

So I posted something else just now.

But, having checked that the bolding went through right on the Hani Hanjour material, I noticed your comment. You got lucky: I am replying to you.

I am not reading anything else.

Bye ... unless I find something else on Nibiru.
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Re. the comment above about Global Hawk technology:

I don't buy that, but the writer about the article did.

The reason I don't buy that is that some witnesses say the plane swerved (and other things are impossible, like the lampposts and the hole, lack of debris in the beginning, no scratch on the lawn, ground effect (lift), etc.
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I am not reading anything else.
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And how is that going to be any different than what she's been doing?

Bye ... unless I find something else on Nibiru.
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Funny how she doesn't believe any of the 9/11 images are real but she's posting an old, long debunked "second sun" youtube video without any scrutiny whatsoever.

So much for the expert image analysis of the No Planer/No Brainers.
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Meet Ace Suicide Pilot Hani Hanjour

Marcel Bernard, the chief flight instructor at the airport, said...-
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"Hanjour did have his commercial pilot's license and showed them his log book which cataloged over 600 hours of flying experience.[25] However, due to concern with his piloting skills, as well as the fact that Hanjour refused to provide an address and phone number (a standard part of the plane rental application), they declined his request to rent an aircraft.[19]

Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said [Marcel] Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it."[25]

[link to www.debunk911myths.org]
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Now, check this out: this is a Russia Nibiru video (seemingly) and it DOES tip the camera and NO SHIFT OCCURS.

Thus, not lens flare?

[link to www.youtube.com]


I have also heard that in some places in Russia there are billboards warning people of Nibiru/Planet X.
 Quoting: mclarek 1004307


You actually think that if that was actually visible that it would be ONLY visible in Russia? Damn, how stupid can you be?

It's clearly a reflection from multiple panes of glass.
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I am not reading anything else.


And how is that going to be any different than what she's been doing?


Bye ... unless I find something else on Nibiru.




Funny how she doesn't believe any of the 9/11 images are real but she's posting an old, long debunked "second sun" youtube video without any scrutiny whatsoever.

So much for the expert image analysis of the No Planer/No Brainers.
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This is HILARIOUS!!!!!

Typical idiot Clunk!
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Now, check this out: this is a Russia Nibiru video (seemingly) and it DOES tip the camera and NO SHIFT OCCURS.

Thus, not lens flare?

[link to www.youtube.com]


I have also heard that in some places in Russia there are billboards warning people of Nibiru/Planet X.


You actually think that if that was actually visible that it would be ONLY visible in Russia? Damn, how stupid can you be?


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Of course, it could be visible, only in Russia.

jumpy


It has to do with the parallax differential between, the NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN ECLIPTIC but only, as experienced in diffuse modalities. headbang

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Now and for the next couple of years is a good time for some more Applewhites to surface. Just start your own nibirutard ranch somewhere, offer to castrate the males to hopelessly ratify their beliefs, and just wait it out. You have plenty of time to orchestrate your white lie and continue the farce.


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I wonder if the lone survivor of the Applewhite crowd wants his dick back? I wonder if he looks on ebay for a suitable stand-in. Sorry, couldn't resist the pun.


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OVerview of the flight problem:

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Not a 911 thread.

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