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It's funny how this particular Admin never misses an opportunity to try and make me look like a moran.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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It's funny how Max doesn't think that the Admins have banned
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It's funny how this particular Admin never misses an opportunity to try and make me look like a moran.
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You do that very well yourself, Max.
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And here I was going to announce that I developed software that analyzes the cell structure of the pimples on Nancy Lieder's ass and uses genetic changes to predict the future.

According to the software, there is going to be a cosmic attitude realignment event between February 2, 2010 and February 14, 2010. But the effects won't be noticeable until April 1, 2010.

You can buy the detailed report on my web site for only $29.95 USD.
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It's funny how Max doesn't think that the Admins have banned
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It's funny how this particular Admin never misses an opportunity to try and make me look like a moran.
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its not only that he tries.

Obviously he is very successfull with.

Well, it is not that difficult in your case.



23 days gone fom 25.Okt.2010
45 days to go until andrew has to talk is failure away ("it would, indeed, hurt Zeta's own cause..") Link:
Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 773)


Reminder for Nancy to think about a valid answer for her 2012 non-show since Nov 11, 2008.
736 days gone, 410 days to go until Nancys final failure (at 1.1.2012)
Nancy backpedalled first on July4th, 2009. ("Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003. Could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??") -"SOZT This is within the realm of possibility. EOZT"
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 4 (Page 5)
Nancy backpedalled second at July 18, 2009." As we have stated repeatedly, almost weekly, we will give NO indication of a timeline. "
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 18 (Page 2)
Discussionthread about previous link ;-)
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Nancy backpedalled third at August 22, 2009. "NO time frame details can be relayed, period. But…... " (p 3), (White lie again) Nancytalk "this was admitted as entirely plausible in a recent chat. Check the chat archives", "Sattelite move whithin atmosphere" (somewhere),
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 22 (Page 3)
Nancy backpedalled fourt at 5th Spt 09, SOZT ….It is still theoretically possible for a passage to cause nothing more than high tides and strong earthquakes…." EOZT, p3
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 5 (Page 5)
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It's funny how Max doesn't think that the Admins have banned
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And here I was going to announce that I developed software that analyzes the cell structure of the pimples on Nancy Lieder's ass and uses genetic changes to predict the future.

According to the software, there is going to be a cosmic attitude realignment event between February 2, 2010 and February 14, 2010. But the effects won't be noticeable until April 1, 2010.

You can buy the detailed report on my web site for only $29.95 USD.
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A prediction into the past ?
Easy stuff ;-)
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A prediction into the past ?
Easy stuff ;-)
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Ooops! A bug in the software! It should be 2011. But with time, the software improves its accuracy. Right now it's at 50%...either it's right, or it's not.
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>> *Why* are you attracted to those kinds of prophetic ideas?

I have zero "faith" in the "system" ... ZERO



Then work to change the system. Even merely changing one mind at a time. A rogue planet/aliens aren't going to help you. It's up to you.

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Yea right. "It's up to me." I suppose you also tell everyone that voting is their "civic duty" too - as if the circus we call elections ever changed anything. The game is rigged to serve the desires of a few, over the needs of many. Frankly, too much collective power has already been lost - those in power must miscalculate big time, and essentially destroy THEMSELVES.

But - since they're a bunch of egotistical, self-absorbed, narcissistic, self-congratulatory maniacs, there's actually lots of reasons to think they just might.

So I still have hope for "change," but only as a sideline bystander. I have no desire to be a martyr. (Been there, done that - over-rated experience).

Yea - "it's up to me" ... LOL.

I have zero "faith" in mankind's ultimate ability to solve it's own problems ... ZERO


A defeatist attitude, and illogical.
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Nonsense. It's illogical to think that if David and Goliath had a rematch, that David would win "again". It's "illogical" to assume that the dude wrapped in duck tape is going to prevail against the gang kicking the shit out of him.

Yea - I have a defeatist attitude. I see nothing but DEFEAT all around me.

If mankind does NOT have the ability to solve the problems it faces, you may as well off yourself pleasantly, right now.
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Why - the "storm troopers" aren't even in the driveway yet. I'll reconsider when they are. (Though it appears, they now work at the airport).

