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**ZetaMax**

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sighs
so you have evidence of this??
(as if i expect an answer to that from maxipad)
He isnt a `shill' or `parading around as some kind of expert'

but what he is- is a very enthusiastic amateur astronomer (in fact INHO almost professional in the quality of his work) who unlike you and your `utuber' buddies has an interest in astronomy, has studied extensively in his chosen hobby and basically knows a lot about it

and when quite frankly `retarded idiots' come along and make stupid statements about things he knows about- from theory yes (going back THOUSANDS of years) and direct visual observations he will do what I do when things turn up relating to my hobbies- he will try and educate people - even up to and including showing them directly via webcam!!

and on your side we have an unknown entity thats never actually put a single scrap of evidence on the table to support their `theories', that has been caught out many times if not outright lying, then certainly `stretching the truth', whose `prophets' never actually manage to get a single prediction right

shill indeed
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This video says Comet Elenin will pass Earth at only a distance of one quarter of the distance to the sun - or about 23 million miles. ZetaTalk is on record saying the least significant component of the Planet X Complex, will come no closer than 14 million miles. Since the orbit of objects (moons and trash) around PX probably extend out to about 5 million miles, then PX passes at 19 million miles from Earth - according to the Zetas.

The four million mile "difference" in these estimates - ZetaTalk's PX versus Comet Elenin, is NEGLIGABLE in astronomical terms.

Seems Nancy has indeed been WARNING US ALL since 1995.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

on_way zetasbillb
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Did you watch the video?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Did you watch mine? Mine is every bit as true as yours is, and I found it on youtube, so that means it must be worth considering. I mean people only post true shit on youtube. Right?
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


link?
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I think his (Astronut's) lies have caught up with him.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Was THIS tongue-in-cheek? Was this a joke, to you?

I'd really like to know. Or I'd like to see you apologize to him.
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He's not around to accept the apology.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Lovely excuse. Tell you what: pretend he *is* around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


Ah. Ignoring me again, ZM. How telling.
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And you knew he wasn't around when you talked smack behind his back. That's why you did it, because you are a chickenshit. You should apologize to the readers on this thread for posting lies in bad taste about someone you knew was not present. But we all know how hollow your apologies are.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


To be fair, bad things have been said about Nancy even though she's not here. Although, she is a nut case and a failed prophet. That much is true.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


This is true, but Nancy has always known this thread exists and that this is what we do. I would be surprised if she doesn't visit, even if she doesn't, she knows we are here. Astronut doesn't post on this thread, so he wouldn't know if someone was talking bad about him. Big difference.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


You're such a moron.

"The discoverer, Leonid Elenin, estimates that the comet nucleus is 3–4 km in diameter.[6] As of April 2011, the comet is around magnitude 15 (roughly the brightness of Pluto), and the coma (expanding tenuous dust atmosphere) of the comet is estimated to be about 80,000 km in diameter."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to spaceobs.org]

[link to spaceobs.org]
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The four million mile "difference" in these estimates - ZetaTalk's PX versus Comet Elenin, is NEGLIGABLE in astronomical terms.

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


But it isn't negligible in "real world" terms.

Whether it misses by a mile, or 14 million miles, is still a MISS. And, again, it has not perturbed a SINGLE OBJECT from the paths they are predicted ot be on. NOT ONE.

And, of course, PX doesn't exist at all, so it will miss by an infinite amount of miles.
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Seems Nancy has indeed been WARNING US ALL since 1995.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

 Quoting: **ZetaMax**



I could not help but laugh at this one. Nancy, on that link, claims the Earth's rotation has been slowing SINCE 2003! EIGHT YEARS of slowing!

Yet, strangely, the days are precisely the right number of minutes long, and solstices, transits, conjunctions, and eclipses predicted *centuries* ago continue to arrive at the right time, and in the right manner.

Thanks for pointing out yet *more* data that shows how flawed Nancy Lieder's ideas are. Couldn't do it without you, ZM.
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And you knew he wasn't around when you talked smack behind his back. That's why you did it, because you are a chickenshit. You should apologize to the readers on this thread for posting lies in bad taste about someone you knew was not present. But we all know how hollow your apologies are.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


To be fair, bad things have been said about Nancy even though she's not here. Although, she is a nut case and a failed prophet. That much is true.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


This is true, but Nancy has always known this thread exists and that this is what we do. I would be surprised if she doesn't visit, even if she doesn't, she knows we are here. Astronut doesn't post on this thread, so he wouldn't know if someone was talking bad about him. Big difference.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


You're such a moron.

