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I've got most of my disaster preps done already for any disaster, that is. And that gives a certain sense of peace.
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He has put two hamburgers into his frigo and has repainted his wooden shelter door...
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to add to the "bunker-debunker opposition" discussion:

ZetaTalk: 2 Camps
Note: written Feb 15, 1998.

As the years leading up to the pole shift pass, a dichotomy of attitudes will develop among those with the capacity to examine the facts. By far the larger segment of humanity will be too busy to notice, as their lives are filled with desperation as it is. Those who have the time to ponder issues and access to the news will fall into two camps.

Those who are courageous and have a logical mind will note the holes in the explanations they are given, discarding Global Warming explanations when they can see that satellites are recording colder air masses and warmer oceans, and discarding Sun Spot explanations when they find their instruments working as before. These individuals will note that with increasing cohesiveness the facts point to an approaching pole shift, and that the only explanation that fits that is a wandering planet making a periodic passage. Thus, a certain percentage of the earth's populace will become aware and allow themselves to contemplate the situations, regardless of what story the establishment tries to feed them. This percentage will increase sharply in the weeks leading into the pole shift.

A far larger group will hear the facts and discard them, with any number of excuses. As the time of the shift nears and the facts even more impelling, they will become more shrill, refusing to deal with the facts or even contemplate them, but rather attacking the messengers. At the same time, these individuals will increasingly cling to what seems to make them secure, whether this be more solid stocks and bonds, more material items, or increasing the use of religious rituals in the hopes that a God will save them. Where their sense of doom is not relieved in this manner, these individuals may turn to drugs and alcohol, sex, distraction in adventure or exhausting sports, or living in the fantasy world that the movies or soap operas on TV provide.

These camps will not be able to communicate with each other, and will find increasingly that they ignore each other. The first camp will find kindred souls to discuss the issues and formulate solutions, dropping the endless arguments that ensue when those in denial are pressed with the facts. The second camp will ridicule the first, as their sober talk and laying out of facts only tends to make them anxious. The two camps will come together only during the last week, when the rotation stops and the constant presence of a reddish object in the sky, rapidly enlarging as the days pass, has made talk of the end of the world a daily conversation. At this point, the first camp will find the second at their doorstep, demanding to be taken in.

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to add to the "bunker-debunker opposition" discussion:

ZetaTalk: 2 Camps
Note: written Feb 15, 1998.

As the years leading up to the pole shift pass, a dichotomy of attitudes will develop among those with the capacity to examine the facts. By far the larger segment of humanity will be too busy to notice, as their lives are filled with desperation as it is. Those who have the time to ponder issues and access to the news will fall into two camps.

Those who are courageous and have a logical mind will note the holes in the explanations they are given, discarding Global Warming explanations when they can see that satellites are recording colder air masses and warmer oceans, and discarding Sun Spot explanations when they find their instruments working as before. These individuals will note that with increasing cohesiveness the facts point to an approaching pole shift, and that the only explanation that fits that is a wandering planet making a periodic passage. Thus, a certain percentage of the earth's populace will become aware and allow themselves to contemplate the situations, regardless of what story the establishment tries to feed them. This percentage will increase sharply in the weeks leading into the pole shift.

A far larger group will hear the facts and discard them, with any number of excuses. As the time of the shift nears and the facts even more impelling, they will become more shrill, refusing to deal with the facts or even contemplate them, but rather attacking the messengers. At the same time, these individuals will increasingly cling to what seems to make them secure, whether this be more solid stocks and bonds, more material items, or increasing the use of religious rituals in the hopes that a God will save them. Where their sense of doom is not relieved in this manner, these individuals may turn to drugs and alcohol, sex, distraction in adventure or exhausting sports, or living in the fantasy world that the movies or soap operas on TV provide.

