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Perhaps - but ANYONE with the slightest knowledge of how nuclear plants work KNOW that ***RUNNING WATER*** is ***CRITICAL*** to prevent rod meltdowns. In a region such as this, plants should be sitting next to manmade LAKES and they should have five or six ways to pump the water to the rods - from diesal pumps to HAND ONES.

One of these:

[link to www.cleanairgardening.com]

pumps 40 - 90 gallons a minute. You get 100 people manning 20 of these with 2 inch hoses and you've got enough running water to avoid catastrophe.

INEXCUSABLE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And this plant is next to the ocean. Plenty of water there. The problem is that because of earthquake damage, there's no power to the pumping mechanisms. Why they didn't have more back ups in place is unknown. But that has nothing to do with science...it has EVERYTHING to do with poor planning and poor decision making.
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Perhaps - but ANYONE with the slightest knowledge of how nuclear plants work KNOW that ***RUNNING WATER*** is ***CRITICAL*** to prevent rod meltdowns. In a region such as this, plants should be sitting next to manmade LAKES and they should have five or six ways to pump the water to the rods - from diesal pumps to HAND ONES.

One of these:

[link to www.cleanairgardening.com]

pumps 40 - 90 gallons a minute. You get 100 people manning 20 of these with 2 inch hoses and you've got enough running water to avoid catastrophe.

INEXCUSABLE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And this plant is next to the ocean. Plenty of water there. The problem is that because of earthquake damage, there's no power to the pumping mechanisms. Why they didn't have more back ups in place is unknown. But that has nothing to do with science...it has EVERYTHING to do with poor planning and poor decision making.
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You cannot put saltwater on a nuclear reaction - salt is one to the most radiation absorbing substances known to man. The salinated steam resulting from the use of saltwater for cooling would be simply beyond toxic and would only serve to heighten the danger.

The fatal human flaw has been identified, and it is called the "NORMALCY BIAS". People base most of their decisions on this outlook, and simply failed to provide for the adequate backup because ... well ... THEY DON'T HAVE A DOOM MENTALITY like I do. "Optimism" is a CANCER. In the long run it will do more to destroy you than it's opposite. (I said "long run" - obviously too much pessimism short term can be just as debilitating). Normalcy bias is the reason there was inadquate backup - the key decision makers had such an unrealistic "expectation" of disaster, that they almost discounted it completely. Outside activists account for as much if not more safety precautions as industry insiders. "Not on my watch" is nearly everyone's foolishly INSANE outlook.

Makes me sick to think about it ...

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Not likely. Honesty is not in their vocabulary. Nor is integrity...Max is proof of that.
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Well "science" has failed us again. What's happening in Japan now is no "accident" but rather GROSS - even criminal - NEGLIGENCE. As you silly debunkers point out nauseatingly repeatedly "Japan has earthquakes". Yet they build nuclear power plants to the nines.

Yea - I "trust" human "science" ...

NOT

Clif has been saying diaspora Diaspora DIASPORA for a couple years now. Well NOW it looks like it's going to HAPPEN. Good thing I got a rather large house - I may soon have ALL of my west coast relatives here. All 8 of them.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


So you're a nuclear engineer now commenting on the design of the plant? We'd better notify the IAEA and NRC to inform them of your superior knowledge of nuclear plant design. We'd better call Westinghouse, GE, Toshiba and the rest to offer them your superior knowledge.

The plant designs in Japan are sound. They survived an 8.9 Mw earthquake without the containment buildings getting a single crack in them.

Face it Melfy, you're an idiot with thousands of criticisms yet lacking even a single bit of substance.
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Perhaps - but ANYONE with the slightest knowledge of how nuclear plants work KNOW that ***RUNNING WATER*** is ***CRITICAL*** to prevent rod meltdowns. In a region such as this, plants should be sitting next to manmade LAKES and they should have five or six ways to pump the water to the rods - from diesal pumps to HAND ONES.

