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That's "Fence Sitter".
(Quoting ZetaMax)

AC 636571:
1. You were the one that originally wrote "Fence Shitter"
2. If you're not a "Nancy believer" why do you defend her so vigorously and go to great lengths to reinterpret her mistakes to make it appear she is right?

I've ALWAYS maintained that "belief" was not necessary. I am a FENCE SITTER. I "believe" neither Nancy, NOR THE DEBUNKERS.

:onfence:

Whew. Did my four mile run this morning...I must finally be getting used to the 6000 ft difference in elevation. Just this week I cut close to four minutes off my time and can do four miles in 35 minutes. Yeah, sure, there are people out there faster than me but there are a lot of people out there that can't even do a 1/4 mile without stopping.

No wonder you're so good at running away from truth and logic!

Whew. Did my four mile run this morning...I must finally be getting used to the 6000 ft difference in elevation. Just this week I cut close to four minutes off my time and can do four miles in 35 minutes. Yeah, sure, there are people out there faster than me but there are a lot of people out there that can't even do a 1/4 mile without stopping.

No wonder you're so good at running away from truth and logic!

Whew. Did my four mile run this morning...I must finally be getting used to the 6000 ft difference in elevation. Just this week I cut close to four minutes off my time and can do four miles in 35 minutes. Yeah, sure, there are people out there faster than me but there are a lot of people out there that can't even do a 1/4 mile without stopping.

No wonder you're so good at running away from truth and logic!

No wonder you're so good at running away from truth and logic!

What "truth and logic" would that be? Can you be specific?

Whew. Did my four mile run this morning...I must finally be getting used to the 6000 ft difference in elevation. Just this week I cut close to four minutes off my time and can do four miles in 35 minutes. Yeah, sure, there are people out there faster than me but there are a lot of people out there that can't even do a 1/4 mile without stopping.

No wonder you're so good at running away from truth and logic!


While you're here, perhaps you could explain the difference between Nancy and Candace, sine you're such a connoisseur of bunk.

I'd like to see Max explain how people are "parented" by
12 Step programs, as Nancy claimed in last Saturday's chat.
User made some strange reference to God as a way of excusing
it but that doesn't wash at all. Neither Nancy, Max, or User
have a clue about 12 Step recovery. On the other hand I have
22 years clean as of today and I'll celebrate at my homegroup,
Dopeless Hope Fiends, this Saturday night.

I think I've accumulated at least a tiny bit of expertise in
the subject. Especially when you consider the years I spent
on the Public Information committee and as it's chairperson
for the West Tennessee Area.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P. (I'm not surprised ...)

A "parent's" primary role is to assist thier child to MATURITY. Recovery is growth process - a MATURATION process. 12 Step programs "ASSIST" in this process, but of course the real work falls to the individual involved.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P. :hair_split: (I'm not surprised ...)

A "parent's" primary role is to assist thier child to MATURITY. Recovery is growth process - a MATURATION process. 12 Step programs "ASSIST" in this process, but of course the real work falls to the individual involved.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P. :hair_split: (I'm not surprised ...)

Whew. Did my four mile run this morning...I must finally be getting used to the 6000 ft difference in elevation. Just this week I cut close to four minutes off my time and can do four miles in 35 minutes.

Whew. Did my four mile run this morning...I must finally be getting used to the 6000 ft difference in elevation. Just this week I cut close to four minutes off my time and can do four miles in 35 minutes. Yeah, sure, there are people out there faster than me but there are a lot of people out there that can't even do a 1/4 mile without stopping.

No wonder you're so good at running away from truth and logic!

While you're here, perhaps you could explain the difference between Nancy and Candace, sine you're such a connoisseur of bunk.

I have not been following Candace's threads.

I've ALWAYS maintained that "belief" was not necessary. I am a FENCE SITTER. I "believe" neither Nancy, NOR THE DEBUNKERS.

>> I'd like to see Max explain how people are "parented" by 12 Step programs

A "parent's" primary role is to assist thier child to MATURITY. Recovery is growth process - a MATURATION process. 12 Step programs "ASSIST" in this process, but of course the real work falls to the individual involved.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P.(I'm not surprised ...)


