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The Lone Ranger (OP)

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Mexcited


Please don't use this smilie. It frustrates me to look at it.
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Good!!!
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Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"2015" is used only because by that date there will be no 'element of doubt' remaining.
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Always sliding that date forward. Sounds like a project I worked on a few years ago at a defense contractor...every month the project got shoved forward another month. I think it finally got canceled when the British axed the Nimrod upgrade recently.

Now back to the subject at hand.

First is was 2003.
Then it was "weeks not months"
Then it was 2012 is too far out.
Now you're setting 2015.

What happens when 2015 is around the corner, 2018?
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"2015" is used only because by that date there will be no 'element of doubt' remaining.


Always sliding that date forward. Sounds like a project I worked on a few years ago at a defense contractor...every month the project got shoved forward another month. I think it finally got canceled when the British axed the Nimrod upgrade recently.

Now back to the subject at hand.

First is was 2003.
Then it was "weeks not months"
Then it was 2012 is too far out.
Now you're setting 2015.

What happens when 2015 is around the corner, 2018?
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I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!
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DFSTN

Yes come that time we will have total confirmation of the above reality.

I expect to see a FULL retraction of your FAILED claim made along with a sincere APOLOGY to the posters here on this thread.....nothing less will be accepted.

Loneranger
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I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!


DFSTN

Yes come that time we will have total confirmation of the above reality.

I expect to see a FULL retraction of your FAILED claim made along with a sincere APOLOGY to the posters here on this thread.....nothing less will be accepted.

Loneranger
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


Why wait - I can say "I'm sorry" now!

eh hem ...

I'M SORRY that you lack my advanced discernment skills!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!


DFSTN

Yes come that time we will have total confirmation of the above reality.

I expect to see a FULL retraction of your FAILED claim made along with a sincere APOLOGY to the posters here on this thread.....nothing less will be accepted.

Loneranger


Why wait - I can say "I'm sorry" now!

eh hem ...

I'M SORRY that you lack my advanced discernment skills!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


You only have yourself to blame for your current plight, Melfy. Happy TIPPING POINT fool.

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In a chess or poker match, you never want to betray your strategy to the adversary.

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Then why are you trying to help coverup the true "Zeta" strategy which is to manipulate the unsuspecting; the gullible and the vulnerable among us?

Max, the "Zetas" are nasty, venomous predators and you are attempting to make light of the whole deal. I spent quite a bit of time reading over at Nancy's ning the last couple of days and when you really look closely, you see just how manipulative the whole thing is. I realized that some years ago and that is why I have dedicated so much of my time to debunking Nancy. However, I had forgotten just HOW devious and sneaky and nasty and underhanded are the ways of Nancy Lieder and her "Zetas", which I have always believed are actually some sort of entity who possess her. There is something truly wicked behind Zetatalk. That is my long-considered opinion, and I don't have the respect I would owe a rattlesnake hiding in the grass for you, Maxie, for your attempted support of it, no matter how foolish your little game may seem.

Fuck you Max. Fuck you and the snake you rode in on.
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Then why are you trying to help coverup the true "Zeta" strategy which is to manipulate the unsuspecting; the gullible and the vulnerable among us?

Max, the "Zetas" are nasty, venomous predators and you are attempting to make light of the whole deal. I spent quite a bit of time reading over at Nancy's ning the last couple of days and when you really look closely, you see just how manipulative the whole thing is. I realized that some years ago and that is why I have dedicated so much of my time to debunking Nancy. However, I had forgotten just HOW devious and sneaky and nasty and underhanded are the ways of Nancy Lieder and her "Zetas", which I have always believed are actually some sort of entity who possess her. There is something truly wicked behind Zetatalk. That is my long-considered opinion, and I don't have the respect I would owe a rattlesnake hiding in the grass for you, Maxie, for your attempted support of it, no matter how foolish your little game may seem.

Fuck you Max. Fuck you and the snake you rode in on.
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Totally agree with everything that you said above, Menow.
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What happens when 2015 is around the corner, 2018?


