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No we don't have to assume that. Planet X /The Zetas/ The Council of Worlds are ALL bullshit. None of them exist (unless you can PROVE me wrong).

Unless you can produce EVIDENCE that any of those things exist it is prudent to assume that they do not exist, since none of them make any sense.

Planet X is impossible, for many reasons. The Zetas are either the dumbest aliens ever, or they are made up by Nancy. Likewise the Council of Worlds.


it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.
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Except that all of Nancy's alleged evidence is outright LIES, Andrew. Remember when I told you that PX was NOT imaged at Nancy's coordinates, as she claims? Well, it wasn't. How does that lie affect the rest of her claims? How does the lie that Earth is halted in orbit affect the rest of her claims? You just don't want to think about that, now do you, Andrew?
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The truth is, you hate science because you do not GET it!

You are too stupid and ignorant to even understand the basics.

That is why you hate 'the debunkers' so much - classic inferiority complex.

If you understood even a little basic science you would know why ZetaTalk is bullshit, but you don't, so you are fodder for Nancy's scam.


its like saying to someone "you hate this cult so much because you have not been indoctrinated with its worldview and think in alternative concepts".

see my point, you are trying to prove science right by.. another piece of science!

science has become a gospel to be preached.
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And Nancy's 'science' is different from that, how?
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WAY more has occurred to me, clearly, than you are able to imagine, you egocentric goon. I have NOT rejected the concept of the existence of aliens due to anything Nancy Lieder has said. My opinions on that subject are not so fragile as you might imagine.



Your "opinions?" - I'd say they are indeed "fragile" and precisely because you keep them so close to your chest. Of course that way they can't be ATTACKED by every passer-by - as are MINE on a daily basis. The difference between me and you is not I'm not afraid of looking like a fool, and you clearly ARE.

Now, I try not to be an idiot about it all - which is the reason I try and stay as anonymous as possible. I know some folks would try VERY HARD to harm me in terms of my real-life reputation, employment, and other relationships if they knew my actual identity and where abouts - and I'm not saying you would fall into that category. In fact, I be more inclined to trust that you wouldn't, even if given a tempting opportunity - but I can't be "sure", and I'm not willing to risk it. Of course the same holds for YOU as you wouldn't even tell me what CONTINENT you were on when asked. (Of course now I know North America, USA - thanks to Trinity's flags).

So Menow, why are you AFRAID to just let it ALL hang out???

I have no agenda to push re: that. I have no need to try to force the discussion in any certain direction. I HAVE offered my personal views when they apply and have consequence to the discussion at hand, as you have already noted. Simple as that.
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Heh - we have more in common than you'd like to admit. Seems you're worried about a dust ball in a room swarming with mice, roaches and flies. Nancy's efforts are small potatoes compared with the financial manipulations going on, over-population, the decreasing quality of the food supply, etc. Seems you could be spending more of your time and efforts on "bigger" fish.

Of course the same criticism could be thrown my way, and it would be QUITE deserved. The fact is, I'm here as a way filling time in the lonely and boring "fox hole", or another analogy is the "stake out". I'm doing what I can personally to gather information pertinent to my future, my family's future, OUR collective future. ZetaTalk attracted me initially because of it's attempt to TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER - which I confess I have a weakness for. I like and seek "common threads" that tie together otherwise seemingly disconnected phenomena. Wrong as it may ultimately be, you have to admit, it's a project VERY few have ever attempted to undertake. For that ALONE, my hat is off to Nancy. At the very least it's "interesting" for that reason alone.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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The truth is, you hate science because you do not GET it!

You are too stupid and ignorant to even understand the basics.

That is why you hate 'the debunkers' so much - classic inferiority complex.

If you understood even a little basic science you would know why ZetaTalk is bullshit, but you don't, so you are fodder for Nancy's scam.


its like saying to someone "you hate this cult so much because you have not been indoctrinated with its worldview and think in alternative concepts".

see my point, you are trying to prove science right by.. another piece of science!

science has become a gospel to be preached.
 Quoting: andrew


Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!
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Fuck you Max. I have been around WAAAY more blocks than you can even comprehend in this area. You are NOT my intellectual or spiritual superior or teacher as relates to these matters.


Boy - THAT "Great Lake" of ARROGANCE sums you up better than anything else I've seen you type. DUDE, we all take turns being on both sides of the lectern - and if you're not open to being BOTH teacher and student, and allowing everyone else you encounter access to those positions as well, then you truly are EVERY BIT AS BAD as the forces you profess to be fighting.

