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No we don't have to assume that. Planet X /The Zetas/ The Council of Worlds are ALL bullshit. None of them exist (unless you can PROVE me wrong).

Unless you can produce EVIDENCE that any of those things exist it is prudent to assume that they do not exist, since none of them make any sense.

Planet X is impossible, for many reasons. The Zetas are either the dumbest aliens ever, or they are made up by Nancy. Likewise the Council of Worlds.
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it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.
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Scientific truths can be verified/proven. ZetaTalk is crap that cannot be verified/proven because it is bullshit believed in by a handful of retards.

how can scientific "truths" [such as hypothetical Ice Age] be proven, other than a link to Wikipedia?

By research, experimentation and investigation. Things that when applied to Planet X prove it to not exist.


such scientific "facts" as Magnetic Reversal, Ice Age, etc and nonexistence of the soul ("the existence of a soul has not been demonstrated"), cannot be verified... other than citing Wiki or some smart-ass pr*ck who deems himself competent enough to prove or disprove such issues only by his WORD. [and it doesnt matter who that pr*ck might be - a plumber or high rank scientist]
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The truth is, you hate science because you do not GET it!

You are too stupid and ignorant to even understand the basics.

That is why you hate 'the debunkers' so much - classic inferiority complex.

If you understood even a little basic science you would know why ZetaTalk is bullshit, but you don't, so you are fodder for Nancy's scam.
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of course, but considered BY WHO?

there is no "higher" entity to which Council of the Worlds reports, and whos rule it may have broken.

iow, it is considered by them, themselves.
they set up those rules.

and they arrange Exceptions, sometimes when needed
this is an Exception from the Rules


The Council of Worlds is just another bit of Nancy's bullshit delusion. It does not exist. Your ridiculous aliens do not exist. Your imaginary Planet of Doom does not exist.

You live in a world of delusion and childish idiocy.


if we are to discuss this - then we MUST assume for at least time being of this discussion that they do.
otherwise no discussion will be accomplished.

i know its sad, but its ineviatble.
 Quoting: andrew


BINGO! This has been part of the trickery of Zetatalk from the very beginning... to drag people into a discussion based on facts not in evidence. It's like Nancy said way back when, about her images: [paraphrasing]"So we are beyond the argument about whether something has been imaged, and on to a discussion of MAGNITUDE!"

It's about the trickery of getting people to discuss things based on the acceptance of previous lies. This has been the pattern of Zetatalk from the very beginning: Make a claim... declare it proven... build on that... over and over and over again!

PERFECT example, Andrew!
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it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.
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Then why, after 15 years, has NONE of it been verified by any observation?

Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?
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"The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations."

of course, but considered BY WHO?
there is no "higher" entity to which Council of the Worlds reports, and whos rule it may have broken.
iow, it is considered by them, themselves.
they set up those rules.
and they arrange Exceptions, sometimes when needed
this is an Exception from the Rules

So you admit that the rule has been broken?
Fascinating that you unilaterally devise this "out" when "Zetas" have made no such statement about this alleged 'exception'. You have taken another sip of the Koolaid, Andrew, and another step deeper into cult brainwashing. You are now PRE-excusing errors and deception in Zetatalk even BEFORE they are explained away by yet another layer of bullshit has been added to Zetatalk to cover this latest contradiction.
Wow. Just wow...

Ohh... I DARE you to bring up this contradiction to Nancy at the ning. You won't DARE mention it due to the risk of shining the glaring eye of disfavor from the queen leader on yourself. This is the sheer definition of a cult, Andrew.


oh here it is, found it! -
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: andrew


Give us a quote, Andrew. I'm not going to play the game where you shotgun me with Zetatalk and make me try to figure out where your specific point is going.
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ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.
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But you are STUPID Andrew, really STUPID!

That is why ZT works for you - but doesn't for anyone with a brain!
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it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.
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So where is the observation of The Zetas? Where is the observation of Planet X?
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The truth is, you hate science because you do not GET it!

You are too stupid and ignorant to even understand the basics.

That is why you hate 'the debunkers' so much - classic inferiority complex.

If you understood even a little basic science you would know why ZetaTalk is bullshit, but you don't, so you are fodder for Nancy's scam.
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its like saying to someone "you hate this cult so much because you have not been indoctrinated with its worldview and think in alternative concepts".

see my point, you are trying to prove science right by.. another piece of science!

science has become a gospel to be preached.
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science has become a gospel to be preached.
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Once again you show you do not understand the scientific method. This is the root of your problems. This is why you believe bullshit.

