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When did the Earthchanges ning open its doors up to the general public???


Did it?

[link to earthchanges.ning.com]

well its open to me and I didn't bother signing up...

[link to earthchanges.ning.com]

its interesting that apparently they have `found planet X',, and have enough data to tell that it has 9 planets, will be here early next year and has `several large moons, larger than ours'

so obviously they should be able to give coordinates so that southern hemisphere peoples should be able to see it for themselves (it conveniently is `below the ecliptic' and so cant be seen from the northern hemisphere)

oh and the wobble/ earth lean is increasing as well
 Quoting: aussie 763624 763624


From that second link:

"The Earth's tilt is currently at 19.5 degrees, from the norm of 23.5 degrees"

Where do they GET crap like that? I am NOT willing to wade through that place to find out!
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and Nancy did not 'reschedule' the start of 7 of 10:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

emphasising once again the end of 2010...
 Quoting: andrew


I screwed up the quote before. Ning quote:


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"Zetas said at last chat: One of the events that was presented in the holographic presentation that Nancy attended last November will surely occur "(this year). Does it means we will go to 7 this year? Yes."

5/15/2010 "The 7 of 10, which we said would occur by the end of 2010, will include one or more of the disasters that Nancy was presented with during her November, 2009 holographic presentation."

6/19/2010 "We were only allowed to state that one or more of the plate movements described would happen by the end of 2010, when a 7 of 10 would have arrived, and that a 7 of 10 would shock the world.”

*********************

So... there it is... Going to a "7" will mean an event which will "SHOCK THE WORLD", and it will happen BY THE END OF 2010.

Just so we're clear, Andrew... has such an event already happened this year or not? I don't want you backpedalling later to claim something previous to now was it.
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Of course we have learned that anytime "Zetas" say something like: "...which we said would occur..." it is meaningless, because they can easily just claim later that the had their fingers crossed.
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From that second link:

"The Earth's tilt is currently at 19.5 degrees, from the norm of 23.5 degrees"

Where do they GET crap like that? I am NOT willing to wade through that place to find out!
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


I'd like to know how they take their measurements to come up with that angle. I dare someone to ask them what their methodology was and what equipment they used to determine this.
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Of course we have learned that anytime "Zetas" say something like: "...which we said would occur..." it is meaningless, because they can easily just claim later that the had their fingers crossed.
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Or pick any event, no matter how small, and claim they predicted it.
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When did the Earthchanges ning open its doors up to the general public???


Did it?

[link to earthchanges.ning.com]

well its open to me and I didn't bother signing up...

[link to earthchanges.ning.com]

its interesting that apparently they have `found planet X',, and have enough data to tell that it has 9 planets, will be here early next year and has `several large moons, larger than ours'

so obviously they should be able to give coordinates so that southern hemisphere peoples should be able to see it for themselves (it conveniently is `below the ecliptic' and so cant be seen from the northern hemisphere)

oh and the wobble/ earth lean is increasing as well


From that second link:

"The Earth's tilt is currently at 19.5 degrees, from the norm of 23.5 degrees"

Where do they GET crap like that? I am NOT willing to wade through that place to find out!
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


Here is the full source quote for that:

"Reply by Teresa C on September 6, 2010 at 1:21am
I don't think Amy will mind if I post this here. It was posted last night in her discussion in the Catholic Group. I think it is of interest here also. Thanks Amy!



Reply by Amy Evans 23 hours ago
Well, there is more ... we finally made contact with the Spanish Team, and they had a lot to say. We were told that besides the Tilt of the Earth now being at 19.5 degrees, the Earth has developed a Wobble to its Rotation ... and the Stars, the Moon and the Sun are not at the correct points we used to have ... because of the new tilt & wobble. They told use the Monster, as they call it, is not that far below the Ecliptic, and should be here early this next year. They claim, because of new data as it has been approaching, it has Nine Planets, and several large moons that are larger than our Moon. We were also told that this Mini-Solar System will extend well into our system as it goes throug our system somewhere between Jupiter & Saturn. Both of our groups say that as this System approaches the Ecliptic, the gravitational forces of our system will be battling their gravitational forces. One side or the other may well grab something from the other as they go by. The Kolbrin has one entry that tells after one of the encounters, the Earth lost a Moon to this system. I am told that Edgar Cayce told of the Earth having many Moons. There is more, but we are trying to get more information before I post them to any group This is posted by me on 7 groups now, and it is not fun dealing with the questions, but Super Chicken once told his Sidekick Fred: You knew the Job was dagerious before you took the Job! And thats the way it was Stay tuned for the next Chaptor of, As The World Turns"