"The discoverer, Leonid Elenin, estimates that the comet nucleus is 3–4 km in diameter.[6] As of April 2011, the comet is around magnitude 15 (roughly the brightness of Pluto), and the coma (expanding tenuous dust atmosphere) of the comet is estimated to be about 80,000 km in diameter."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to spaceobs.org]

[link to spaceobs.org]
 Quoting: bob_909


The word "estimate" is not of little "import". Hey - I hope it is a relatively tiny little dirty snowball. I'd rather go out and make a fortune and live the good life, rather than face a "Pole Shift" head on with little chance of personal survival.

Maybe after I buy Hap his steak, I can return home and FULLY focus on that agenda - something I find VERY hard to do at the moment.
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By mid-summer we should know the true nature of Elenin. Have you given ANY thought to what you will say if it actually turns out to be Planet X in all it's fabled glory???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Nope, because "Planet X" is supposed to be four times larger than Venus...which this comet is clearly not.
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By mid-summer we should know the true nature of Elenin. Have you given ANY thought to what you will say if it actually turns out to be Planet X in all it's fabled glory???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Nope, because "Planet X" is supposed to be four times larger than Venus...which this comet is clearly not.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


"clearly"? Funny how this thing was "discovered" by an amateur - just like in the movie "Deep Impact". But in "Deep Impact", the government already knew about the problem, and the amateur discovery was instead something they knew was inevitable at some point. How likely is it that the "government" really didn't know about Elenin until "only" last December?

Not very.

Until amateurs with amateur equipment can get a REALLY good look at it, we remain "in the dark" about it's true nature and importance. Unfortunately, it's coming up on us from around the SUN - which will make seeing this thing with amateur equipment, difficult at best. Funny how all the "problems" with seeing a hypothetical "Planet X stuck at the sun's ecliptic" come to bear when trying to get a GOOD look at Elenin.

Co-incidence?

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By mid-summer we should know the true nature of Elenin. Have you given ANY thought to what you will say if it actually turns out to be Planet X in all it's fabled glory???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Nope, because "Planet X" is supposed to be four times larger than Venus...which this comet is clearly not.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


"clearly"? Funny how this thing was "discovered" by an amateur - just like in the movie "Deep Impact". But in "Deep Impact", the government already knew about the problem, and the amateur discovery was instead something they knew was inevitable at some point. How likely is it that the "government" really didn't know about Elenin until "only" last December?

Not very.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Sorry -- it is very likely. Astronomy is a discipline that amatuers contribute HUGELY. There are privately owned telescopes by amateurs that rival many professional scopes.

Until amateurs with amateur equipment can get a REALLY good look at it, we remain "in the dark" about it's true nature and importance. Unfortunately, it's coming up on us from around the SUN - which will make seeing this thing with amateur equipment, difficult at best. Funny how all the "problems" with seeing a hypothetical "Planet X stuck at the sun's ecliptic" come to bear when trying to get a GOOD look at Elenin.

Co-incidence?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


The Sydney Stargazers have shots of Elenin less than five days old. They'd have newer ones, but the Moon was too bright.

[link to sydneystargazers.com]

You could learn to use Google yourself, you know.
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By mid-summer we should know the true nature of Elenin. Have you given ANY thought to what you will say if it actually turns out to be Planet X in all it's fabled glory???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Nope, because "Planet X" is supposed to be four times larger than Venus...which this comet is clearly not.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


"clearly"? Funny how this thing was "discovered" by an amateur - just like in the movie "Deep Impact". But in "Deep Impact", the government already knew about the problem, and the amateur discovery was instead something they knew was inevitable at some point. How likely is it that the "government" really didn't know about Elenin until "only" last December?

Not very.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Sorry -- it is very likely. Astronomy is a discipline that amatuers contribute HUGELY. There are privately owned telescopes by amateurs that rival many professional scopes.

Until amateurs with amateur equipment can get a REALLY good look at it, we remain "in the dark" about it's true nature and importance. Unfortunately, it's coming up on us from around the SUN - which will make seeing this thing with amateur equipment, difficult at best. Funny how all the "problems" with seeing a hypothetical "Planet X stuck at the sun's ecliptic" come to bear when trying to get a GOOD look at Elenin.

Co-incidence?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


The Sydney Stargazers have shots of Elenin less than five days old. They'd have newer ones, but the Moon was too bright.

[link to sydneystargazers.com]

You could learn to use Google yourself, you know.
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Hmm - "Sydney" stargazers, deep Southern Hemisphere where Planet X is supposed to be approaching from as well.