Science is NOT a gospel, it is a METHOD for working things out by experimentation and deduction.
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science has become a gospel to be preached.
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Read this, and see if you can grasp it:
[link to teacher.pas.rochester.edu]
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Fuck you Max. I have been around WAAAY more blocks than you can even comprehend in this area. You are NOT my intellectual or spiritual superior or teacher as relates to these matters.


Boy - THAT "Great Lake" of ARROGANCE sums you up better than anything else I've seen you type. DUDE, we all take turns being on both sides of the lectern - and if you're not open to being BOTH teacher and student, and allowing everyone else you encounter access to those positions as well, then you truly are EVERY BIT AS BAD as the forces you profess to be fighting.

"Wisdom" - from the mouth of a fool ... is WHAT???

Isn't it "WISDOM"???

Don't you think there's an "ultimate" truth somewhere? If you insist that it's delivered to you ONLY via "worthy" channels, then you're a MUCH bigger fool than you even think **I** am!

Think about it ...


Read what I wrote you insipid goon. YOU are the one trying to preach things YOU feel I don't know. I didn't say I can't learn things from ANYONE. I simply said that the things YOU imply I haven't considered are, well, laughable! Get a fucking clue.
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You may have "considered" - but you haven't "shared". As far as getting "a fucking clue" - just what do you think the whole point of my "game" (as you put it) is anyway?

I'll give YOU a clue - it's my way of GETTING a clue.

I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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I'm not afraid of looking like a fool,


That's good, because you certainly do.
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It's not "all" bad.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

ZetaMax
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I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


So your stupidity has solidified eh?

'Head in the sand' mentality.
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I'm not afraid of looking like a fool,


That's good, because you certainly do.


It's not "all" bad.
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Unlike your mind.
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of course, but considered BY WHO?

there is no "higher" entity to which Council of the Worlds reports, and whos rule it may have broken.

iow, it is considered by them, themselves.
they set up those rules.

and they arrange Exceptions, sometimes when needed
this is an Exception from the Rules


The Council of Worlds is just another bit of Nancy's bullshit delusion. It does not exist. Your ridiculous aliens do not exist. Your imaginary Planet of Doom does not exist.

You live in a world of delusion and childish idiocy.


if we are to discuss this - then we MUST assume for at least time being of this discussion that they do.
otherwise no discussion will be accomplished.

i know its sad, but its ineviatble.


BINGO! This has been part of the trickery of Zetatalk from the very beginning... to drag people into a discussion based on facts not in evidence. It's like Nancy said way back when, about her images: [paraphrasing]"So we are beyond the argument about whether something has been imaged, and on to a discussion of MAGNITUDE!"

It's about the trickery of getting people to discuss things based on the acceptance of previous lies. This has been the pattern of Zetatalk from the very beginning: Make a claim... declare it proven... build on that... over and over and over again!

PERFECT example, Andrew!
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


then why discuss Rules of Non-Interference if he knows they do not exist? he doesnt believe ZT, i do. so he asks me a Q about those Rules, its essentially like saying, translation: "Lets assume for a brief second that it is real, then...".

I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things. no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.
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"exceptions can occur. The results of the vote are not to be tipped, and situations that would include the outcome to be other than the vote do receive interference. "

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: andrew


Thank you. Now... the BASIC alleged tenant of the entire poleshift event is spelled out in that quote I gave. The ENTIRITY of the poleshift experience it stated to be GOOD FOR MANKIND in this alleged decision-making process. That is the excuse CONSTANTLY cited by you and others and even "Zetas" for why they cannot be expected to intervene and stop the poleshift from taking place. THEN, on top of that, you decide that this 'exception' exists which flies DIRECTLY in the face of all of that. This is not some unexpected side-event, Andrew. This is part-and-parcel of the MAIN reason which is stated as the very CORE purpose of the struggle of mankind to deal with the physical events of the poleshift AND ALL CHANGE LEADING UP TO IT. But now you suggest that those very events could run COUNTER to the very purpose for which they are stated to serve? How utterly miopic of you, Andrew. How utterly cult-serving and disingenuous of you, Andrew, to devise this 'excuse' and torture it into making sense to you because the alternative is something you cannot bear to entertain.
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it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


Then why, after 15 years, has NONE of it been verified by any observation?

Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?
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oh really? why?
who can forbid them?
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I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.


So your stupidity has solidified eh?

'Head in the sand' mentality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1147827


Most of the time, it's uproariously FUNNY! It's a challenge at times to try and elicit from you dudes some of your best insults. For instance, I'm actually PROUD of the fact, that I've inspired The Lone Ranger to make the short films he has. Believe me, NO ONE has laughed at or enjoyed them more than ME. They are ALWAYS a treat.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things. no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.
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So you admit it's pseudo-science then. Good.

