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Menow
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Also on same page:

[link to zetatalk.com]

In time, our statement on this matter will be proven correct. But for the present, the 2012 crowd can sell their books and videos and strut about on stage.
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Still same page:

[link to zetatalk.com]

Last week the Zetas admitted they erred in guessing that the "6" would come by the end of the 2008 calendar year. Can they explain how this "mistake" came to be made, and why we shouldn't believe they may have made a similar mistake about the 2012 calendar year?


There is a broad difference between predicting the impact of an uptick in Earth changes, sociological changes, economic downturn, and weather irregularities during the course of a 9 month period and our general statement about 2012. We are currently starting 2009, which leaves the possibility of the pole shift potentially not occurring for 3 years. Or perhaps it will only be 6 months or so. It's a matter of being able to hit a broad target or needing to hit a narrow target. The statement "prior to 2012" only requires us to aim at a broad target. However, the statement "by the end of 2008" is a narrow window.
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Trying to find the earlies reference to the "Before 2012" claim. This from August 23, 2008


[link to www.zetatalk.com]

The Zetas said that the pole shift will happen before 2012. Is the long count Mayan calendar pointing out to when the next passage of Planet X and pole shift will happen? But humans just miscalculated the date? If not, is there anything significant about 2012?


2012 was a miscalculation, as we have detailed. In their attempts to align the Gregorian and Mayan calendars, they failed at the start, setting off on the wrong foot. We have stated that the pole shift will occur before 2012.
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March 9, 2008:

This is under the heading "Planet X disinfo"

The YOWUSA website, which espouses the 2012 date for the passage, went wild with speculation on the matter.
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[link to www.zetatalk.com]

written September 29, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

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2012 is the approved date, as time-wise it is so far out and everyone mentions the Mayan calendar without going into detail as to how the date was derived, which was a guess.
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The ZetaTalk Newsletter
Issue 38, Sunday August 26, 2007

We have stated that 2012 is not the date,that the pole shift will occur before that year.
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Right at the end of this vid is Nancy affirming the "Zeta" statement that the poleshift will occur before 2012. Maybe someone should preserve this vid somewhere for future reference.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Good catch. Andrew, what do YOU say?
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Don't know if we have this one already.



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written Jun 23, 2007 on the live GodlikeProduction live chat.

2012 is not the date, as we have stated, as the Mayan calendar was not lined up correctly with the Gregorian. The pole shift will happen sooner than 2012.
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written December 29, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

There will be one pole shift, and it will not occur in 2012, but earlier than this date.
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Here is where the equivocation on the "Before 2012" claim began:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


How come during your august 27th Earth Frenzy radio show as a guest. How come when the interviewer asked, you, now Nancy does this mean that Planet X will pass before 2012, and you stated before or after 2012 and not during 2012 which you previously stated that the shift would occur before 2012?

We have explained this during prior chats. We made the statement that the pole shift would occur prior to 2012, but when pressed admitted that this statement was a breach of our rules, which was to give no indication of the date, and that this statement would thus be suspect and perhaps another White Lie to get the public to move in their preparations. We admitted the possibility. Thus, you should assume no date clue from us whatsoever. Could be any year. We stated the pole shift would occur at the end of a magnetic trimester, either the end of an April, an August, or a December. We are not saying which, nor are we saying which year.
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Repost with date:

Here is where the equivocation on the "Before 2012" claim began:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
written December 12, 2009 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.


How come during your august 27th Earth Frenzy radio show as a guest. How come when the interviewer asked, you, now Nancy does this mean that Planet X will pass before 2012, and you stated before or after 2012 and not during 2012 which you previously stated that the shift would occur before 2012?

"We have explained this during prior chats. We made the statement that the pole shift would occur prior to 2012, but when pressed admitted that this statement was a breach of our rules, which was to give no indication of the date, and that this statement would thus be suspect and perhaps another White Lie to get the public to move in their preparations. We admitted the possibility. Thus, you should assume no date clue from us whatsoever. Could be any year. We stated the pole shift would occur at the end of a magnetic trimester, either the end of an April, an August, or a December. We are not saying which, nor are we saying which year."
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Andrew, just look at the original picture which is linked to here...

