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That's another of the main points for the "Earth-changes" or "PX" people. If/when you start picking apart the details of the story, they say "But you have to look at the big picture". Nancy has created such a gigantic mountain of bullshit, that most people who tend to accept what she says will never listen to arguments about each little detail. They just assume that such a mass of "data" couldn't be ALL wrong, even though it is.
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Sad truth is, Nancy Lieder was able to take the outraged reaction to her crazy claims and characterize it as an organized attempt to cover up her "truth". Without that, I think she wouldn't have ever gotten as far as she did. I have no doubt that was the plan from the beginning.
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Are you saying that the successful debunking of her claims and predictions actually served to bolster her following?
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It was not "sucessful" in the eyes of those who tend to believe her story. She took the debunking and ran with it on her site, cherry-picking and recharacterized it as "shrill" and "fearfull" and "angry" and "paid" and the like. Nancy packaged her story and all the lies it entails in one place which became linked-to over an over and over again. There are some debunking sites, but nothing which has been maintained with the ferver and passion and dedication which Nancy has shown for hers. The people who have bought into Nancy's story don't look at the details, they go by "feelings" and the like. They accept what Nancy says on emotional basis, for the most part. Her story appeals on an emotional level. The level of detail which is needed to debunk Nancy's claim are simply lost on most of those who prefer to think they are "awakened" and "noticing" things that the government has hidden from them. The most important aspect of Nancy's story is that of evil conspiritors controlling our lives. Without that, her story has no backbone, so yes, I think debunking has served a planned purpose in Nancy's(and/or those who put her where she is) agenda.
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That is an interesting take and I actually agree with some of what you are saying. I believe that debunking of the Zetas/Nancy has actually helped limit the number of her followers. That being said, it may have actually strengthened the resolve of her hardened core of believers. I’m talking about the truly devout that shuns all reason and has emotional investment in the idea. The ”us vs. the world” mentality can certainly cement the cohesiveness of such a group.
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Sad truth is, Nancy Lieder was able to take the outraged reaction to her crazy claims and characterize it as an organized attempt to cover up her "truth". Without that, I think she wouldn't have ever gotten as far as she did. I have no doubt that was the plan from the beginning.
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Are you saying that the successful debunking of her claims and predictions actually served to bolster her following?
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It was not "sucessful" in the eyes of those who tend to believe her story. She took the debunking and ran with it on her site, cherry-picking and recharacterized it as "shrill" and "fearfull" and "angry" and "paid" and the like. Nancy packaged her story and all the lies it entails in one place which became linked-to over an over and over again. There are some debunking sites, but nothing which has been maintained with the ferver and passion and dedication which Nancy has shown for hers. The people who have bought into Nancy's story don't look at the details, they go by "feelings" and the like. They accept what Nancy says on emotional basis, for the most part. Her story appeals on an emotional level. The level of detail which is needed to debunk Nancy's claim are simply lost on most of those who prefer to think they are "awakened" and "noticing" things that the government has hidden from them. The most important aspect of Nancy's story is that of evil conspiritors controlling our lives. Without that, her story has no backbone, so yes, I think debunking has served a planned purpose in Nancy's(and/or those who put her where she is) agenda.
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That is an interesting take and I actually agree with some of what you are saying. I believe that debunking of the Zetas/Nancy has actually helped limit the number of her followers. That being said, it may have actually strengthened the resolve of her hardened core of believers. I’m talking about the truly devout that shuns all reason and has emotional investment in the idea. The ”us vs. the world” mentality can certainly cement the cohesiveness of such a group.
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Yep. That is an important ingrediant of a cult- the "us and them" thing and the idea of being persecuted for your beliefs too. The "STO" vs "STS" was/is also crutial to Nancy's story. The "chosen" ones, etc.
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Many religious cults use the same techniques to harden their followers against emotional appeals from family members trying to get them out of the cult- the us versus them (up to the quite ridiculous versions that some cults use to foster the divide, including that the government had lifelike robots made of family members to try and lure followers away)

In a way, although it's bad for the suckers that have already `drunk the koolaid' so to speak, it does have one effect that as they make their fables more and more extreme, it does tend to slow down the intake of newer recruits so their numbers stay static or slowly decline, rarely do newer members join up because of the extreme belief divide required to make the first step
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Some good discussion taking place here.