I have no idea what the "catholic group" is, but maybe somebody wants to track it down?
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OK, I tracked it down. It was a post on sept 5th on that ning. There was no attribution for the post or citation of source or even saying if it was a quote from somebody else. Those people just grasp onto anything they think supports their notions without caring to check it out in any way.

Sigh.
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I have no idea what the "catholic group" is, but maybe somebody wants to track it down?

That would be this small sub group of the ning:
[link to earthchanges.ning.com]
 Quoting: DrPostman


Yeah, I went on to find it, and found that quote, but they don't say why they said it or where it came from. It was just tossed out and accepted as factual, without any question or further comment.
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Typical morons. So, where does this crap of "nine planets" come from? I thought we were supposed to be dealing with one "rogue planet"....not a "rogue solar system." Or are they saying that "Planet X" is bringing nine planets and several moons with it? I mean, this story gets better and better as it goes. I wonder what they'll all be saying by the end of next year when the "monster" fails to show up. I would love to know how they came up with this 19 degree tilt and how they determined that all celestial objects are in the wrong place. Naturally, if you were to ask them and point out that sunrise/sunset times match those of 2000 or even earlier, which wouldn't be possible if the Earth's tilt had changed, or point out that GOTO telescopes can still accurately track objects...they'll go in to denial mode and claim you're a government agent, ban you and delete your post.
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and Nancy did not 'reschedule' the start of 7 of 10:
emphasising once again the end of 2010...


Ning quote:

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[link to poleshift.ning.com] "Zetas said at last chat: One of the events that was presented in the holographic presentation that Nancy attended last November will surely occur "(this year). Does it means we will go to 7 this year? Yes."

5/15/2010 "The 7 of 10, which we said would occur by the end of 2010, will include one or more of the disasters that Nancy was presented with during her November, 2009 holographic presentation."

6/19/2010 "We were only allowed to state that one or more of the plate movements described would happen by the end of 2010, when a 7 of 10 would have arrived, and that a 7 of 10 would shock the world.”


*********************

So... there it is... Going to a "7" will mean an event which will "SHOCK THE WORLD". Just so we're clear, Andrew... has such an event already happened this year or not? I don't want you backpedalling later to claim something previous to now.
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


although there were few instances that could be termed "precursor" events,

surely "nothing up to now qualifies", yes.

(for the record)
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Which means she and the "Zetas" have three weeks for some major event to happen. If it doesn't, it will be another "fail" for Nancy. But I predict she/"they" will pick some otherwise trivial event and claim that's what was predicted. She's done it before.

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and Nancy did not 'reschedule' the start of 7 of 10:
emphasising once again the end of 2010...


Ning quote:

*******************

[link to poleshift.ning.com] "Zetas said at last chat: One of the events that was presented in the holographic presentation that Nancy attended last November will surely occur "(this year). Does it means we will go to 7 this year? Yes."

5/15/2010 "The 7 of 10, which we said would occur by the end of 2010, will include one or more of the disasters that Nancy was presented with during her November, 2009 holographic presentation."

6/19/2010 "We were only allowed to state that one or more of the plate movements described would happen by the end of 2010, when a 7 of 10 would have arrived, and that a 7 of 10 would shock the world.”


*********************

So... there it is... Going to a "7" will mean an event which will "SHOCK THE WORLD". Just so we're clear, Andrew... has such an event already happened this year or not? I don't want you backpedalling later to claim something previous to now.


although there were few instances that could be termed "precursor" events,

surely "nothing up to now qualifies", yes.