One of these:

[link to www.cleanairgardening.com]

pumps 40 - 90 gallons a minute. You get 100 people manning 20 of these with 2 inch hoses and you've got enough running water to avoid catastrophe.

INEXCUSABLE.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And this plant is next to the ocean. Plenty of water there. The problem is that because of earthquake damage, there's no power to the pumping mechanisms. Why they didn't have more back ups in place is unknown. But that has nothing to do with science...it has EVERYTHING to do with poor planning and poor decision making.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You cannot put saltwater on a nuclear reaction - salt is one to the most radiation absorbing substances known to man. The salinated steam resulting from the use of saltwater for cooling would be simply beyond toxic and would only serve to heighten the danger.

The fatal human flaw has been identified, and it is called the "NORMALCY BIAS". People base most of their decisions on this outlook, and simply failed to provide for the adequate backup because ... well ... THEY DON'T HAVE A DOOM MENTALITY like I do. "Optimism" is a CANCER. In the long run it will do more to destroy you than it's opposite. (I said "long run" - obviously too much pessimism short term can be just as debilitating). Normalcy bias is the reason there was inadquate backup - the key decision makers had such an unrealistic "expectation" of disaster, that they almost discounted it completely. Outside activists account for as much if not more safety precautions as industry insiders. "Not on my watch" is nearly everyone's foolishly INSANE outlook.

Makes me sick to think about it ...
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

If the power plant is next to the sea, a big river, or large inland water body it may be done simply by running a large amount of water through the condensers in a single pass and discharging it back into the sea, lake or river a few degrees warmer and without much loss from the amount withdrawn[5]. That is the simplest method. The water may be salt or fresh. Some small amount of evaporation will occur off site due to the water being a few degrees warmer.
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You cannot put saltwater on a nuclear reaction - salt is one to the most radiation absorbing substances known to man. The salinated steam resulting from the use of saltwater for cooling would be simply beyond toxic and would only serve to heighten the danger.

The fatal human flaw has been identified, and it is called the "NORMALCY BIAS". People base most of their decisions on this outlook, and simply failed to provide for the adequate backup because ... well ... THEY DON'T HAVE A DOOM MENTALITY like I do. "Optimism" is a CANCER. In the long run it will do more to destroy you than it's opposite. (I said "long run" - obviously too much pessimism short term can be just as debilitating). Normalcy bias is the reason there was inadquate backup - the key decision makers had such an unrealistic "expectation" of disaster, that they almost discounted it completely. Outside activists account for as much if not more safety precautions as industry insiders. "Not on my watch" is nearly everyone's foolishly INSANE outlook.

Makes me sick to think about it ...
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


And to think just a page back you said that science and human decision were indistinguishable.

Seems you're contradicting yourself.
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[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

If the power plant is next to the sea, a big river, or large inland water body it may be done simply by running a large amount of water through the condensers in a single pass and discharging it back into the sea, lake or river a few degrees warmer and without much loss from the amount withdrawn[5]. That is the simplest method. The water may be salt or fresh. Some small amount of evaporation will occur off site due to the water being a few degrees warmer.
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Max may be right about salt absorbing the radiation but he was dead wrong about the implementation of salt water cooling.
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Not likely. Honesty is not in their vocabulary. Nor is integrity...Max is proof of that.
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Well "science" has failed us again. What's happening in Japan now is no "accident" but rather GROSS - even criminal - NEGLIGENCE. As you silly debunkers point out nauseatingly repeatedly "Japan has earthquakes". Yet they build nuclear power plants to the nines.

Yea - I "trust" human "science" ...

NOT

Clif has been saying diaspora Diaspora DIASPORA for a couple years now. Well NOW it looks like it's going to HAPPEN. Good thing I got a rather large house - I may soon have ALL of my west coast relatives here. All 8 of them.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


So you're a nuclear engineer now commenting on the design of the plant? We'd better notify the IAEA and NRC to inform them of your superior knowledge of nuclear plant design. We'd better call Westinghouse, GE, Toshiba and the rest to offer them your superior knowledge.