I think the answer about whether "debunking" has made ZetaTalk more successful depends on who you ask. We've all, or most have, seen how the "believers" like to claim that the presence of "debunkers" proves Nancy right. Now, to most, that makes absolutely no sense. How could every person who doesn't believe Nancy be a "bought and paid for debunker?" Doesn't it make more sense and be more likely that most, if not all, "debunkers" are simply people who disagree with Nancy's claims? Sure...but the fact that people who are educated, know better and can easily prove Nancy wrong scares the crap out of her. She can't prove that the information "debunking" her is false. There's really nothing she can do. So, really, her best and only option is to attempt to discredit that information by claiming it's all made up and part of some grand conspiracy. That also includes claiming that anyone posting that disagrees with her is paid to do so. It doesn't take any supporting evidence from her...the fact that "debunkers" can't prove who they are is all the "evidence" she needs. Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.

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Some good discussion taking place here.

I think the answer about whether "debunking" has made ZetaTalk more successful depends on who you ask. We've all, or most have, seen how the "believers" like to claim that the presence of "debunkers" proves Nancy right. Now, to most, that makes absolutely no sense. How could every person who doesn't believe Nancy be a "bought and paid for debunker?" Doesn't it make more sense and be more likely that most, if not all, "debunkers" are simply people who disagree with Nancy's claims? Sure...but the fact that people who are educated, know better and can easily prove Nancy wrong scares the crap out of her. She can't prove that the information "debunking" her is false. There's really nothing she can do. So, really, her best and only option is to attempt to discredit that information by claiming it's all made up and part of some grand conspiracy. That also includes claiming that anyone posting that disagrees with her is paid to do so. It doesn't take any supporting evidence from her...the fact that "debunkers" can't prove who they are is all the "evidence" she needs. Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.
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It's not about logic or critical examination of evidence no matter how many times Nancy has said: "Look for yourself". It's about paranoid belief in conspiracy and certain other preconceived notions.
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Some good discussion taking place here.

I think the answer about whether "debunking" has made ZetaTalk more successful depends on who you ask. We've all, or most have, seen how the "believers" like to claim that the presence of "debunkers" proves Nancy right. Now, to most, that makes absolutely no sense. How could every person who doesn't believe Nancy be a "bought and paid for debunker?" Doesn't it make more sense and be more likely that most, if not all, "debunkers" are simply people who disagree with Nancy's claims? Sure...but the fact that people who are educated, know better and can easily prove Nancy wrong scares the crap out of her. She can't prove that the information "debunking" her is false. There's really nothing she can do. So, really, her best and only option is to attempt to discredit that information by claiming it's all made up and part of some grand conspiracy. That also includes claiming that anyone posting that disagrees with her is paid to do so. It doesn't take any supporting evidence from her...the fact that "debunkers" can't prove who they are is all the "evidence" she needs. Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.
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Ohh... and of course, Nancy had them believing Hap is the enemy and it would be a trick. By the way, where is Hap these days?
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Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.
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Hey guys...Hap here. Just checking back to see if any of the zetatards have come around, or if they are still delusional...waiting on their imaginary fairy-tale planet ex to show up. That Ruth's Chris steak from Max is getting closer by the day!
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Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.
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Hey guys...Hap here. Just checking back to see if any of the zetatards have come around, or if they are still delusional...waiting on their imaginary fairy-tale planet ex to show up. That Ruth's Chris steak from Max is getting closer by the day!
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So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.
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Ohh... and of course, Nancy had them believing Hap is the enemy and it would be a trick. By the way, where is Hap these days?
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I'm here...checking in every once in a while. I decided that I simply don't have time to waste on those who refuse to learn. I'll be checking in as the end of the year approaches to see the usual suspects squirm.
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Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.
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Hey guys...Hap here. Just checking back to see if any of the zetatards have come around, or if they are still delusional...waiting on their imaginary fairy-tale planet ex to show up. That Ruth's Chris steak from Max is getting closer by the day!
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Hiya Hap!
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So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?
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So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.
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The desire to feel "special" is part of it. Also, the desire to blame our problems or life situation on others.
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Ohh... and of course, Nancy had them believing Hap is the enemy and it would be a trick. By the way, where is Hap these days?
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I'm here...checking in every once in a while. I decided that I simply don't have time to waste on those who refuse to learn. I'll be checking in as the end of the year approaches to see the usual suspects squirm.
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That's wild. I only posted about you an hour or so ago. "Luser" has gone away, and so has Andrew it seems, though he is at Nancy's ning.
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So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?
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Well, she seemed to promise that Java would be 80 feet underwater by now -- it's not.

She also said the straits of Gibraltar would be 125 miles wider by now -- they're not.

So, essentially, she's batting about the same as ever. But she has iron control of her Ning now, so it doesn't get discussed.

As for some others, Postman stops by every now and again after the GLP shakeup, CB is here fighting the good fight, Aussie and Gazmick keep it real, Menow doggedly pointing out the obvious, TLR has the power but uses it responsibly, Zetamax still plays the fool, Volar's reading comprehension has actually DEcreased, and 78/68 and IDW appear to have disappeared altogether...