Hoping people won't remember her exact words, are we?
"ANOTHER, in a parent position, will be assisting them."
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 5 (Page 6)

There is NO "Another" in ANY parent postilion you dolt.

Welcome back to failtown again.

>> I'd like to see Max explain how people are "parented" by 12 Step programs

A "parent's" primary role is to assist thier child to MATURITY. Recovery is growth process - a MATURATION process. 12 Step programs "ASSIST" in this process, but of course the real work falls to the individual involved.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P.(I'm not surprised ...)


Hoping people won't remember her exact words, are we?
"ANOTHER, in a parent position, will be assisting them."
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 5 (Page 6)

There is NO "Another" in ANY parent postilion you dolt.

Welcome back to failtown again.

Boy "splitting hairs" was an UNDERSTATEMENT. 12 Step programs are predominantly GROUP ORIENTED. As such, they use PEER PRESSURE - which is very similar to parental pressure in it's power and effectiveness in influencing behavior (and in fact exceeds parental pressure in many instances). The peerage of the SUPPORT GROUP is the "Another, in a parent position" ...

You'll REALLY over-reaching on *this* one!!

>> I'd like to see Max explain how people are "parented" by 12 Step programs

A "parent's" primary role is to assist thier child to MATURITY. Recovery is growth process - a MATURATION process. 12 Step programs "ASSIST" in this process, but of course the real work falls to the individual involved.

Splitting hairs again as usual I see "Dr." P.(I'm not surprised ...)


Hoping people won't remember her exact words, are we?
"ANOTHER, in a parent position, will be assisting them."
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 5 (Page 6)

There is NO "Another" in ANY parent postilion you dolt.

Welcome back to failtown again.

Boy "splitting hairs" was an UNDERSTATEMENT. 12 Step programs are predominantly GROUP ORIENTED. As such, they use PEER PRESSURE - which is very similar to parental pressure in it's power and effectiveness in influencing behavior (and in fact exceeds parental pressure in many instances). The peerage of the SUPPORT GROUP is the "Another, in a parent position" ...

You'll REALLY over-reaching on *this* one!!


Got any experience with a twelve-step program or are you pulling crap out of your ass (as usual)?

Got any experience with a twelve-step program or are you pulling crap out of your ass (as usual)?

I have a degree in Psychology.

Got any experience with a twelve-step program or are you pulling crap out of your ass (as usual)?

I have a degree in Psychology.


Those internet universities sure come in handy!

Got any experience with a twelve-step program or are you pulling crap out of your ass (as usual)?

I have a degree in Psychology.


Those internet universities sure come in handy!

More like a BIG TEN University :dumb ass2:

Wow, education standards are really slipping. How can somebody with so much education be so incredibly dumb?

Mind you, you could always be bullshitting....which considering your 'close affiliation' with Nancy Lieder would not be the most unlikely of things!

Your biggest problem is your attempts at 'being smart' just seem pathetic, because you are an apologist for a seedy internet cult of stupidity. True intelligence is nowhere evident in anything you post.

Wow, education standards are really slipping. How can somebody with so much education be so incredibly dumb?

Mind you, you could always be bullshitting....which considering your 'close affiliation' with Nancy Lieder would not be the most unlikely of things!

Your biggest problem is your attempts at 'being smart' just seem pathetic, because you are an apologist for a seedy internet cult of stupidity. True intelligence is nowhere evident in anything you post.



Easy answer: He/she LIED!

But that is nothing new for a bunker, how many times has melfy called someone a "paid shill" without the first shred of evidence, much less proof?

Wow, education standards are really slipping. How can somebody with so much education be so incredibly dumb?

Mind you, you could always be bullshitting....which considering your 'close affiliation' with Nancy Lieder would not be the most unlikely of things!

Your biggest problem is your attempts at 'being smart' just seem pathetic, because you are an apologist for a seedy internet cult of stupidity. True intelligence is nowhere evident in anything you post.



Easy answer: He/she LIED!

But that is nothing new for a bunker, how many times has melfy called someone a "paid shill" without the first shred of evidence, much less proof?

DANG!! I thought you had been permanently banned along with Menow and Prof Rabbit. Did PostHole let you back in??