It's a 'religious' belief system, unlike science.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong and me right!
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Most of the time, it's uproariously FUNNY!
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YOU always are!
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it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


Then why, after 15 years, has NONE of it been verified by any observation?

Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?


oh really? why?
who can forbid them?
 Quoting: andrew


Gravity.
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ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


But you are STUPID Andrew, really STUPID!

That is why ZT works for you - but doesn't for anyone with a brain!
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umm.., nope! for anyone with a brain ZT works. only for those who use Wikipedia to do thinking for them, it doesnt work.
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ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


But you are STUPID Andrew, really STUPID!

That is why ZT works for you - but doesn't for anyone with a brain!


umm.., nope! for anyone with a brain ZT works. only for those who use Wikipedia to do thinking for them, it doesnt work.
 Quoting: andrew


Then why does nobody believe ZT except for a handful of idiots like you?

Why do NO scientists in the whole world accept it?

Why doesn't ANYONE with a decent scientific education accept it?
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umm.., nope! for anyone with a brain ZT works. only for those who use Wikipedia to do thinking for them, it doesnt work.
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It only 'works' for idiots like you who know nothing about science and who are gullible in the extreme.
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umm.., nope! for anyone with a brain ZT works. only for those who use Wikipedia to do thinking for them, it doesnt work.
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But you said it works for you....and you DON'T have a brain!

QED!

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Most of the time, it's uproariously FUNNY!


YOU always are!
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Actually, I'm GLAD to hear that. Not everyone is you know!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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ZetaMax
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WAY more has occurred to me, clearly, than you are able to imagine, you egocentric goon. I have NOT rejected the concept of the existence of aliens due to anything Nancy Lieder has said. My opinions on that subject are not so fragile as you might imagine.



Your "opinions?" - I'd say they are indeed "fragile" and precisely because you keep them so close to your chest. Of course that way they can't be ATTACKED by every passer-by - as are MINE on a daily basis. The difference between me and you is not I'm not afraid of looking like a fool, and you clearly ARE.

Now, I try not to be an idiot about it all - which is the reason I try and stay as anonymous as possible. I know some folks would try VERY HARD to harm me in terms of my real-life reputation, employment, and other relationships if they knew my actual identity and where abouts - and I'm not saying you would fall into that category. In fact, I be more inclined to trust that you wouldn't, even if given a tempting opportunity - but I can't be "sure", and I'm not willing to risk it. Of course the same holds for YOU as you wouldn't even tell me what CONTINENT you were on when asked. (Of course now I know North America, USA - thanks to Trinity's flags).

So Menow, why are you AFRAID to just let it ALL hang out???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***

I have no agenda to push re: that. I have no need to try to force the discussion in any certain direction. I HAVE offered my personal views when they apply and have consequence to the discussion at hand, as you have already noted. Simple as that.
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Everything in Zetatalk points to its being a mountain of self-supporting BS which is only believable to those who are predisposed to it.


the exactly same can be said of Conventional Science (or Wikipedia, etc)


No it can't. Everything you write confirms you as an idiot.

Scientific truths can be verified/proven. ZetaTalk is crap that cannot be verified/proven because it is bullshit believed in by a handful of retards.


how can scientific "truths" [such as hypothetical Ice Age] be proven, other than a link to Wikipedia?


The WHOLE point of science is that its findings be provable/repeatable/verifiable. No 'faith' is needed.

This is why it is FUNDAMENTALLY different to pseudo-science like Nancy's crap.
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This is what is truly ironic and also hilarious about the followers of Zetatalk and Zetatalk, itself. They TRY to use 'scientific' proofs of the existence of PX, but when those 'proofs' are shot out of the water, they deny that any scientific evidence was ever needed in the first place!

They argue FOR their 'proofs' while, at the same time, disparaging the very IDEA of proofs!
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Scientific truths can be verified/proven. ZetaTalk is crap that cannot be verified/proven because it is bullshit believed in by a handful of retards.

how can scientific "truths" [such as hypothetical Ice Age] be proven, other than a link to Wikipedia?

By research, experimentation and investigation. Things that when applied to Planet X prove it to not exist.


such scientific "facts" as Magnetic Reversal, Ice Age, etc and nonexistence of the soul ("the existence of a soul has not been demonstrated"), cannot be verified... other than citing Wiki or some smart-ass pr*ck who deems himself competent enough to prove or disprove such issues only by his WORD. [and it doesnt matter who that pr*ck might be - a plumber or high rank scientist]
 Quoting: andrew


And yet Youtube vids by anonymous internet idiots are CONSTANTLY cited as hard evidence that PX exists and it on the way to kill millions of people.

Do you even GET the irony of that, Andrew?

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