I am certain to be forgetting a ton of people, but there you go...
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So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.
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The desire to feel "special" is part of it. Also, the desire to blame our problems or life situation on others.
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I agree that is certainly a part of it. I just wonder how the desire to feel special can be *so* deep seated, that self destruction becomes preferable to letting go of that feeling... ala Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, among others.
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So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?
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I guess you missed the whole "7of10" thing. Hard to explain, but just know that Indonesia is sinking below the waves as we speak, according to Nancy.
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So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.
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The desire to feel "special" is part of it. Also, the desire to blame our problems or life situation on others.
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I agree that is certainly a part of it. I just wonder how the desire to feel special can be *so* deep seated, that self destruction becomes preferable to letting go of that feeling... ala Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, among others.
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Well, that is several levels past the "feel good" idea which sucks people in. That later stuff is born out of something akin to hypnotic controll.
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So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?
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Well, she seemed to promise that Java would be 80 feet underwater by now -- it's not.

She also said the straits of Gibraltar would be 125 miles wider by now -- they're not.

So, essentially, she's batting about the same as ever. But she has iron control of her Ning now, so it doesn't get discussed.

As for some others, Postman stops by every now and again after the GLP shakeup, CB is here fighting the good fight, Aussie and Gazmick keep it real, Menow doggedly pointing out the obvious, TLR has the power but uses it responsibly, Zetamax still plays the fool, Volar's reading comprehension has actually DEcreased, and 78/68 and IDW appear to have disappeared altogether...

I am certain to be forgetting a ton of people, but there you go...
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I fully expected Luser and IDW to disappear, and Volar is too ignorant to know better. Maybe when 2013 arrives with no planet ex in sight, he'll come around, but I really doubt it. Max is just playing the fool...and doing a great job of it. I'm waiting to see if he will really honor his commitment to me to publicly denounce Nancy as a fraud, fly here to SC and buy me a steak dinner at Ruth Chris if the "pole shift" does not occur PRIOR to January 1st, 2012 as Nancy predicted. It will be interesting and hilarious to see how he attempts to weasel out of it.
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I guess you know that GLP has an observatory now. What a strange world we live in.
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So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?
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Well, she seemed to promise that Java would be 80 feet underwater by now -- it's not.

She also said the straits of Gibraltar would be 125 miles wider by now -- they're not.

So, essentially, she's batting about the same as ever. But she has iron control of her Ning now, so it doesn't get discussed.

As for some others, Postman stops by every now and again after the GLP shakeup, CB is here fighting the good fight, Aussie and Gazmick keep it real, Menow doggedly pointing out the obvious, TLR has the power but uses it responsibly, Zetamax still plays the fool, Volar's reading comprehension has actually DEcreased, and 78/68 and IDW appear to have disappeared altogether...

I am certain to be forgetting a ton of people, but there you go...
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I'm still here but busy with life :)
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It's not about logic or critical examination of evidence no matter how many times Nancy has said: "Look for yourself". It's about paranoid belief in conspiracy and certain other preconceived notions.
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There's one thing funny about Nancy right there - she tells people to look after leading them to believe that what they'll see is unnatural...when it isn't. She tries to get people to believe that the sun setting in the NW sky during the summer is unusual when, in fact, it happens EVERY year. She also keeps claiming that "debunkers" are telling people NOT to look when the exact opposite is true.
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So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


The desire to feel "special" is part of it. Also, the desire to blame our problems or life situation on others.
 Quoting: Menow 1417891


I agree that is certainly a part of it. I just wonder how the desire to feel special can be *so* deep seated, that self destruction becomes preferable to letting go of that feeling... ala Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, among others.
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As many here know I am writing a book on the subject. Simply put; cult leaders have a "Napoleon" complex, while followers wish to be part of something "special".

The expansion of the internet has given these people a wider range and reach. Look at photos of the "abducted by UFO's" pre internet, desperately lonely people seeking attention, now consider the number of devoted followers Nancy had before the 2003 failure, without the internet Nancy would have been lucky to suck in a dozen people.