That you don't demonstrates that you do not truly believe the notion that mankind has ZERO possibility on managing its own problems.
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OK, maybe "zero" is a bit of an exaggeration. Let's say I'm EXTREMELY PERSUADED that mankind does not have the ability to solve its own problems.

Aliens aren't going to come to help, nor is a rogue planet. It's up to us, working to change things for the better, in achingly small steps. We might fail, as a whole. We might not be able to do it. But in the attempt alone lies the greatest power our species has ever had.
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At least I can call a SPADE A SPADE. "achingly small steps". That's like bailing a cup of water for every gallon that seeps in. Sorry, but with math like that, sinking is inevitable.

At this stage I see two likely outcomes - the year becomes 1984, the population is steered intentionally toward a cliff and run off it. The elite hide in their bunkers until 90% of the population has perished, and then reclaims the earth as essentially a SLAVE planet with a population around the 500,000,000 they listed on the Georgia Guidestones.
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Funny how not SINGLE debunker addresses this possibility. VERY TELLING.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 11/17/2010 01:21 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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>> *Why* are you attracted to those kinds of prophetic ideas?

I have zero "faith" in the "system" ... ZERO



Then work to change the system. Even merely changing one mind at a time. A rogue planet/aliens aren't going to help you. It's up to you.



Yea right. "It's up to me." I suppose you also tell everyone that voting is their "civic duty" too - as if the circus we call elections ever changed anything. The game is rigged to serve the desires of a few, over the needs of many.
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The outcome of elections is almost never a certainty…not for the voters…not for the powerful…not even for the Zetas who have the ability to halt the earth in its orbit. Remember? They said the Obama would not even receive the nomination. LOL
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Zetamax will now claim the TSA gropegate is the TIPPING POINT
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Zetamax will now claim the TSA gropegate is the TIPPING POINT
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So you're in favor of it? (The debunkers have been AMAZINGLY quiet on this issue!!!)
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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It's funny how this particular Admin never misses an opportunity to try and make me look like a moran.
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A moran? What the heck is that? Is it similar to a MORON? I'd say you do that just fine by yourself...no help needed from any of us.

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Zetamax will now claim the TSA gropegate is the TIPPING POINT


So you're in favor of it? (The debunkers have been AMAZINGLY quiet on this issue!!!)
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Please try and keep on message Socky.

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My erudition has left TLR *speechless*!!!

awesome

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Yea right. "It's up to me." I suppose you also tell everyone that voting is their "civic duty" too - as if the circus we call elections ever changed anything.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


It honestly does -- but this is likely not the thread to debate that.

The game is rigged to serve the desires of a few, over the needs of many. Frankly, too much collective power has already been lost - those in power must miscalculate big time, and essentially destroy THEMSELVES.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


Why don't you run for a local office, then? What's stopping you? Local politics is where the real decisions seem to be made, anyway.

But - since they're a bunch of egotistical, self-absorbed, narcissistic, self-congratulatory maniacs, there's actually lots of reasons to think they just might.

So I still have hope for "change," but only as a sideline bystander. I have no desire to be a martyr. (Been there, done that - over-rated experience).
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


You exaggerate. It doesn't take matrydom to change things. You can do it with your head, your hands, speaking, teaching, and learning. It's just that often those changes don't have the dramatic effects people want to see.

Streams carve out canyons. It just takes a long, long time.


Yea - "it's up to me" ... LOL.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


If not you, who?


I have zero "faith" in mankind's ultimate ability to solve it's own problems ... ZERO


A defeatist attitude, and illogical.


Nonsense. It's illogical to think that if David and Goliath had a rematch, that David would win "again". It's "illogical" to assume that the dude wrapped in duck tape is going to prevail against the gang kicking the shit out of him.

Yea - I have a defeatist attitude. I see nothing but DEFEAT all around me.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


Then you aren't looking, or you are choosing a particularly dark set of shades to look through. I see miracles every day. I, personally, think it's a better time to be alive than any point in human history.

I mean, really, when would you have rather been alive? Name the century, and why.


OK, maybe "zero" is a bit of an exaggeration. Let's say I'm EXTREMELY PERSUADED that mankind does not have the ability to solve its own problems.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


Ahhh. Interesting. What would persuade you otherwise, then?