"Wisdom" - from the mouth of a fool ... is WHAT???

Isn't it "WISDOM"???

Don't you think there's an "ultimate" truth somewhere? If you insist that it's delivered to you ONLY via "worthy" channels, then you're a MUCH bigger fool than you even think **I** am!

Think about it ...


Read what I wrote you insipid goon. YOU are the one trying to preach things YOU feel I don't know. I didn't say I can't learn things from ANYONE. I simply said that the things YOU imply I haven't considered are, well, laughable! Get a fucking clue.


You may have "considered" - but you haven't "shared". As far as getting "a fucking clue" - just what do you think the whole point of my "game" (as you put it) is anyway?

I'll give YOU a clue - it's my way of GETTING a clue.

I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


I have known these things about you all along, Max, and no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.
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Fuck you Max. I have been around WAAAY more blocks than you can even comprehend in this area. You are NOT my intellectual or spiritual superior or teacher as relates to these matters.


Boy - THAT "Great Lake" of ARROGANCE sums you up better than anything else I've seen you type. DUDE, we all take turns being on both sides of the lectern - and if you're not open to being BOTH teacher and student, and allowing everyone else you encounter access to those positions as well, then you truly are EVERY BIT AS BAD as the forces you profess to be fighting.

"Wisdom" - from the mouth of a fool ... is WHAT???

Isn't it "WISDOM"???

Don't you think there's an "ultimate" truth somewhere? If you insist that it's delivered to you ONLY via "worthy" channels, then you're a MUCH bigger fool than you even think **I** am!

Think about it ...


Read what I wrote you insipid goon. YOU are the one trying to preach things YOU feel I don't know. I didn't say I can't learn things from ANYONE. I simply said that the things YOU imply I haven't considered are, well, laughable! Get a fucking clue.


You may have "considered" - but you haven't "shared". As far as getting "a fucking clue" - just what do you think the whole point of my "game" (as you put it) is anyway?

I'll give YOU a clue - it's my way of GETTING a clue.

I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.


I have known these things about you all along, Max, and no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.
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>> no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.

"I have known these things about you all along, M"enow.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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BINGO! This has been part of the trickery of Zetatalk from the very beginning... to drag people into a discussion based on facts not in evidence. It's like Nancy said way back when, about her images: [paraphrasing]"So we are beyond the argument about whether something has been imaged, and on to a discussion of MAGNITUDE!"

It's about the trickery of getting people to discuss things based on the acceptance of previous lies. This has been the pattern of Zetatalk from the very beginning: Make a claim... declare it proven... build on that... over and over and over again!

PERFECT example, Andrew!


then why discuss Rules of Non-Interference if he knows they do not exist? he doesnt believe ZT, i do. so he asks me a Q about those Rules, its essentially like saying, translation: "Lets assume for a brief second that it is real, then...".
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Yes, I have agreed to engage you on YOUR terms in those cases. You have a problem with that?

I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things.
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I think you have. It is a very common practice for the PX proponents to show 'proof' after 'proof', but when challenged on them, to then declare that they don't have to prove anything to anyone and that their 'proofs' never mattered in the first place. We have seen it a thousand times. Your statement is just more of the same.

no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.
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Except where there are alleged 'proofs' of the existence of PX given, but those 'proofs' are a system of escallating(sp?) outright lies. Did you miss that part of what I said? That was the MOST important part, but you ignored it!
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I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things. no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.


So you admit it's pseudo-science then. Good.

It's a 'religious' belief system, unlike science.
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religious belief system, scientific belief system... big difference.

what is Buddism? a religion? many consider it to be philosophy (philosophic system). the same with Confucianism.

but this debate is wrong in its own - is religion not a philosophical system? it gives purported explanations as to:

- what the world is
- why?
- what is human's place in it

science's main goal is to attempt to amswer the same
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Andrew, you are too young to know this, but climate change is not something new that the Zetas came up with. I remember back in the 70s they were talking about scenarios of climate change due to over population and climate change caused by pollution and over population. Man has made a mess of this planet, but it has nothing to do with planet x. It has nothing to do with the earth being stopped in orbit. The zetas are trying to claim they foresaw something that has been foreseen by others for more than 30 years. The one has nothing to do with the other.