I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


YOU might be, because you believe in bullshit, but nobody else is.
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However, I had forgotten just HOW devious and sneaky and nasty and underhanded are the ways of Nancy Lieder and her "Zetas", which I have always believed are actually some sort of entity who possess her.
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


That's where you start promoting bullshit just like Lieder!
People who believe in 'possession' are just as stupid as those who believe in Planet X.

There are no Zetas. It's just a mental illness Nancy has, coupled to her huge ego.
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who said plate movements caused by warming? *experts* and *scientists* say many weird things, including this - that increased seismicity is due to warming.

[incl. warming that leads to cooling and ice age]

"...increased seismicity is due to warming."

You'll be providing a reference link for that, right?
 Quoting: andrew


Six Volcanoes Erupt Simultaneously in Russia
Sep 21, 2009

Six volcanoes are currently erupting in Kamchatka, a remote region in Eastern Russia. Experts say that volcanic and earthquake activity is increasing worldwide.
Volcanologist Yaroslav Muraviyev says it's been 55 years since the region had experienced much volcanic activity.
Right now, Shiveluch, Koryaksky, Bezymianny, Kliuchevskoi, Karymsky and Gorely are all actively producing plumes and/or erupting.
Muraviyev, Deputy Director of Science, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka Institute, said in an interview with New Tang Dynasty Television, "We have seen two, three, up to five volcanoes erupting simultaneously, but we have six volcanoes erupting this year and it is not just happening here, this is a global trend."
Some scientists are pointing to global warming as the culprit.
Geologists are now gathering data in an attempt to understand how global warming will affect geological activity, reports Naturenews.
They say as the planet warms up, the resulting melted ice won't just raise sea levels, they will also un-cap volcanoes.
Bill McGuire from the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College London said to NatureNews, "Climate change is not just the atmosphere and hydrosphere; it's the geosphere as well."

The Global Volcanism Program doesn't believe there is an increase in volcanic activity. They say that even though their own graphs show an increase over the past 200 years, it is due to increased human interest and reporting. They point to dips or valleys in the graph during WW1 and WW2 where volcanic activity seems to decline. They believe this is due to reporting on issues concerning the war and not reporting on volcanoes.
According to Earthalert there are 17 volcano reports along with three alerts in the world today.
In the last 30 days there have been 293 earthquakes registering 4.0 on the Richter scale or higher. Ten of the quakes registered over 6.0.
A USGS graph shows a definite increase in deadly and destructive geological activity over the last hundred years. The graph shows earthquakes registering between 6 and 8 on the Richter scale.
The earthquake strength and frequency appears to pick up around 1915 gradually increasing over the mid to late 20th century with a huge spike over the last 10-15 years.

[link to www.digitaljournal.com]

and also:

[link to www.bukisa.com]

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]

[link to www.globalwarmingcause.net]
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Good point. If the Zetas didn't tinker to make things look normal and if Nancy was right about the earth being stopped in orbit since 2003, there would be no denying it. We would all notice that the seasons were wrong and that the same constellations were visible all the time while others would never be visible. People would notice. If anyone is covering up anything it is the Zetas. I know the dumbfuckistonians will trot out the "element of doubt" excuse to justify their meddling, but that is even lamer. Why would the Zetas come all this way to warn us and then cover up that thing they are warning us about so that we doubt the veracity of their warning? Doesn't make sense. But of course, I am humoring Max by supposing any of this is true. Truth is, the earth is not stopped in orbit now, nor has it been in my lifetime. The seasons and the constellations are as we would expect this time of year, the Zetas are not moving the planets and stars to simulate anything, because they do not exist outside Nancy's imagination which has been fueled by Betty and Barney Hill and B Movies from the 50s and 60s.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Inuit and millions other people around the world dont agree with you.