[link to www.livingbeing.com]

It is an OBVIOUS Photoshop job.

And it's PHOTOSHOP, not Photoshot.

PX...one lie after another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880

Dunno if you haved crossed way with Andrew aka Octoboy aka SirWankALot before ... it is sad, but he is beyone help ... here are a few pearls:

Thread: "Let me express my extreme point of view..."
i wash once a week / two weeks - in winter

i think communism (=socialism) is more just social arrangement

sometimes i DO IT jerkit to myself in bed, letting it go free where and how it does
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Thread: OBAMA is a COMMUNIST!!! WAKE UP!!!!
what's wrong with being a "COMMUNIST NATION"?
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And yes ... he actually does beleive that we evil STS will end up on a waterworld-prison-planet as Octopus (Its buried in the glorious 700 pages of this very thread here).

Here is a picture of our favorite Zetatalk-Posterchild:
[link to s707.photobucket.com]
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Maybe someone should preserve this vid somewhere for future reference.
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Done.
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A better pic:

[link to s707.photobucket.com]
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Here is where the equivocation on the "Before 2012" claim began:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


How come during your august 27th Earth Frenzy radio show as a guest. How come when the interviewer asked, you, now Nancy does this mean that Planet X will pass before 2012, and you stated before or after 2012 and not during 2012 which you previously stated that the shift would occur before 2012?

We have explained this during prior chats. We made the statement that the pole shift would occur prior to 2012, but when pressed admitted that this statement was a breach of our rules, which was to give no indication of the date, and that this statement would thus be suspect and perhaps another White Lie to get the public to move in their preparations. We admitted the possibility. Thus, you should assume no date clue from us whatsoever. Could be any year. We stated the pole shift would occur at the end of a magnetic trimester, either the end of an April, an August, or a December. We are not saying which, nor are we saying which year.
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Interesting. How can there be "trimesters" defined as being at the ends of specific months if we're supposed to be stalled and no longer orbiting the sun?
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In case he complains about me postng his pics here ... it's info that is put by him here on GLP:

Thread: Hi, i am Andrew, 23, from Ukraine!
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Another one, but don't know if we already have it:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

written September 15, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.


"As anyone following the current book topics and guests for radio shows has gathered, 2012 is the date of choice. We have explained that this date is not when the Mayan calendar ends, for many reasons. It is simply a guess. The pole shift will happen before this date."
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Earliest so far:

[link to www.zetatalk3.com]

The ZetaTalk Newsletter
Issue 8, Sunday Jan 28, 2007


"ZetaTalk Answer: We have stated that the Mayan Calendar, while correct in and of itself, was not lined up with the Gregorian correctly. It is a guess by those who arrived at the popular 2012 date, not a certainty. The Mayans had 3 calendars, one astrological which could be lined up with the Gregorian as there are hook points where, for instance, planets lined up or an eclipse might occur. However, there is no link between this calendar and the other two. One, a 260 day calendar, is a ceremonial calendar, and since some descendants are today practicing according to this calendar, it was assumed it would be linked back through the centuries. Not true, as pole shifts cause disruption in communities, who later try to resume their former ceremonies and strike out at a likely time in doing so. The third calendar is the long calendar, and this is the one ending at the assumed 2012 date. There was a glyph on a wooden arch, carbon dated which in itself is a guess, showing a presumed relationship between the ceremonial and long calendar. This relationship itself is a guess, but based on this guess, and the current 260 day calendar, which was reset by survivors in the past, the assumption of 2012 was made. We have stated that the pole shift will occur prior to this date."
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There are no references earlier in the Zeta Newsletters than that Issue 8, Sunday Jan 28, 2007 to "2012". However, that one still implies that the origin of the claim was even earlier. Don't know where to look for it further. Maybe it was in a vid? If those are dated, maybe someone can take over the search for me. I'm tired of it for now.
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Here is where the equivocation on the "Before 2012" claim began:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


How come during your august 27th Earth Frenzy radio show as a guest. How come when the interviewer asked, you, now Nancy does this mean that Planet X will pass before 2012, and you stated before or after 2012 and not during 2012 which you previously stated that the shift would occur before 2012?