From your link:

The set of pictures on the right are simply negative shots which better show the light sources in the area. If you look at the comet itself, you will see that it has a more fuzzy appearance than the stars in the rest of the picture.

We were unable to locate the new location of the comet in today’s picture and this may be because it has moved off out of sight on the left hand edge of the picture…… assuming the picture from the telescope is upside down and the comet was moving from lower right to upper left.

We will try and locate Elenin again in the next 3 or 4 days ……. weather permitting.


I explicitly said GOOD LOOK with amateur equipment. By their own testimony, they are NOT getting a "GOOD" look. If there are days when they can't even find it, then you can't even begin to tell me that they can tell too much about it other than that it is fast moving, and is otherwise an unknown astronomical object that has a "fuzzy" appearance. That "fuzzy" appearance, while expected for a comet, is also a quality attributed to the Planet X complex.

Like I said - it's too early to know anything "for sure".
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With each post Max continues to surprise us with his extreme stupidity and duplicity. Yeah, some pxtards say it is "incoming from the south" (for the past 25 years at least)and only telescopes in the extreme south can see it and others say it is near Orion. Some like Nancy claim both are true. ROFLMAO.
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I am most certainly NOT ZetaMax.

But I may be Bridget. Wait. That means . . .

No wonder I can't find my telescope!

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ZetaMax




PS -- Andrew pick up more lube on the way home, that's a dear. Oh, and another pair of extra-knobby cucumbers. I'm feeling naughty!
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By mid-summer we should know the true nature of Elenin. Have you given ANY thought to what you will say if it actually turns out to be Planet X in all it's fabled glory???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


How does a comet go from being a "dirty snowball" in space to being a full fledged "water world" planet four times larger than Venus that's obscured by a "dust cloud" near the sun? Talk about grasping at straws.
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With each post Max continues to surprise us with his extreme stupidity and duplicity. Yeah, some pxtards say it is "incoming from the south" (for the past 25 years at least)and only telescopes in the extreme south can see it and others say it is near Orion. Some like Nancy claim both are true. ROFLMAO.
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Don't forget...it's also near the sun where it has been for the past 10 years.
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This video says Comet Elenin will pass Earth at only a distance of one quarter of the distance to the sun - or about 23 million miles. ZetaTalk is on record saying the least significant component of the Planet X Complex, will come no closer than 14 million miles. Since the orbit of objects (moons and trash) around PX probably extend out to about 5 million miles, then PX passes at 19 million miles from Earth - according to the Zetas.
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How is C/2010 X1 any more significant than any other comet, for instance, C/2007 W1 that passed Earth at about 0.21005, or 19,525,000 miles, in June of 2008?
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This video says Comet Elenin will pass Earth at only a distance of one quarter of the distance to the sun - or about 23 million miles. ZetaTalk is on record saying the least significant component of the Planet X Complex, will come no closer than 14 million miles. Since the orbit of objects (moons and trash) around PX probably extend out to about 5 million miles, then PX passes at 19 million miles from Earth - according to the Zetas.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

How is C/2010 X1 any more significant than any other comet, for instance, C/2007 W1 that passed Earth at about 0.21005, or 19,525,000 miles, in June of 2008?
 Quoting: Gazmik


If its TRULY a "comet" in the ordinary sense, then its not any more significant. But outside of NASA, and large observatories (which have largely been CLOSED to the public now for quite some time), no one knows for sure how big this thing is, or what constitutes it. In three months, any doubt will be dispelled.
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If its TRULY a "comet" in the ordinary sense, then its not any more significant. But outside of NASA, and large observatories (which have largely been CLOSED to the public now for quite some time), no one knows for sure how big this thing is, or what constitutes it. In three months, any doubt will be dispelled.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

The only people with doubts about it being anything but a comet are the fruitcakes that have tied their "Nibiru" fantasies to just another comet.

When C/2010 X1 passes uneventfully, what's next? Another comet? More lens artifacts in images of the Sun? More cosmic ray hits in SOHO images?
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By mid-summer we should know the true nature of Elenin. Have you given ANY thought to what you will say if it actually turns out to be Planet X in all it's fabled glory???
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


How does a comet go from being a "dirty snowball" in space to being a full fledged "water world" planet four times larger than Venus that's obscured by a "dust cloud" near the sun? Talk about grasping at straws.
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Four times larger than Venus, but 28 times the mass - according to the "Zetas". Ironically, it could be a "water world" according to Clif's "Expando" planet theory. When a molten body cools enough to form a solid mantle, WATER is indeed one of the substances that can be created and start to accumulate on the surface. We appear to see that dynamic in action on Europa and perhaps Titan as well. We know Mars had water in its past. If the Earth has a plasma core, then in reality Earth TOO is a kind of BROWN DWARF - but much smaller and with a much smaller heat signature.