As for the sun and moon are not where they should be claims, and a dark coverup, it's silly. Check out Astronut's latest broadcast and try to understand that none of what he does would be possible if anything was abnormal. Try to understand that the monuments in Mexico that predict things like equinoxes, solstices, stars or planets transiting the local zenith have done so for thousands of years and continue to do so with thousands of people witnessing them. A friend who does archeoastronomy research tells me that the one in Xochicalco would not work if the sun was even a fraction of a degree off where it normally is. The engineering on that device is an incredible example of precision. In a few days, at that same site, inside a cave, the Pleiads will be projected onto the wall of the cave at a precise place that has been painted on the wall thousands of years ago, as it crosses the local zenith at midnight - and marks the nadir of the sun at that latitude. The sun and moon and all other orbiting bodies in our solar system continue to move as they have for thousands of years.
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Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?

oh really? why?
who can forbid them?

Gravity.
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or rather our understanding of it?



that graphic quote again:

"By one account, being able to tell science apart from "pseudo-science, such as astrology, quackery, the occult, and superstition"[3][4] is part of gaining scientific literacy. "
by Wikipedia in Pseudoscience article (saved before it was snipped)
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it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


Then why, after 15 years, has NONE of it been verified by any observation?

Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?


oh really? why?
who can forbid them?
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This would be YOU, Andrew, touting the 'scientific' dogma which YOU have chosen to adopt!
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ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


But you are STUPID Andrew, really STUPID!

That is why ZT works for you - but doesn't for anyone with a brain!


umm.., nope! for anyone with a brain ZT works. only for those who use Wikipedia to do thinking for them, it doesnt work.


Then why does nobody believe ZT except for a handful of idiots like you?

Why do NO scientists in the whole world accept it?

Why doesn't ANYONE with a decent scientific education accept it?
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their scientific indoctri.. pardon education prevents them. they live in misconception.
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Zetas Wrong Again!

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

To be followed by a posting on how the LISS heliplots do not show the supposed earth wobble
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So Menow, why are you AFRAID to just let it ALL hang out???

I have no agenda to push re: that. I have no need to try to force the discussion in any certain direction. I HAVE offered my personal views when they apply and have consequence to the discussion at hand, as you have already noted. Simple as that.


Heh - we have more in common than you'd like to admit.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


You mean, AGAIN, that you think I don't understand or know things which you feel you have discerned about me.
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Fuck you Max. I have been around WAAAY more blocks than you can even comprehend in this area. You are NOT my intellectual or spiritual superior or teacher as relates to these matters.


Boy - THAT "Great Lake" of ARROGANCE sums you up better than anything else I've seen you type. DUDE, we all take turns being on both sides of the lectern - and if you're not open to being BOTH teacher and student, and allowing everyone else you encounter access to those positions as well, then you truly are EVERY BIT AS BAD as the forces you profess to be fighting.

"Wisdom" - from the mouth of a fool ... is WHAT???

Isn't it "WISDOM"???

Don't you think there's an "ultimate" truth somewhere? If you insist that it's delivered to you ONLY via "worthy" channels, then you're a MUCH bigger fool than you even think **I** am!

Think about it ...


Read what I wrote you insipid goon. YOU are the one trying to preach things YOU feel I don't know. I didn't say I can't learn things from ANYONE. I simply said that the things YOU imply I haven't considered are, well, laughable! Get a fucking clue.


You may have "considered" - but you haven't "shared". As far as getting "a fucking clue" - just what do you think the whole point of my "game" (as you put it) is anyway?

I'll give YOU a clue - it's my way of GETTING a clue.

I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.


I have known these things about you all along, Max, and no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.


>> no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.

"I have known these things about you all along, M"enow.
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And talking about muzzling people and cover ups, there is a news item where our prime minister is accused of muzzling scientists. But this needs to be taken into context. Our little fuhrer has already muzzled the press, muzzled his own caucus from speaking without his approval. It's just the kind of ass that he is. It has nothing to do with covering up a non existent rogue planet.