At least I can call a SPADE A SPADE. "achingly small steps". That's like bailing a cup of water for every gallon that seeps in. Sorry, but with math like that, sinking is inevitable.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


Maybe. I'll bail anyway, in your somewhat banal metaphor. And I will look at ways of slowly, but surely, fixing the "boat." And convincing a lot of other people to bail with their cups, as well.

How is your alternative of NOT bailing superior?

At this stage I see two likely outcomes - the year becomes 1984, the population is steered intentionally toward a cliff and run off it. The elite hide in their bunkers until 90% of the population has perished, and then reclaims the earth as essentially a SLAVE planet with a population around the 500,000,000 they listed on the Georgia Guidestones.


Funny how not SINGLE debunker addresses this possibility. VERY TELLING.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMaX***


I think it's a fairly pointless possibility to address. Your either-or fallacy still stands above; as you somehow think those are the only two possibilities without addressing literally hundreds of others. But, I will indulge you, if only a bit.

You want a much, much scarier alternative to the scenarios you suggest? The one I believe might truly keep our elected leaders awake? The one the elite would NEVER want you to know or consider?

It's this:

They don't know any more than you do.

That's the big secret "they" don't want people to think about. That those in the so-called 'elite' are as clueless, blind, lost, surprised, and confused as the rest of the population. They do their best to control situations that are, by their very nature, uncontrollable, they try to shape the language and the debate, but they are as stuck on this roller coaster ride called life as any of the rest of us. The control you ascribe to certain individuals is an illuison at best. "They" still die from the diseases that claim the rest of us. "They" still die in accidents like the rest of us. "They" worry as much about their lives as we do about ours. "They" just aren't that different.

They have no more idea what the world will look like in a century than you do. Some might have access to a lot of interesting intel, but as we continually see, it doesn't seem to amount to much. They still blunder grandly, as do the rest of us -- except their blunders are national news.

I don't think there *are* any bunkers for the elite to hide in, because, frankly, I think none of them had the foresight, or wanted to go to such an expense that won't pay guaranteed dividends, to put such Noah's Arks together any more than *you* did. If they had, we'd have CASINOS in orbit, to keep the rich safe. We don't. None want to spend the money.

They DON'T know. They DON'T have a plan. They DON'T have secret information about the future of our species. Their attempts at manipulation FAIL. Your guess is as good as THEIR guess.

THAT'S terrifying, isn't it?

And with 6.5 billion people pulling in 6.5 billion different directions, it is quite hard to predict which way we, as a species, will go. But, again, we've been here before -- and we made it. We'll make it again, or we won't.

So I will continue, in my achingly small way, to make the difference I can to the people around me. I'll continue to discuss and learn and wonder, and hopefully encourage others to do the same. And, in doing so, live the best life I can with the knowledge, rules, and beliefs I have decided to adopt, and perhaps some of those rules, beliefs and knowledge will influence others positively.

Again, do you have a superior alternative? Certainly hoping an inbound planet will kill 5.4 billion of us isn't nearly as constructive...
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My erudition has left TLR *speechless*!!!

awesome
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tlr24 You wish, Melfster!!
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The game is rigged to serve the desires of a few, over the needs of many. Frankly, too much collective power has already been lost - those in power must miscalculate big time, and essentially destroy THEMSELVES

Why don't you run for a local office, then? What's stopping you? Local politics is where the real decisions seem to be made, anyway.
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:Ha:

But - since they're a bunch of egotistical, self-absorbed, narcissistic, self-congratulatory maniacs, there's actually lots of reasons to think they just might.

So I still have hope for "change," but only as a sideline bystander. I have no desire to be a martyr. (Been there, done that - over-rated experience).


You exaggerate. It doesn't take matrydom to change things. You can do it with your head, your hands, speaking, teaching, and learning. It's just that often those changes don't have the dramatic effects people want to see.

Streams carve out canyons. It just takes a long, long time.



Yea - "it's up to me" ... LOL.


If not you, who?



I have zero "faith" in mankind's ultimate ability to solve it's own problems ... ZERO


A defeatist attitude, and illogical.


Nonsense. It's illogical to think that if David and Goliath had a rematch, that David would win "again". It's "illogical" to assume that the dude wrapped in duck tape is going to prevail against the gang kicking the shit out of him.