The plant designs in Japan are sound. They survived an 8.9 Mw earthquake without the containment buildings getting a single crack in them.

Face it Melfy, you're an idiot with thousands of criticisms yet lacking even a single bit of substance.
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Who cares about the containment building if they can't keep H2O flowing over the rods??? In that case the containment building AT BEST becomes a no-man's land for decades - gee JUST LIKE THREE MILE ISLAND.

You want to see an IDIOT? - look in the MIRROR.
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[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

If the power plant is next to the sea, a big river, or large inland water body it may be done simply by running a large amount of water through the condensers in a single pass and discharging it back into the sea, lake or river a few degrees warmer and without much loss from the amount withdrawn[5]. That is the simplest method. The water may be salt or fresh. Some small amount of evaporation will occur off site due to the water being a few degrees warmer.
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Max may be right about salt absorbing the radiation but he was dead wrong about the implementation of salt water cooling.
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I think the bonehead is confusing sodium and sodium chloride. Sodium is used in fast breeder reactors because it doesn't moderate the nuclear reaction as water does.
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Who cares about the containment building if they can't keep H2O flowing over the rods??? In that case the containment building AT BEST becomes a no-man's land for decades - gee JUST LIKE THREE MILE ISLAND.

You want to see an IDIOT? - look in the MIRROR.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


But you were waving your hands in the air saying the west coast was going to be uninhabitable. Now that it has been pointed out to you that it's unlikely, you're busy spinning this by talking about the immediate area...which we already know would be a dangerous place.

Take your own advise there Max.

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[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

If the power plant is next to the sea, a big river, or large inland water body it may be done simply by running a large amount of water through the condensers in a single pass and discharging it back into the sea, lake or river a few degrees warmer and without much loss from the amount withdrawn[5]. That is the simplest method. The water may be salt or fresh. Some small amount of evaporation will occur off site due to the water being a few degrees warmer.
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Max may be right about salt absorbing the radiation but he was dead wrong about the implementation of salt water cooling.
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I was referring to an EMERGENCY situation where innovative and even primitive methods (like hand pumps) would be utilized. In that case, using salt water would be out of the question. Also - if you were to read CLOSELY, it mentions running salt water through CONDENSERS - much like a radiator. The salt water NEVER TOUCHES THE RODS.

And you call ME an idiot???
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Not likely. Honesty is not in their vocabulary. Nor is integrity...Max is proof of that.
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Well "science" has failed us again. What's happening in Japan now is no "accident" but rather GROSS - even criminal - NEGLIGENCE. As you silly debunkers point out nauseatingly repeatedly "Japan has earthquakes". Yet they build nuclear power plants to the nines.

Yea - I "trust" human "science" ...

NOT

Clif has been saying diaspora Diaspora DIASPORA for a couple years now. Well NOW it looks like it's going to HAPPEN. Good thing I got a rather large house - I may soon have ALL of my west coast relatives here. All 8 of them.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


So you're a nuclear engineer now commenting on the design of the plant? We'd better notify the IAEA and NRC to inform them of your superior knowledge of nuclear plant design. We'd better call Westinghouse, GE, Toshiba and the rest to offer them your superior knowledge.

The plant designs in Japan are sound. They survived an 8.9 Mw earthquake without the containment buildings getting a single crack in them.

Face it Melfy, you're an idiot with thousands of criticisms yet lacking even a single bit of substance.
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Who cares about the containment building if they can't keep H2O flowing over the rods??? In that case the containment building AT BEST becomes a no-man's land for decades - gee JUST LIKE THREE MILE ISLAND.