As far as that goes, why is it bad when earth politicians cover up things, yet it's ok when the Zetas cover up the supposed anomalies in the sky, making things look normal? If the Zetas would stop doing that, we would all see that things are wrong, we would all know something was up and we would all be able to prepare. By covering up the very thing they have come to tell us, they are contributing to making the population ignorant, and to the demise of a great number of humans, giving them no chance unless they blindly follow Nancy. But most of us know that the Zetas don't exist and that everything Nancy says is bullshit.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


Menow, if you think about it, and not just accept everything that science preaches, you see that what Nancy/Zetas say about the rotation of the Moon is very much possible, probable.
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Andrew, you are too young to know this, but climate change is not something new that the Zetas came up with. I remember back in the 70s they were talking about scenarios of climate change due to over population and climate change caused by pollution and over population. Man has made a mess of this planet, but it has nothing to do with planet x. It has nothing to do with the earth being stopped in orbit. The zetas are trying to claim they foresaw something that has been foreseen by others for more than 30 years. The one has nothing to do with the other.

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Andrew might want to look up "The concert for Bangladesh" if he wants to know about some flooding which preceded the alleged arrival of PX by a few years. Then again, he might not.
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So, based on the last few pages -- am I to understand that Zetamax is the "Stephen Colbert" of Zetatalk, then?
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I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things.


I think you have. It is a very common practice for the PX proponents to show 'proof' after 'proof', but when challenged on them, to then declare that they don't have to prove anything to anyone and that their 'proofs' never mattered in the first place. We have seen it a thousand times. Your statement is just more of the same.


no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.


Except where there are alleged 'proofs' of the existence of PX given, but those 'proofs' are a system of escallating(sp?) outright lies. Did you miss that part of what I said? That was the MOST important part, but you ignored it!
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


in that quote i was not talking about PX, but about alien presence ("I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things")
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Andrew, you are too young to know this, but climate change is not something new that the Zetas came up with. I remember back in the 70s they were talking about scenarios of climate change due to over population and climate change caused by pollution and over population. Man has made a mess of this planet, but it has nothing to do with planet x. It has nothing to do with the earth being stopped in orbit. The zetas are trying to claim they foresaw something that has been foreseen by others for more than 30 years. The one has nothing to do with the other.

As for the sun and moon are not where they should be claims, and a dark coverup, it's silly. Check out Astronut's latest broadcast and try to understand that none of what he does would be possible if anything was abnormal. Try to understand that the monuments in Mexico that predict things like equinoxes, solstices, stars or planets transiting the local zenith have done so for thousands of years and continue to do so with thousands of people witnessing them. A friend who does archeoastronomy research tells me that the one in Xochicalco would not work if the sun was even a fraction of a degree off where it normally is. The engineering on that device is an incredible example of precision. In a few days, at that same site, inside a cave, the Pleiads will be projected onto the wall of the cave at a precise place that has been painted on the wall thousands of years ago, as it crosses the local zenith at midnight - and marks the nadir of the sun at that latitude. The sun and moon and all other orbiting bodies in our solar system continue to move as they have for thousands of years.
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you are a fool assuming i am the fool you assume me to be.

its good that people at least have a feeling of guilt over what have they done to our planet. that doesnt mean it caused warming, or "climate change".

zetas DID foresaw - increase in natural disasters, erratic weather and severe weather conditions, globally. its not a question is it happening or not - its the question of measuring its scale and impact. and some also delude themselves that they can DO something about it, so also what to do about it.
if you want to be rigid fool you are now attempting to be - fine, its your choice. but rest of the world is not that well off - they are counting economic and crop losses, their food prices are soaring because of this and soon enough they can have nothing to eat in some places!

re Sun and Moon - ask Inuit, IS it normal [not should or shouldnt].

why are you so convinced that ancient megaliths were indeed astronomical devices? it is only a guess!
they are not so precisely lined with compass, and you can make probably anything to align if look at it at certain angles.
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Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?

oh really? why?
who can forbid them?

Gravity.


or rather our understanding of it?



that graphic quote again:

"By one account, being able to tell science apart from "pseudo-science, such as astrology, quackery, the occult, and superstition"[3][4] is part of gaining scientific literacy. "
by Wikipedia in Pseudoscience article (saved before it was snipped)
 Quoting: andrew


Again, discussing things on YOUR terms, Andrew. You can thank me later:

The "Zeta" understanding of gravity and the alleged 'repulsion force' is shown here:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

 "Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity."

"The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact."

Utter contradiction with other "Zeta" claims on the orbit of PX. Those stated parameters and strength of the alleged repulsion force would dictate that PX would have careened right on into the Sun, Andrew.

Why would you accept as true and valid a 'science' which is internally impossible by its OWN stated physical laws, Andrew?
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Zetas Wrong Again!