Yea - I have a defeatist attitude. I see nothing but DEFEAT all around me.


Then you aren't looking, or you are choosing a particularly dark set of shades to look through. I see miracles every day. I, personally, think it's a better time to be alive than any point in human history.

I mean, really, when would you have rather been alive? Name the century, and why.



OK, maybe "zero" is a bit of an exaggeration. Let's say I'm EXTREMELY PERSUADED that mankind does not have the ability to solve its own problems.


Ahhh. Interesting. What would persuade you otherwise, then?


At least I can call a SPADE A SPADE. "achingly small steps". That's like bailing a cup of water for every gallon that seeps in. Sorry, but with math like that, sinking is inevitable.


Maybe. I'll bail anyway, in your somewhat banal metaphor. And I will look at ways of slowly, but surely, fixing the "boat." And convincing a lot of other people to bail with their cups, as well.

How is your alternative of NOT bailing superior?


At this stage I see two likely outcomes - the year becomes 1984, the population is steered intentionally toward a cliff and run off it. The elite hide in their bunkers until 90% of the population has perished, and then reclaims the earth as essentially a SLAVE planet with a population around the 500,000,000 they listed on the Georgia Guidestones.


Funny how not SINGLE debunker addresses this possibility. VERY TELLING.


I think it's a fairly pointless possibility to address. Your either-or fallacy still stands above; as you somehow think those are the only two possibilities without addressing literally hundreds of others. But, I will indulge you, if only a bit.

You want a much, much scarier alternative to the scenarios you suggest? The one I believe might truly keep our elected leaders awake? The one the elite would NEVER want you to know or consider?

It's this:

They don't know any more than you do.

That's the big secret "they" don't want people to think about. That those in the so-called 'elite' are as clueless, blind, lost, surprised, and confused as the rest of the population. They do their best to control situations that are, by their very nature, uncontrollable, they try to shape the language and the debate, but they are as stuck on this roller coaster ride called life as any of the rest of us. The control you ascribe to certain individuals is an illuison at best. "They" still die from the diseases that claim the rest of us. "They" still die in accidents like the rest of us. "They" worry as much about their lives as we do about ours. "They" just aren't that different.

They have no more idea what the world will look like in a century than you do. Some might have access to a lot of interesting intel, but as we continually see, it doesn't seem to amount to much. They still blunder grandly, as do the rest of us -- except their blunders are national news.

I don't think there *are* any bunkers for the elite to hide in, because, frankly, I think none of them had the foresight, or wanted to go to such an expense that won't pay guaranteed dividends, to put such Noah's Arks together any more than *you* did. If they had, we'd have CASINOS in orbit, to keep the rich safe. We don't. None want to spend the money.

They DON'T know. They DON'T have a plan. They DON'T have secret information about the future of our species. Their attempts at manipulation FAIL. Your guess is as good as THEIR guess.

THAT'S terrifying, isn't it?

And with 6.5 billion people pulling in 6.5 billion different directions, it is quite hard to predict which way we, as a species, will go. But, again, we've been here before -- and we made it. We'll make it again, or we won't.

So I will continue, in my achingly small way, to make the difference I can to the people around me. I'll continue to discuss and learn and wonder, and hopefully encourage others to do the same. And, in doing so, live the best life I can with the knowledge, rules, and beliefs I have decided to adopt, and perhaps some of those rules, beliefs and knowledge will influence others positively.

Again, do you have a superior alternative? Certainly hoping an inbound planet will kill 5.4 billion of us isn't nearly as constructive...
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The game is rigged to serve the desires of a few, over the needs of many. Frankly, too much collective power has already been lost - those in power must miscalculate big time, and essentially destroy THEMSELVES.