These camps will not be able to communicate with each other, and will find increasingly that they ignore each other. The first camp will find kindred souls to discuss the issues and formulate solutions, dropping the endless arguments that ensue when those in denial are pressed with the facts. The second camp will ridicule the first, as their sober talk and laying out of facts only tends to make them anxious. The two camps will come together only during the last week, when the rotation stops and the constant presence of a reddish object in the sky, rapidly enlarging as the days pass, has made talk of the end of the world a daily conversation. At this point, the first camp will find the second at their doorstep, demanding to be taken in.

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that silly Nostradamus-Plagiatized bilateral consideration does not help to ignore the Never-once-right and no-sound-explanation an no-px-proof-given aspects.

try harder, and get used to failure.
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Lol at the new debunkers.

You may not be very nice or bright but you've done a great job of showing us what to expect from the STS, in the aftertime.

Keep it up. Like it or not, you serve a purpose.
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Yes - everybode can serve a purpose.

in case of the bunkers indeed little is left, but they still - and convincing - can be used as bad examples.
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a dichotomy of attitudes will develop
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Trying to reduce the equation to "us" versus "them"--typical cult mentality.
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Yeah. And so? Nancy's zetathreads used to be very popular and that argument was used by the cultists as proof that they were right. Now the same model or form is used in the Debunkers thread. What changed? Nothing. You guys seem to be fighting just of power positions. What happened to reason, logic, well made arguments and looking for truth - they were lost in the battle just like they always are.



Pointless. Nancy's followers are immune to reason. All you get if you post sense on a ZetaTalk thread is rabid accusations that you are a paid shill.

This is a much more sane thread.

The 'argument' over ZetaTalk has been won by the debunkers so many times that it's pointless reiterating it.
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paid_shill
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Nancy's followers are immune to reason. All you get if you post sense on a ZetaTalk thread is rabid accusations that you are a paid shill.

This is a much more sane thread.

The 'argument' over ZetaTalk has been won by the debunkers so many times that it's pointless reiterating it.
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks for repeating that Max!

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Thanks for the bump Andrew and ZetaMax. By keeping our thread on the front page, you're helping us show how and why Nancy is wrong.

Good job!
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Yeah. And so? Nancy's zetathreads used to be very popular and that argument was used by the cultists as proof that they were right. Now the same model or form is used in the Debunkers thread. What changed? Nothing. You guys seem to be fighting just of power positions. What happened to reason, logic, well made arguments and looking for truth - they were lost in the battle just like they always are.



Pointless. Nancy's followers are immune to reason. All you get if you post sense on a ZetaTalk thread is rabid accusations that you are a paid shill.

This is a much more sane thread.

The 'argument' over ZetaTalk has been won by the debunkers so many times that it's pointless reiterating it.

:paid_shill:
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silkly gifs dont help you, nancy.


drip.....dripp.....drippp....dripppp
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in the hopes that a God will save them

God has been trying to save His children for the past 100 years and through His prophets has been telling His people that a "cleansing" and a major catastrophy for the earth is due to come. He has been telling His people this LONG before Nancy and the zetas have been. Through HIS prophets He has been telling people to turn back to HIM and change their ways as He WILL soften what is to come. Also we have been told "Prayer is the answer! Prayer can mitigate much of anything to come."

2 Chronicles 7:14:

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray,
and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven,
and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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Thanks for the bump Andrew and ZetaMax. By keeping our thread on the front page, you're helping us show how and why Nancy is wrong.

Good job!
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Yes thanks. Although no one needs any more proof that Nancy is wrong...she's done it to herself over the years by her 100% failure record. And her braindead followers such as Max, Luser and Andrew have been unable to show any different.
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Andrew tried to support Nancy today by saying the "Zetas" claimed there would never be any dates given. Well, we know that isn't true.
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Andrew tried to support Nancy today by saying the "Zetas" claimed there would never be any dates given. Well, we know that isn't true.
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Below is a page from zetabc.com last modified on 08/09/2002. This page is taken from an archive copy I have kept.