We have explained this during prior chats. We made the statement that the pole shift would occur prior to 2012, but when pressed admitted that this statement was a breach of our rules, which was to give no indication of the date, and that this statement would thus be suspect and perhaps another White Lie to get the public to move in their preparations. We admitted the possibility. Thus, you should assume no date clue from us whatsoever. Could be any year. We stated the pole shift would occur at the end of a magnetic trimester, either the end of an April, an August, or a December. We are not saying which, nor are we saying which year.



Interesting. How can there be "trimesters" defined as being at the ends of specific months if we're supposed to be stalled and no longer orbiting the sun?
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I think it may have to do with the "sweeping arms" of the Sun. If you haven't read about that before, do so. It's good for a real belly laugh!
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Trying to find the earlies reference to the "Before 2012" claim. This from August 23, 2008


[link to www.zetatalk.com]

The Zetas said that the pole shift will happen before 2012. Is the long count Mayan calendar pointing out to when the next passage of Planet X and pole shift will happen? But humans just miscalculated the date? If not, is there anything significant about 2012?


2012 was a miscalculation, as we have detailed. In their attempts to align the Gregorian and Mayan calendars, they failed at the start, setting off on the wrong foot. We have stated that the pole shift will occur before 2012.
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2012 has not arrived yet and pole shift did not happen yet... or fail to happen yet.

why are you acting as it is a fact that it failed? absolutely NO basis for such confidence

and yes, 2012 was a miscalculation (Goodman-Martinez-Thompson correlation), it is a guess, a debate among archaeologists.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and furthermore, the exact date of the last Passage cannot ever be known, because after the pole shift time keeping, record keeping, is disrupted. there are "holes" in known historical timeline, missing centuries here and there.

Eg, Santorini explosion apparently happened a CENTURY earlier, which makes a need to rewrite history of the Mediterranean.

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

It means, among other things, that Bronz Age collapse was coincidental with the last pole shift

have a nice day!

hf
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Here is a picture of our favorite Zetatalk-Posterchild:
[link to s707.photobucket.com]
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little f***tard!

you spying on me?! i just added it few hours ago!
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Here is the origin, in the GLP chat, of that earliest Zeta Newsletter reference to the 2012 date. Nancy's GLP archive page doesn't seem to cite an earlier GLP chat reference, so it must have originally been said somewhere else. It has to be in one of Nancy's vids, I suppose.


[link to www.zetatalk.com]
written Jan 20, 2007 on the live GodlikeProduction live chat.

Some say the Gregorian Calendar (our present day calendar) could be 5-6 years off and the correct date now is close to 2012 . Would the Zeta's please comment on this issue ?


"We have stated that the Mayan Calendar, while correct in and of itself, was not lined up with the Gregorian correctly. It is a guess by those who arrived at the popular 2012 date, not a certainty. The Mayans had 3 calendars, one astrological which could be lined up with the Gregorian as there are hook points where, for instance, planets lined up or an eclipse might occur. However, there is no link between this calendar and the other two. One, a 260 day calendar, is a ceremonial calendar, and since some descendants are today practicing according to this calendar, it was assumed it would be linked back through the centuries. Not true, as pole shifts cause disruption in communities, who later try to resume their former ceremonies and strike out at a likely time in doing so. If after the coming pole shift some want to celebrate Christmas, they would likely chose a date close to the Winter soltice, as best they could determine this, for instance. The third calendar is the long calendar, and this is the one ending at the assumed 2012 date. There was a glyph on a wooden arch, carbon dated which in itself is a guess, showing a presumed relationship between the ceremonial and long calendar. This relationship itself is a guess, but based on this guess, and the current 260 day calendar, which was reset by survivors in the past, the assumption of 2012 was made. We have stated that the pole shift will occur prior to this date."
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Another one, but don't know if we already have it:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

written September 15, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.


"As anyone following the current book topics and guests for radio shows has gathered, 2012 is the date of choice. We have explained that this date is not when the Mayan calendar ends, for many reasons. It is simply a guess. The pole shift will happen before this date."
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It would be good to compile all of these references on one posting so we can have it to post as 2012 draws near.
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little f***tard!

you spying on me?! i just added it few hours ago!
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lol ... as I posted before you had a thread over a year ago with links to your photo-website ... I wanted to post a picture of you here and found and the one I posted was the one that came up when I clicked on the old links in YOUR thread here:

Thread: Hi, i am Andrew, 23, from Ukraine!