It's amazing how you just assume to KNOW everything!

_absurd
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I explicitly said GOOD LOOK with amateur equipment.

Like I said - it's too early to know anything "for sure".
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Sigh. Please define PRECISELY what you would accept is a "good look," in your oh-so-unique lexicon.

And they seem to know enough about it to accurately establish where it will be on any given night to LOOK...

[link to sydneystargazers.com]

Oh, and might you address my points at the end of the previous page? Thanks so much.
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If its TRULY a "comet" in the ordinary sense, then its not any more significant. But outside of NASA, and large observatories (which have largely been CLOSED to the public now for quite some time), no one knows for sure how big this thing is, or what constitutes it. In three months, any doubt will be dispelled.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

The only people with doubts about it being anything but a comet are the fruitcakes that have tied their "Nibiru" fantasies to just another comet.

When C/2010 X1 passes uneventfully, what's next? Another comet? More lens artifacts in images of the Sun? More cosmic ray hits in SOHO images?
 Quoting: Gazmik


We can revisit this question towards the middle of July, when "everyone" will be free of "doubts".

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But outside of NASA, and large observatories (which have largely been CLOSED to the public now for quite some time), no one knows for sure how big this thing is, or what constitutes it.
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What, precisely, are you talking about regarding supposed closed-to-the-public observatories? Be specific, now.
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Did you watch the video?
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Did you watch mine? Mine is every bit as true as yours is, and I found it on youtube, so that means it must be worth considering. I mean people only post true shit on youtube. Right?
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


link?
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Oh, sorry. I should have remembered that you are too dumb to use the mouse to move back a page or two. It's a very interesting and educational piece from 1977 that supports your theory of a vast conspiracy against humanity led by scientists. When I saw it I was reminded of you.
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Four times larger than Venus, but 28 times the mass - according to the "Zetas".
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Four times larger than the brightest thing in the night sky. Yet completely invisible.

28 times the mass, yet it has hovered between Earth and the Sun for *8* years, defying the most basic gravitational laws. And has had no measurable effect on the motions of any of the inner planets whatsoever.

When does this thing finally become improbable *enough* for you, ZM?

Would you believe, as I asked you years ago, that I have a dragon in my garage?
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We can revisit this question towards the middle of July, when "everyone" will be free of "doubts".
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You mean when the fruitcakes will be free of doubts about one comet? They will just continue on with their delusions. They will continue to believe that there is some evil entity out there coming to destroy us. They will just change the dates.
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I SHOULD have said 'brightest thing in the night sky other than the Moon...

Ah, well. Mea culpa.
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But outside of NASA, and large observatories (which have largely been CLOSED to the public now for quite some time), no one knows for sure how big this thing is, or what constitutes it.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


What, precisely, are you talking about regarding supposed closed-to-the-public observatories? Be specific, now.
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Of course they won't say they're "officially" closed, but YOU or anyone else without the proper credentials/connections can get access to one. The excuse would be, with the curtailment of the space program, and the financial troubles of the universities, scope-time is simply "unavailable" to anyone but specific professionals and hand-picked grad students.
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I SHOULD have said 'brightest thing in the night sky other than the Moon...

Ah, well. Mea culpa.
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And you left out the Sun.

Oops! I missed "night" sky.

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We can revisit this question towards the middle of July, when "everyone" will be free of "doubts".
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You mean when the fruitcakes will be free of doubts about one comet? They will just continue on with their delusions. They will continue to believe that there is some evil entity out there coming to destroy us. They will just change the dates.
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or "move the goal posts?" (Now you know why I wear a football cap)

a_ok

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What, precisely, are you talking about regarding supposed closed-to-the-public observatories? Be specific, now.
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Of course they won't say they're "officially" closed, but YOU or anyone else without the proper credentials/connections can get access to one. The excuse would be, with the curtailment of the space program, and the financial troubles of the universities, scope-time is simply "unavailable" to anyone but specific professionals and hand-picked grad students.
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Ah. Your evidence for this is...?
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I SHOULD have said 'brightest thing in the night sky other than the Moon...

Ah, well. Mea culpa.
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And you left out the Sun.

Oops! I missed "night" sky.
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LOL. THAT one I had thought of.

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