Why don't you run for a local office, then? What's stopping you? Local politics is where the real decisions seem to be made, anyway.
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I live in a small rural town. The mayor is a member of one of the wealthiest families in the area. He owns over half of downtown, tons of real estate in town and surrounding farmland. He said yes to a WalMart Super Center when the vast majority of residents wanted no part of it. His politics are dirty, his campaigns were all smear attacks against his opponents. Over half of the town's population is comprised of Mexican immigrants - the VAST majority illegals. Not only has NOTHING on a local level been done to stop this - it was in fact ENCOURAGED. Most of the registered voters are lower class and lower middle class. To win an election here, you'd have to weather the incumbants smear campaign that he would gladly spend tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars on (some of it from WalMart). While fighting you, he would send the local code enforcement people to your home and business and harrass you that way. Politics is every bit as bad, and every bit as hazardous at the local level as it is at any other level.
There are some good people in local politics in this country, but they're in the minority - and the difference they're making is getting harder to identify. You seem to argue that the "only" hope a little guy has is to make a microscopic difference at the local level - whatever happened to the fiction that "anyone" can grow up to be "President?"

Oh - that's right ... IT'S FICTION.

But - since they're a bunch of egotistical, self-absorbed, narcissistic, self-congratulatory maniacs, there's actually lots of reasons to think they just might.

So I still have hope for "change," but only as a sideline bystander. I have no desire to be a martyr. (Been there, done that - over-rated experience).


You exaggerate. It doesn't take matrydom to change things.
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Martin Luther King - and don't tell me you think he was taken out by a "lone" assassin. That argument doesn't hold water anymore.

There's a threshold of "effectiveness" - and anyone who passes that threshold will win themselves a date with a contracted "jackel".

Think Sonny Bono.

You can do it with your head, your hands, speaking, teaching, and learning.

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And every word now gets recorded, indexed, catalogued and made available for any agency to access in seconds. Have you even read 1984?

It's just that often those changes don't have the dramatic effects people want to see.

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I'll agree with THAT one! Boy, you're really INSPIRING me now!!! This world needs DRAMATIC change, but you're essentially saying there's little chance of that happening.


Streams carve out canyons. It just takes a long, long time.

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Time's just about run out. We certainly don't have a "long, long time."

Yea - "it's up to me" ... LOL.


If not you, who?

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Not you either apparently - as you seem to think there's nothing too "concerning" to be too concerned about.

I have zero "faith" in mankind's ultimate ability to solve it's own problems ... ZERO


A defeatist attitude, and illogical.


Nonsense. It's illogical to think that if David and Goliath had a rematch, that David would win "again". It's "illogical" to assume that the dude wrapped in duck tape is going to prevail against the gang kicking the shit out of him.

Yea - I have a defeatist attitude. I see nothing but DEFEAT all around me.


Then you aren't looking, or you are choosing a particularly dark set of shades to look through. I see miracles every day. I, personally, think it's a better time to be alive than any point in human history.

I mean, really, when would you have rather been alive? Name the century, and why.

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I see miracles everyday as well. Funny how your approach to "helping me" basically encompasses "lowering my sights".
Maybe, if more people saw the TRUE EXTENT of the disease, there "might" be hope - but with dudes like you WHITE WASHING everything, everyday, ALL THE TIME, the true extent is not appreciated by the casual observer. They're too busy "lowering thier sights," "counting thier blessings," and standing at intersections selling Tootsie Rolls for kids in wheel chairs. In the meantime, ROME BURNS.

But you know - you're right. It's pointless to look at the big picture. It's beyond my grasp, OUR grasp apparently.

"I *love* Big Brother".



OK, maybe "zero" is a bit of an exaggeration. Let's say I'm EXTREMELY PERSUADED that mankind does not have the ability to solve its own problems.


Ahhh. Interesting. What would persuade you otherwise, then?


At least I can call a SPADE A SPADE. "achingly small steps". That's like bailing a cup of water for every gallon that seeps in. Sorry, but with math like that, sinking is inevitable.


Maybe. I'll bail anyway, in your somewhat banal metaphor. And I will look at ways of slowly, but surely, fixing the "boat."
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"slowly"? - Welcome to FAIL.

And convincing a lot of other people to bail with their cups, as well.
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NOW WE'RE TALKING!! But you're not doing that. Everything you type is aimed at calming not riling. At white-washing, not spot-lighting. You talk in platitudes, not specifics. You show no outrage at ANYTHING. You're just a happy, happy potted plant.

Isn't that wonderful?

How is your alternative of NOT bailing superior?