(for the record)
 Quoting: andrew


Except that I think Nancy is claiming that the Indoesian plate has already "sunk" in talking about flooding there. I think she is going to claim that as a "hit" on her prediction for 7 of 10 in 2010.
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Typical morons. So, where does this crap of "nine planets" come from? I thought we were supposed to be dealing with one "rogue planet"....not a "rogue solar system." Or are they saying that "Planet X" is bringing nine planets and several moons with it? I mean, this story gets better and better as it goes. I wonder what they'll all be saying by the end of next year when the "monster" fails to show up. I would love to know how they came up with this 19 degree tilt and how they determined that all celestial objects are in the wrong place. Naturally, if you were to ask them and point out that sunrise/sunset times match those of 2000 or even earlier, which wouldn't be possible if the Earth's tilt had changed, or point out that GOTO telescopes can still accurately track objects...they'll go in to denial mode and claim you're a government agent, ban you and delete your post.
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I have no idea where that passage originated. I tried to google the first line or so and got no hits.
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and Nancy did not 'reschedule' the start of 7 of 10:
emphasising once again the end of 2010...


Ning quote:

*******************

[link to poleshift.ning.com] "Zetas said at last chat: One of the events that was presented in the holographic presentation that Nancy attended last November will surely occur "(this year). Does it means we will go to 7 this year? Yes."

5/15/2010 "The 7 of 10, which we said would occur by the end of 2010, will include one or more of the disasters that Nancy was presented with during her November, 2009 holographic presentation."

6/19/2010 "We were only allowed to state that one or more of the plate movements described would happen by the end of 2010, when a 7 of 10 would have arrived, and that a 7 of 10 would shock the world.”


*********************

So... there it is... Going to a "7" will mean an event which will "SHOCK THE WORLD". Just so we're clear, Andrew... has such an event already happened this year or not? I don't want you backpedalling later to claim something previous to now.


although there were few instances that could be termed "precursor" events,

surely "nothing up to now qualifies", yes.

(for the record)


Except that I think Nancy is claiming that the Indoesian plate has already "sunk" in talking about flooding there. I think she is going to claim that as a "hit" on her prediction for 7 of 10 in 2010.
 Quoting: Menow 1119283


but, hey, this could be easily verified - there are 'guidelines' - sinking is supposed to be 80 feet at the southern tip of indonesian microplate and something around 30-40 feet in the middle.

that's no small thing
and if THAT happens it would certainly "shock the world" - many cities and islands virtually disappearing under waters.
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Nancy has certainly led people to belive that something BIG will happen by the end of this year. Ning quote:

"Leon the counting many members are doing..has to do with the 7/10 prediction.
The Zetas predicted that we will be at a 7/10 by year end.. and that it will be something that will shock the world. Please read the FAQ , to find out what the 7/10 is."


On the other hand, I believe Nancy is already trying to weasel out of that firm prediction. I think she is going to say something which qualifies has already happened.
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and Nancy did not 'reschedule' the start of 7 of 10:
emphasising once again the end of 2010...


Ning quote:

*******************

[link to poleshift.ning.com] "Zetas said at last chat: One of the events that was presented in the holographic presentation that Nancy attended last November will surely occur "(this year). Does it means we will go to 7 this year? Yes."

5/15/2010 "The 7 of 10, which we said would occur by the end of 2010, will include one or more of the disasters that Nancy was presented with during her November, 2009 holographic presentation."

6/19/2010 "We were only allowed to state that one or more of the plate movements described would happen by the end of 2010, when a 7 of 10 would have arrived, and that a 7 of 10 would shock the world.”


*********************

So... there it is... Going to a "7" will mean an event which will "SHOCK THE WORLD". Just so we're clear, Andrew... has such an event already happened this year or not? I don't want you backpedalling later to claim something previous to now.


although there were few instances that could be termed "precursor" events,

surely "nothing up to now qualifies", yes.