Dude, if you do not want the people here to see how you look like you should not post your damn pics here on GLP in the first place ... now you accuse me of spying on you ? Are you so retarded that you cannot even remember what you posted on GLP 2 years ago (sorry, I have a photographic memory ... I still know that you plant topinampur and jerk of in your bedsheets ... I cannot help remembering everything I see and read, sorry, do you expect me to blow out my brains to get rid of a fabulous memory ? Sorry if you're not that good with remembering what you posted here on GLP: your pictures)
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I think I found it. It wasn't in Nancy's summary, but I went through the links in her archives and there it was, on the June 3rd chat. This appears to be the original claim of "Before 2012".

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
written June 3, 2006 on the live GodlikeProduction Radio show.

I have read today on GLP of a recent archaeological find in Peru. It appears to be a calendar. But it appears to be megalithic in nature, like Stonehenge. Is this something that may be significant concerning the passage of Nibiru?

"This is indeed similar to Stonehenge. Why would Britain be the only place of interest to these aliens that built Stonehenge? It has a similar date; it has a similar purpose to Stonehenge and not at all a calendar. If you're looking for the calendars that relate to the passage of Nibiru, a.k.a. Planet X, that would be the Mayan calendar although it was started on the wrong date and therefore does not arrive in 2012 as is anticipated. The pole shift will happen before 2012. Other calendars have not yet been discovered nor will they be by man, being well buried under the Earth and not even in folklore or in archaeological lore as to where to go find it."
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Trying to find the earlies reference to the "Before 2012" claim. This from August 23, 2008


[link to www.zetatalk.com]

The Zetas said that the pole shift will happen before 2012. Is the long count Mayan calendar pointing out to when the next passage of Planet X and pole shift will happen? But humans just miscalculated the date? If not, is there anything significant about 2012?


2012 was a miscalculation, as we have detailed. In their attempts to align the Gregorian and Mayan calendars, they failed at the start, setting off on the wrong foot. We have stated that the pole shift will occur before 2012.


2012 has not arrived yet and pole shift did not happen yet... or fail to happen yet.

why are you acting as it is a fact that it failed? absolutely NO basis for such confidence
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I'm not acting like any such thing. I am confirming that Nancy has made another hard date prediction which she will have to wiggle out of. I'm perfectly willing to wait, but will YOU accept it if Nancy tries to back out of that prediction like she did with the 2003 one?

and yes, 2012 was a miscalculation (Goodman-Martinez-Thompson correlation), it is a guess, a debate among archaeologists.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and furthermore, the exact date of the last Passage cannot ever be known, because after the pole shift time keeping, record keeping, is disrupted. there are "holes" in known historical timeline, missing centuries here and there.
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Cannot be known by Man, or by "Zetas"? It is "Zetas" who made that prediction, Andrew.

Eg, Santorini explosion apparently happened a CENTURY earlier, which makes a need to rewrite history of the Mediterranean.

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

It means, among other things, that Bronz Age collapse was coincidental with the last pole shift

have a nice day!

hf
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Are you running away so you don't have to read my response?
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Another one, but don't know if we already have it:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

written September 15, 2007 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.


"As anyone following the current book topics and guests for radio shows has gathered, 2012 is the date of choice. We have explained that this date is not when the Mayan calendar ends, for many reasons. It is simply a guess. The pole shift will happen before this date."


It would be good to compile all of these references on one posting so we can have it to post as 2012 draws near.
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Please do. I have other things to do now.
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So, in summary, "Zetas" claimed, starting on June 3, 2006, and many times from then until somewhere around mid-late 2009, that the pole shift would take place "BEFORE 2012".

That's three years, Andrew. Three YEARS of repeating that prediction/claim! Were "Zetas" (white)lying over and over AGAIN, Andrew?
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Guess we wont need to post the blogs here ... we all know where to look at if we want to see some tards in action.

I bet it's only a matter of months before LIEDer will be back on GLP anyways.
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Would you guys PLEASE beg her to come back and get her off poleshift ning?

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