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You didn't answer the question. How do YOU think that Dell, once he realized that Nancy was wrong, should have acted? Should he have maintained his loyalty to Nancy and kept up the bunker act, even though he knew it to be erroneous, or come clean with his newfound realization? You seem to be insinuating with your "betrayal" comment that he should have kept quiet even though he knew she was wrong. Is that how you define "character"?

Is that how you "character"-ize BETRAYAL???





Hm. How is it betrayal to simply state that no PX was identified at the coordinates Nancy gave? What has Dell betrayed?

Zetamax, can you find fault with Dell's simple statement of fact? Or with Dell's movement from curious to believer to skeptic to disbeliever (In Nancy's version of PX, anyway), and his reasons for said movement?

How do YOU believe Dell should have acted?

I just find the timing of his re-appearance, HIGHLY suspect!!

You didn't answer the question. How do YOU think that Dell, once he realized that Nancy was wrong, should have acted? Should he have maintained his loyalty to Nancy and kept up the bunker act, even though he knew it to be erroneous, or come clean with his newfound realization? You seem to be insinuating with your "betrayal" comment that he should have kept quiet even though he knew she was wrong. Is that how you define "character"?


Max would have been much happier if Dell had continued living a lie and gone along with Nancy's story.

You didn't answer the question. How do YOU think that Dell, once he realized that Nancy was wrong, should have acted? Should he have maintained his loyalty to Nancy and kept up the bunker act, even though he knew it to be erroneous, or come clean with his newfound realization? You seem to be insinuating with your "betrayal" comment that he should have kept quiet even though he knew she was wrong. Is that how you define "character"?

Dang! Trinity's war on shills has missed you!

Dang! Trinity's war on shills has missed you!

What is the date of that JW Dell statement? There needs to be one on there.


Date witten was August 2nd 2009 and original post exists at
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]


Posted for posterity....
Dell is STILL trying to save face.....


At this point, saving face is meaningless.The debate ended long ago.


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WOAH! You located Dell??? How? Excuse me if I have missed something.


Were you looking for me??? ;o)

The request for comment was made in another thread and the response to Prof. Rabbit was provided publicly rather than privately in hopes that it may be a positive benefit to some.

Kindest Regards
J.William Dell

It took strength of character to admit you were wrong, character that is totally lacking from the remaining shills, fools, frauds and village idiots following LIEDer.

It took strength of character to admit you were wrong, character that is totally lacking from the remaining shills, fools, frauds and village idiots following LIEDer.


There are so few left it's a wonder thwy don't all live with Nancy, wait, Melfy lives in the sock drawer already!

SO is Nancy banning all debunker IPs now?

SO is Nancy banning all debunker IPs now?

Not that I know of. At least not yet. As 2012 gets closer and it gets more and more obvious "Planet X" isn't coming, she may start banning everyone who starts questioning her to keep them "silent."

SO is Nancy banning all debunker IPs now?

Not that I know of. At least not yet. As 2012 gets closer and it gets more and more obvious "Planet X" isn't coming, she may start banning everyone who starts questioning her to keep them "silent."


She has at least two options:
1. goes completely silent and withdraws from the internet
2. comes up with another lame ass explanation (i.e., white lie 2)

It took strength of character to admit you were wrong, character that is totally lacking from the remaining shills, fools, frauds and village idiots following LIEDer.

There are so few left it's a wonder thwy don't all live with Nancy, wait, Melfy lives in the sock drawer already!

She has at least two options:
1. goes completely silent and withdraws from the internet
2. comes up with another lame ass explanation (i.e., white lie 2)

SO is Nancy banning all debunker IPs now?

Not that I know of. At least not yet. As 2012 gets closer and it gets more and more obvious "Planet X" isn't coming, she may start banning everyone who starts questioning her to keep them "silent."


She has at least two options:
1. goes completely silent and withdraws from the internet
2. comes up with another lame ass explanation (i.e., white lie 2)


3 Pass the ball to a sock to avoid the obvious ridicule while the sock takes all the flack.

SO is Nancy banning all debunker IPs now?

Not that I know of. At least not yet. As 2012 gets closer and it gets more and more obvious "Planet X" isn't coming, she may start banning everyone who starts questioning her to keep them "silent."


She has at least two options:
1. goes completely silent and withdraws from the internet
2. comes up with another lame ass explanation (i.e., white lie 2)


3 Pass the ball to a sock to avoid the obvious ridicule while the sock takes all the flack.

Doesn't it hurt when you type ridiculous :billshit:??

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PR
Would you consider airing your view of Nancy's story? given that you knew her from a different viewpoint, I am interested in how you see the message and it's changes over the years.

I will understand if you decline 'tho.
Quoting: Prof_Rabbit


In response to your request;

From 1995 to May 15, 2003, Nancy Leider predicted that on or about the date of May 15, 2003 the planet known as Niburu would re-enter our solar system and cause havoc to earth. She further stated that the information she was providing was given to her telepathically by an alien species known as the Zeta and the arrival of Niburu would validate the Zeta existance.With the Y2K predictions also occurring during that time, many were of a disposition to believe her or at least retain an element of doubt until May 15, 2003.

My relationship with Nancy Leider has been solely based on the Internet, never having met her. The story she has woven appears to be based to a great degree on the works of Zechariah Sitchen, Velikovsky and others.

