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>> Not the scientists I know.

Tesla died alone, a recluse, marginalized and largely written out of history. Most people on the street have never heard of him. Edison had nothing but contempt for his financiers who chose AC over his DC system. Edison was self-absorbed. Einstein regretted what the establishment did with his discoveries and felt personally indebted to humanity as a result. He died encouraging Hapgood with his work on crustal shifts.

>> that guy could easily find better work elsewhere if he really wanted to.

Where? In a classified project???

That's about the only place anything REALLY interesting continues to be pursued. The irony is that funds are unlimited, and there might actually be more experimental "freedom" more in the vein of what Tesla and Edison enjoyed, but the downside is that whatever is discovered and invented REMAINS classified - and any decision to de-classify it is completely OUTSIDE the domain of the inventor\s. If Tesla were alive today (and there are indeed living Tesla's out there), he'd be an unknown knave in a black project - and probably wouldn't have a lot of "choice" in the matter.

It's interesting that the ONLY living physicist that the average person can even name, is a guy who can't even scratch himself. Ironic.

Thank you for not calling me that "other" name.

Yeah, I'll elaborate. You accept the puerile bullshit spewed by Nancy LIEDer as 'credible'. You see everything in simplistic terms, you think every scientist in the world is as broken and defeatist as your (imaginary?) friend on the train.

To be able to be 'on the fence' when it comes to ZetaTalk shows that you are completely unable to grasp the most basic science. Therefore you MUST be dumb (or a Nancy sock-puppet).

Please explain how a Neptune-sized planet sits next to the sun for 6 years without becoming very well-known? How does Planet X ignore gravity? Nothing else ever observed in the universe does.

All these examples (and many others) prove you to be a vacuous apologist and mouthpiece for Nancy's pathetic cult of stupidity.

We're still waiting for you to elaborate on that palm frond you claim was found in Alaska. Two or three pages back you asked what evidence "debunkers" wanted. We all pretty much said anything that was verifiable. So, where is it?

>> Please explain how a Neptune-sized planet sits next to the sun for 6 years without becoming very well-known?

The same way the inventor of AC electicity that everyone uses everyday remains completely unknown by the vast majority. It's called a "cover-up". Now I'm not saying that PX actually is next to the sun - I've offered many times over that I think it may be another "white lie". The operative word is **MAY**. In other words, I remain UNDECIDED - **WHY** should I **HAVE** to draw any conclusion at this time?? Everybody wants everything to be "finished", to be "over", to be "final", to be "done".

****WHY****????????

Zetatalk is 90% **NOT** Planet X - but rather political and spiritual analysis. Did you ever consider that Planet X is nothing more than a discussion CATALYST???, and that the IMPORTANT contribution that Zetatalk makes is the STO-STS material?? Which most people would not bother to read without thier self-preservation instincts being stroked with a good "DOOM" antagonist???

Human beings by and large are fickel, short-sighted, sensation-craving inconsistent herd followers often needing the equivalent of a 2X4 up the side of their head to get their attention.

Planet X may be "only" such a 2X4.

But I don't know - which is why I just keep "watching".

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There's no cover up of who invented AC electricity. Anyone with any kind of interest can simply look it up. Beyond that, your explanation is circular logic. If this so called "rogue planet" were really sitting by the sun for six years, there would be solid physical evidence of it. Nancy claims she is being protected from the big, bad, evil government. So, why doesn't she have a good quality photo of "Planet X?" If you want to claim that it's because anyone with a quality photo is being pressured not to speak, why hasn't Nancy's very own imaging team gotten a photo for her? Why hasn't Nancy taken it upon herself to get a quality photo?


Just more excuses.


Which is nothing but a lie...no matter how you want to word it.


Why do you go to such extreme measures to support ZetaTalk? Why do you so easily dismiss all evidence showing how and why Nancy is wrong? Why do you call people paid agents simply because they can prove Nancy wrong?

****WHY****??????


I'm sure Nancy would disagree with you on that.

Yeah, we've heard that before...with nothing ever being presented. This is nothing but a stall tactic. You're hoping by continually changing the subject that we'll forget about this.

And there's the RUB! No one has any "interest" because that "interest" is never created or stimulated. Tesla does not appear in American textbooks outside of hardcore electrical engineering curriculums. His name was never mentioned in the 21 years worth of schooling I recieved.

Yet we all know about Edison, Henry Ford and Einstein. Why is that???



Perhaps. I might even say "probably". But I'm not "hung up" on that. It's not as important as the STO-STS information - which is the best most insightful presentation of the concept I've encountered ANYWHERE.

You SORT the wheat from the chaff. You don't burn the crop because of a few weeds.

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That is not an explanation, it's an obfuscation. If there is no rational explanation for Nancy's 'physics' then her Planet X is impossible, which would explain why nobody can see it.