Melfy first claimed to be a "contactee" as well as a survivor of 9/11, the 9/11 claim was proven false and Nancy would not have others usurp her position at the top of the tree. As we know Nancy claims to have an implant from the "Zetas" to enable her "chats" to the zetas, Melfy did not claim the same implant status.
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Ohh... and of course, Nancy had them believing Hap is the enemy and it would be a trick. By the way, where is Hap these days?
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I'm here...checking in every once in a while. I decided that I simply don't have time to waste on those who refuse to learn. I'll be checking in as the end of the year approaches to see the usual suspects squirm.
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That's wild. I only posted about you an hour or so ago. "Luser" has gone away, and so has Andrew it seems, though he is at Nancy's ning.
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And Freestore?
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It's not about logic or critical examination of evidence no matter how many times Nancy has said: "Look for yourself". It's about paranoid belief in conspiracy and certain other preconceived notions.
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There's one thing funny about Nancy right there - she tells people to look after leading them to believe that what they'll see is unnatural...when it isn't. She tries to get people to believe that the sun setting in the NW sky during the summer is unusual when, in fact, it happens EVERY year. She also keeps claiming that "debunkers" are telling people NOT to look when the exact opposite is true.
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Yes. Nancy told that exact lie about me, while on the live chat. What she does is act as if she honestly wants people to look for themselves, but makes it clear what they are GOING to see if they are honest. Anybody who says they didn't see what she told them they would see is called a liar or debunker and dismissed trom the umbrella of her approval. Nancy has always been the queen of misrepresentation of facts.
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So, what's new in the world of Nancy's faithful and those who know better?
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Well, she seemed to promise that Java would be 80 feet underwater by now -- it's not.

She also said the straits of Gibraltar would be 125 miles wider by now -- they're not.

So, essentially, she's batting about the same as ever. But she has iron control of her Ning now, so it doesn't get discussed.

As for some others, Postman stops by every now and again after the GLP shakeup, CB is here fighting the good fight, Aussie and Gazmick keep it real, Menow doggedly pointing out the obvious, TLR has the power but uses it responsibly, Zetamax still plays the fool, Volar's reading comprehension has actually DEcreased, and 78/68 and IDW appear to have disappeared altogether...

I am certain to be forgetting a ton of people, but there you go...
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I'm still here but busy with life :)
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Hey... good to see you!
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Ohh... and of course, Nancy had them believing Hap is the enemy and it would be a trick. By the way, where is Hap these days?
 Quoting: Menow 1417891


I'm here...checking in every once in a while. I decided that I simply don't have time to waste on those who refuse to learn. I'll be checking in as the end of the year approaches to see the usual suspects squirm.
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That's wild. I only posted about you an hour or so ago. "Luser" has gone away, and so has Andrew it seems, though he is at Nancy's ning.
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And Freestore?
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit


He is occaisionally seen on other threads, but never here anymore.
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So, what quality is it, in all of us, that makes us fall for those Nancy-like thoughts and cults?

I do remember Festinger's book 'When Prophecy Fails' though it has been years since I read it. I just wonder about the mechanism in the brain that is 'worked' by similar leaders. Why do some ideas catch on, regardless of outlandishness? Why do some, which seem nearly identical fail so badly? For every Nancy, there's got to be some that fail even harder, and some that balloon up into full-on religions, like some of the schisms in other faiths. What quality is it that allows one set of ideas to flourish, and another to die? It certainly does not seem to be the factual content of the idea, nor the predictive qualities of the leaders (or Lieders).

I'm not expressing what I am trying to get at very well, but perhaps discussing it will improve my ability to convey it.
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The desire to feel "special" is part of it. Also, the desire to blame our problems or life situation on others.
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I agree that is certainly a part of it. I just wonder how the desire to feel special can be *so* deep seated, that self destruction becomes preferable to letting go of that feeling... ala Jonestown, Heaven's Gate, among others.
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As many here know I am writing a book on the subject. Simply put; cult leaders have a "Napoleon" complex, while followers wish to be part of something "special".

The expansion of the internet has given these people a wider range and reach. Look at photos of the "abducted by UFO's" pre internet, desperately lonely people seeking attention, now consider the number of devoted followers Nancy had before the 2003 failure, without the internet Nancy would have been lucky to suck in a dozen people.

Melfy first claimed to be a "contactee" as well as a survivor of 9/11, the 9/11 claim was proven false and Nancy would not have others usurp her position at the top of the tree. As we know Nancy claims to have an implant from the "Zetas" to enable her "chats" to the zetas, Melfy did not claim the same implant status.
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I will be quite interested in your book when it comes out. I want a signed copy. :)
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Hey guys...Hap here. Just checking back to see if any of the zetatards have come around, or if they are still delusional...waiting on their imaginary fairy-tale planet ex to show up. That Ruth's Chris steak from Max is getting closer by the day!
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Sadly enough, Hap, it appears to be an impossible task for most diehard zetaculties to "smell the coffee" and break away from the "delusion" that has consumed some of them for years now.

The zetaculties wear their "FAIL" after "FAIL" episodes like a badge of doomsday honour..... Fail_plus

In respect of the Melfster, I don't have too many positives to convey about the "clown", but I do sense that he will eventually buy you that "steak" when the "writing is on the wall" for him finally in 2012.

Loneranger

Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 06/28/2011 01:14 AM
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