Film Festival Brings Inuit Perspective to Climate Conference
December 9, 2009

[link to www.cbc.ca]
A festival of films documenting the impact of climate change by Indigenous filmmakers from around the world opened Wednesday in Copenhagen in conjunction with the United Nations climate conference currently underway. The UN-sponsored Indigenous Voices on Climate Change Film Festival will screen 22 short documentary films by filmmakers from Tajikistan, Panama and other areas affected by climate change. One of the filmmakers featured is Canadian Inuit filmmaker Zacharias Kunuk, who produced and directed the critically acclaimed films Ataranjuat and The Journals of Knud Rasmussen. He will screen a 15-minute portion of his new film, Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change.


Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change: The official trailer
Oct. 19, 2010

[link to www.theglobeandmail.com]
The trailer for "Inuit Knowledge and Climate Change", the new documentary by acclaimed Nunavut filmmaker Zacharias Kunuk


Huge Media Blackout Regarding Earth and Moon Orbital Changes?
October 20, 2010

[link to beforeitsnews.com]
An increasing number of people around the world have witnessed amazing changes in the location of Sun rise and set in summer and winter. Apparently this is being caused by the earth moving below the old ecliptic plane in summer and above it in winter! The moon is also playing rodeo all over the sky....and the media says nothing. I have read of reports (as yet unsubstantiated) that a "gag order" is in place and professionals dealing with the subject have had to sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these facts. The Inuit peoples of the high arctic have published several stories regarding the changes in sun position at their locations and were told by a meteorologist that it is an "optical phenomenon unique to the extremely high horizon". Yet these changes are visible all over the world. Ordinary citizens from all over the world are reporting their observations regarding the sun and moon changing their positions in the sky. And we're not just talking inches here. The changes are amazing to say the least! The furthest north the sun traditionally appeared for thousands of years, was the tropic of cancer which passes through central Mexico, yet now, at the beginning of summer, it can be witnessed to rise in the direction of Maine and set in the direction of Seattle. And according to the universities, the highest latitude that the moon reaches, is 28.5 degrees, yet for the last couple years at least, it has transgressed that number by a significant margin! One can watch the moon rise low in the south east and set in the southwest, at least from my position at 41 degrees north in the midwest U.S. and then, within two weeks time, it will rise high in the northeast and set in the northwest!
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If the Zeta's unilaterally end the cover-up, it would constitute an illegal breach of the non-interference mandate that governs them.

That's bullshit. By them covering it up...they are interfering.
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Non-Interference doesnt imply NO interference at all.

it means no interference with man's free will to interact with one other and have spiritual lessons from that.

they can and do influence us.
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[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We, as the source of this information, can only respond to questions considered to be The Call, and cannot for instance give warnings of coming storms or quakes, though we can address in general the likely earth changes. To do otherwise, as we have explained, is to interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations.

There it is. "The pole shift, and all change leading up to it,..."


How is tilting Earth to simulate the seasons NOT interfering with the CHANGE leading up to the pole shift?

Good point. I'll have to continue reading to see how Andrew and Max wiggled out of this.
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THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!
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Also, especially in India where children who talk about having lived before are not ignored by adults, it has been shown on shows such as 60 minutes that a young child of five or six knew where a buried box with cash was located in his "former home".

Link, please.

I also cannot help but notice you carefully ignored my earlier reply to you, again. Why is that?

[link to reluctant-messenger.com]

No....that's a kOOk web site.

We want REAL SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

There is a BIG difference!

You ONLY believe kOOk crap.
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no, that's real evidence,
facts, "raw data".

if that's your "scientific methodology", science is dead:
"By one account, being able to tell science apart from "pseudo-science, such as astrology, quackery, the occult, and superstition"[3][4] is part of gaining scientific literacy. "
[ - quote from Wiki article on Pseudoscience. It was snipped sometime this week - good i was quick to save that page].

...

no sir, you are kOOk crap.
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btw, there was some kind of "purge" on Wiki lately - lots of stuff "disappeared", and all of which made "conventional" science look for what it is - not very good.

luckily, i have it saved on my home HDD.

but that's no wonder - considering what Wiki is - a Bible of contemporary academic consensus knowledge, "approved knowledge",

and that it is run by "jesuits" of science, not unlike sick bastards here in this thread.