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

To be followed by a posting on how the LISS heliplots do not show the supposed earth wobble
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More lies and deception from Nancy. Paying attention, Andrew?
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And talking about muzzling people and cover ups, there is a news item where our prime minister is accused of muzzling scientists. But this needs to be taken into context. Our little fuhrer has already muzzled the press, muzzled his own caucus from speaking without his approval. It's just the kind of ass that he is. It has nothing to do with covering up a non existent rogue planet.

As far as that goes, why is it bad when earth politicians cover up things, yet it's ok when the Zetas cover up the supposed anomalies in the sky, making things look normal? If the Zetas would stop doing that, we would all see that things are wrong, we would all know something was up and we would all be able to prepare. By covering up the very thing they have come to tell us, they are contributing to making the population ignorant, and to the demise of a great number of humans, giving them no chance unless they blindly follow Nancy. But most of us know that the Zetas don't exist and that everything Nancy says is bullshit.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Right. If "Zetas" were to stop moving stuff in the sky around, Hap and all the others would have no way of denying the existence of 'changes' in the position of sky objects. We would ALL get on the bandwagon and find out what was causing that. Nancy's story would have you believe that ALL astronomers are lying infidels bent on nothing but saving their own skins. How likely is that? How likely is ANYTHING Zetatalk says?
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Wrong as it may ultimately be, you have to admit, it's a project VERY few have ever attempted to undertake. For that ALONE, my hat is off to Nancy. At the very least it's "interesting" for that reason alone.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


So, you take your hat off to someone who has lied every step of the way, even to the point of convincing her followers to threaten to commit suicide if what she claimed didn't happen?

Really? Are you THAT sick?
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zetas DID foresaw - increase in natural disasters, erratic weather and severe weather conditions, globally. its not a question is it happening or not - its the question of measuring its scale and impact.
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Certainly it's a question of if what she claims is actually happening. Show me any evidence you have of the "increases" she has claimed over the last decade and how things are any different than they have been at times in the past.
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Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!


Menow, if you think about it, and not just accept everything that science preaches, you see that what Nancy/Zetas say about the rotation of the Moon is very much possible, probable.
 Quoting: andrew


If *I* think about it?? How about if *YOU* think about it, hmm? Try real hard, Andrew... Show me. Take Nancy's "Moon facts" page and go through it line by line while you explain it. I DARE you!

Here it is:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Now... YOU explain how the Moon isn't supposed to rotate 360 degrees over our heads every 24 hours with all the rest of the sky. You DO know that Earth rotates once every day while the sky holds still, right?

Go right ahead. You have the floor.
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So, based on the last few pages -- am I to understand that Zetamax is the "Stephen Colbert" of Zetatalk, then?
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chuckle
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I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things.


I think you have. It is a very common practice for the PX proponents to show 'proof' after 'proof', but when challenged on them, to then declare that they don't have to prove anything to anyone and that their 'proofs' never mattered in the first place. We have seen it a thousand times. Your statement is just more of the same.


no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.


Except where there are alleged 'proofs' of the existence of PX given, but those 'proofs' are a system of escallating(sp?) outright lies. Did you miss that part of what I said? That was the MOST important part, but you ignored it!


in that quote i was not talking about PX, but about alien presence ("I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things")
 Quoting: andrew


Oh.. but you DO express a strong belief that simply BECAUSE they exist that Nancy should be taken seriously!

But, have it your way. Leave that aside... and focus on things which CAN be proven. How about "Earth halted in orbit" or "Sun in the wrong place"? You can provide NOTHING beyond unconfirmed, anecdotal internet 'reports' to confirm silly notions like those, so why do you believe they are true? Blind faith in "Zetas", that's why. You have already stated as much.
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Wrong as it may ultimately be, you have to admit, it's a project VERY few have ever attempted to undertake. For that ALONE, my hat is off to Nancy. At the very least it's "interesting" for that reason alone.


So, you take your hat off to someone who has lied every step of the way, even to the point of convincing her followers to threaten to commit suicide if what she claimed didn't happen?

Really? Are you THAT sick?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880


wait, wait, wait, hold on - Nancy doesnt do personal counseling. Neither she nor Zetas direct people's personal lives and personal decisions. They give info, predictions, signs, and advice, at most.

what will people do with it, will they even listen and believe it at all, is up to them!

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if brought to extreme one could demand a lawsuit on school textbook editors, because they've had an urge to commit suicide after having read there that Moon is not a Cheddar cheese!

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