Compare to present page from Zetatalk.com (2009)

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

JWD



2003 Message Source

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ZetaTalk began on January 19, 1995 in Michael Lindemann’s ISCNI chat group, and lead its introduction by announcing that at approximately May 15, 2003 the world would experience another pole shift. By late 1996 it was posting this warning on the sci.astro Usenet during a debate with astronomers. Debates continue today. On October 24, 1997 ZetaTalk was featured on the Strange Universe program, under the subject Planet X:2003. Nancy sitting at her PC with a view of the Pole Shift TOPIC of Troubled Times was included, as well as her message about 2003. Jeff Rense then featured Nancy several times, sometimes for 3 hours at a time, when the Zeta took live calls from the public, on Dec 10, 1998, March 5, 1999, Jun 4, 1999, Aug 27, 1999, and Jan 12, 2000. This is of record and at the Sightings Real Audio archives. The pole shift in 2003 was extensively discussed. Nancy has twice been included in a Wireless News Service notice, which brought her numerous requests for live radio interviews in 2000 and 2001. She was featured in the April 2001 edition of Art Bell's After Dark magazine, re pole shifts. Nancy began Live ZetaTalk IRC chats in late 2001 each Saturday. The inbound Planet X was sighted at the coordinates given by the Zetas in early 2001, and imaged twice in January, 2002. That a middle aged woman with a high school degree, who does not even know which end of a telescope to look into, could pinpoint the RA and Dec of the brown dwarf, Planet X, is astonishing, and speaks to the validity of ZetaTalk as does the ZetaTalk Accuracy TOPIC of Troubled Times.

In short, ZetaTalk was the source of a warning about a passage of Planet X in 2003. Accept no substitutes.

A year ahead of the shift, Pro/Con Posturing by notables on the likelihood of a 2003 passage was evident. The Zetas state that where not apparent on the face of it, this posturing has a common source, as ZetaTalk is a Targeted Message.

Pro Con
Norlock Zecharia Sitchin
James McCanny Jason Martell
Mark Hazlewood NASA
Jelaila Starr Space.COM
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Andrew tried to support Nancy today by saying the "Zetas" claimed there would never be any dates given. Well, we know that isn't true.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Of course it isn't. She continually plugged the May 15th 2003 date BEFORE it occurred....it was only after that date that she had to think up the blatantly obvious 'White Lie' lie. It was transparently obvious at the time that she was flustered by the failure and it took her a while to come up with the White Lie crap, which in itself suggests that she was busy making it up!

Only the most terminally gullible of idiots fails to see through Nancy's pathetic sham of a cult.
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Andrew tried to support Nancy today by saying the "Zetas" claimed there would never be any dates given. Well, we know that isn't true.
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In fact, that's where it all changed. I think she actually believed up until that point, or at least a part of her did. I don't think she believes any more, it's just cynical ego-gratification now.
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Andrew tried to support Nancy today by saying the "Zetas" claimed there would never be any dates given. Well, we know that isn't true.


In fact, that's where it all changed. I think she actually believed up until that point, or at least a part of her did. I don't think she believes any more, it's just cynical ego-gratification now.
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I think you're right.

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Andrew tried to support Nancy today by saying the "Zetas" claimed there would never be any dates given. Well, we know that isn't true.


Below is a page from zetabc.com last modified on 08/09/2002. This page is taken from an archive copy I have kept.

Compare to present page from Zetatalk.com (2009)

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

JWD



 Quoting: J.William Dell


Note the multiple edits and the extreme edit done in 2007.


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lol4me You still dwelling on that worn out absurdity, Melfy.

Your assertion, and that of some of your bunker pals, of paid posters being here on GLP with the focused plan of destroying Ms LIEDer's failed message is still as stupid today as it was when you clowns first brought it up.

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It was my understanding there was a date, or at least the year predicted of 2003 by Nancy and the Zeta's.
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Andrew's answer: they said in 2001 that NO DATE will be ever given!

all later claims even by themselves should be taken in this context!
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lol4me Andrew there is obviously no hope for you. You are seemingly very comfortable in being deceptive and untruthful.

lol4me And your second statement is absolutely illogical and ridiculous.