(for the record)


Except that I think Nancy is claiming that the Indoesian plate has already "sunk" in talking about flooding there. I think she is going to claim that as a "hit" on her prediction for 7 of 10 in 2010.


but, hey, this could be easily verified - there are 'guidelines' - sinking is supposed to be 80 feet at the southern tip of indonesian microplate and something around 30-40 feet in the middle.

that's no small thing
and if THAT happens it would certainly "shock the world" - many cities and islands virtually disappearing under waters.
 Quoting: andrew


Nancy "verifies" things in whatever why she chooses. You don't get a say in it. Remember the airliner in an "inland lake" even though there were no such lakes withing reach? Nancy pronounces her own "hits" and modifies reality to suit. Any who question her on that will be banished.
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unless something like this happens - ie permanent sinking into seawater by 30 to 80 feet of [coastal and low] parts of Indonesia - it couldnt be called a "hit".

and Nancy also said that this will not be likely accompanied by big earthquakes, - slow and silent slip of that microplate
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unless something like this happens - ie permanent sinking into seawater by 30 to 80 feet of [coastal and low] parts of Indonesia - it couldnt be called a "hit".

and Nancy also said that this will not be likely accompanied by big earthquakes, - slow and silent slip of that microplate
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What will it mean to you if the 7 doesn't happen by the end of the year?
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unless something like this happens - ie permanent sinking into seawater by 30 to 80 feet of [coastal and low] parts of Indonesia - it couldnt be called a "hit".

and Nancy also said that this will not be likely accompanied by big earthquakes, - slow and silent slip of that microplate

What will it mean to you if the 7 doesn't happen by the end of the year?
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well, this wouldnt mean that EVERYTHING she/they said is wrong.

they couldnt have been more specific re 7 by the end of 2010, about timing and events and reiterating again and again when asked that it will happen in 2010.

If that fails to happen it would mean big trouble for ZT and our members will be disappointed.

however, i wouldnt exclude this "7" happening later, if this doesnt happen in 2010.
relying on ANY dates is tricky, it could even have been Nancy's misinterpretation, who knows?
important thing is to watch the actual developments, monitor eq's and weather/climate etc.

if it is to happen, - it will happen in due time
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unless something like this happens - ie permanent sinking into seawater by 30 to 80 feet of [coastal and low] parts of Indonesia - it couldnt be called a "hit".

and Nancy also said that this will not be likely accompanied by big earthquakes, - slow and silent slip of that microplate

What will it mean to you if the 7 doesn't happen by the end of the year?


well, this wouldnt mean that EVERYTHING she/they said is wrong.

they couldnt have been more specific re 7 by the end of 2010, about timing and events and reiterating again and again when asked that it will happen in 2010.

If that fails to happen it would mean big trouble for ZT and our members will be disappointed.

however, i wouldnt exclude this "7" happening later, if this doesnt happen in 2010.
relying on ANY dates is tricky, it could even have been Nancy's misinterpretation, who knows?
important thing is to watch the actual developments, monitor eq's and weather/climate etc.

if it is to happen, - it will happen in due time
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So, if that is not enough to shake your faith in Nancy, what is?

What event has to occur for you to change your mind, and conclude that Nancy/ZT is simply a lot of hooey?
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unless something like this happens - ie permanent sinking into seawater by 30 to 80 feet of [coastal and low] parts of Indonesia - it couldnt be called a "hit".

and Nancy also said that this will not be likely accompanied by big earthquakes, - slow and silent slip of that microplate

What will it mean to you if the 7 doesn't happen by the end of the year?


well, this wouldnt mean that EVERYTHING she/they said is wrong.

they couldnt have been more specific re 7 by the end of 2010, about timing and events and reiterating again and again when asked that it will happen in 2010.

If that fails to happen it would mean big trouble for ZT and our members will be disappointed.

however, i wouldnt exclude this "7" happening later, if this doesnt happen in 2010.
relying on ANY dates is tricky, it could even have been Nancy's misinterpretation, who knows?
important thing is to watch the actual developments, monitor eq's and weather/climate etc.

if it is to happen, - it will happen in due time
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Andrew...lets be brutally honest.

This "7 of 10" event will not happen by the end of the year and you will continue to buy into this crap despite of it being another epic fail. This is cult dynamics...this is how they operate. We have watched this happen year after year without fail. It is clear that you are unwilling to let go of your delusion.
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well, this wouldnt mean that EVERYTHING she/they said is wrong.

they couldnt have been more specific re 7 by the end of 2010, about timing and events and reiterating again and again when asked that it will happen in 2010.