You are a relative newcomer. ZetaTalk is 90% ABOUT Planet X. If Planet X is made-up, and the Zetas are made-up then the whole of ZetaTalk is nothing but a front for Nancy to peddle her skewed political opinions, and she is DECEIVING people about what she purports to be an important issue, suggesting people change their lives (at least she used to) in order to prepare. If this is all bullshit and deception (which I think it is) then it SHOULD be countered.




Nancy is definitely a sensation-seeking egotistic narcissist. You are the classic 'herd follower'.

It's just typical new-age woo-woo bullshit. You might as well just say , there are nice people and horrible people!

Another example of your simplistic, childish view of life.

It's odd how you share such a peculiarly infantile view with Nancy.....

Really now - and everyone should just take YOUR word for it? Heck, no one has even "attempted" to refute "any" of Wesson's 72 objections. And the fact that Wesson himself appears to have distanced himself from the topic is just as much evidence of his "GOING ALONG TO GET ALONG" as it is "abandonment of obsolete data" - especially since no one has attempted a point-by-point refutation.



You SHILL - the use of the word "encourage" does not IN ANY WAY connote "blanket endorsement".



There has been a general and gradual "awakening" to the fact that the history and science that today's adults were taught growing up, may not "entirely" represent the way things REALLY are - and WERE. There is more awareness of Tesla today than in the 60's, 70's and 80's - and popular culture reflects that growing awareness and renewed appreciation.

LOL - you come up with SyFy - so that Tesla becomes almost a "mythic" figure visible only in the realms of "science fiction" - along with his achievements.

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There'a always a few "renegade" teachers that compile thier own unique curriculum rather than slavishly use whatever the Department of Education provides and recommends. If what you say is "true" (and I have my DOUBTS), then you might have encountered one of them. They are definitely the EXCEPTION however.



And I can assure you that 90% of the students passing through there NEVER learn who the guy actually was. I went to schools called "Hoover", "Holmes" and "Stevenson" - and I can't recall even once, a single teacher explaining to the class, who any of these guys were, and why the school was named after them.

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Oh, for crying out loud!

It seems 'Max' (in 'no matter now much I seem to write like her I am NOT Nancy!' mode) thinks that a web site full of predictions and assertions about imaginary aliens and imaginary imminent disasters is a reasonable idea if it brings in a few suckers to read the 'illuminating' wisdom of Nancy Lieder's thoughts on politics and human nature!


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That reveals a lot about the quality of YOUR education.

Sounds like he lived in a school district with rather low standards.

If he can't remember being told who Herbert Hoover, Robert Lewis Stevenson, and Oliver Wendell Holmes while he was going to those schools, he must have been doing the same thing when science was being taught - sleeping through class.

Based on zetamin's postings and utter lack of logical thinking, I still believe that he was a rather pathetic lawyer.

I don't believe he ever was one. He shows no capacity for logical thought whatsoever. I would never let such an idiot represent me in court. He has no idea of the meaning of the word 'proof'.

Hearsay appears to be his main proof.

He has made numerous claims without a shred of proof. He expects everyone, like a certain old lady in Wisconsin, to believe everything he says.

Personally, I think he's a complete idiot on par with freestore and a few others.

I'm sure Hap can confirm this.

Hi Nancy. Your ZetaTalk chat thread seems to have sunk rather rapidly this week. Your popularity seems to be hitting an all-time low.

Hey Nancy, kill any more puppies lately?

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How did the 03 poles shift work out? Do you feel any remorse for those poor fools that followed your advice?

You are a pathetic narcissistic wannabe God. You disgust me

Jesus Christ Circuit Breaker, do you ever stop lying, besmirching, and misleading???

He said he's working on it, he doesn't do the bullshit things you elude he does. People like YOU are a waste of time to converse with, and you prove it every single day right here.

You have something very wrong with you! Max presented in this very thread and only one page back. Why do you have to lie so damn readily? Get a grip.

That clip is genuinely chilling. It should not be forgotten.
She doesn't care. She STILL doesn't care.

No, that's YOU, without any doubt.

Red herring argument. It just may be that people simply aren't that interested...even when it IS stimulated. As a licensed amateur radio operator, I try to interest other people in it...such as my wife for instance. But she simply has no interest.

Yes, your claims about what was found in Alaska is quite absurd. I predict you won't provide any evidence to support your earlier assertion. After all, you failed to do so the last time you brought it up so why should now be any different?

Uh, what has atmosphere dragging (assuming that were true) have to do with satellites? And anyone with a dish will tell you they DO require precise alignment......

I can confirm it for you - what Nancy claims isn't happening. Yes, satellites can broadcast over a wide range...but that depends on the type of transmitting antenna being used. If the Earth were wobbling unpredictably, satellite TV service would not work because the dishes used at the home to receive the signals have a very narrow beam width. They must be aimed very closely to where the satellite is located. Any deviation of a few inches will cause LOS. This simply isn't happening. If it were, DirectTV or Dish Network would be out at my complex constantly redirecting the dishes of my neighbors. In addition, GPS receivers...all of them, would fail to work correctly.