To recap that time period;
Around the year 2000 sky coordinates were provided for the location of Niburu from Nancy Lieder/Zeta. In September 2002, Steve Havas rented time on a telescope and began imaging the coordinates. In the first images, something was found on the images at the exact coordinates. This got my and others interest. From September 2002 to March 2003 telescope imaging was used tracking the coordinates given by Nancy Leider and an ongoing debate began over those images.

My direct involvement on this issue of Nancy Leider and Niburu involved review of those images, an attempted debate on the Sci.Astro forum, and the presentation to Sci.Astro of a statement of claim stating that the arrival of Niburu on May 15,2003 was evidence for the existence of the zeta.
[link to groups.google.com]
[link to groups.google.com]

During the time I was working on the telescope images on the basis of my experience with photo imaging, not astronomy. From September 2002 to February 2003, anomalies appeared on the imaging which could be plotted on a star map.

After February there was no conclusive evidence from the imaging, which should be expected if a planet was moving closer into our solar system. In March 2003 telescope imaging was discontinued. In March / April 2003, Nancy Leider stated that the planet could be seen with binoculars or small telescopes. Many images from around the world were posted to show its arrival. Some of these were hoaxes and some were unknowns. By April 2003, the planet was alleged to be near the sun, which brought out even more photos consisting of lens flare from cameras or sunlight on cloud formations.

Although 2002 and early 2003 saw an uptick in solar and geological activity, from March to May 2003, no conclusive evidence of an incoming planet was apparent.

May 15 2003 came and went and on May 21 2003 I posted to Sci.Astro forum stating that the statement of claim was rejected due to the non arrival of Niburu.
[link to groups.google.com]
[link to groups.google.com]

With the no show of Niburu in May 2003, most rejected her claim and moved on to other things. Myself included. Whereas before May 15, 2003 the possibility existed, after May 15, 2003 no credibility in this claim remains.

To explain the failed prediction, Nancy Leider stated the whole episode was a "white lie" to confuse the powers that be. With the introduction of the "white lie" to retrieve her predictive credibility some continued to believe. Nancy Leider has continued stating the planet passage is imminent and attempts to convince others of her validity.

In conclusion;

I have watched these past six years since 2003 and continue to observe the ongoing debate surrounding Niburu. Looking back and attempting to make sense of what this lady is up to defies ready explanation. Because of the lack of evidence for her initial statements, and the failure of her prediction, one can only presume that the individual is suffering from some disorder or trying to retain notoriety on the Internet.

In my opinion, the theories of Sitchen, Hapgood and Velikovsky deserve further study; the theories of Nancy Leider do not.

My regrets in this whole episode are first that I played a small part in a deception that has affected many. And secondly, some of my comments during the debate in 2002/2003 were unkind especially when dealing with IM Openminded. Up until that time I considered myself rational and correct in things that I had undertaken but found it was possible to become emotional and wrong, providing me with both a humbling and, in retrospect, a necessary experience for me. I now have relearned to approach issues from a more balanced point of view.

Moving on from this experience, I have been able to regain a level of balance and evolve my believe structure on rational facts rather than emotional arguments.

I now approach all new claims made on the Internet or elsewhere with healthy scepticism based on evidence and facts, and I encourage others to do the same.

Kindest Regards
J.William Dell

Doesn't it hurt when you type ridiculous ??

Don't be so hard on yourself, William. You are a good guy in my books that became collateral damage by a no show Planet X in 2003. Everyone Nancy included were taken by surprise

No long winded posts here for you..I just want to say it is easier now than it is back in 2003 to gauge your senses to the elements to see if something is different now than it was back in 2003

I am sure you will agree something has to give and soon

Take Care

I am sure you will agree something has to give and soon

Take Care

I have red a book about one theory, which says that under the Caucasus (location: [link to en.wikipedia.org] is a big (appr. as big as black see) cavity, filled up whit explosive fluid (underground see) and it could explode during the cataclysm period. How realistic could it be? Can you see anything under the earth crust there?

NancyTalk: please not the rule posted at the start of the chat about the Zetas addressing OTHER wild ass theories.

These bunkers are so STO and nice to each other that they are attacking Andrew and another Russian for speaking in Russian. While Andrew is one of Nancy's most faithful followers, the rest are showing their extreme intolerance of anyone different from themselves by suggesting they take their discussion in Russian elsewhere, when all Andrew was trying to do is help the dude understand and ask his question in English that will be clear. Talk about love and understanding, tolerance and sticking together! LOL!!

Nobody has brought up JWD and his posts here. I would post it, but I would probably be banned, and her thread is already quite dead tonight. I am sure she would not appreciate JWD being brought up during her chat!

whats the purpose of this chat???


INFORMATIONAL!

whats the purpose of this chat???

interactive communication with aliens.

From Nancy's chat:

I have red a book about one theory, which says that under the Caucasus (location: [link to en.wikipedia.org] is a big (appr. as big as black see) cavity, filled up whit explosive fluid (underground see) and it could explode during the cataclysm period. How realistic could it be? Can you see anything under the earth crust there?

NancyTalk: please not the rule posted at the start of the chat about the Zetas addressing OTHER wild ass theories.


Yeah, man. Get with the program. The only wild ass theories that Nancy addresses are her own wild ass theories. ROFLMAO.

Note to Debunkers

From Nancy's chat:

SOZT
You are listening to those you give the Call to, during your fear. You are giving the Call to those in the STS, who leave you uneasy. They are also telling you that ZetaTalk is evil, which it is not. When you read the words in ZetaTalk, you have a dissonance. Give up your fear, and you will stop having such thoughts.
EOZT