If that fails to happen it would mean big trouble for ZT and our members will be disappointed.

however, i wouldnt exclude this "7" happening later, if this doesnt happen in 2010.
relying on ANY dates is tricky, it could even have been Nancy's misinterpretation, who knows?
important thing is to watch the actual developments, monitor eq's and weather/climate etc.

if it is to happen, - it will happen in due time



So, if that is not enough to shake your faith in Nancy, what is?

What event has to occur for you to change your mind, and conclude that Nancy/ZT is simply a lot of hooey?
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climate,and other Earth changes have to stop, for good, so that it is a thing of the past.
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So, if that is not enough to shake your faith in Nancy, what is?

What event has to occur for you to change your mind, and conclude that Nancy/ZT is simply a lot of hooey?


climate,and other Earth changes have to stop, for good, so that it is a thing of the past.
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They haven't ceased for 4 billion years. Why would you expect change to stop now?
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Why does it occur to me that this 7 of 10 by years end is destined to become another Christmas Hammer debacle for Nancy? It's been two years since that failed prediction. I remember she tried so desperately to find something to fit her prediction and ended up stretching the window to the spring. Nancy should learn to not give dates or add a pray it away clause to her doom cult to prevent the need for more white lies. The few followers she has left won't believe the white lies and failed predictions forever.
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Andrew...lets be brutally honest.

This "7 of 10" event will not happen by the end of the year and you will continue to buy into this crap despite of it being another epic fail. This is cult dynamics...this is how they operate. We have watched this happen year after year without fail. It is clear that you are unwilling to let go of your delusion.
 Quoting: Setheory 869850


you may want to call it this way..

of course, i will not erupt with indignation and deny what i stood up for before.

what would be the point?

it is a theory worth considering, at least, and i will not abandon it.

i will continue to be with ZetaTalk and Nancy.
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Why does it occur to me that this 7 of 10 by years end is destined to become another Christmas Hammer debacle for Nancy? It's been two years since that failed prediction. I remember she tried so desperately to find something to fit her prediction and ended up stretching the window to the spring. Nancy should learn to not give dates or add a pray it away clause to her doom cult to prevent the need for more white lies. The few followers she has left won't believe the white lies and failed predictions forever.
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7 of 10 IS about the Christmas Hammer! that article from 2007 was about what is anticipated now - "7" of 10!
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So, if that is not enough to shake your faith in Nancy, what is?

What event has to occur for you to change your mind, and conclude that Nancy/ZT is simply a lot of hooey?


climate,and other Earth changes have to stop, for good, so that it is a thing of the past.


They haven't ceased for 4 billion years. Why would you expect change to stop now?
 Quoting: Setheory 869850


on a smaller scale
change as compared with 50 years ago, even 30-40 years ago.

since that time things have changed alot, no more precisely, they started to change back then.

they were pretty consistent then and started to rapidly and INCREASINGLY change some 30-40 years ago.
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you may want to call it this way..

of course, i will not erupt with indignation and deny what i stood up for before.

what would be the point?

it is a theory worth considering, at least, and i will not abandon it.

i will continue to be with ZetaTalk and Nancy.
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That's an interesting way of phrasing it... "I will not abandon it... I will continue to be with ZetaTalk and Nancy." It sounds like the sort of thing you'd say about a spouse dying from cancer, not someone who channels aliens over the internet.
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Andrew...lets be brutally honest.

This "7 of 10" event will not happen by the end of the year and you will continue to buy into this crap despite of it being another epic fail. This is cult dynamics...this is how they operate. We have watched this happen year after year without fail. It is clear that you are unwilling to let go of your delusion.


you may want to call it this way..

of course, i will not erupt with indignation and deny what i stood up for before.

what would be the point?

it is a theory worth considering, at least, and i will not abandon it.i will continue to be with ZetaTalk and Nancy.
 Quoting: andrew


This is the whole point of the matter. When a theory or concept is continually proven to fail or is prone to inaccuracies, it should be abandoned. Your unwillingness to alter the beliefs you hold in spite of the overwhelming evidence that they are flawed is proof of your affliction.

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