You want to see an IDIOT? - look in the MIRROR.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


TMI is a no-man's land? They're operating Unit 1 and have a license from the NRC to continue operating it until 2034.
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And you call ME an idiot???
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I was referring to an EMERGENCY situation where innovative and even primitive methods (like hand pumps) would be utilized. In that case, using salt water would be out of the question. Also - if you were to read CLOSELY, it mentions running salt water through CONDENSERS - much like a radiator. The salt water NEVER TOUCHES THE RODS.

And you call ME an idiot???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Then why didn't you say so in the first place. I can't read your mind.

Yes, I'm calling YOU an idiot.

Here's some more information gathered from Yahoo! News:

Although the government spokesman played down fears of radiation leak, the Japanese nuclear agency spokesman Shinji Kinjo acknowledged there were still fears of a meltdown.

A "meltdown" is not a technical term. Rather, it is an informal way of referring to a very serious collapse of a power plant's systems and its ability to manage temperatures.

Yaroslov Shtrombakh, a Russian nuclear expert, said a Chernobyl-style meltdown was unlikely.

"It's not a fast reaction like at Chernobyl," he said. "I think that everything will be contained within the grounds, and there will be no big catastrophe."

In 1986, the Chernobyl nuclear reactor exploded and caught fire, sending a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor — unlike the Fukushima one — was not housed in a sealed container, so there was no way to contain the radiation once the reactor exploded.
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Well "science" has failed us again. What's happening in Japan now is no "accident" but rather GROSS - even criminal - NEGLIGENCE. As you silly debunkers point out nauseatingly repeatedly "Japan has earthquakes". Yet they build nuclear power plants to the nines.

Yea - I "trust" human "science" ...

NOT

Clif has been saying diaspora Diaspora DIASPORA for a couple years now. Well NOW it looks like it's going to HAPPEN. Good thing I got a rather large house - I may soon have ALL of my west coast relatives here. All 8 of them.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


So you're a nuclear engineer now commenting on the design of the plant? We'd better notify the IAEA and NRC to inform them of your superior knowledge of nuclear plant design. We'd better call Westinghouse, GE, Toshiba and the rest to offer them your superior knowledge.

The plant designs in Japan are sound. They survived an 8.9 Mw earthquake without the containment buildings getting a single crack in them.

Face it Melfy, you're an idiot with thousands of criticisms yet lacking even a single bit of substance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291684


Who cares about the containment building if they can't keep H2O flowing over the rods??? In that case the containment building AT BEST becomes a no-man's land for decades - gee JUST LIKE THREE MILE ISLAND.

You want to see an IDIOT? - look in the MIRROR.
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TMI is a no-man's land? They're operating Unit 1 and have a license from the NRC to continue operating it until 2034.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1291684


TMI is a freakin HUGE facility with multiple reactors. Yes - they started using the "good" one again a few years back. What's your point? The building and immediate area where the problem occurred are still off-limits, and will be for a very long time to come.

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It was extraordinary - just as Clif predicted.
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I was referring to an EMERGENCY situation where innovative and even primitive methods (like hand pumps) would be utilized. In that case, using salt water would be out of the question. Also - if you were to read CLOSELY, it mentions running salt water through CONDENSERS - much like a radiator. The salt water NEVER TOUCHES THE RODS.

And you call ME an idiot???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Then why didn't you say so in the first place. I can't read your mind.

Yes, I'm calling YOU an idiot.

Here's some more information gathered from Yahoo! News:

Although the government spokesman played down fears of radiation leak, the Japanese nuclear agency spokesman Shinji Kinjo acknowledged there were still fears of a meltdown.

A "meltdown" is not a technical term. Rather, it is an informal way of referring to a very serious collapse of a power plant's systems and its ability to manage temperatures.

Yaroslov Shtrombakh, a Russian nuclear expert, said a Chernobyl-style meltdown was unlikely.

"It's not a fast reaction like at Chernobyl," he said. "I think that everything will be contained within the grounds, and there will be no big catastrophe."