......I've got to go and find that now infamous zetababble crap quote that debunks your lie in one LIEDer statement.
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In Ms LIEDer's own words:...."A review of 2003 shows that whereas the Passage did not happen in 2003, Planet X certainly arrived in 2003!".....oh really!! lol4me


ZetaTalk: Mayan Calendar
Note: written on Dec 15, 1995. Planet X and the 12th Planet are one and the same.

....."We have given the correct dates for the return of the 12th Planet as the year 2003 [Note: see 2003 Date explanation] for the devastating first pass. All other dates are incorrect."

And that is just one statement, Andrew. I can post countless examples of where Ms LIEDer, in different forms of media, boasted constantly about the infallibility of her zeta overlords predicted March/May 2003 arrival of her rogue planet X.

Andrew do you really want to go there dude. And of course Ms LIEDer was going to make excuses for her failed predictions of her rogue planet arriving in 2003.

Because the woman persists in claiming her zeta ETs possess a 100% prediction accuracy track record is justified grounds alone to mock her.

PS: Get back to me when you find your wittle lost rogue planet bunker boy!!

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I noticed this morning that Candace is seriously questioning Nancy's claims about "Planet X." So, obviously, she can see that Nancy is wrong. But I have a suspicion that she's simply trying to position herself to be the new "leader" when the "pole shift" fails to happen before 2012.
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I noticed this morning that Candace is seriously questioning Nancy's claims about "Planet X." So, obviously, she can see that Nancy is wrong. But I have a suspicion that she's simply trying to position herself to be the new "leader" when the "pole shift" fails to happen before 2012.
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the new leader of bullshit - what a pride...
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Note the multiple edits and the extreme edit done in 2007.


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Now there's a handy link to the past.

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the new leader of bullshit - what a pride...
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Well, you know...nature abhors a vacuum. Someone will need to fill the hole that Nancy leaves behind.
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I noticed this morning that Candace is seriously questioning Nancy's claims about "Planet X." So, obviously, she can see that Nancy is wrong. But I have a suspicion that she's simply trying to position herself to be the new "leader" when the "pole shift" fails to happen before 2012.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


So we've got PX and Jupiter BOTH hiding behind the Sun now. What's going to happen is that eventually all the planets but Earth will be hiding behind the Sun and the Solar System will start vibrating like a washing machine with an unbalanced load and THAT is what will cause the Pole Shift.
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So we've got PX and Jupiter BOTH hiding behind the Sun now. What's going to happen is that eventually all the planets but Earth will be hiding behind the Sun and the Solar System will start vibrating like a washing machine with an unbalanced load and THAT is what will cause the Pole Shift.
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Nancy? Are reading any of this? You might want to take notes. You could use this for your next "white lie."
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So we've got PX and Jupiter BOTH hiding behind the Sun now. What's going to happen is that eventually all the planets but Earth will be hiding behind the Sun and the Solar System will start vibrating like a washing machine with an unbalanced load and THAT is what will cause the Pole Shift.


Nancy? Are reading any of this? You might want to take notes. You could use this for your next "white lie."
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

bdingle
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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lol4me You still dwelling on that worn out absurdity, Melfy.

Your assertion, and that of some of your bunker pals, of paid posters being here on GLP with the focused plan of destroying Ms LIEDer's failed message is still as stupid today as it was when you clowns first brought it up.

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THANKS for underscoring the OBVIOUS!! (Piad Shill!)

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 08/28/2009 10:36 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I noticed this morning that Candace is seriously questioning Nancy's claims about "Planet X." So, obviously, she can see that Nancy is wrong. But I have a suspicion that she's simply trying to position herself to be the new "leader" when the "pole shift" fails to happen before 2012.


So we've got PX and Jupiter BOTH hiding behind the Sun now. What's going to happen is that eventually all the planets but Earth will be hiding behind the Sun and the Solar System will start vibrating like a washing machine with an unbalanced load and THAT is what will cause the Pole Shift.
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That's funny, I see Jupiter rising in the east shortly after the sun sets. I took a number of fairly good images of it last weekend, showing it's cloud bands clearly.

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