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WOOHOO!!!

Absolute Classic!!!

I stand corrected! ;-)

You have the floor, Setheory.....

....we have the Power!!


...awaiting TEST RESULTS!!

I just sent me sister a link to LTR's moofie!!!

Wow -- I appreciate your liking my 'punishment,' such as it is.

Did you, at any time, really believe the Earth was halted, as Nancy Lieder claimed? And do you now?

Alas -- I appear to be one of the unmentioned.

Ah, well.

I'm sure he missed a few others as well, but no matter- we are ALL included simply as `The Debunkers' and what more honourable title can there be???

I join in.

Just as an aside- the entire thread is 806 MB, and my local copy of it contains 51823 files in 2928 folders as of just before this post....

:-O

My apologies to you 74444. I knew that I would stuff it up somewhere between my tired brain and the keyboard lol. Admittedly the original vid was a rush job, in the wee hours NZ time, in between my contracting work schedule and sleep etc. I have corrected the Historical Record.....

Happy 1,000 pages! DrP sends his regards.

>> What doom scenario do you find to be the most likely and what evidence do you have to support its likelihood?

The most "likely" doom scenario is one that is not astronomical in nature, but indeed "man"-made. And no, it's not manmade "Global Warming" or "Climate Change", but rather "Scientific Dictatorship". The installation of a global Orwellian 1984 style global prison society where all notion of individual "freedom" and "self-determination" is completely extinguished. This planet is advancing toward that reality at a breathtaking speed, and so far, I see nothing that can stop it.

It is why I actually kind of "hoped" for DOOM - because global doom is indeed one thing that can shipwreck "global domination" by the financial elite/breakaway civilization hell bent on making their 1984 nightmare for the common man, a "true" reality.

Without some kind of external intervention, cosmic catastrophie or suidical misstep on the part of the power-mad globalists, mankind collectively faces a VERY grim future.

Tell me I'm wrong, and give me some evidence to the contrary that can fill me with "hope" rather than with anxiety.

Thanks TLR and congrats on the 1000 pg mark. (LOLed at the vid as well)

I'll pass on the ban hammer, as I only believe in banning for "over the top" offenses. If we banned everyone who held unfounded beliefs or who were suspected of trolling, GLP would be a lifeless forum.

<waits for crowd to quiet...stands up...points thumb to sky>

When Trinity implements his "karma" system, I'll be sure to give you some kudos.

but rather "Scientific Dictatorship".

Since you are answering `honestly' ZetaMax

1:what parts of science do you find causing a `dictatorship' and how?
2:what/how do you think they are doing so, and what would you do in their place?

please feel free to take your time in replying, as this is for me a unique opportunity to have one of the opposite side undertake to answer truthfully, and I would like the insight into your mindset.

Please notice I haven't and will in future refrain from derogatory name calling if you will indeed answer the questions

Thank you in anticipation

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1: Science is not "causing" a dictatorship, but rather ambitious and powerful personages are USING advanced science in an attempt to build a digital/mechanical grid of CONTROL that is immune to any and all attempts of escape and/or overthrow.

For instance: Cameras everywhere with computers (not humans) analyzing visual and sound patterns for specific behaviors and keywords. Military drones of all kinds - land, sea and air. Full spectrum surveillance along with alogorithms so advanced, they predict human behavior with over 90% accuracy.

Like all things, technology itself is neutral - but becomes an instrument of liberation or oppression in line with the intent of those who CONTROL the technology.

Those who control this vast network of high tech wonders are HIDDEN behind classified walls, impenetrable even by Congress and even the President himself. They are not auditable, answer only to themselves (that we know of), and currently cannot be held accountable for anything. You can't prosecute and discipline those you can't even IDENTIFY.

Yet we are somehow supposed to "trust" these folks, not feel threatened by them in any way, in spite of our profound lack of ability to MONITOR them in ANY way - while they themselves possess the accelerating ability to monitor US in such profound ways that it almost staggers the mind, tamper with our health and food supply, our environment, our common currency, even our laws?

None of this "concerns" you?

2: What would I do in their place? ELIMINATE THE HIERARCHICAL COMPARTMENTALIZATION. Notice I didn't say "secrecy" - because some secrecy is always necessary. But what is being built now is a control grid that is completely and utterly controlled from the very tip of the pyramid - with **NO** veto capacity from the remainder of the structure WHATSOVER. Such a structure is anathema to ANY notion of self-determination. Such a system ultimately becomes DO or DIE - or even worse DO or YOU, YOUR FAMILY and EVEN MORE die.

Who can resist such tyranny? Especially when the tyrants remain secret and safely esconced behind dozens of layers of hierarchical compartmentalization?

I'm supposed to fear a guy with explosives strapped to his chest MORE than this?

Do YOU?

I suppose you could say that you continue to have "free will" because you can "always" choose death - even it means the accompanying death of many others.

But somehow I think they're working HARD to remove that "option" someday as well.

The ultimate slavery - where even death itself is not an option.

Of course there is no incentive for them to eliminate the compartmentalization, because they BELIEVE without question that achieving such control will free them and their descendants FOREVER from any worry or fear of ever losing their power. And they also believe that living without ABSOLUTE POWER over others - is a terrible way to live.

I beg to differ ...

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 08/12/2011 03:22 PM

I agree with a small portion of this post. I disagree with a larger portion and find most of it to be exaggerated generalizations. That being said, I still find your fears of a nefarious cabal of untouchable civil servants rather interesting. You are a difficult “nut” to crack.



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I actually get the impression you are being honest and I have no idea how to feel about that.

>> I disagree with a larger portion and find most of it to be exaggerated generalizations.

I would say that sentence itself is an "exaggerated generalization". Care to be more specific?

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 08/13/2011 09:57 AM

You are asking for a granular critique regarding nebulous statements. That is difficult.

If you were to provide examples with some supporting evidence, I might be able to oblige.

Another question for you, ZM:

Did you, at any time, really believe the Earth was halted, as Nancy Lieder claimed? And do you now?

LOL -- Didn't expect you to edit it! That was awfully kind of you.

I kept an "open mind" for awhile. But I can certainly throw it in the category of "white lies" nowadays.

Ah, interesting. Do you remember at what point it "switched?" And, if so, why then?

Hard to say - there was always "an element of doubt" on my part. Keep in mind that I missed the entire 2003 "narrative" - encountering ZetaTalk for the first time in 2006, and so was always conscious of the FACT that Nancy and the Zetas told "White Lies". That of course kept any credulity on my part from "running rampant".

Why am I even "less" inclined to "believe" now? Passage of time, evolving track record, etc. I can actually contemplate aliens "tilting" or moving a planet in extraordinary circumstances - but doing it for a decade? That does begin to "beggar belief".