In 1986, the Chernobyl nuclear reactor exploded and caught fire, sending a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor — unlike the Fukushima one — was not housed in a sealed container, so there was no way to contain the radiation once the reactor exploded.
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Of course your "normalcy bias" ASSumes that we're done with 8+ earthquakes in Japan for next 200 years, and we can all go back to our video games and American Idol. Will the containment hold if another big one hits???
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You're ASSuming that I'm saying there will be no more large quakes. I'm not saying any such thing. I'm pointing out why your arm waving about the west coast being uninhabitable are unfounded.
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Not likely. Honesty is not in their vocabulary. Nor is integrity...Max is proof of that.
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Well "science" has failed us again. What's happening in Japan now is no "accident" but rather GROSS - even criminal - NEGLIGENCE. As you silly debunkers point out nauseatingly repeatedly "Japan has earthquakes". Yet they build nuclear power plants to the nines.

Yea - I "trust" human "science" ...

NOT

Clif has been saying diaspora Diaspora DIASPORA for a couple years now. Well NOW it looks like it's going to HAPPEN. Good thing I got a rather large house - I may soon have ALL of my west coast relatives here. All 8 of them.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Dumbass, when did anyone here every say that building nuclear plants in highly seismic areas was a good idea? If those plants are there, it isn't the fault of science, but of governments. Big difference. I fail to see how this has anything to do with your previous assertions that the USGS always downgrades quakes. Not man enough to just admit you were wrong, right BridgetMax? I actually saw a clip yesterday where a USGS scientist said that this quake was extraordinary.
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The problem in Japan is a lack of natural resources. So, they have to choose between nuclear power or importing fuels to generate electricity.
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They don't have a lot of choice, but I would think that with so many volcanoes thermoelectric might be an option, like they have in Iceland. Not a fan of nuclear energy but I understand that in some cases it is the only viable option for a country.
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They don't have a lot of choice, but I would think that with so many volcanoes thermoelectric might be an option, like they have in Iceland. Not a fan of nuclear energy but I understand that in some cases it is the only viable option for a country.
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And maybe wind and solar are becoming more viable.
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They don't have a lot of choice, but I would think that with so many volcanoes thermoelectric might be an option, like they have in Iceland. Not a fan of nuclear energy but I understand that in some cases it is the only viable option for a country.
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And maybe wind and solar are becoming more viable.
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I think inevitably we need to change the way we distribute energy for home consumption. Now we have private or public corporations producing and selling to each home. We should be looking at ways to make homes produce a good part of their own energy, each house a little self sufficient source of energy. Houses can use solar power in the seasons where it is viable. Where I am, not viable in the winter where we only get less than 8 hours daylight, but in the summer, we have more than 16 hours of daylight. Simple things like the heat from the dryer vent or the stove could be recycled instead of blowing it outside. Even rain water flowing down gutters could be used to generate power, and don't forget the methane from our waste. If every house could produce some of it's own energy we would need to buy less from the grid. I know there have been innovative inventions at certain universities, but I doubt the big power companies and even governments who need the revenue would be willing to let this happen. Years ago a friend invented a mini waterwheel to generate electricity from rainwater on its way to the gutter, some company bought the patent and has been sitting on it ever since.
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I have nothing against nuclear power. I think we've come a good distance. Think of how many nuclear power plants there are worldwide and compare that to the number of accidents. My main concern is the left over waste. It's unfortunate we can't just shoot it in to deep space or in to the sun. Both of you are right though...thermal, wind and solar are becoming more viable options. Just think about how much electricity would be needed from the grid if every house and building was covered with solar panels. Then, if every home and business complex also had a few wind turbines, that would cut it down a little bit more. There's really no reason why we can't do that now...it's all about money. Most people would rather continue crapping on the planet instead of trying to fix things for future generations.