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Never said it was. I don't present an "alternative", nor advocate that anyone do anything I do or have done or not done I'm just "venting" while we still have the opportunity to do so without severe reprecussions. Though I see that changing VERY SOON now. In fact it's a good bet I've already dug most of my grave, just with the words I've written on this forum over the last three or so years. When "they" come to get me in the middle of the night in the not now distant future, I for one "won't be surprised".

At this stage I see two likely outcomes - the year becomes 1984, the population is steered intentionally toward a cliff and run off it. The elite hide in their bunkers until 90% of the population has perished, and then reclaims the earth as essentially a SLAVE planet with a population around the 500,000,000 they listed on the Georgia Guidestones.


Funny how not SINGLE debunker addresses this possibility. VERY TELLING.

I think it's a fairly pointless possibility to address. Your either-or fallacy still stands above; as you somehow think those are the only two possibilities without addressing literally hundreds of others. But, I will indulge you, if only a bit.

You want a much, much scarier alternative to the scenarios you suggest? The one I believe might truly keep our elected leaders awake? The one the elite would NEVER want you to know or consider?

It's this:

They don't know any more than you do.

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Nonsense - The NSA doesn't know "more" than I do.

ABSURD on it's face.

That's the big secret "they" don't want people to think about. That those in the so-called 'elite' are as clueless, blind, lost, surprised, and confused as the rest of the population. They do their best to control situations that are, by their very nature, uncontrollable, they try to shape the language and the debate, but they are as stuck on this roller coaster ride called life as any of the rest of us. The control you ascribe to certain individuals is an illuison at best. "They" still die from the diseases that claim the rest of us. "They" still die in accidents like the rest of us. "They" worry as much about their lives as we do about ours. "They" just aren't that different.

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So what you're saying is KNOWLEDGE really isn't POWER after all. That's a very interesting perspective, and one that would evoke much laughter in other settings.

No they have KNOWLEDGE and they have POWER. What I HOPE they lack is the wisdom to use it effectively enough to achieve their nefarious ends.

Oh - but you'd argue they have no "nefarious" ends. They're just ordinary folks like you and me.

Heh.

They have no more idea what the world will look like in a century than you do. Some might have access to a lot of interesting intel, but as we continually see, it doesn't seem to amount to much.

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Oh contraire. I see tyranny growing BY THE DAY. And a lot more people do now as well. "Interesting intel" has made that possible.

They still blunder grandly, as do the rest of us -- except their blunders are national news.

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I'll agree with you THERE. In fact, their "blundering" is about the ONLY hope we have left to avoid the final victory of "Big Brother". But so far I don't see too many missteps.

I don't think there *are* any bunkers for the elite to hide in, because, frankly, I think none of them had the foresight, or wanted to go to such an expense that won't pay guaranteed dividends, to put such Noah's Arks together any more than *you* did. If they had, we'd have CASINOS in orbit, to keep the rich safe. We don't. None want to spend the money.

They DON'T know. They DON'T have a plan. They DON'T have secret information about the future of our species. Their attempts at manipulation FAIL. Your guess is as good as THEIR guess.

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ROTFLMAO!! The evidence for MASSIVE underground installations all over the world is overwhelming. It's in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD. As for the CASINOS in orbit, do you think the Rockefellers "gamble" at Casinos? Hell - they OWN the Casinos. And why do you think that if they had built Casinos in space, that we'd even know about them?

So I will continue, in my achingly small way, to make the difference I can to the people around me.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Yep - keep those sights LOW. And keep encouraging others to continue to lower thiers more and more and more.

Hey - it's WHAT YOU DO!! (Probably get paid for it too!)


I'll continue to discuss and learn and wonder, and hopefully encourage others to do the same.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Learn "what"? That there are no aliens, Big Brother, chemtrails etc, etc. And that lemon juice is an acid and zero is not divisible? Your "wonder" is very limited, very channeled ... VERY ***SAFE***.

And, in doing so, live the best life I can with the knowledge, rules, and beliefs I have decided to adopt, and perhaps some of those rules, beliefs and knowledge will influence others positively.

Again, do you have a superior alternative? Certainly hoping an inbound planet will kill 5.4 billion of us isn't nearly as constructive...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


It would be better than "1984".

