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Marquis

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11/01/2010 08:11 AM
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where does that gif show rotation around Moon's axis??!

the tiny red dot is glued to Earth all the time! there is no rotation around Moon's axis!
Quoting: andrew

The moon changes position as part of its orbit. For the same side to stay facing the earth it has to rotate at the same rate as its orbit. This is basic stuff. If it wasn't rotating at all then the dot in that .gif would stay pointing in the same direction constantly, but as it is the dot goes through a full 360 degree rotation.
Marquis

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11/01/2010 08:13 AM
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but if you so insist we can call it that way, though "technically" its not rotation around its axis
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BS. The "technical" definition of rotation fits the movement of the moon perfectly. If you disagree, post the "technical" definition you're using (technical meaning not something you pulled out of your ass).

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andrew

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11/01/2010 08:26 AM
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where does that gif show rotation around Moon's axis??!

the tiny red dot is glued to Earth all the time! there is no rotation around Moon's axis!

The moon changes position as part of its orbit. For the same side to stay facing the earth it has to rotate at the same rate as its orbit. This is basic stuff. If it wasn't rotating at all then the dot in that .gif would stay pointing in the same direction constantly, but as it is the dot goes through a full 360 degree rotation.
Quoting: Marquis

are you really that DUMB?

"changes position as a part of its orbit bla bla..." - what utter nonsense!

the right part of that gif is misleading - for if it was doing it while staying in place - i agree it could be called rotation around its axis. but if ytou look at left part of gif you see how it is - it is orbiting around Earth with obe side 'glued' permanently to Earth! - just exactly like Nancy/Zetas said!

what it does ( as evidenced by red dot) is not rotate around its axis, it orbits Earth with one side glued to it! that doesnt equal rotation around its axis!

and to the contrary - if it WAS rotating, red dot would point out at times. and it does NOT. this right part of gif is misleading.

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andrew

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11/01/2010 08:30 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!

this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion
Marquis

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11/01/2010 08:41 AM
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are you really that DUMB?

"changes position as a part of its orbit bla bla..." - what utter nonsense!
Quoting: andrew

Really, what's nonsensical about that? Do you deny that the position of the moon changes due to its orbit? That's what an orbit is.

the right part of that gif is misleading - for if it was doing it while staying in place - i agree it could be called rotation around its axis. but if ytou look at left part of gif you see how it is - it is orbiting around Earth with obe side 'glued' permanently to Earth! - just exactly like Nancy/Zetas said!
Quoting: andrew

It's rotating AND orbiting you dimwit. The fact that it's not standing still has no bearing on the fact that it still rotates on its axis. Rotation and translation are two completely different concepts and the fact that you think one negates the other speaks volumes about your knowledge of the subject.

what it does ( as evidenced by red dot) is not rotate around its axis, it orbits Earth with one side glued to it! that doesnt equal rotation around its axis!

and to the contrary - if it WAS rotating, red dot would point out at times. and it does NOT. this right part of gif is misleading.
Quoting: andrew

If the moon wasn't rotating then the dot would be pointing in the same direction constantly. Not relative to the Earth, but relative to the surrounding space.

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Gazmik

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11/01/2010 08:55 AM
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ZetaTalk is NOT a cult!!!

It's more like Mensa on steroids!
Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***

I think that you've confused Mensa and the Special Olympics...
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11/01/2010 08:58 AM

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this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion
Quoting: andrew

If it's just an abstract optical illusion, why is it easier for a spacecraft to launch eastward from the moon's surface to reach lunar orbit than westward from the moon's surface?
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11/01/2010 09:00 AM

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Still no response? The sun and moon were shown to be right where they should be, why is that andrew?
Quoting: Astronut

I see you're still running from this post. Must have struck one hell of a nerve to render you that speechless.
The_Returner

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11/01/2010 09:26 AM
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Andrew, is everyone in smelly old Dumbfuckistan as abyssmally stupid as you?

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Menow
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11/01/2010 09:43 AM
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In respect of having the option and ability to ban a poster from our debunkers thread I can only think of ONE reason to do so....namely the use of the "C" word(with four letters and ends in "t").

:Loneranger:myself

That's:
Cant
cast
cart
celt
cent
cert
cest
chat
chit
coat
coit
cost

:>

Yes Prof-rabbit.....getting warm!!

:tlr4: and maybe Melfy could do the honour and display to us all his superior IQ by revealing the "secret" word and then giving us the added bonus of a second confirmation.....just so that I can.....
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Curt... I bet it's curt!
Gazmik

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11/01/2010 09:48 AM
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Curt... I bet it's curt!
Quoting: Menow 1119283

Must not be "cult".
The_Returner

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11/01/2010 09:48 AM
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It's coot!

Damn, I said it, don't ban m
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Menow
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11/01/2010 09:58 AM
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are you really that DUMB?