Lloyd Pye is right about Wikipedia.
Its only value is for knowing what is the establishment official take on misc subjects. establishment pouthpiece.
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This is PRECISELY how the world remained "FLAT" for centuries, in spite of copious amounts of evidence to the contrary.


"Researchers who believe in the evidence for reincarnation have been unsuccessful in getting the scientific community to consider it a serious possibility.[78]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

ZetaMax fails dismally once again. Just like Nancy, you are ADDICTED TO FAIL!!!

You start from your beliefs then work backwards, distorting all evidence to fit your preconceived delusion. This is standard pseudo-science/kOOkery.

You are anti-science because it is rational, and you have already shown a complete disregard for rational thought.

Worse, you are a compulsive liar.
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my oh my...

it seems that progressive and *positive* authority of science [which it used to be in the Middle Ages up untill mid of XX century] has been finally and irreversibly hijacked by TPTB and their like.

where do the Flat Earthers and mad Catholics went? they moved ito "Science" apartament!
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There is no credible evidence that supports reincarnation, which is why no reputable scientist believes in it.

You are a liar. You simply deny reality.


Oh I see. We have VERIFIABLE, REPEATABLE, CHRONOLOGICAL, TESTABLE and extremely CONSISTENT evidence that "fails" because it otherwise is "somehow" not credible???

Pray tell, what independent and objective FACTORS are used to make that determination?

SPECIFICS please - not vague generalities!!!


"Researchers who believe in the evidence for reincarnation have been unsuccessful in getting the scientific community to consider it a serious possibility.[78]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It is not considered a serious possibility by most scientists because the evidence is not of sufficient quality and there are major doubts about the credibility of those who claim it exists.

Furthermore the existence of a soul has not been demonstrated, so there seems to be nothing to reincarnate!

You are a compulsive bullshitter. Nothing you write is correct.
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"the existence of a soul has not been demonstrated"

by whom?
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This is really for Max:

There are some things that you can't verify. Like once, several years ago, I was staying at my parent's house. I had this horrible nightmare one night, that one of my two front teeth were missing. It was awful, I felt like a redneck hillbilly and was trying to hide it from everyone. It was a really vivid, embarrassing, emotional dream. When I woke up, the first thing I did was run to the mirror and make sure I had my front tooth. I did and thought, "whoo, what a nightmare! Glad that's over."

Then I went to the kitchen for breakfast. My mom was there, having her morning coffee. When she spoke, I noticed something was wrong with her teeth. One of her two front teeth was missing. I got chills and asked her what happened. She said she bit it off on a piece of food the night before. It was no big deal, she got it fixed that afternoon at the dentist. But I had arrived home from work very late the night she bit it off, like eleven, and she was already in bed. I hadn't spoke to her all afternoon or evening.

I can't believe this was a coincidence. But I don't know exactly what to make of it, either. You can't take something like this and make up a bunch of dopey theories about it. It was what it was. Obviously, a part of me knew what happened to my mom even though I didn't consciously know. So what, it doesn't prove reincarnation or souls or anything. We are still very primitive, we can't even get along! We don't know what's going on in our own bodies unless we cut another one open! If your own conscious mind doesn't know what's going on inside its own body, how is it supposed to interpret reality outside of it with any accuracy?

There is no proof for what happened other than my word it did. So I know it happened but it was not scientifically explainable or even provable to anyone else. But what does it prove? We don't know enough about consciousness or reality to even really guess!

All these so called scientific studies about consciousness are still in the beginning phases and that means they don't have a clue. You can't measure consciousness, you can't even define it properly. So how can you possibly come to any kind of conclusions about something supposedly involving consciousness? You can't - the thing you are using to evaluate the consciousness is consciousness, itself. We have a long ways to go to understand, we aren't ready. Imagine trying to teach a caveman to drive a car. He's simply not ready. First thing he's probably going to do is vomit all over it. Then pee his loin cloth, if he wears one.

The brain likes to find patterns, order and make sense of things. So that's why people hold on to dorky belief systems. It's scary to be truly open-minded. I don't mind it, I think it's a fun ride.
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you debunkers never stop to give me good laughs!