(Have you read it? - or maybe it was mysteriously deleted off of you Kindle like it was for so many others)

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I'll continue to ..... learn ......., and hopefully encourage others to do the same.

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Muahuahuhuahuuhauhhahhhhhhh!

That was a good one......perhaps you have to start to learn how to learn to learn, but as i already said i see littlch chnace of success even with vaild help from knowing staff......

and besides, be assured others do NOT neet your encouragement or example.

Still time to reconsider, didnt you learn from your recent dailure ? nearly two thirs of the time have gone since i knowinglly hold the ticking clock under your nose.

All the time you have been continuously woowooing and terrorizing the world with your utter bullshit. Do you relaay believe learning is an issue for you ?

Its insight what you are what you need !


Reminder for Nancy to think about a valid answer for her 2012 non-show since Nov 11, 2008.
737 days gone, 409 days to go until Nancys final failure (at 1.1.2012)
Nancy backpedalled first on July4th, 2009. ("Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003. Could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??") -"SOZT This is within the realm of possibility. EOZT"
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 4 (Page 5)
Nancy backpedalled second at July 18, 2009." As we have stated repeatedly, almost weekly, we will give NO indication of a timeline. "
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 18 (Page 2)
Discussionthread about previous link ;-)
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Nancy backpedalled third at August 22, 2009. "NO time frame details can be relayed, period. But…... " (p 3), (White lie again) Nancytalk "this was admitted as entirely plausible in a recent chat. Check the chat archives", "Sattelite move whithin atmosphere" (somewhere),
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 22 (Page 3)
Nancy backpedalled fourt at 5th Spt 09, SOZT ….It is still theoretically possible for a passage to cause nothing more than high tides and strong earthquakes…." EOZT, p3
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So there's a slight shitstorm on the poleshift ning. A Norwegian guy posted a picture of a lens flare to the left of the sun. Nancy responded saying that Planet X should be to the right of the sun, but because the Earth is wobbling around it would appear to the left so the image is genuinely Nibiru.

Of course even the people on the ning realize that this is geometrically impossible, and some of them even tried to call her out on it in the comments. They're trying pretty hard not to get banhammered while doing it but I think the ning will be short a few members by the time the dust settles.

Starts here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]
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So there's a slight shitstorm on the poleshift ning. A Norwegian guy posted a picture of a lens flare to the left of the sun. Nancy responded saying that Planet X should be to the right of the sun, but because the Earth is wobbling around it would appear to the left so the image is genuinely Nibiru.

Of course even the people on the ning realize that this is geometrically impossible, and some of them even tried to call her out on it in the comments. They're trying pretty hard not to get banhammered while doing it but I think the ning will be short a few members by the time the dust settles.

Starts here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Now Nancy is backpedaling furiously! the flare is in front of trees and quite obviously a lens flare. Woops, caught again!
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So there's a slight shitstorm on the poleshift ning. A Norwegian guy posted a picture of a lens flare to the left of the sun. Nancy responded saying that Planet X should be to the right of the sun, but because the Earth is wobbling around it would appear to the left so the image is genuinely Nibiru.

Of course even the people on the ning realize that this is geometrically impossible, and some of them even tried to call her out on it in the comments. They're trying pretty hard not to get banhammered while doing it but I think the ning will be short a few members by the time the dust settles.

Starts here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]


Now Nancy is backpedaling furiously! the flare is in front of trees and quite obviously a lens flare. Woops, caught again!
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Nah, the ning comments read backwards. She originally thought it was a lens flare but changed her mind.
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So there's a slight shitstorm on the poleshift ning. A Norwegian guy posted a picture of a lens flare to the left of the sun. Nancy responded saying that Planet X should be to the right of the sun, but because the Earth is wobbling around it would appear to the left so the image is genuinely Nibiru.

Of course even the people on the ning realize that this is geometrically impossible, and some of them even tried to call her out on it in the comments. They're trying pretty hard not to get banhammered while doing it but I think the ning will be short a few members by the time the dust settles.