"changes position as a part of its orbit bla bla..." - what utter nonsense!

the right part of that gif is misleading - for if it was doing it while staying in place - i agree it could be called rotation around its axis.
Quoting: andrew

Really? If something is moving, that means it isn't rotating? Why? Does that mean Earth is not rotating?

but if ytou look at left part of gif you see how it is - it is orbiting around Earth with obe side 'glued' permanently to Earth! - just exactly like Nancy/Zetas said!
Quoting: andrew

Permanently? When did they say that, and what makes it permanent? I already asked you what would happen to the Moon if Earth suddenly went missing. Why didn't you answer?

what it does ( as evidenced by red dot) is not rotate around its axis, it orbits Earth with one side glued to it! that doesnt equal rotation around its axis!
Quoting: andrew

Of course it does. I already asked you if Earth was rotating, but you didn't answer. Is Earth rotating? How do you know?

and to the contrary - if it WAS rotating, red dot would point out at times. and it does NOT. this right part of gif is misleading.
Quoting: andrew

How can a point on the surface of a rotating body always point in the same direction?
Menow
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11/01/2010 10:00 AM
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:Moonspin:

this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion
Quoting: andrew

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?
Menow
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11/01/2010 10:05 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!

this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion
Quoting: andrew

By the way, Andrew... All this is not the claim of Nancy's I asked you about in the first place. It was her lying about "Moon facts". Are you afraid to talk about that?
andrew

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11/01/2010 10:07 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?
Quoting: Menow 1119283

the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)
andrew

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11/01/2010 10:14 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!

this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

By the way, Andrew... All this is not the claim of Nancy's I asked you about in the first place. It was her lying about "Moon facts". Are you afraid to talk about that?
Quoting: Menow 1119283

"Moon facts" were about the wobble - "moon out of place" is an effect of wobble
***ZetaMaX***

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11/01/2010 10:21 AM
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Curt... I bet it's curt!

Must not be "cult".
Quoting: Gazmik

Anyone who use the word "CULT" again, will be FOREVER banned from my Buddy List!!!!

YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!!

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Menow
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11/01/2010 10:23 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?

the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)
Quoting: andrew

1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth.

2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating?

3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer.
Menow
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11/01/2010 10:23 AM
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Sorry: REVOLVES.
Marquis

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11/01/2010 10:26 AM
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the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".
Quoting: andrew

A change in position is the exact definition of motion. The moon orbits the earth. An orbit involves motion. Therefore the moon changes position. This is not complicated.
Menow
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11/01/2010 10:27 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!

this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

By the way, Andrew... All this is not the claim of Nancy's I asked you about in the first place. It was her lying about "Moon facts". Are you afraid to talk about that?

"Moon facts" were about the wobble - "moon out of place" is an effect of wobble
Quoting: andrew

No. "Moon facts" was about Nancy's falsification of the definition of "libration". I even quoted it for you. It wasn't about the Moon being 'out of place' at all. It was about the Moon's apparent rotation as it crosses the sky. You don't seem to even understand what Nancy was saying. That's why I asked you to describe what you think was being claimed. You didn't answer.
andrew

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11/01/2010 10:32 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?

the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)

1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth.

2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating?

3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer.
Quoting: Menow 1119283

Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)
Menow
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11/01/2010 10:35 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?

the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)

1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth.

2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating?

3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer.

Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)
Quoting: andrew

See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms.

Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time.
andrew

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11/01/2010 10:35 AM
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the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

A change in position is the exact definition of motion. The moon orbits the earth. An orbit involves motion. Therefore the moon changes position. This is not complicated.
Quoting: Marquis

a change in position is not rotation around its own axis (that is - spin).

"orbit involves motion" does not equal spin around its own axis too
andrew

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11/01/2010 10:38 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?

the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)

1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth.

2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating?

3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer.

Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)

See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms.

Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time.
Quoting: Menow 1119283

"of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect
The_Returner

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11/01/2010 10:39 AM
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this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own!
this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion

What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to?

the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..".

Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)

1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth.

2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating?

3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer.

Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth!
(it has no spin around its own axis)

See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms.

Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time.

"of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect
Quoting: andrew

WRONG.

You truly are as stupid as you sound.
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Marquis

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11/01/2010 10:40 AM
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a change in position is not rotation around its own axis (that is - spin).

"orbit involves motion" does not equal spin around its own axis too
Quoting: andrew

Are you reading some sort of weird phantom posts that no one else can see? Are you responding to the Great Gazoo? Because you don't seem to be reading my posts at all before you respond to them.

The moon revolves around the Earth AND spins on its own axis. The fact that the same side faces the earth is proof of its spin because of the fact that it moves. If it did not spin in addition to revolving around the Earth, then we would not see the same side all the time. We would see different sides because we would be viewing it from different angles.
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11/01/2010 10:41 AM
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"of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect
Quoting: andrew

You are stupid as a brokeback breadspider ... unbelievable ...

Here, play around with this little flash-demonstration:

I doubt it will make you see the light though, you are beyond any help.
andrew

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