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Just think about how much electricity would be needed from the grid if every house and building was covered with solar panels. Then, if every home and business complex also had a few wind turbines, that would cut it down a little bit more. There's really no reason why we can't do that now...it's all about money. Most people would rather continue crapping on the planet instead of trying to fix things for future generations.
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Might as well take advantage of all that unused roof space on homes and commercial buildings.
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They have solar cells that look just like roof shingles. You can cover every home with these things. I don't know why home builders aren't doing it with new homes now. Sure, it will add to the price of the home...but the homeowner will see that in savings when their utility bill isn't as high.

The only problem I see with small wind turbines is that a lot of HOA gestapo controlled neighborhoods frown on these types of things.

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The only problem I see with small wind turbines is that a lot of HOA controlled gestapo neighborhoods frown on these types of things.
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By law, HOAs can't ban the small satellite dishes. You'd think that the government could do the same for wind turbines in the interest of clean energy.
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The fatal human flaw has been identified, and it is called the "NORMALCY BIAS". People base most of their decisions on this outlook, and simply failed to provide for the adequate backup because ... well ... THEY DON'T HAVE A DOOM MENTALITY like I do. "Optimism" is a CANCER.
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Really?

Tell me, ZM, do you ever drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in one?
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It's amazing he can sleep at night constantly thinking about doom.
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The fatal human flaw has been identified, and it is called the "NORMALCY BIAS". People base most of their decisions on this outlook, and simply failed to provide for the adequate backup because ... well ... THEY DON'T HAVE A DOOM MENTALITY like I do. "Optimism" is a CANCER.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Really?

Tell me, ZM, do you ever drive a car? Are you ever a passenger in one?
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I don't drive a "car". I own two 4X4's - both with beefy suspensions, skid plates and high clearance. My Blazer "High Rider" was purchased new in 2001 and now has over 105,000 miles on it. I've done almost nothing to it except change oil, and I just put two new rear tires on it. The front tires are still factory original and still have so much tread left, they can easily go another 20-30,000 miles. The decision to own such a vehicle may seem a bit "extreme" since I don't use it for serious off-roading (which is what it was truly built for), but that decision paid off BIG just this winter. I was driving on a snow covered road doing 50 mph when an oncoming truck started creeping over the center lane. I was forced to move right and my right side tires lost traction in what probably was the snow covered shoulder. The vehicle fish tailed and then headed off the road at 45 degree angle into a 4 foot deep drainage ditch. Not fighting the inevitable I decided to steer straight into the ditch - at 50 mph. The Blazer went airborn, but due to my fast reaction it hit the opposite sloping side of the ditch at such an angle that it enabled the vehicle to climb the ditch wall - thanks entirely to the high clearance. I "drove" up the opposite site, regained some control and "decided" I didn't want to remain in the ditch so I turned the other way, drove down into the ditch and up the opposite side and popped out onto the road - going airborne "again" in the process. I headed down the road again and the vehicle felt "fine" - solid. Got home and the only damage was the plastic wheel well flange and some screw supports for the grill and headlight bezel. Otherwise, NORMAL. Even the wheel alignment held up. If I had done that maneuver in an ordinary car, the car would have been TOTALED and both me and my daughter would probably have been injured (or worse). And yes - the Blazer was in 4 wheel drive mode at the time - which enabled me to retain some control throughout the ordeal.

My PESSIMISM saved me - not my "optimism". I was PREPARED for the worst - and as a result survived it physically AND financially when the danger materialized.

SO THERE

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I don't drive a "car". I own two 4X4's - both with beefy suspensions, skid plates and high clearance.
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Still a car. Just a type of car.
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I don't drive a "car". I own two 4X4's - both with beefy suspensions, skid plates and high clearance.
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Still a car. Just a type of car.
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No - a "truck" is not a "car". Though both are "vehicles" if you truly want to split hairs about it.

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I don't drive a "car". I own two 4X4's - both with beefy suspensions, skid plates and high clearance.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Still a car. Just a type of car.
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