Starts here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]


Now Nancy is backpedaling furiously! the flare is in front of trees and quite obviously a lens flare. Woops, caught again!
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Nancy will produce another thick layer of pure BS, but say it so dramatically and self-assured that none of them will dare to challenge it. It's all about the presentation. She could say anything, anything at all and most of them would quietly acquiesce.
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Comment by Petra Faile 1 day ago

"Wow Bjorn no eyedoctor needed :) if Nancy say it is PX .IT IS ...NOW I hope I can see it also overhere for 4 years I'am waiting to see the red destroyer..I believed it from the start all the time !!and meet a lot of people who say Iám nuts there is no 12th planet second sun...so today Bjorn you made me very happy again to see the pic :)THX"
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So there's a slight shitstorm on the poleshift ning. A Norwegian guy posted a picture of a lens flare to the left of the sun. Nancy responded saying that Planet X should be to the right of the sun, but because the Earth is wobbling around it would appear to the left so the image is genuinely Nibiru.

Of course even the people on the ning realize that this is geometrically impossible, and some of them even tried to call her out on it in the comments. They're trying pretty hard not to get banhammered while doing it but I think the ning will be short a few members by the time the dust settles.

Starts here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]
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I love how the poster claims that it isn't an optical illusion because he saw it with his own two eyes. Come on! If there were really two suns in the sky like that...there wouldn't be a person on planet that wouldn't have noticed and be talking about it. Naturally, most of the idiots over at the ning don't think about these things (in fact, they just don't think) and tend to believe whatever queen Nancy tells them. Case in point...Petra posted "if Nancy says it is PX. IT IS." And Astrogal50's comment is hilarious. She says that one of the experts will respond but the only way to know for sure is to ask the "Zetas." LOL!! The stupid is truly strong over there.

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So there's a slight shitstorm on the poleshift ning. A Norwegian guy posted a picture of a lens flare to the left of the sun. Nancy responded saying that Planet X should be to the right of the sun, but because the Earth is wobbling around it would appear to the left so the image is genuinely Nibiru.

Of course even the people on the ning realize that this is geometrically impossible, and some of them even tried to call her out on it in the comments. They're trying pretty hard not to get banhammered while doing it but I think the ning will be short a few members by the time the dust settles.

Starts here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]

I love how the poster claims that it isn't an optical illusion because he saw it with his own two eyes. Come on! If there were really two suns in the sky like that...there wouldn't be a person on planet that wouldn't have noticed and be talking about it. Naturally, most of the idiots over at the ning don't think about these things (in fact, they just don't think) and tend to believe whatever queen Nancy tells them. Case in point...Petra posted "if Nancy says it is PX. IT IS." And Astrogal50's comment is hilarious. She says that one of the experts will respond but the only way to know for sure is to ask the "Zetas." LOL!! The stupid is truly strong over there.
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"if Nancy says it is PX. IT IS."

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Nah, the ning comments read backwards.

That's why I hardly ever bother looking at it. It's too
annoying to read a blog or a discussion board that way.
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The funny thing is the forum threads read normally, it's only the blog entry comments that are backwards. Of course they look exactly the same in terms of visual style, so it's easy to forget which way it goes until you read the time and date stamps.
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Comment by Petra Faile 2 hours ago

Hi Bjorn you find your way around here on the ning...no date is been given only that the 21-12-2012 is not right
and prepare yourself Bjorn...when the EU tsuanmi will take place your country will also have problems...
I move out Holland on 1-2-2011 to go to Spains highlands.....I have to leave my country Staying here is no option. greetz Petra
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Zetatalk doesn't disrupt lives? Think again:

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Comment by Petra Faile 2 hours ago

Hi Bjorn you find your way around here on the ning...no date is been given only that the 21-12-2012 is not right
and prepare yourself Bjorn...when the EU tsuanmi will take place your country will also have problems...
I move out Holland on 1-2-2011 to go to Spains highlands.....I have to leave my country Staying here is no option. greetz Petra
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Irony of last name noted.
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Comment by Petra Faile 2 hours ago

Hi Bjorn you find your way around here on the ning...no date is been given only that the 21-12-2012 is not right
and prepare yourself Bjorn...when the EU tsuanmi will take place your country will also have problems...
I move out Holland on 1-2-2011 to go to Spains highlands.....I have to leave my country Staying here is no option. greetz Petra
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And she has a young son.
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The involvement of children in these delusions is my pet peeve. If I have helped to prevent the displacement of just one child during all these years then it is worth it.

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