"We don't know enough about consciousness or reality to even really guess! " - hillarious as it may get!

then, we cant, simply have no moral right, to make assumptions what theory is right or wrong.
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The lack of confidence individuals have in their own powers of observation when those observations run counter to "consensus" is truly breathtaking.
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couldnt agree more!

see [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Oh, and lest I forget: The Zetas actively killed astronauts when they blew up Columbia. Or so Nancy claims.

It was for the "greater good".

Greater good? There was no greater good in the Columbia accident.

I'd love to see how you spin a tragedy into being for the greater good and don't give me that shit that they were supposedly carrying back secret information about planet eX.
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they want to escape Earth - to avoid poleshift, and leave the rest of humanity behind - that has been their goal since the start of space era. it is well disguised as "space exploration".

but, fortunately, Universe doesnt operate like humans imagine.

those astronaut's handlers, in charge of these plans, were warned that they wont succeed with their plans unless they include common man also. they didnt listen. they FAILED.

that's how they [fail] to learn.
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Everything in Zetatalk points to its being a mountain of self-supporting BS which is only believable to those who are predisposed to it.
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the exactly same can be said of Conventional Science (or Wikipedia, etc)
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Yes. How dishonest to come here, tell us through Nancy about the PS and PX, give absolutely no proof, give bad predictions that never come to pass, and then cover up the evidence by moving things around to make it all look normal. Then Nancy expects us to just take her word for it all or she gets nasty. If the Zetas would just STFU and go away, we would all see that things are not right. There would be no denying it and we would be doing what is necessary to face and prepare for it. But no. They prefer to make things seem normal and "get the message out" to the few that will believe a nutty old woman with no proof, no understanding of astronomy or anything else and who communicates through candy with them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the zetas are bad news, meddling in our affairs and contributing to genocide. Of course, the good news is that they really don't exist and Nancy is just making this all up. I don't know how Max can defend the whole thing. It borders on treason against his fellow humans on planet earth.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


OMFG!!
couldnt get more hillarious!

"treason of fellow humans..."

yeah, those "fellow humans" that exploit us in every possible way, that look down on us as a commodity, that send us to wars that have no other reason than their wealth / power games, those "fellow humans" that dont give a damn about the vast majority of Earth's humanity.

no thanks. i chose to ally with space aliens!
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I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!
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And when that comes and goes with no catastrophe, then what?
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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I'M SORRY that you lack my advanced discernment skills!!
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BA HA HA HA! HEE HEE!

Just when you thought Max didn't have a sense of humor.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Nice to Andrew stopped by to grace us with his ignorance. He's obviously a lost cause and will continue to support Nancy no matter how many times she's proven wrong and no matter how many times "Planet X" fails to show up.
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THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!
 Quoting: andrew

No? Free will is useless if the person choosing is being systematically deceived about the conditions and the options available. It's like humanity is trying to buy a used car, and the Zetas are the sleazy salesman painting over all the rust on an old lemon making it look much better than it is. By deceiving us they ARE interfering with our free will, and millions will die because of it. What gives them the right?
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Good point. Where's the free will when man's decisions are being influenced by devious aliens who say a big, bad, rogue planet is coming to cause a "pole shift" but then do everything they can to hide it?

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[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We, as the source of this information, can only respond to questions considered to be The Call, and cannot for instance give warnings of coming storms or quakes, though we can address in general the likely earth changes. To do otherwise, as we have explained, is to interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations.

There it is. "The pole shift, and all change leading up to it,..."


How is tilting Earth to simulate the seasons NOT interfering with the CHANGE leading up to the pole shift?

Good point. I'll have to continue reading to see how Andrew and Max wiggled out of this.


THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!
 Quoting: andrew


No one said it interferes with free will. That is not the point of the "Zeta" statement. What part of "...all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence..." aren't you allowing yourself to understand?
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whatever they do to the skies (planet), we are still free to interact with each other, make moral choices, decide, take action in our little "playpen" - world we live in.

moving planet doesnt affect kids (humans) squabbling about on its surface.

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